Bible beliefs. Other beliefs may have real support. Eg I believe the 12 valve four cylinder motor in my ute is just that. Someone may say it is a six cylinder, but you can count em. The workshop manual supports that and so does the manufacturer, and others who know the model would agree that it is a four cylinder.
Agreed and of course math doesn't leave much room for debate. But there are philosophical differences, political opinions, psychological debates, and scientists argue issues all of the time. The world of people is full of people's beliefs and each person may vary his or her belief with tedious little distinctions or with major differences. What makes any of them right or wrong?
So let me get it straight my friend. Are you against THE TRUTH only when it is bible belief? Quran does not count? Global Warming does not count? Slap the kids or not do not count? Did I understand you correctly?
I completely agree with you.These people who think they know the REAL truth are diminishing MY credibility cause I am the only one who knows the REAL truth.Just last night God spoke to me very clearly,She said"Tomorrow,Italian sausage and meatballs",now thats a real truth if i ever heard one.
Oh by the way,is Megalomania anywhere near Romania cause I didn't like it there.the women braid there arm pits?
I was hoping that your comments would clear things up for me but I'm just as confused as before. I believe that many doctrines are errant in many ways and it is terrible when people "put them in the Bible" but what about the obvious teachings.
ALL beliefs derived from the Word of God to man of all people are flawed? There are some pretty basic truths that I would include in "beliefs" that are hard to corrupt: Faith in Yeshua is the only way to the father. God created in six days and rested on the seventh. Yeshua is coming back. Weather one believes the Bible to be true or not, these are some basic teachings of the Word and belief in them is true to the Word.
I don't know about streighting any thing out but what I think is that if God created everything in seven days he musta skiped a few million years between the first day and the second day and so on. Yea faith in Jesus that he died for our sins and rose again sounds good and TRUE to me. The first description of Jesus that there ever wuz is that Jesus IS the word of GOD. The bible wasn't courupped on the first sentence waz it. Jesus is the word of God. Ya gotta believe in the word of God. That is the only way to reach God is through his word (Jesus) If ya know Jesus's word he will probably let ya into his fathers house. The word died on the cross making another word be herd The old covenant of the law died. The new covenant of redemption rose up off tha cross..... If ya want it;... here it is, come and get it ....but ya betta hurry cause it's going fast. Just kiddin singin a song. It is almost that easy sept ya gotta mean it in your heart. teasin don't count.
I bet people here on HP are not a typical bunch, at least those who stay here. They tend to be more thinking for themselves than average population. This might explain why we have such a high percentage of people whose teachers were really good, or who pick good teachers for their kids.
It's not only about religion. Look at politics forums, look at parenting forums, just look around. The prevailing motto - my opinion is right, and it is THE ONLY RIGHT OPINION. Isn't that what all of us are taught in schools? "There is only one correct answer to this question children, please learn it by heart. All other answers are wrong."
Well as far as schools I guess I was lucky then? I was always taught to express my opinion and be open to discussion at both home and school. I dunno what it is, but some people just can't stand the fact that they may not be right. That what they have dedicated their life to studying, living, learning, preaching etc. is either bull shit or just not the only "right" way.
I honestly tried to teach my students to think, and since I taught writing and literature, there were few right/wrong answers. Much of it was interpretation. I've never thought much of filling a youth's head with facts and having them regurgitate it on a "test."
And a lot of people research ways to prove those who don't believe as they do wrong. Rather than using their time to make the world better and just saying "Ya know what?!?! If someone doesn't believe what I do, thats cool. I believe what I believe and as long as I'm happy and a good person, its ok."
I've been told I would burn in hell since I was four and couldn't recite one of about twenty verses from the bible in Sunday school. The teacher always called me Carmen Poopwick instead of Borthwick... biatch. Refused to go back after that!
Basically I was trying to tell SirDent that there is crap from both sides. People telling him his religion is bull, and people telling me that I'm going to hell because I don't follow a religion. Everyone should just relax.
The only thing I would need to be "wanred" of Dent, is that you or any heller is entering the room about to preach your crap. If I'm not in the mood to laugh I'd have to leave. How's that latest hell hub comming?
Kind of weird that people think no one should teach their own kids what they believe is true. So are you non-bible believers teaching your children about bible beliefs in a way that allows them to consider they might be true? Or does that only apply to ones who DO believe in the bible that should not teach their children what they believe?
Of course parents are to teach littles what to believe and what is true. They need a basis to start from, if parents teach what they think is a lie, they end up with kids who have no stability at all. If they grow up and disagree with what the parents believe, at least they know (and openly say) their parents did their best and they loved them.
Taking your child to church, or letting them know your own belief is fine. But if they make the decision to not follow your beliefs and you are not ok with that, nope not cool. My story is different, I wrote a hub about it. But growing up I went with my friends to church/temple. My parents were always ok with it. They would ask me questions about what I learned, how I liked it. They told me what they believed, I learned other ways through my friends, and then I made the decision for myself.
Not when they're very small - all they do when you give them a choice is ask which they should choose, what's the RIGHT choice. There's a reason littles try to please their parents, they need direction for a long time. Giving too many choices and no clear answers is mean, it would be nice if we didn't have to clarify our own beliefs to know what to teach them but that's a parent's job. It's an abdication of responsibility to not tell children what's true and what isn't and leaving it up to them to figure out before their brains are capable of doing so.
