Does God Exist? Why or Why not?

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JeremysStuffposted 12 years ago

I had originally posted this as a question in the "Answers" section, but it was taken down because it "invoked a conversation rather than a Q&A.... So that's why I brought it here! I want you guys to sound off on what you think about this subject, does God exist? Why do / don't you think so? What does God mean for you, how do you envision God? Please keep it clean and respectful.

I am posting a Hub about this topic in a couple of weeks or so, so keep it locked on my Hubs for that story!
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  To answer that i need to know two things
  
  1. What is "god"?
  2. What do you mean by "exist"?
  
  Is god an object or a concept? If it is an object it exist, if it is a concept, it does not.
  If it is an object, what are it attributes/properties? How do you identify it?
  
  Exist?
  As love(a concept) exist or as you chair(object) exist?
  Former has no physical presence while the latter is physical and in the strict sense, former is false and only latter is true.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Buy a dictionary, PLEASE!
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  For you, car exist, love exist, sun exist, time exist and so many concepts exist, then you tell the religious that there god does not exist. What difference you have with the religious, you both sprout nonsense, they for god and you in the guise of science! You are like blind man who says, there is no evidence for the pit, till I fall into it!! I wonder when will you be here, fighting for god, because some instruments and equations said there is a possibility of god!
  
  http://reluctant-messenger.com/citsym/God.htm
  
  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/god
  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona … 1317794693
  
  You read, but never understand.
  
  If possible THINK, at least at times, in stead of mugging up!!
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  RookerySpoonerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Love, like all emotions does have a physical existence, based on chemical and electrical activity in the brain. As the brain is a very real physical object, then so is the activity it produces.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Its not love, but the chemicals that mediate love that exist. Same is the case with justice. And for time there is again the neuronal transmitters. In short all concepts exist in our brain, have no physical reality outside it.
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  Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If this is true?
  It must also be true that it is possible .... everything that we are, and see; is a result of that same kind of chemical responses going on in ... "the creators" mind.
  
  Are we little more than the result of someone’s imagination?
  Are we the result of our OWN imaginations?
  Does certainty exist? As you say? My reality is but the product of a chemical reaction ??? Then every time there is a chance in these chemicals, …... the reaction changes, … my reality will then be different.
  I am not arguing!
  I’m attempting to take your concept one step farther. You may be on to something.
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  Evolution Guyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No - you are not attempting to do any such thing, Jerami. You are attempting to defend your irrational belief system.
  
  LOLOL
  
  Liars For Jesus(TM)
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  Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That was a one size fits all comment that you just made.
  
  You can always use that one regardless of "IF" you read the post or not.
  Just see who makes a comment then copy and paste that answer .... Always!
  
  Thanks for your insight..
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  Evolution Guyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No. Please stop lying at me.
  
  Thank you.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Everything we think we are, is a result of chemical reaction going on in our brain, not somebody else's. In fact we are a giant chemical reaction.
  
  The someone is we ourself.
  
  Not we, but the way we live.
  
  No, only matter exist.
  
  If we see psychiatric patients, they have their own reality, there own world.
  
  But all these are subjective. What we really call reality is objective.
  
  Neither am I.
  
  That I'm not sure.
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  tsmogposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I have to go with Descartes on this one. Using juxtapose "I think, therefore I am." And, "I think there is 'g(G)od,' therefore there is." However I will defer to William James and his treatise on a 'will to believe' as well. However, if I remember right one science is not valid unless another validates it as so, true.
  
  So, that said, what of physics and math. Are those not required to prove / disprove the chemical theory? Math alludes to rational thought, which you state is only chemistry, so is there a never ending cycle or is it a circle. If a cycle can we then allude to the big-bang theory for proof or disproof. So, now we need physics. Yet, if a circle then there is not beginning or end, within a two dimensional plane.
  
