define god?

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    jomineposted 13 years ago

    1. god is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent being
    2. this being exist
    3. he has no beginning and there was nothing before him.
    4. he created everything

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    1. pennyofheaven profile image83
      pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      If you can define nothing, define infinite, define mystery, define the interconnectedness of both manifest and mystery then you will have a definition of God.

      Since no one can, it is a pointless exercise.

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      1. karengibsonroc profile image69
        karengibsonrocposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        NICE!! RESPONSE!!

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    2. All_is_well profile image60
      All_is_wellposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Lord Krishna explains God as the Ultimate conciousness which is every souls' destination therefore God is any soul that has balanced the individual conciousness to the ultimate conciousness.

      Lord krishna 5000 years ago described the soul as energy that it isn't born nor does it die, it is timeless, it is eternal and it is forever.

      Therefore, god is that energy in the Universe that has learned it's true conciousness and submitted into it.

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      1. pennyofheaven profile image83
        pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Does that mean not separate?

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    3. Dave Mathews profile image61
      Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with this statement totally.

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    4. Frank Menchise profile image55
      Frank Menchiseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hi jomine, I agree with most things you attribute to God, the only exception is that I do not believe that God created everything. You see I believe that God and everything else has always been there and the definition of my God is that God is pure life energy and the life force of the whole universe.
      Well that is what I believe in, check out my religious writings to see what I mean, if you can spare the time.

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  2. Pearldiver profile image67
    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    Do you realize that tihs-god was found from 159,000,000 years ago?  Amazing how some of the self righteous are so short sighted that they completely ignore the fact and reverse facts to suit a backwards approach to selling reality and just spam the forums of the word with it! roll

    My Reply..... "Foohw! Foohw!"

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      Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Pearldiver, your statement answers nothing. Where is your proof on what you say? Where is the proof that it is fact? Real or not real, it is only a BELIEF that God exists or a BELIEF that God does not exist. There is not enough evidence on either side to prove either one's case. There is no harm in what you choose to believe.

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        jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        also there is no explanation for god's existence nor what he is doing.

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          Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          The explanation for his existence and what he is doing is in the good book. It's all a matter of what you choose to believe.

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            jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            which book
            the following are a list of "good" books of various religion
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_ … _religions
            which one did you mean?

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      2. Pearldiver profile image67
        Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Really? hmm

        Define - tihs-god

        Or - Whoof Whoof!

        My statement is as Relevant as the OP.... It is of at least Equal Non-Sense.... Thank You Very Much! hmm

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          Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          So your argument is still based on a limitation of the mind, the incapability to imagine things beyond what scientists say is allowed to be imagined? I say, that there in itself is non-sense.

          Thank You Very Much!:\

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      3. Pcunix profile image85
        Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Not enough evidence?

        We have NO evidence at all of any gods. We have all the evidence in the world that none of the things claimed for gods can be true.

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          Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          You obviously don't research much if you can't find any evidence neutral

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    2. Dave Mathews profile image61
      Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      There is absolutely no proof dating God. We can date the earth as far back as we can find evidence. We can date species of animals such as dinosaurs etc. on earth. We can date mankind, as far back as evidenced through science, archeology and testing, but no one can set a date for God. God created all including time.

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    jomineposted 13 years ago

    is god omnipotent enough to change the future he omniscient-ed?
    if god is omnipresent what gives him shape for him to exist?(existence being the physical presence with location)
    matter is eternal so need of in creation.
    creator is impossible
    one another reason is the forum by picunix
    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/66856
    for which this is a continuation as so many people says so many different things about god.

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      Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Sooo you're basing your post off of what pc says that there has to be rules in order for a god to exist, simply because our tiny little minds can't comprehend the possibility of anything existing outside the scientific laws built by men who lived ages before us in an attempt to prove what their world was really shaped like and why things happened the way they did?

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      1. Mark Knowles profile image57
        Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Let me get this straight. My tiny little mind cannot comprehend, but yours can?

