Is God a nothing?
Couldn't it be said that God is "no thing" -- not a physical construct or created object? If one posits a source of the universe (and logically existence of anything seems to demand a source) then this "nothing" could be the source of every "thing." In a similar vein, the "place" from which the Big Bang was constructed was likely "no place," for space did not exist "beforehand." And the moment before the Big Bang was likely "no time," because the persistence of the space-time continuum required a source, too. So, the direction of that "no thing" would be perpendicular to all we know. Thoughts?
A critical question.I would say that the God is a source of energy that is everywhere.
I agree with Rooskaya that God is the source of energy because for matter to move and an explosion to occur energy would have had to have caused it.
A more likely answer would be that we humans have once again screwed up and misinterpreted our observations and because of these fantasy ghosts we think are real we end up chasing our tails and jousting with imaginary energy-creating windmills.
God is the answer only for those who cannot think of a more reasonable answer.
I am Alpha and Omega. That includes everything visible and invisible and also nothing. I am the first and the last. The beginning and the end.
How can god be something if there is nothing? All matter is comprised of light particles at particular frequencies that give shape to the hallowness of existence. Does someone named the Alpha and Omega truly exist as an object or a field of energy?
Wonderful, @Ambassador Butler.
And yet, every "thing" that has been created can be uncreated. Could that be what is meant by "Alpha and Omega?"
God is not a created object nor is He restrained in a physical body. God is Spirit. Everything in creation was made by intelligent design...God's intelligent design. Only God can create something out of nothing! Take anything in creation (for example: a spider) and research it thoroughly. Ever try to spin a web? Ever wonder how a spider can and you can't? Every creature has a unique way of living. How about king salmon? It's my understanding that a salmon will travel two thousand miles to return to it's place of origin to spawn. How does it know to do that? Who told it to? It's been programmed by the Creator...God. So it goes with everything else in creation.
Where did we come from? Nothing? Think about a seed. The flower, the tree, the fruit, all come from something--something more powerful than the thing itself. A flower cant produce a flower, but a seed will. The flower produces more seed, but the seed is the "macro" the thing that is super small but holds something much bigger than itself--that's power. So like, we come from a seed but just like the flower, cant produce another flower, we cant produce another person (grown-up like ourselves). Furthermore, we had to come from something kind of like what we are, dont you think? We certainly cant come from nothing because we are something. Does a flower appear out of thin air? God is definitely something, in fact, He must be a someone in order for "us" to be here.
It makes more sense that instead of "no thing" that God is "every thing". Nothing cannot become a thing, but every thing can become anything!
Thanks for your thoughtful answer, @1morning.
If a "thing" can be defined as something physical (including space and time), then God would be made of these?
Is a sculptor ever their statue?
And what is a "creator?"
Why does the lord need to be physical to know when he is and is not there? I believe in nothing, because the only truth of the lord are his thoughts that fill the voids of existence, and all of creation is nothing but fields of light interacting.
Narrating something from a book i read long before (so no links!!!)
Once a group of people who beloved in "God is nothing" challenged a scholar believing in "God is everything" to prove to them his theory. He told them he'll visit them at a specific time.
The man reached 2 hours late while the group was waiting for him. Upon asking, he explained the reason for getting late:
"My boat was somehow burnt, so i was helpless. All of a sudden, i saw 3-4 trees got cut into pieces, then they were joined by themselves to make a boat. I sat in the boat, and it sailed to the shore."
The group cried:
"You are a liar. How can trees be cut themselves and a boat made itself without anyone creating it"
The man replied:
"So how can the whole universe with billions of objects be made by themselves without a creator, if a single boat can't be made by itself?"
And then there was complete silence.
The cockroach has monoocular vision - it cannot see color nor 3D in everything it views. Therefore it has no physical scholarship to view the world in color. Similarly it is the physical limitation of our senses that we can percieve God through deeds but have no scholarship to actually see his form because He belongs to a different dimension.
You asked "Couldn't it be said that God is "no thing" -- not a physical construct or created object?"