  Yet, we exist on how many planes today according to science? I have read it ranges from 1 to 31. I guess we go to empirical thought to verify the rational.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The mechanism of thought process is chemical, but logic and ration is not. They are axioms we made(rules) for our normal functioning/thinking.
  Proof is an opinion.
  Planes-- the new science say so many idiotic stuff like that. You only have to define what a "plane" is to know how many planes are there. Just like a circle "is a simple shape of Euclidean geometry consisting of the set of points in a plane that are a given distance from a given point, the centre", we cannot take other figure as a circle.
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  tsmogposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, Not sure I agree, but do you not need physics for a reaction mechansm in chemistry?
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Science in any form is our explanation of observed phenomenon.
  Religious explanations are based on personal experiences.
  Science is objective.
  
  Difference? Objective is observer independent. It should be rational. Say, I cannot simply state matter appear from no where in science(well, now they say so), while in religion I can simply say god did it without any explanation.
  The only thing we can say for sure is, the sun, earth and heavenly bodies are there(exist), separated by space. All the rest are, our explanations, so the explanations better be plausible.
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  tsmogposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  OK, At work now (darn) so, I cannot take time to think, if you know what I mean. However, I would say we are in agreement with the statement you just made. A great read is the theory of recoprocity, which touches close to this. Quickly, I have to skidaddle.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
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  kessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The simple answer is yes....why?
  Because you can ask...otherwise you couldnt .
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  Titen-Sxullposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Depends on which God we're talking about. I'm going to assume for sake of argument a Christian idea of God which would typically include the attributes of omniscience, omnibenevolence and omnipotence, a perfect being, or the GREATEST CONCEIVABLE BEING as is sometimes referred to. This type of God is extremely indefensible from a logical standpoint. One common argument against this God's omnipotence is "Can God create a rock so heavy he cannot lift it?" This sort of paradox shows the logically inconsistent nature of an omnipotent being.
  
  Also one commonly brought up is the Problem of Evil, namely that if God is morally Good and loving why is there so much evil and suffering in the world?
  
  Another damning argument goes against the idea that God is perfect. If God IS perfect he has no business creating imperfection and also has no reasonable motivation for creating the Universe or humanity. After all a perfect being lacks nothing and without lack I would argue there cannot be desire and certainly cannot be NEED. A perfect God creating imperfection is logically inconsistent.
  
  The Bible is fraught with tales of God's numerous failures and is filled with stories of God acting immorally (such as killing the first born of Egypt). Much of the Bible contradicts modern claims to God's omniscience, omnibenevolence and omnipotence.
  
  Now there are Gods which would be difficult, or nigh impossible, to disprove. These include, but aren't limited to:
  
  Deistic or Watch-Maker style Gods.
  Pantheistic gods which are synonymous with the Universe itself.
  Alien beings so advanced as to be indistinguishable from gods
  
  Are there any gods out there? I don't know and neither does anyone else but at the same time I've seen no compelling reason to believe in any. This makes me an agnostic-atheist.
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  Rocko Poloposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Why is that rock example viewed as impossible? All that he has to do to create a rock he can't lift is to reduce his liftimg ability until he is unable to lift the rock.
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And to any common sense rational individual, doing such defeats the definition of being omnipotent and is dishonest, which isn't suppose to be possible.
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  lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There isn't enough evidence for me to disbelieve as yet. Where's the solid proof that there isn't anything?
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Contained within the thin air around you.
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  lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  hmmm. no. Still there I'm afraid.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Don't be afraid, it's just air.
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  lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How is air solid proof?
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Because, upon further analysis of air, one finds nothing else but air.
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  lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Air is not just air though. Once it was nothing, then it was discovered as being something and known to contain many elements. Water was once just wet stuff but now understood to be something more complex. Nobody can claim to know all the answers, or even anywhere near most of the answers. Even your beloved scientists are clutching at straws for much of the time.
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Here is an example of the sort of dangerous cods-wallop dished out by the religiously infirm.
  
  http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/ … preachers/
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  lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I don't see how that proves anything a bout God. This is a world I have no affiliation with. Again, all belief in God cannot be tarnished with the brush of fanaticism.
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  They are following their religion, they are following god, just like the bible tells them to.
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  lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't even call that kind of thing religion. It's a cult. Being part of a cult means people resign all personal responsibility and independent thought to a human-based movement, which uses the vague idea of God to legitimise something which is otherwise irrational and probably corrupt.
  Doubtless you would say that this is the effect of belief in God generally, but you would be wrong.
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  As you say, I would contribute their insanity to belief in a god, but agree it is a cult thing.
  Like other religionists support their beliefs with scripture, so can they.
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  lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I just see a very big gulf between fanaticism and the simple pious believer.
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  Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I hope that you are not saying ..everyone.. that believes in a God are either fanatic or pious?
  If that is what you believe? I would wonder if I understand these words the same way as you do?
  