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          Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Did I say that I can? I don't think you read that quite right. I am stating that not one single person on earth can comprehend the idea of some thing possibly existing outside of these scientific laws created by people that lived ages before us. People that, according to a lot of previous arguments, were less intelligent than us today. People that did not have anything like the technology we have today. But yet we still live by these laws created by them, and why? Because they make sense, and they give us a little comfort zone so we can build off of their ideas and make our own. As far as we can go back without botched writing of history, there have been scientific rules defining how things can and can not be, because we can't work out little problems here and there to see past the limitations we have set for ourselves. It's like thinking outside of the box on a much larger scale, something we can't seem to figure out because it doesn't make sense. So while every one's out and about arguing who is right and who is wrong, we've got little working scientists in their buildings trying to break that wall to be able to prove or disprove the idea of a God existing. But that will never happen, and as I've stated already, because we can not understand how, and we never will. That is why this rather seemingly simple thing is defined by the word "faith." We can not force people to believe a god exists, we can not force people to believe a god does not exist. It's a matter of what we want in our life. No one can seem to accept even that concept and that just shows there how little our minds can really comprehend.

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          1. Mark Knowles profile image57
            Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Logic disproves the notion of a god - yet you claim to understand that there is something called god? Now you say you do not comprehend it, yet you are tying to explain it to me?

            You admit you have no comprehension and assume that I lack the comprehension skills also.

            Not believing in god is not the same as believing.

            I will explain as simply as possible -

            You believe in god despite there being no evidence and claim that it is something you do not comprehend - so - you believe in something you are incapable of understanding and then try and justify it and explain it to me.

            I do not believe in this incomprehensible thing you cannot understand or explain - or even define.

            Not the same at all. sad

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              Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              If it can't be explained, understood or defined at all why don't you tell me the reason for all the hundreds of thousands of explanations, evidence, interpretations and the one same definition for any form of a god? You still are not understanding what I'm getting at and for some one who seems so intelligent I find that rather disappointing that you keep twisting what I say into something you see fit. Hmm...sounds a lot like what you say religious people do to support their religions. Funny really. Waiting for your oh so witty reply back (:

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              1. Mark Knowles profile image57
                Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Dear me. You are the one saying it is incomprehensible. I understand exactly what you are getting at. As I said in the first place - you are defining it, explaining it and claiming to have a book it wrote - yet at the same time are saying it is incomprehensible.






                Which is it? Do you comprehend it? Or not?

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                  Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  No no no. See you are still trying to mix it up. Defining it, explaining it, and claiming to have a written book are not the same as the idea of the belief. The belief itself is what I want to understand more. We, as human beings, can not prove the existence or non existence because we can not think past what we consider to be logical. And my proof of that is in the arguments presented by you and various others in which you state it is not logical. Logic, as I have stated, is a limitation of the mind which is where the idea that the belief itself or non belief itself is incomprehensible.

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                  1. Mark Knowles profile image57
                    Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    What? Try saying that again please. Believing nonsense is not the same as not believing nonsense. You choose to believe nonsense - I do not.

                    You are the one making a claim - I am simply saying it is nonsense. Your argument then seems to be that I cannot comprehend something which you do.

                    There is no limitation to logic. It simply disproves your god. Nothing can exist outside of logic. sad

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          2. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
            Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            If you can't comprehend it so it must exist? Wow. What kind of backward nonsense thinking is that? Man created gods because they had no answers. God dun it is the easiest answer there is and completely meaningless.

            Science is not out to prove or disprove god. It can't be falsified so it is a meaningless question to science. People who build on science and explain the cosmology and origin through it are engaging in science philosophy.

            Nothing wrong with that, I do it myself. The point it, science philosophy is not science itself. But theists don't get that. Don't say science is out to prove or disprove a god. It isn't. People are and they are using science to do it.

            But there is also logic. Take your claim of omnipotence. Omnipotence is impossible. There is always a limitation to it. That fact is illustrated in the  question: can a god build a rock so heavy it can't lift it? Either way, whether it can or cannot, it loses its illusion of omnipotence. There is always a limit.

            But the worst part is that though theists admit there is no proof of a god, they try to sell it as if it is a fact. That's lying. Don't speculate and try to sell it as fact. You cannot know that a god exists. So until you prove it, it is not much better than the idea of bigfoot. The probability is that it is total fantasy.