It is very possible that God is not a physical object. The thoughts in your head are not physical at all. And they exist very concretely. God may very well be of this existential nature. (Descartes.)
It is possible, as you said, that God is not a "created object?"
Certainly. We simply do not have enough information to reason accurately about this. Perhaps God has existed forever.
Rational philosophers argue that certain ideas - mathematical forms, shapes, concepts, and such - may have ALWAYS existed. They are not dependent on the physical world for their existence. They are mere abstractions. Ideas.
We can DISCOVER them, by reasoning our way to them. But just because we haven't discovered them doesn't mean they don't exist.
The concept of a square, for example, certainly isn't non-existent just because we're not thinking about it. Concepts, abstractions, ideas - it is arguable these things are eternal, everlasting - indestructible in the physical sense. They cannot be physically destroyed. They cannot be made NON-EXISTENT. Even if no one is around to think of them, such things would rationally still exist anyway - as non-material concepts. They did not need to be created. They certainly cannot be destroyed. It is possible God Himself is of this same nature, too.
Some people wonder if the universe could have come from "no thing." But rationally speaking, this is impossible. Even as a concept, this is LOGICALLY impossible. Something cannot be produced from nothing. This is a pure logical contradiction.
"No thing" is the logical opposite of "SOME thing." There is no possible logic by which it can be shown that something can emerge from nothing. It is absolutely, rationally, logically impossible. And if it is logically impossible, than it cannot exist.
However, if God is of the nature of an idea or concept - like the Form of a square, which simply exists independently of the physical world - it is possible that the universe arose from Him. This would eliminate the logical contradiction of something arising from nothing. A non-material God - like a concept - is most certainly not "nothing." He wouldn't exist in a physical sense. But, like the abstract concept of a square, He would still be very real.
THANK GOD THAT THIS IS A QUESTION WHY YESSSS HERES HERE NOW JUST WE ALL CANT SEE HIM BUT HE IS HERE.WELCOME FATHER WITCH AREEEE IN HEAVEN
For something to be created, something must have existed beforehand to create. For something to create itself, it would have to exist and not exist at the same time which is a contradiction.
If the universe is not eternal as science attests from the second law of thermodynamics, then it must have had a beginning. Who was before the beginning?
Before the beginning was God (the eternal un-cause) who caused the beginning of all of creation and our being, both physical and spiritual.
God cannot be a nothing , but a something. The something is the eternal uncreated first cause, which caused existence. Something is needed first before anything can be made to exist; therefore, something that exists is needed to cause something else to exist, but something that does not exist, cannot cause something to exist.
God, for me is a consciousness, a free flowing powerful but lightweight energy, is very creative, is the purest thought, is a sanctuary for many, is a guidance in the most subtle way your heart can take...is beautiful without a face...
Nice perspective about the subject. I don`t think I ever red something so interesting about God. Not that believe in it too much though....
God is a part of you. And so is the devil.
Where your kindness feeds good, your evil deeds feed the devil.
So, thinking of no god is like thinking of nothing good inside you.
You've given a huge answer there, let me tell you what I feel, my family is in India, and we have been Christian converts for over 5 generations, maybe, you simply don't feel with your heart but rather use your brain for everything. How can you say this? Have you ever tried to find out? God, like humans, can only speak to you if you want him too? I am a very serious protestant, and I beleive you know God and you feel him when you have problems and when you have none to turn too, that is the time you really have the faith to call on God, and you will feel better immeaditely. Since I feel so strongly on the subject I cannot answer you in one single hub, so keep asking questions like this and I will try my best to help you? But try to find out something on your own as well. Go and sit alone in a corner and close your eyes, and try to say what you feel, and you will hear an answer though you may not know the voice. Do it and tell me what happened.
I cannot leave it at that, sorry I am going to write something very long, I saw all those comments here and I feel I simply need to answer you as I feel.
You are all children, because, in the early days, parents told children and it passed on and so they knew what to fall back on when they had this doubt. But, now, we chose to follow our own voices and cannot find the way now. The way you have put this question proves you want to learn.