  cause ....... I don't see it that way.
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  lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I was just pointing out the world of difference between the two. Most of us fall somewhere inbetween.
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  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There is no doubt that the Creator God does exist.
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So you've deceived yourself completely? Good to know for future communications.
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  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The Creator God does exist; and it is a fact and truth; however there is no compulsion to believe in Him.
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'll give you the opportunity to make a distinction between a higher power and the usage of the word "god" to describe it, but if you're referencing any god from any religion, then you've sold yourself a bill of useless goods.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The Creator Dog does exist; and it is a fact and truth; however there is no compulsion to believe in Him.(but if you don't he'll bite you!)
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  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The Creator God has created the human beings and set a purpose of life for them; those who don't believe in him lose that purpose; which is denoted as hell.
  
  There is no compulsion to believe in him.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Is the purpose of a Muslim to denounce and insult other religions and non-believers?
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  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No; I respect every religion; yet I will mention the truth I believe in; this is my love for the truth and every religion for truth.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Why can't you straight way ask as to believe you?
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  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  One should believe in the Creator God; there is no doubt in His existence; our existence is because He has bestowed life to us.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Aren't you saying that I should believe you without questioning?
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  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No; one may question if one sees an anomaly; otherwise one should accept; it will be immoral, impolite and unscientific to doubt to start with.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There is only anomalies. Creation is impossible. God(by that, if you mean, an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent creator) is impossible. All anomalies, then why do you accept and ask others to do the same, at the same time saying something of the contrary.
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  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Man got created through evolution by the Creator God; what anomaly one finds in it.
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Conjecture.
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  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How could you say it?
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You were telling me the universe, how come, now it became human and that through evolution? Evolution doesn't need any guiding hand.
  
  Excuse me, what do you mean by "god"?
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  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I mean the Creator God who created the universe and everything in it including the human beings.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You avoid so many questions here.
  I'll state one by one.
  You said "creator", be specific. what did he create and how? You said by evolution, so is it ex-materia?
  What is god? Is he just the creator?
  What made you think matter and space got a beginning?
  And why should anybody believe you, when you say, everything is created?
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  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The Creator God created everything; the inanimate and the animate with the design and purpose set by Him.
  
  Do you want that I should quote from Him to reply to your question?
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  cona216posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I my opinion as an athiest i do not personally believe in any god, however I do believe in the goodness it provides. It gives people purpose a way they can life there lives peacefully and how it can provide a good solid base for good honest family values.
  
  There is a dark side to religion sadly to say, sometimes the minority of people think that killing people that isnt of your religion is 'holy'. Of course one of the most recent and regonised is the extremist islamic group Al Qaeda, but throughout history this has happened. The christian armies of europe that invaded and slaugthered muslim people in their crusades or when the catholic church burned people at the cross as witches and devil worshipers for saying things like the earth circles the sun.
  
  that is why dont believe in religion and as I see it has hypocritical but dispite its flaws I believe in its concepts and how its suppose to help the good of humanity
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Emile Rposted 12 years ago
First, I assume there is something that first triggered belief, and keeps it going in its myriad forms. Assuming that religion has been around in one form or another since the dawn of time; even if you assume 15% ratio of just flat atheism that's still an estimated 98 billion people who have believed there was more. Nothing short of arrogance would explain the need to call that many completely delusional.

Second. I don't believe in a god, per se. I do think the need for answers has caused our speculation to push the envelope past the edge of what we know. I don't believe it is a force in need of, or desire for, worship. I think of 'god' as little more than that which connects all life. It's a part of everything, alive on a different level than the physical world we understand.