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            1. qwark profile image59
              qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Slarty:
              ....couldn't have expressed it better myself!
              2 thumbs up!  smile:
              Qwark

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              Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              And back to the logic, being a limit of the mind created also by man. It's not logical for something to co-exist with something of equal or greater power, in example "Unstoppable force meets immovable object." It's illogical for such a thing to exist because the two just would not work together. By logic, we can not fly, because we weren't born with wings or the body frame to do so. By logic we can not go to space because we can not survive without oxygen. By logic we can not have light or power with out a running water source or a fire. By logic we are completely limited to ground movement, the occasional jump, hop or skip, riding horses and doing nothing but harvesting the land to live. It's not that I'm trying to make the existence of a god a fact. I'm not trying to prove anything other than the one fact that logic is a limitation of the mind making things we can't fully comprehend impossible. By your final argument that you cannot know that a god exists because there is no proof, falls back to similar arguments as "Love does not exist because you can not see it or hold it." Though it is rare to find a person that does not believe love exists, and when you do, there is generally some emotional damage done to that person that made them lose that belief. But by that standard that would mean the same general concept for atheists, which would then be considered illogical because the two don't compare. Logic limits the mind and the full capabilities of humans. But it seems to be a common trend we all follow, whether we want to admit it or not. By that standard, this whole world is nothing but a total fantasy.

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              1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
                Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                You are not very logical are you? But you don't want to be. Logic sets you free to think and get actual answers. We can fly because we thought it through rationally and discovered how to. We still can't do it without aid though. That will never happen.

                If you don't think rationality and logic are worth anything why are you arguing? How are you arguing? Argument requires rational and logical thought to be meaningful. What is it you are doing exactly? 

                And you are about 100 years behind in your perception of atheists. W don't go around saying  seeing is believing anymore. Materialism has evolved greatly over the past hundred years. I can show energy exists but I can't see it. I can prove wind exists but can't see it.

                You will have to try another argument.

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                1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
                  Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  As for love. It is easy to explain.. It is a person empathizing with another. It is in essence a person trying to make another part of themselves. I did a hub on this called: There is no such thing as a selfless act.

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                  Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  My arguments are not siding with the limitations of logic. Logic greatly limits the possibilities we have of life. We never would have attained the ability to fly if it weren't for the "crazy, irrational and illogical thoughts" of a couple people who thought "Why can't we fly?" Back in their days that thought was considered illogical. Of course now with technological advances it is very logical that we can fly. My perception of atheists? My perception of atheists are a group of people who do not believe a god exists. That is all. That was just an example of the argument you brought, and what some people like to call a "counter argument." A lot of these things that people just HAVE to prove through the limitations of logic are all opinion based. We will never be able to prove either or and that is the foundation of the simple word I have mentioned already called Faith.

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                  1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
                    Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    Had those crazy guys not used logic they would have failed like so many before. But before that some crazy guy invented air balloons so we could already fly by then. It was never illogical to want to fly. Only illogical to try it by flapping our arms.

                    Again, a strange argument.

                    Faith is the belief that a speculative idea with no evidence to back it up is fact. To me that is lunacy. But you are correct. Faith is not rational, let alone logical. Perhaps Wilber and Orville should just have had faith and flapped their arms as hard as they could regardless of the fact it didn't help the first hundred time they tried it?

                    You are trying to tell me logic and rationality are meaningless and at the same time trying to persuade me your argument is rational. How contradictory can you get?

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        jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        it is a continuation along with something that was not discussed by PC.
        what is there too difficult to comprehend?
        we have not heard or seen god, in fact no normal human beings ever did.
        there is no rational explanation for god.
        all we have is some imaginary beings written in some books of doubtful authorship along with some magic tricks that is described in that books which nobody else except those who follow it agree.

        we see magic tricks by magicians and wonder at there prowess. we wonder how such things are done. we never inquire too deeply into it as we are lazy and also the knowledge destroys the fun of magic. but nobody WORSHIP a magician because he is human. but when some natural phenomenon is seen, seemingly unexplainable, we immediately ascribe it to some imaginary being in skies and then worship the being of our imagination instead of rationally inquiring the details.
        that is why there are gods which NO HUMAN has rationally explain but still being believed by multitudes with out questioning.

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          Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          As I have continuously pointed out that neither of you can seem to understand yet again, no one being can comprehend the idea of some possible being living out side of the laws of limitations which we have created for ourselves. Believing is not saying you understand it. It's simply saying you believe a god exists. Not saying you know why or how. It's the same as the big bang theory. There is no proof of its existence yet people make these bogus claims, the same that people do with their religions. The thing is, if the big bang is true, that also means something had to exist outside of these laws of limitations we have created for ourselves in order for it to happen. You can not sit here and say that there was nothing and then suddenly a big explosion randomly happened in this big empty nothingness and created the universe and all life as we know it. There is nothing to back it up, other than scientific theories and beliefs. Scientific beliefs are becoming a religion in its own, where the big bang is the god like creature and evolution is the continuous living of this god like creature. Nothing in any of our billions of theories made can be explained with logic. Logic is a limitation of our minds created by people before us. Logic is an invalid argument.