Depends on what you mean by religious - intellectual or experiential? When a child feels spirit and love emanating from you, that's how you influence a three year old. Intellectual? For a child who believes, apparently FULLY believes, that a crocodile bit his leg and that's where he got that little microscopic scrape? None. (No, we don't have crocodiles around here!)
But spirit and love doesn't have to relate to religion. Basically what I'm trying to say is that there can be some religious influence on a young child, but usually the influence that affects life decisions is a little later in life. And at that point, in my belief, it is up to the parent to be open and honest with their child.
Open and honest means telling their child what they believe to be true. As far as teaching little children, I've gotten the impression from remarks in the forums that anyone teaching their children anything about their religious beliefs (christian anyway) should be drawn and quartered for practicing child abuse. That's what I object to, parents teach what they believe. I'd rather a child be taught religion that he can leave as a child than be taught to be a criminal - something parents teach also.
Of course not. And if you read the posts prior they say that parents should teach what they believe but be open to their children learning about other beliefs. I am not against parents discussing their personal beliefs with their children, mine did it with me. But I am against parents who want their children to follow in their footsteps and would not accept them if they did not.
It must just be the attitudes toward christianity that i object to. I was raised an atheist, never allowed to accept anything without proof from anyone including my parents. Science disproved religion as far as my dad was concerned. BUT since he is a scientist, our home was full of the new discoveries that disproved what had been "known" the year before. All I got was that nothing is true, no one and nothing is to be trusted, life sucks and then you die. I was lucky, God showed me that life has a whole other dimension that I hadn't known about before. Teaching my own boys about love and all the biblical virtues was no hardship though I think I managed to teach each of them a completely different "religion" as I learned.
And that is your personal experience. Yes some have negative attitudes toward christianity as a whole. I see that your personal experience has maybe made you sensitive to those who oppose your religion. And like anything else that is important to someone you feel you must defend it when it is being attacked. I'm sure you know that you have great influence over your children. But if they decide to not follow the path that you have chosen, as a parent you love them and accept them, which I'm sure you will because you did not have a positive experience as a child.
I can't claim to really be a christian, I don't believe the things taught in churches usually. It's the whole "anyone who is a christian is a fool and delusional" that I object to. And saying that no one should teach their children what those other people don't believe in.
colebabie, YOUR posts aren't like that but some definitely are.
scott, doom and gloom? You mean in the other threads perhaps. It must be getting late, suddenly your pic looks so much like my baby brother that I'm about to ask. But I've seen the pic before and haven't thought that so guess I'll say good night.
I understand that. And I don't think it is right. But people can say what they want. The whole point of this thread was questioning how someone could think that they are right when there are so many beliefs in this world. Then your comments regarding parenting lead me to make the statement that parents shouldn't force their religion on their children. Sometimes there is a fine line between "forcing" and "teaching". And in my opinion, parents shouldn't cross it
Okay, teaching and forcing, that's all you mean, sure I agree with that. Besides, "forcing" a child to believe something is not only not going to work but seems to be more likely to make them choose the opposite, at least for a while!
How can a logical human arrive at the conclusion that out of the thousands of different bible beliefs, only theirs is right?
Do you think it would be logical for them to assume theirs is wrong? This is why so many people are out there spreading their beliefs, or trying to. They think they found out something of major importance and are making sure no one is left without the chance to know.
Our faith has always instructed it's membership that most all faiths contain bits, pieces and segments of truth for we all have much to learn from one another. The test is using the spirit of discernment to choose for oneself whether it be true or untrue. We must be open to new knowledge and ideas. Of course the Holy Bible is not complete for it was not written beginning to end in it's current form. It is a compilation of letters, addresses and records. It would be folly to believe that the "complete" word is contained within that sacred work. I am currently preparing a hub on this particular subject.
This is why I, personally, thirst for knowledge of what others believe. Together we may be perfected. To claim absolute salvation because of one's affiliation to an organization or system of belief is prideful and will lead you on a damaging path. Exactly like a compass. You may wonder off course a little bit but at the end your destination has become way off track. This mindset is, in essence, tunnel vision and prevents you from seeing beyond the walls you have set up for yourself.
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Sorry I missed a question. Jesus comin back; haven't ya heard !!! He already did come back. About thirty years after the desciples said that he haddn't come back yet. About 60 years after he said that he was comin back soon. What? You missed tha party??? ME TOO.
If ya take every denominational belief system in the world and write them down. Study them all and cross off all of them that contradict each other; what ya got left that is not crossed off will have some truth to it.
I was just saying that there are way too many interpretations of scripture. How many of those interpretations do you suppose are true to scripture. Yeshua (Jesus) is the only way to the father. He is the Way, He is Truth, He is the Light. Of all things that he is, it is first written that he is the WORD OF GOD,
To say salvation is by faith in the WORD OG GOD would not sound as inclusive. I am not so sure that YA HAVE TO BE a Christian to have faith in the Word of God?? I do not know ??
I have never read them but from what I have heard you talking about; I would have to say that I can't argue about much of what you have said. If I did it would be concerning degerees of depth and intensity of absolute-ness. Seems to me that we are saying almost tha same thing looking at it from tha other side of the fince.
That is nice to know, although I would like to say I am updating all the time, so some of the old ones are not as sloppy! Really I am chuffed, by the way MAe West cracked me up! She was one funny truck driver! I mean lady.
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