I do believe that many who truly believe are simply confused by what they have been taught. They are aware of something, they are simply defining it poorly and hoping for a more powerful force.
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  wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, there was certainly a reason for the first beliefs. It probably started with man trying to explain the world around them and to quieten fears of such things as lightning and thunder. If you name them it begins the explanation and they aren't quite so frightening.
  
  Unusual objects (an extra large tree, an unclimbable mountain, a fearsome creature) become gods as well, simply because they are unusual or scary.
  
  The next step might be to assign blame; "such and such God caused my crops to fail or my daughter to die." This is certainly not an uncommon thing in man; we are never responsible for our failures.
  
  Enter the Shaman; the only one that talks to the Gods and knows what they want. A great gig when things are going well - not so good when there's a hard winter or crops fail. The shaman often invents even more Gods that only he can talk with - it all helps when you're trying to control the masses and make a living.
  
  Eventually the Gods all disappear or turn into something ever more remote, less obvious, as man learns more about the world. That lightning or big tree cannot be a god, so God must be something else that we can't see. This brings us to current times when God is completely undetectable and has no discernable interaction with the world. The shamans cannot be show to be wrong this way and can retain their power as long as they can convince the gullible that God exists and has declared the shaman to be His representative.
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  Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe so. Maybe not. I think your explanation covers primitive man quite well. But, man hasn’t been primitive for some time now and there are still questions. And I think modern man is little different from their ancient counterparts. We are still showing a propensity toward jumping to conclusions before the answers are found.
  
  I guess it is because we have such a need to know, that it doesn’t matter which way we lean; we tend to take whatever is written as gospel. I don’t see where either side has made their case strongly enough to form a hard and fast opinion and rule the other completely out.
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RookerySpoonerposted 12 years ago
One of the problems in answering this question, is that there is not only one God in which to believe. For thousands of years, man has created his own gods, based upon the values of the society in which he lives. Gods were originally local deities, and it is only with the knowledge gained about other cultures, that conflicts arose as to who had the best or biggest God. So to answer the question, an agreement of sorts has to be reached as to who or what is meant by "God."

The fact that the gods of religion are all manmade, would suggest that none of them have any basis in reality. So, any concept of a God would have to be of something outside of the narrow creations of religion. Thus God, could not be described by terms such as "He", "She", "It", "Them" etc.

Also, the need to invoke a god to explain the physical universe is no longer necessary. Science has extended man's understanding of how things came into being, including the development of the universe from the Big Bang, and the evolution of the species. So God, must necessarily be reduced to a cause, or a God of the gaps. However, as those gaps are filled with more scientific understanding, God will be further reduced. As the cause of the Big Bang is only theory, then this remains the best place to look for any god to explain the cause. Whether science will explain even this awaits to be seen. However, science would seem to allow no room for a personal god, who answers prayers, or cares about us individually.

If God exists, then there would be empirical evidence to prove so. As there isn't, then such a concept can only be a matter of faith, but for people with a respect for and knowledge of science, this will never be enough.
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AntonOfTheNorthposted 12 years ago
I believe that the universe is a purposed creation.

I don't have sure knowledge of same, nor do I have any requirements as to the nature of the creator.

I believe this mostly because it pleases me to do so (honestly I think that's why anyone believes), but also because I simply haven't been able to buy the notion that everything we can observe and the resulting 'laws' we deduce from those observations just happened to occur spontaneously.

cheers
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  RookerySpoonerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I can understand why you should find it pleasing to believe in a god, because a universe without purpose, would seem to go against everything that the human mind takes for granted. That our own individual lives should be meaningful is also important to our egos, because who deep down would not want the hope that a belief in God offers? Even as an atheist, I still study the theist's argument, in the hope that I may be convinced, because the purely materialistic view of life is rather depressing. I however, would need some evidence to provide me with that hope.
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  OutWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  In the simplest ways our world has more depth than we can see. Even on our skin has microscopic organisms. We now know this. Of course it's safe to assume that there is more out there than we know. So if these materialistic things have depth why wouldn't the universe too. And then it would lead to life itself having depth beyond what we can see or sense. So purpose naturally is the next logical step. To see this life as one dimensional when all these other things have depth makes no sense. And to block out all things that we cannot logically explain leaves a great big hole in our thinking.
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  wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's a rather unreasonable compilation of assumptions.
  