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            jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            you have nothing to back up your claims except rhetoric. that is not how thing works.
            while the we can rationally and logically explain "stuff" with out any preconceived "magic" tricks.

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    ryankettposted 13 years ago

    If there is a god, he would probably dispair that the people he somehow created where wasting the lives worshipping him instead of enjoying their short lives and believing that he built something else called "heaven". If there is a god, then I suspect that he would see those who couldn't care less about his existance as those who are doing things the right way, if he really wants us all to get down on our hands and knees and worship him then he is an egotistical and narcissistic individual who can get f*cked. I don't worship anybody or anything upon request. And to end my rant, if there is a devil who was banished to the middle of the earth then the likelyhood is that whoever or whatever banished him did so with the intention that he plays no part in society. Clearly the devil, if he exists, still does play a large role in our society.

    If god wants to be worshipped then he just needed to create a couple of dogs and feed them treats once and a while - works for me, I'm not going to be his dog. All hypothetical of course, I'm not insane enough to believe that he exists. I believe that jesus existed, and I'm sure he was a nice enough bloke, but he died a long time ago and there are plenty of other nice blokes on this planet of 6 million that I can befriend, speak highly of, and go to the pub with to drink wine with. I just hope that people in 2011 years time don't take Harry Potter too literally, else people will be worshipping him instead.

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    anonamanposted 13 years ago

    'God' is simply a catch-all word used by people with enormously disparate beliefs to describe their own imaginary friend/s. 'God' differs from 'religion' in the sense that while imaginary friends can do no harm, the omnipotent attributes ascribed by 'believers' to their respective imaginary friends in the name of 'religion' have been proven over millenia to be the root cause of countless acts of violence that continue today, but which would not be tolerated for an instant by a real and benificent god. None has yet emerged, proving by this very absence, that no such being exists. As the saying goes, 'God save us from those who claim to act in his name'.

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    just_curiousposted 13 years ago

    Hi Jomine. I don't think, at this point, it is possible to define God. We don't have the knowledge or understanding. We are all moving forward. Maybe once we understand the true nature of the universe we'll have a better idea, since that is apparently one of the routes he expects us to use to answer the question.

    For now, the best we can do is look inside ourselves to find the piece that connects us to Him and trust that piece is the one He thinks we need as individuals.

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      jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      if we know about nothing, whom are we worshiping?

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        just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        We worship our understanding of the nature of the Divine. No one knows it all, in my opinion. The way you worship is a reflection of what you see beyond this world.

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      2. pennyofheaven profile image83
        pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Many people worship many things they know nothing about but it invokes feelings in them so they continue to worship. Like money, sex, spouse, children, friends, food, job, movies, music. Anything that brings happiness or joy they worship. The list goes on and on. Each are worshiping to a greater or lesser degree a part of what makes the whole. Worshiping God is not worshiping the parts only  but the whole depending on their level of understanding. We each have our own perceptions of the whole and they are as infinite as the infiniteness of God.

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          just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Very true.

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        2. Beelzedad profile image58
          Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Rubbish, you can't honestly sit there comparing the religious worship of gods to real world scenarios when it's clear that the examples you choose are not myths and superstitions upon which mobs of people burn others at the stake or fly airplanes into skyscrapers for not sharing that gods worship. smile

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            just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Why does this post not surprise me? Every one of her examples could drive someone to fanatical behavior, too. Has it crossed your mind that some people are simply crazy. Anything wil set them off.

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          2. pennyofheaven profile image83
            pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Why not? Real world scenario's is worshiping what some do not know. You are still insisting God is something magical and imaginary. When real world and everything in it are expressions of God. How people express themselves is unique and subject to ones perception. Imaginary or real it is still part of what is.

            Humanity has much to answer for in their unawareness for sure. This awareness evolves just as anything biological evolves.

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            1. Beelzedad profile image58
              Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              That is because no believer is able to distinguish their gods from magic and imagination, hence their gods are not part of the real world, so you can't honestly make comparisons.



              That is just a belief, there is no evidence that gods have anything to do with the real world.



              So, are you saying that you're aware of things that mankind is not aware? smile

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  7. qwark profile image59
    qwarkposted 13 years ago

    This is why I have Jomine on my "no response" list.

    qwark  sad:

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      jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      you still respond!!
      smile

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  8. Pearldiver profile image67
    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    Nah..... I won't cast them, I'll save my pearls for silk purses smile

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  9. Eaglekiwi profile image74
    Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago

    To define God with human minds is quite a contradiction,however His word defines Him well...if you believe smile

    If you dont believe in a god ,except maybe in ones self,then a person cannot define God.