Please do these things and see if you feel any different.
Take you hymns book and read a song called "O Sacred head". If there is one thing you can't be very impartial against, it is not God. I want to say, however this may appear to you, that Christ is God and I will give solid facts too.
Why was it worth a whole nation to go and spread as history tells us, die, give up their lives to spread a faith. What was it? Do you know a whole nation that has so much faith in something today?
Man is no fool, he would not do such things without a reason. All our lives, we want to feel loved, forgiven when we feel guilty, wanted when we are alone, this we require more than food, shelter and clothing. Haven't billionares died because they couldn't find this.
God touches us then, he says that he who had all he needed came down and lived and died just for us, he made us feel so special. But over time, we found temporary ways to feel special and gave this up, now, if you had been brought up in this faith, you wouldn't ask a thing like this.
Why do you trust the Big Band theory, because someone said so? Did you actually see it happening with your eyes? You ask things like this because you don't what to beleive what is real.
Don't be afraid, once you embrace Christ, my Lord and yours, you will never ask these things on hubs. You never need be hurt, you will have no doubt, but be ready to beleive. Be brave to find out the truth, though these many comments are against it, try to stand up for what you beleive in. LOL.
While I love your detailed response, I do see the big bang everynight. And I also see angels... if he is a spirit, state of mind and even of the corporeal fashion, then I do see such subjects.
Do you think that he is psychic?
Thank you, @sharonchristy, for your passion. I love the strength of your love of God and His Son, Yehoshua.
I ask such questions because I want to understand what people think.
Big Bang? God created it and evolution, too.
God is everything. We run, stay on the direction of god.He runs the universe. Saying he is not here is meaningless
Wow, what a mindbender...I love this question! To give it the respect it deserves, I must place my thoughts outside of the 'box' that encompasses worldly thoughts. I must delve into the purely spiritual, where I believe we can find a satisfactory answer. My opinion is this...God is No Thing. Yet God is ultimately the very definition of What Is. Nothing is contrary to What Is, but No Thing is all That Is. On first glance these statements seem totally incompatible with each other, but if we look, and think, we can see that they are. We comprehend a reality that we believe we can prove via the five physical senses, but there is another Reality which is uncomprehensive by physical means. Therein lies Truth, and Light, and Good. God Himself has expressed Himself as the Ultimate Reality, the only Reality. Reality is not a 'thing.' Reality just Is.
@deblevey726, wow. What an answer!
I suppose God as the "ultimate reality" depends on your definition of "reality." What is "real" for one person isn't necessarily "real" for another. What is real for the astrophysicist, isn't to the cockroach.
I find questions and answers about God kind-of funny because our finite minds cannot come close to understanding the infinite Ever. It's sort of like a bacteria trying to comprehend Astrophysics. We're not even on the same page with God. He is without beginning or end and is in Himself the cause of all we know or understand. He existed before the universe or so-called Big-Bang, and will continue to exist long after all this is wiped from existence. He is immortal, all powerful, all knowing, invisible - the only True God - the Alpha & Omega - or as He said to Moses, "I Am, that I Am!"
when God created Adam it says he did so in the image of him. However God is everywhere, who's to say he is not in heaven, here on Earth in human form, all around us in energy form, and in another demention fighting the devil all at the same time? He watches us, he hears us, he knows our thoughts... God is everywhere and it is beyond our brains to comprehiend,
Technically "god" did not create Adam, the one who said "let us create man in the likeness of our image did. And to make the job easier for whoever it is that is fighting the devil think of the trinity sign as a knot.
Thanks @dixie. And what is the "image of God?" It certainly is not Homo sapiens. So, we are basically non-physical, spiritual and immortal sources of creation. Not ego or human.
Is the power of our mind a "nothing"? If yes then you can think of God as nothing. However, if you think that making a choice is abstract but yet, powerful enough to take you to an obvious next step then you will think of God with respect. I respect God, I adore Him and thank Him for everything that's happening in my life. I wouldn't be where I am now without GOD. Literally.