  Yes, there is more than we can see in our world; the microscopic microbes of course, then molecules, atoms, subatomic particles and finally energy itself. And it would be an indication that the rest of the universe also has things we can't see, but to then declare that because of this the supernatural (non-materialistic) exists just doesn't follow at all; the two have no connection. On the contrary every single thing we can see or sense, have evidence of, or detect results from is materialistic and not supernatural. It is thus reasonable to assume there is no supernatural at all.
  
  Nor does it show any indication that life has a depth we can't see or sense (as in supernatural attributes), and even if it did it would not lead to the conclusion that there is a purpose to life.
  
  As none of the other things have depth (again in the sense that there is no supernatural side to them) then we can, fairly safely, assume that life is the same and there is no supernatural side to life, either.
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  OutWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Supernatural? Who said anything about that...I know I didn't. I just said it seems logical to me that there are things we are still unaware of based on the fact that things like the atom were at one time never known to man and now are. Of course it is safe to say and logical to assume that there are many more things like that in the physical world. And life itself would carry this same idea...having a purpose. It seems like a very logical conclusion to me based on the actual evidence we know.
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  AntonOfTheNorthposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ". . .because the purely materialistic view of life is rather depressing. . ."
  
  Interesting. I've never thought of it as depressing, but that may be perhaps because I don't believe it is that simple, so I am not faced with it as truth. (ie: that we all stop at death is potentially depressing only if you believe it).
  
  Hope is not a surety. If I'm sure, I don't need to hope. I choose to hope.
  
  cheers
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gnikposted 12 years ago
Well, I cannot resist. The question, "Does God Exist" generally communicates the issue that is being raised. However, atheists are obviously going to say that God does not exist. Many religious people are going to say that he does. Neither position has any proof. Some theologicans who trust in the reality of God will say that God DEFINITELY does not exist. To ask about the existence of God is to misunderstand the subject. Existence is a category for physical objects and beings. Many theologians would say that God is not a person like you or me, nor is he an organic life form, nor is he a physical object. This is why some theologians would say that God does not exist.

Also, the question is not very specific as to what is meant by "God". God does exist as a word. I think that all would agree that marks on paper forming the word "God" does exist. Of course, if that was what was meant by the question, no one would probably ask it. It is an extreme point to illustrate the need for some definition or meaning. So before you can ask the question about God, there needs to be some understanding of what is meant by "God".

We may also need to clarify what one means by "exist" Are we going to limit existence to organic life forms and physical objects. Or, on the other extreme, maybe we will include "ideas" as somethings that exist. Undoubtedly, God exists as an idea, otherwise we probably would not even be discussing it. How could we even discuss it at all if some idea of God did not exist.

I think two much more interesting questions are,

1. Do you ever use the word "God?
2. If so, what do you mean by that word?
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Bad statement- Reality and God in the same sentence doesn't actually work.
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  OutWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I liked your first paragraph.
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wongomowaleposted 12 years ago
Which god are you talking about? There are millions of them.
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gnikposted 12 years ago
Ah, so Cagsil does use the word "God". I wonder what he means by it?
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Did you not read the sentence I posted? WOW! Talk about foolishness. And, if you didn't understand the statement then that's all you had to say or even ask for clarification.
  
  Reality should NEVER be used in the same sentence with the word "god". It's just completely stupid to do so. By every believer in known existence, their god doesn't exist in reality, due to the point that it's a "spirit" or exists outside of time and space.
  
  It would completely depend on the definition of that particular individual "god".
  
  If they are implying that the god that they are talking about is not the god of religion, then they and I, would be on the same page. It would be known that they are using the word "god" as a description for a higher power. This practice is different than using the description of god of religion.
  
  Meaning, god of religion is a hoax and common sense says that the highest authority in any human being's life is self. To believe in a higher power is fine, but going to the extent to make the claim that the god of religion IS that higher power is gullibility/stupidity.
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  TJenkins602posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How about this. "God is talked about a lot in reality."
  
  See? God and reality are in not one, but two of my sentences.
  