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    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
      Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Wrong. I can prove it exists, and I'm an atheist.. You have to prove your version of it is the real one.

      1: Existence is a fact. (anyone not agree with that?)

      2: Were there ever a time that existence in some capacity was not a fact, nothing could or would now exit.

      3: Therefore, existence in some form has always been a fact.

      4: What ever has always existed, by default, must be creative. Were it not creative, we would not exist.

      5: A creative process or god as defined as that which produced us, is then a fact.

      Now your job is to prove it is a conscious being, and not just nature. I have science and logic to back me up when I say it is nature. No god's required. What do you have to put on the table?

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      1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
        Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        No,Science ,in fact everything belongs to God.

        Now if you want to disprove God ,find your own dirt and your own tools lol

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        1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
          Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Right. I didn't think you could add anything. Telling us you know for a fact your version of god exists is a lie. You can't know that.

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          1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
            Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            And you proved without using anythig God created. anything!!! including ALL scientific theories, creation (nature) you have nothing to back your theories up!

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    2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
      Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Eaglekiwi, Agreed. God's word defines him.

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      1. Mark Knowles profile image57
        Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        lol

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      2. Pcunix profile image85
        Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Then he is a pretty mixed up thing, because his 'words" contradict themselves.

        He is obviously a cruel and petty sort, of low intelligence. That's what his words say about him.

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        1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
          Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Pcunix, Your opinion is false and twisted. God is loving, and just. God is immortal and infinite. God is Omnipotent, he is all powerful and Sovereign, meaning he is Supreme. God is holy and gracious. Love and Blessings to you.

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          1. getitrite profile image73
            getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this



            Ok, then could you please explain why a loving God was justified with the carnage displayed in this verse:

                                             Rivers of Blood

                I will leave your flesh on the mountains, and fill the valleys with your carcass.  I will water the land with what flows from you, and the river beds shall be filled with your blood.  When I snuff you out I will cover the heavens, and all the stars will darken;   (Ezekiel 32:5-7 NAB)

            Have a blessed day. neutral

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            1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
              Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              AWW....um...is annoying when non-believers pick out a text to suit their agenda.

              For example why didn't you quote from say ,Song Of Solomon?

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              1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
                Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Eaglekiwi, You made a great point.

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                Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Not to mention they always take little clips of the "bad" parts rather than take the whole and see what it really is. Lovely method! (:

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                1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
                  Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Travis, Exactly. smile

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              3. getitrite profile image73
                getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                So by quoting from Songs of Solomon, does the horrible psychopathic verses somehow become nullified?

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                1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
                  Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  They hate it when they hear the nasty bits so they get mad at you and tell you to quote only nice ones. lol... Oh yes, and "kill every man woman and child" can so easily be taken out of context. We're the bad annoying ones. Holy shit. It amazes me.

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                  1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
                    Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    No ,but if you want to be truly objective ,then I dont think its appropriate to be selective smile with regard to reference.

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                2. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
                  Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Notice not one of them has addressed the issue you raised. Telling. Very telling. wink

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                    Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    Maybe because some people aren't sitting here all day long? I simply say instead of taking only that little bit take the whole verse and read it as a whole rather than cutting out that one bit. Taking apart a book to eliminate the parts you don't want leaves very little to say what is fully going on.

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                  2. pennyofheaven profile image83
                    pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    You mean the verse? I did.

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                  3. Eaglekiwi profile image74
                    Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                    One of 'them' or one of 'you'  lol

                    Aww..Isnt it odd that we are all made up of flesh and blood,yet the only thing that separates us is 'What we believe in',which is exactly how the law of sin works, interesting.

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            2. pennyofheaven profile image83
              pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Mother nature in her wrath.

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      3. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
        Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Since he has never said or written a word a guess it does define him. lol....

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        1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
          Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I believe He has smile

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      4. Eaglekiwi profile image74
        Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Grabs W.O.C by the hand and twirls around the room singing soflty so as to be sensitive to all the serious ,solemn and killjoys out there smile

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        1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
          Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I believe God has also, and he is worthy of all the praise and glory. big_smile

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          1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
            Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Amen....sound of a hundred trumpets....Amen smile

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          2. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
            Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Belief is worthless. Do you also believe the world is flat? If not, I wonder why not. Your bible tells you it is.... Amen. lol... .