God is nothing and everything... God is not defineable, we can't see god and we certainly can't touch god. But we can feel god. God is an energy in everything. Everything is joined by one thing, the energy. Or to go biblical... apparently god is love... I'd like for a moment for you to take it literally... god IS love... So if
you have love you have god in you. Why oh why do people feel the need to analyze the bible, it was written by men, not a spirit being writing a code. God is love... Love is the energy that binds us all and all things in the universe... God is everywhere, in everything... Yet he is nowhere.
I don't agree with this question I think lot's of people believe in god.I'm also believe in god.
I dnt knw exactly what to say becz whenevr ths qstn is askd i fall into a dilemma.I dnt beleive in the existence of GOD bt still i beleive in the almighty....spiriyual powers.So confusd rather
There is no such thing as nothing because a nothing is still a something so god can't be a nothing. So what is god? An idea.
You are right Sir, Out of nothing, every thing came. The space is nothing but it contains many things we perceive in the so called creation. God is "formless" and God can be equated to nothing or no thing as you have surmised. None is able to predict the dimensions of space. We believe in things which are visible to us. It is said that the light from some stars has so far not reached to the earth! Considering the speed of light, it is unimaginable and mind boggling which can not be calculated or predicted by even the greatest astronomer or scientist. None has constructed a "Telescope" which is capable of viewing the edge of the space! Hence God is nothing as well as "Everything" since he permeate the creation and transcends it.
"God" is neither something, or nothing. God, according to the monotheistic religions of the world, is a "spirit". Spirits are supposedly intangible, yet existent, making God neither something or nothing.
In my eyes God is the Everything and the nothing at the same time. God is ALL. God would have to be everything physical, mental, spiritual etc. There would be no room for nothing because God would be that as well since God is defined as ALL. The nothing would be god in Full consciousness and power with no other sentient being to comtemplate if God exist or not.
If no one was around to think about God, would God exist?
We see something and nothing through our eyes, because we are the last element to make the ALL complete.
God is really an unknown. Yet we all follow him through our different religions.
For me he is my 'rock' when I have problems he is the first one I turn to! Sometimes before the family.
We all need something to believe in and to have that taken away who would you go to for that silent prayer for a loved one or a friend?
No lone77star he is there and one day we will 'ALL' meet him i am sure.
he's a something.. more than a nothing.. hes a story, and thats something!
God is nothing and everything... the up and down, yin and yang... God is everywhere and nowhere. God is...The I AM
How can there be an everything when there is nothing?
How can there be an everywhere when there is nowhere?
Are we certain that the one named I Am called himself "God" in the beginning?
@Michael, great answer.
Beyond space and time, God IS.
I can see the angle you're coming from, but God is definitely Something or Everything.
Before the big bang time did exist, but we could not have told the time if it was constantly dark. we have been given the sun and the moon to be able to figure out what time actually is... if we didn't have the sun/moon and lived on the earth we would still have no idea that there is something such as time.
God is a Spirit person, an Eternal person. He made every living thing, & even the universe.
No. God is in existence like every other existence (like me). The question is how do we know that for sure. There are 2 ways
1) Theoretically (like your thoughts...and i am not good at it)
2) Practically (like in Science)
I would leave the theatrical part. There are some ways of studying things. To study stars we need telescopes because its beyond our natural sense of seeing. Simlarly for something beyond our conscience we need something. tragedy is we don´t have anything. So we should expect a contact from the other side i.e God. God says he can speak (i don´t know how but he claims that). Similarly he can listen. He can create something. He can change something that was not going to get changed on it own for example a physical process. All this so that you can know Him.
God is the paradox. We are made to observe it within us. Some see the pleasure in that and some see the suffering; either way we can't help but to be observing that since God is nothing, no thing, everything, and all at the same time(s).
I notice how you didn't head your question "Is God a no thing?" Was that a conscious decision for antagonistic purpose? If so, that's funny and I like your sense of humor, if not, that's funny and I like your sense of humor.