  I understand what you are saying. I used to believe in a God that a certain major religion teaches (false idol). However, the more I thought about it, the more God changed.
  
  If there was a God I believed in, reality would be it...
  
  Got Dammit I did it again.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I use that word frequently, when I'm pd off or attempting to achieve something that isn't achievable, or when I hear that innocent people or servicemen and women have died in stupid unnecessary wars, some of which have been in the name of god of course.
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ahorsebackposted 12 years ago
Yes , Yes, Yes ! God exists ........of course he does and why ? Because I, like all believers , simply have faith in that he exists! This is for Cagsil.....peace out C man....:-}
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
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  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Peace to you to man, but as far as I'm aware I'm not excluded from the discussion. You simply have faith that he exists, and that's cool, but others, like myself question, don't accept the simply have faith bit.
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  wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And I believe in and have faith that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists. He is thus as real as your God and you'd better get to worshiping Him before he wraps his spaghetti arms around you and drags you into His great Maw, there to be chewed on for eternity by His pasta teeth and gums.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Is this a flying spaghetti monster warning or threat? That's what I'd like to know?
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Depending on who you talk to....possibly both.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  S**t, it's coming at me from all angles.
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  wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I warn you; He will threaten and punish you. Sometimes in reverse order. That's how it works, isn't it?
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  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  But, when he punishes me, he will not really be punishing me, just my sins, for which he will make me burn in hell for all eternity. But, despite this, I should also remember that both G and the spaghetti monster truely loved me and died for my sins. And for that I should be bloody well grateful and never question. him
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  TJenkins602posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What if God is the Spaghetti Monster in reality?
  
  Oh, I did it again!!!
  
  Oh wait, questions don't count, do they?
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  TJenkins602posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You believe in my pet Leroy, eh?
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  SanXuaryposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You should not ask a question that requires a book to explain. You can not compare evil on Earth and good in Heaven since one is explained by free will. If you murder someone today I can not blame God for it. Only those who seek God can discover his existence in their lives. This is realized by removing the Earthly view that controls our lives. In other-wards you our not likely to see God unless you our looking for him. I was once twenty miles from town walking with a friend when he boasted if there was a God someone would give us a ride. We had not seen a car for two hours but one stopped about 30 seconds after he said that. I think the message was meant for him and not me.
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
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  wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Or maybe the message was for you; to impress you very firmly that the driver had nor free will at all after God decided he was to stop for you any more than anyone else has free will. God controls everything, after all.
  
  Or maybe it was coincidence. There is absolutely no way of knowing, and to claim it was a message to show your friend that you were right after all is total arrogance.
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habeeposted 12 years ago
Based on my own personal experiences, I have no doubt that a supreme being/creator/God exists.
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hi habee, you and I are so alike!
  
  I am equally sure from my experience that their isn't.
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ahorsebackposted 12 years ago
"If there is a God " ,he might begin by making alot of supposedly intellectual reasoners accountable in more ways than they realize ! But hey , we can do anything and act anyway we wish in life .....because our sins will be forgiven? Yes......sounds like some one on death row to me.
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Jeramiposted 12 years ago
Jerami wrote:
That was a one size fits all comment that you just made.

You can always use that one regardless of "IF" you read the post or not.
Just see who makes a comment then copy and paste that answer .... Always!

Thanks for your insight..

==== ==
Evolution Guy
No. Please stop lying at me.

Thank you.

===== ME
I didn't ask a question .. SOoo ... NO; was an
inappropriate answer.
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  Messenger_of_god8posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  another reason i know god exists is because god talks to me personally
  i am one with god and when i speak you will hear the words of the lord
  
  on 10/01/2011 my birthday god spoke to me and said son of man because Tyre has said against jerusalem, aha! She is broken .......................
  
  read chapter 26 of EZEKEL to end of EZEKEL to know exacty what god said to me
  
  when the lord is saying son of man ... he was calling me son of man
  i am the son of man and the lord made me the watchman of israel. the lord actualy told me everything that is written in EZEKELE
  
  and in the bible on the 1lth year and the 1st day of the month
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  recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Reading an introduction to psychology would be more useful to you, your condition is very common and with professional help you can still have many good days.
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  Messenger_of_god8posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  i have proven myself to many people and i know dont feel the need to have to prove myself to someone not worthy of existing ......to lost souls who do not believe in themselves their substance in wich they are made of
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  OK, now we are all clear.
  Anyone who doesn't believe what you do is not worthy of living.
  