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          3. profile image0
            jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I believe God has also, and he is worthy of all the praise and glory.

            with the simple problem that you don't know who this god fellow is and all you can say is it is written in a book called bible whose authors are unknown, which is edited by so many people, so many times, which is interpreted literally and allegorically that nobody knows what it really means.

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            1. profile image0
              just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Hi jomine. If you are looking to the Bible for answers  I think it is helpful to simply read the Bible without letting preconceived notions gathered from religious teaching get in your way, as much as possible. Skip the prophets. Read the first five books, then the history of Israel. Then the Gospels.

              Once you've ingested that, read the rest of the New Treatment. Skip Revelations.

              The prophesies are the most misunderstood and cause the most confusion  for me. I see little value in trying to foretell the future. On either plane.

              The Bible is unique, in that it speaks to everyone individually, if you just let it do it.

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  10. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
    Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years ago

    I think the word god can be most generically defined as what ever produced this universe and everything in it. However, pagans and polytheists see gods as just being immortal beings sharing this world on a different plain of existence. Most of them have nothing to do with a creation.

    But they do all have at least one top go who often is responsible for at least the universe, and others responsible for creating humans.

    So if god is that which produced us, then there is a god as we have not always existed.

    But, there is nothing in logic that says a god has to be conscious or self aware. Therefore that which produced all this may be a process. The process of existence. In other words, nature itself.

    No gods required.

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    1. pennyofheaven profile image83
      pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      A process works for me.

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      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
        Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        It's the only game in town that sounds rational to me.

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  11. paradigmsearch profile image61
    paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

    "define god?"
    .
    .
    That guy in the dirty lab coat that is getting ready to pull the plug…

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  12. Cagsil profile image70
    Cagsilposted 13 years ago

    Define god?- Simple- the "word" "god" is a metaphor. A metaphor is used within language as something to describe something else.

    There happens to be much confusion as to what the metaphor actually describes. hmm

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  13. Lippylisious profile image60
    Lippylisiousposted 13 years ago

    We are all just figments of our own imagination. Nothing is real.

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    1. Cagsil profile image70
      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      roll

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    2. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
      Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      So say the Hindus. We are all just god's dream.... So the question is, why is this god having such nightmares?

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    3. nber profile image58
      nberposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      yeap i agree with this statement! sometimes everything seems like a dream and there is always more questions then answers....and that is what constantly is pushing the limits.

      but i dont think God is having nightmares. There is SO much beauty around! i dont know to tell much about Bible but i remember saying "if then the light in you is darkness, how great your darkness will be!"

      I definitely cant define God but it puzzles me how we all talk  about God as "him" . if it is just some "super ultimate Omnipotent conciseness" how come it has gender?

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      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
        Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Well I was thinking wars, cancer, disease, suffering, cruelty. He's dreaming all that too right? Not just our rather nice lives. I admit if he was only dreaming of me he wouldn't be doing bad.

        About why give it gender? You might as well ask the French why every inanimate object has a gender according to them. We're sex crazy, I suppose.

        But probably it has to do with ancient man being macho. A female god doesn't seem powerful enough. Besides which, back then men owned everything including their wives and children. If a god owned them it would have to be male.

        And if man was made in the likeness of god it is obvious god must be a man. Otherwise we would all be woman. Right? no?...

        However there were matriarchal societies where woman was top dog and the goddess was god.

        I'll tell you..... I've been married 30 years and I still worship at the alter of the goddess as often as possible.

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  14. profile image0
    jomineposted 13 years ago

    in short no theist comprehend nor understand god,not even know what god is...
    still they worship a god and continue to say there is god...
    and try to prove the existence of something they do not know about.......
    wonderful
    roll

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    1. nber profile image58
      nberposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      well mate when i sit on the beach, feel the sand under my feet, plunge in a water, put my goggles and  dive -i just could feel awe for the beauty around me!

      what other evidence you need that there is some creator/s to all of his. how would you explain all the colours,smells, tastes, shapes,sounds,textures ,,,around us. you dont have to be theist to appreciate unmistakable  miracle of life

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      1. profile image0
        jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        if you go to the remotest parts of Africa or Asia you will find death, ugliness and like
        does that prove the existence of god?
        have you heard the saying "beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder". if we are not here to appreciate the beauty there is no beauty only different forms of matter in its eternal glory!!