My Zen side says the answer to the question is YES, God is nothing, and no thing. (Just answering the question makes god something). Fun thought!
God is a persons life! A person cannot live without God. God is our father! Without God life is impossible! God is everything..He is the answer to everything.
Maybe is nothing if you want to see HIM as a material object, GOD is not as you are phisically speaking,but GOD IS ALL , thats it..
The more anybody tries to answer this question or thinks about it the more confusing it gets. Have asked myself this questions many times in the pas and I could not reach any satisfying answer. All the same I decided to believe that God is every thing and anything. Anything which we apply the five human sensed equals to God. What you see, hear,smell, touch, feel where are created by him so he is in each of them.
It has often been observed that the majority of conflicts throughout our history have been religious in nature or, in the least, religion has been a significant contributing factor. People fighting other people simply because their version of "God" is "wrong". Any internet news site will contain some element of this, one group trying to impose its view of the Divine Creator as the "correct" one. Many of us in the west are brought to believe in Yahweh as this creator, but historical evidence has shown this entity to be merely one of numerous beings who claimed to be gods, at a time when few were literate.
I think the term "no thing" is likely most descriptive, from my perspective. Any group that seeks to affix human traits and characteristics on the Divine Creator is proof of their ignorance. The cosmos is vast and, in a human incarnation, we are exposed to only a miniscule part of it.
God is a motivation.. motivation that everything that we do has someone who can help and guide us.
Well, after reading this a few times, i could reply, that i myself, does not believe in god nor the devil, i am an Agnostic-Taoist, since i read the Tao of pooh any ways. So i don't think he's anything, well, actually, he is known by every person in the world, so he is physical to the mind, why also being non-physical.
God is an awareness, a spaciousness - a "no thing"- and as such God is everything. And for people who have been awakened to the God in them, God is an experience of peace, joy and love which are unconditioned. Humans can write a thousand words or more or think trillions of ideas about God, and yet none of which will ever completely grasp His formless nature. God is way too big for the little minds that we have for God is not a concept and is beyond words, thoughts and forms. I may have the freedom or the freewill to deny His very existence and yet my denial or ignorance will not stop my partaking of His breathe that sustains my own life form. At this state, I am a sleepwalker, so full of illusions and dreams and God awaits my waking up to his reality from within.
I must agree to the explanation of lonestar about God has undefinable existence and His preexistence has yet to uncover even by the brightest church leader, priest or pastor. But I would disagree about God is "no nothing" and was compared to "Big Bang."
The truth of the existence about God is in everyone else's heart whether he believes that God really exists or not. It is the first-hand witness who can say that God exists depending on what he feels about God and not what his mind dictates about the unexplained preexistence of God. Just a thought.
Quite the contrary, "God", whatever he/she/it may be is and is within all things. The physical, such as you and I, and even that which we cannot see.
God is everything that you can see with your eyes and those your eyes or the eyes of of man made thing cannot see. The consummation of nothingness and condensation of everything is what God stand for.Believe it or not, you will know one on one that he exist when you get close to him, you will never want to come back.
Very interesting question. Similarly to this question is questions such as:
1. Where the fire comes from when we strike a match and where it goes after the fire extinguished?
2. Where a human comes from and where he / she goes?
Human's mind is trained to think that all things come from a permanent source, why it has to be that way?
God is a "Spiritual Being" the creator of the universe and all that is in it.
I think God is EVERYTHING He created it all takes care of us all He is ALL . I LOVE MY JESUS AND THANK YOU LORD FOR SAVING MY SOUL!!!
To me He is Everything, He is the reason that I'm here today.
Where is here? Are you saying that he wrote you to be where you now are through the divine art of heaven?
Thanks, @Lucy. God certainly is the ultimate "cause" -- perfect source. Likewise, He is the reason that I'm here today.
God is everything. In the metaphorical sense? In the sense foundation of reality? Yet, an artist is not their canvas.
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