  Gotcha!
  
  Who did your god tell you to kill first?
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  Messenger_of_god8posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  if you want to be included in The Book Of Life you Might Want To Become a Member Of My Book Space http://www.googolplexit.org/mybooks/
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  recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Please don't spam the forums with rubbish.
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  jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If you preach to some clubs you can make more money than yo might be doing in hubpages, and probably more followers!
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Messenger_of_god8posted 12 years ago
YES GOD DOES EXIST
BUT
WE ARE STILL IN THE NOTHING

WHEN WE THINK OF SOMETHING. IT IS IN THE MIND. IT IS INVISIBLE TO ANYONE ELSE.
JUST IMAGES IN THE NOTHING ....
WHEN WE CREATE IT.....IT COMES FROM NOTHING BUT NOW IS A THING THAT IS SOMETHING

SOMETHING HAD TO OF THOUGHT OF YOU, CREATED YOU IN MIND, BECAUSE WE ARE STILL IN THE MIND OF GOD AND WE ARE ON THE PATH TO REALITY AND BECOMING WHAT WE ARE ACTUALY GOING TO BE,, THIS WORLD IS JUST AN ILLUSION ... WE ARE MERE IMAGES OF GODS IMAGINATION AND WHEN YOU DIE AND LEAVE THIS EARTH YOU ARE CREATED OR YOU BECOME A BAD MEMORY IN HELL

THIS IS THE NOTHING AND WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE CREATED INTO SOMETHING BY GOD
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  DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So part of God's mind is in hell?
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  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  BUT ONLY IN THE MIND OF THE MENTALLY UNBALANCED WHO THINK THAT CAPITAL LETTERS ARE NEEDED IN THE FORUMS BECAUSE THAT MAKES WHAT THEY SAY TRUE.
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  TJenkins602posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  LIKE THIS????????
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  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  YES GOD DOES EXIST
  
  For all us skeptics, can you provide some evidence please.
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  Messenger_of_god8posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  /*Nothing "The Simple Thought about nothing makes nothing "a thing that is....."*/
  {
  "reality" nothing imagined;
  "possible" nothing impossible;
  "seen" nothing unseen;
  "visible" nothing invisible;
  "all creation" nothing created;
  "allknowing" nothing knows ;
  "infinit" nothing is forever;
  "Thing" is God. God Knows Everything & Is Everything
  God Is in all and all is in God!
  We are Gods "Thoughts" in the process of manifesting into actual "Things" ... Where Every "Thing" Has No Limits In Space
  Thing God
  God Thing
  life thing
  thing made life
  "Thing"
  is the substance of Everything
  "Existant" "imaginary" Nothing was and is the first thing"
  now nothing is impossible, because the nothing is there and it is real and is something
  Thought "is inside the thing that made nothing something"
  Thing "
  thought of nothing made nothing
  nothing is now something
  nothing is the thought in the beginning and the nothing is in the thing
  nothing = thing
  nothing is the thing
  thing is something
  something is nothing
  and nothing is something
  nothing + something= "Thing"
  Thing Has No Limits
  Thing is The Biggest and the Smallest
  }
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  Messenger_of_god8posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The opposite of nothing is a simple thought
  
  but the first thought was nothing
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  Messenger_of_god8posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  U= - half of nothing n= - the other half of nothing o= + the whole nothing
  
  we are + - until +++ we become
  
  this is everyone +0 -0 until you become +o +o you become +1
  
  nothing=0 the thought of nothing=0 the thought made nothing into something=1
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  Messenger_of_god8posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  --=+ -soul -body 2 negatives turning into positive only means god is positive you will go to hell and that its real and you never get a new body
  
  -+=- soul+ body- everyone on earth is here keep your soul + whe you die your soul should be ++
  
  ++=+ When you die and your soul was ++ then god is positive you will recieve a + body that lasts forever
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Tell ya what..... how about you go to hell and give us non believers a preview.
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  Messenger_of_god8posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  funny because i went to hell i can tell you what its like and its not fun
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  Messenger_of_god8posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  god gave me the authority to destroy all the wicked men and non believers
  
  i feel sorry for all non beievers seriously
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  recommend1posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  This is in the wrong thread - the bipolar medication thread is about four slots down.
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  Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  With a dozen different denominations who does not agree on many things; saying the same thing as what you just said. ....
  