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  15. Pearldiver profile image67
    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    Bugger that Slushy Stuff EK

    What a total waste of good holy socks on a cold day.. fighting for soles to darn on a thread like this one roll  Though I see you've picked up a couple of Grinders (from this thread) for your America's Cup Short Organ Donor Hub big_smile

    Say Hi on this thread:

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/67191


    I'm Not Hijacking... just planting a traffic light on This Desolate Island smile

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    1. profile image0
      jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      if you have nothing to say then don't say it

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      1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
        Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Oh he said plenty,just it was in a foreign language-Kiwinese

        Kia kaha kia manawa smile shhhh...no more secrets or day all wanna do it P.D Kiwi

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  16. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    "What's there to do in heaven?" Exactly what I have always wondered.

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    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
      Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Not much with all the rules. lol... It'll be worse than communism. McCarthy is probably up there now holding hearings.

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  17. SpanStar profile image60
    SpanStarposted 13 years ago

    Certainly I can't see how any human can define God- People don't hardly anything about God- the bible I'm certain of tells only a fraction of life.

    If we are to believe God created all life then we barely understand the a brain how can someone who designed and created a brain even for the simpliest creature like a Nat, who can define such a being?

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    1. profile image0
      jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      who created brain?

      it evolved through millions of years- no need of a creator there
      if you insist everything need a creator who created the creator?

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      1. SpanStar profile image60
        SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Jomine,

           The topic is define God maybe you missed that?

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        1. Mark Knowles profile image57
          Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          U sed you cannot then rambled on demonstrating that you do not understand how brains evolved and were not created. Maybe you missed that?

          What is there to add - you say you are incapable of defining this god thing. The End. Why are you still here? sad

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          1. profile image0
            just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            One could very easily ask you the same question. Although we know what your answer would be.

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          2. SpanStar profile image60
            SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Thing about evolving perhaps you experts can explain why the brain was created the way they are now-WHY WERE THEY CREATED THIS WAY? WHY THIS WAY?

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            1. profile image0
              just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              I think you make an excellent point.

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            2. Mark Knowles profile image57
              Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              They were not created. It evolved through a process which can best be described as "trial and error."  They were not CREATED.

              sad

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            3. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
              Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              What do you mean, this way? What way? We have triune brain. Center we have a reptile brain. On top of that and wrapped around it we have the old mammal brain like dogs and cats  have. On top of that we have a new mammal brain that we and the primates share.

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  18. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    "who can define such a being?" I can. If it gets me through the day.

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  19. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    "WHY THIS WAY?" Maybe it has to correspond to planetary conditions.

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    1. SpanStar profile image60
      SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Knolyourself,
          planetary conditions isn't saying anything to design of the brain or how and why if functions the way it does?  Nor does it explain why the ability for one brain to be more advance then another brain.

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      1. getitrite profile image73
        getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        So, then, who designed the creator's brain?  Why this way?

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        1. SpanStar profile image60
          SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Getitrite,

                How do you know the creator even has a brain?  We can't even see angels but we understand what God must look like and he has look the creatures he created????

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          1. getitrite profile image73
            getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            ...but those creatures have brains, so, then, being in the creator's image...the creator must have a brain as well. Huh?

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            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
              Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              and a penis. wink

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  20. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    The question was why this way, not how this way.

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    1. SpanStar profile image60
      SpanStarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      How and why go hand in hand.

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  21. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    Science is how. Religion is why.

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  22. SpanStar profile image60
    SpanStarposted 13 years ago

    does someone make a can opener and not tell anyone why and how to use it?

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  23. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    "forever and ever and ever?" Would only memory make forever possible?

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  24. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    The perfection of bureaucracy.

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  25. Holiday Hannah profile image61
    Holiday Hannahposted 13 years ago

    I believe that God is a supreme being and that we should strive toward the ideals of showing kindness and compassion to others, working hard but also resting, and basically trying to make responsible choices as much as possible. Since all of us fall short of the ideals, forgiveness is necessary.

    However, having been raised in the Roman Catholic faith and marrying a born-again Christian nearly 40 years ago, I will say that both of us believe that formal religion has been the root of many problems throughout history. We dropped out of our respective churches 40 years ago when both refused to marry us unless one converted to the other religion (as if there were two separate gods). We've never looked back and never regretted our decision --- and I feel just as close to God today as when I attended mass.

    For those who have memorized the bible, doesn't God state that we should go someplace private to pray to him?

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    1. Beelzedad profile image58
      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting, although I can't help to see a contradiction there in that you left your churches because they wouldn't marry you and yet you feel closer to your god. Wouldn't leaving the churches in the first place be and action of defying your god and his word? smile

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      1. Holiday Hannah profile image61
        Holiday Hannahposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        No, because no church should decide who is a believer and who is not. That is something intimate between the individual and God.

        I read the bible and subscribe to online catholic blogs written by other women. However, I do not see a difference in whether people call themselves Roman Catholic, Methodist, Southern Baptist or any other Christian name. All worship the same god and accept the same savior. The churches hurt all Christians by condemning each other.

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        1. Beelzedad profile image58
          Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          But, to go against your church is to go against your god, it is one and the same, is it not? How is possible for you to have even gained any of your beliefs without the church?



          Online blogs have nothing to do with gods word and the church.



          Yet, they do call themselves by different names because there is disagreement in the beliefs. That's the point entirely.



          Isn't that blasphemy? smile

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          1. Holiday Hannah profile image61
            Holiday Hannahposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Actually, there is no place in the bible (that I am aware of) that mandates the people to attend church. God (and the angels) spoke to people as individuals throughout the Old Testament.

            Even when the woman touched the hem of Jesus' robe and was cured, Jesus told her to go home and pray. We are told to pray privately rather than put on a pious display.

            Don't get me wrong. I thoroughly enjoyed attending mass and participating in church life. But, ultimately, it is for us to follow God's plan for our lives. And I sincerely believe that his plan was for my husband and I to be married and grow old together (which we have). He has blessed us throughout our marriage even though we live modestly.

            My problem with both the born-again and the catholic churches is that each one told us that people of the other faith were not Christian. That got me angry because they were playing God by deciding who was going to Heaven and who was not. If you accept Jesus as your savior, then you are Christian regardless of a man-made church label of Catholic or Protestant. That was why we dropped out of church life.

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            1. Beelzedad profile image58
              Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Fair enough.



              Funny how that is considering the number of churches existing.



              Do you think that would have more to do with the social aspect of religions as opposed to the theological?



              I suppose that would say a lot about what people will do regardless, because they want to follow their own moral principles rather than what the church prescribes.

              I applaud the both of your for doing so.



              It is interesting to note that non-believers experience the exact same actions by those who are righteous in their beliefs, and then wonder why people get angry at them. I would say that is a very important event for you and your husband in regards to questioning the faith.



              Although I may not share your beliefs, I certainly do applaud you and your husband for the choices you made and hope you both lead long and happy lives together.  smile

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          2. Eaglekiwi profile image74
            Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            No not all.

            Jesus challenged many churches ,and still does smile

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  26. profile image0
    Lady_Eposted 13 years ago

    Capital "G"...

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    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
      Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Why? It's not a proper name. The word god is not the name of a god.

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      1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
        Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Jehovah with a capital J smile

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        1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
          Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Isn't that a title rather than a proper name? At least Jesus is a proper name, man, god or made up story. Doesn't matter.  It's Yahweh, with a capital Y if you are Jewish, or are partial  to the bible.  wink

          But even that can't be his real name. In the old stories it told that Lilith said the real name of god and was instantly turned in to a wind demon. His real name is somewhat of a secret.  If you happen to know it I wouldn't recommend saying it too loud. You don't want to find yourself at the edge of the Red Sea having 100 demon babies every day.  It sounds like hard work.

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          1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
            Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Oh my, is the sky blue ? smile

            I bet you cant walk into a supermarket ,buy 5 items and walk back out in under 10mins either..lol

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            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
              Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

              Was that a change of subject? wink I bet I can.

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              1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
                Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                No ,it definately was not a change of subject ,more a noticable volume of thoughts on someones name, ie god v God, proper names v improper name.
                Jevhovah name v title (they can be and are the same thing in this instance)

                Didnt understand the rest that followed. Demons.or something?

                Guess Im amazed you could respond with all those thoughts over whether God should be god or God etc etc.

                And I bet you couldnt complete the supermarket challenge (IMO)

                wanna know why?

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                1. Slarty O'Brian profile image83
                  Slarty O'Brianposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Sure. Tell me why.

                  I did get the fact that your statement meant I didn't seem to be able to be brief.
                  But when it comes to shopping, unlike sex and philosophy, I'm in and out as fast as possible. wink

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  27. Mike's Corner profile image67
    Mike's Cornerposted 13 years ago

    Gos is like art - whatever you need him to be.

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