  The world is a scary place. As prophesy said that it would.
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well if you didn't have an invisible friend telling you that you are to represent it and explain that all the non-believers have to be destroyed, there would be no abuse and no religious thread, and you could get back to drowning baby birds, or whatever a religious fanatic does without a religion.
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earnestshubposted 12 years ago
Wow!That is SOOOO MUCH MORE TRUTHFUL IN CAPITAL!
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earnestshubposted 12 years ago
Watch out for the rush of traffic from the unconverted!
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cathylynn99posted 12 years ago
only 10% of men with IQ's above 140 believe in God. the smarter you are, the less likely you are to believe.
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  tsmogposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  what about women?
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  My wife always told me women were smarter than men, so I guess there must be more women who don't have a personal invisible fairy.
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  tsmogposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Earnest. Oh, good auto hubs. The interesting thing I have discovered regarding that is IQ seems to go down with age. Something to do with cognitive decline and some weird curve. So, does that mean the older you get the more inclined one is to believe? Hypothetical of course.
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, I love automotive anything.
  I have had IQ tests a few times in my life, and I think their is a propensity to lose some cognitive function with age.
  
  My IQ has been steadily increasing, and I put that down to constant learning.
  
  Other than that, I find we lose a lot of things as we get older, including the desire to do stupid things.
  
  For example. I no longer feel like rebuilding a motor and trans on the weekend so I can race it to destruction next weekend and keep repeating the cycle.
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  tsmogposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Being a Drag Racer of old, I understand. I'm glad I don't turn wrenches for a living anymore either. However I am still in that field - shuffle paper now for corp and make reports on performance etc. Same stuff, different view. I agree on the IQ going up. I have memory function challenges. I got through classes by writing well and where that came from when I returned to school at 40 I have no idea. Reading?
  
  thanks for the reply, now arm yourself - just kidding.
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I have been way sillier, I didn't do it for a living, I had mechanics in my businesses to do that.
  
  I did it when I didn't need to! All my life from when I was a little kid.
  I worked on a car yesterday, my almost vintage Honda.
  
  After spending so much time in the industry, I prefer to do some things myself.
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  TJenkins602posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Women are smarter, but God is Male. (according to the religious) There must be some kind of...um...longing going on.
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You know, I think that is a valid point.
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I haven't seen that stat, but I don't doubt it for a minute.
  
  I watched pint sized preachers last night, and there were IQ's amongst that lot that was lower than their shoe size.
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manthyposted 12 years ago
Yes he exists
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Really?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Really!
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  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Conjecture. Anything else?
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  Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  He exists...he just doesn't get out much anymore. Addicted to the internet.
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  lizzieBooposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The Dude is back!!
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awareposted 12 years ago
hope it dose . pray it doesn't.
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Messenger_of_god8posted 12 years ago
Mind is The Only Matter
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Are you sure? Matter may exist only in the mind instead.
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awareposted 12 years ago
yes or no . the why is a means to poke at the answers someone gives.
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Mikel G Robertsposted 12 years ago
Does God exist?

Yes.

Proof>>>> http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/67947#top
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  <grinning>
  
  DISPROVE the dead horse...
  
  or admit it isn't a dead horse at all...but instead is an inconvient TRUTH you wish was a dead horse.
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LucidDreamsposted 12 years ago
He writes here on Hubpages. Those who know his word and have faith, will find him with their eyes closed.

A quick clue....his score is still recovering because he does not comment much and got hit hard by the "panda update".
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DiamondGirl27posted 12 years ago
Yes! He lives in each of us.
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