When my brother Jerami told me about Hub Pages I thought this would be a great place for believers of God to debate their beliefs, but I was wrong. The forums end up off subject and a place for every one to start cutting, stabbing each other. most end up downing others of different faiths. as christians we are not to put any one down. We are to be nice to every one, but do we even know how to do that anymore? I believe this would be a good Hub. How about feeding more thoughts about this.
Odd. You are here specifically to spread your irrational belief system - no other reason - as far as I can tell from your hubs and this comment.
Exactly what made you think a public website which deals with just about every subject know to google adsense would be a great place to spread your irrational belief system?
So - not prepared to answer that question then? Just call me names instead?
How productive. Or - do you think - like your brother - that the world will end soon so it is not worth doing anything becoz it sed so in the Babble?
I don't "think" that I ever said that the world will end soon. If I did it wasn't intentional.
To say that prophesy is just about finished being fulfilled is one thing, I try to not to interpret exactly how these future prophesy should be interpreted.
They are easier to recognize after their fulfillment.
"IF" people were inclined to investigate that prospective,
The Hebrews had their mind set as to what was to happen upon the arrival of their messiah. The were wrong.
Christians are wrong concerning their understanding of the "Second Coming" and the "Rapture" for the same reasons as the Hebrews were wrong concerning the first coming.
Their eyes had been blinded, and they do not believe the simply stated words of Jesus.
"Verily I say unto you, THIS generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled".
"Some of them standing here shall not taste of death till they have seen the son of man coming in the clouds sitting at the right hand of power"
We should just leave these words alone and NOT interpret them to mean something that they don't.
Interpreting these words HAS turned the meanings of scripture upside down. And opened the doorway for the "Beast" as described in Rev. 13 to prosper for 42 prophetic months.
That 42 months is almost over. Will that be the end of the world?? I don't know. Will things be changing drasticly?
Yes
Sorry - what does this mean in that case?
"The sand is washing out from under your feet, You know that your time is short. Deny it all that you will, that won't stop the rain."
You are right - things have already changed in fact. How about that? - things change - what a fantastic revelation. Only a genuine invisible super daddy could have made that prediction.
And guess what? - we have yet another religious war looming. This sort of exact prophesy could only have been made by an invisible super being. Amazing.
Oh - and how about that? You have managed to cobble together a bunch of nonsense to satisfy your need to have prophecy retroactively "fulfilled" in order to justify your religious beliefs.
No matter the generation spoken of when this were written has already passed years ago. I am certain that "generation" can be interpreted to mean something else than what it actually says - right? As can "death" "son of man" and everything else in it.
The "beast" of which you speak has been ruling since man first walked upright and considered himself above the rest of the animal kingdom. It has many faces - and you are wearing one of them.
Yes - I see interpreting future prophecies is somewhat more difficult than finding historical events that could be possible adjusted to fit in hindsight.
Which rather makes it completely and utterly useless - doesn't it?
Myself? - I see exactly what changes are coming - I have a very good idea when they will occur and I am planning accordingly. I just hope it is not as bad as I suspect it is going to be.
In the meantime I try and educate people that their religious beliefs are part of the problem, along with allowing themselves to be distracted away from learning what is actually going on in favor of arguing over prophecies any idiot with half a brain and a basic understanding of human psychology could make.
I was you - I would be considering moving to Northern Colorado.
Mark Knowles wrote
"...prophecies any idiot with half a brain and a basic understanding of human psychology could make"
===================================== And yet these were written 1900 years ago and no one took them seriously!
But I agree with you that "Religion" (Not God) has led us down this path and humanity followed blindly.
Mark Knowles wrote And guess what? - we have yet another religious war looming. This sort of exact prophesy could only have been made by an invisible super being. Amazing.
========= I know that you didn't mean it the way it sounds but; ... Yes it is Amazing,
And you are right. There is another religious war on the Horizon ... But there isn't anyplace on the earth to hide to get away from it.
And there isn't anything you or I can do to stop it.
It has been rolling down hill for too long, has gained too much momentum, and there isn't enough time left.
I'm angry too. Lets go beat somebody up..
It was sarcasm, Jerami - I don't need a 2000 year old book to tell me a belief in a god is guaranteed to cause a fight. And that is by no means the only problem looming.
How about we persuade a few people to drop their religious convictions and get along with each other instead? Because they are never going to do so all the time religion and nationalism are used to stir up trouble.
It wasn't intended as sarcasm, Truth often sounds that way though.
You are right though, Religions of the earth are going to destroy it for everyone. If The leaders of the world cain't stop it. You and I are not going to either.
We can't even end the hate in our own itty bitty part of the world. We can try But we first gotta get rid of the hate within ourselves first.
And I'm afraid that it is too late for any solution to grow out of that fast enough to stop the ball that has been rolling down hill or so long.
It was intended as sarcasm Jerami. I absolutely intended it as sarcasm. It does not take a god to tell anyone that a belief in a god is absolutely guaranteed to cause nothing but trouble.
The leaders of the world are not interested in stopping it. I guess your blinkers are on pretty good huh?
We (humanity) could stop the ball rolling Jerami. How much time and energy have you invested in "studying prophecy"?
Look at your brother - not interested in anything other than talking to other people who think the same way he does and worship the same nonsense he does.
Sad.
How are going to stop the world from turning.
How are you going to stop people from hating each other? The same way they did during the cruscades.
Are we going to hate Hate to death?
How much time have I spent studying prophesy you ask?
I have spent "Lots" of time UNINTERPRETING what I was taught by religion concerning what THEY say that it says.
When 1800 years of false interpretations are removed, ...
prophesy is all pretty simple if you ask me.
Yup - pretty simple.
I can do it for ya here.
1. A belief in a god is absolutely going to cause a fight
2. Go around telling people what to do becoz your god sed so and they are going to hate you
3. Go out and do that and you will provoke the final conflict
Simple really.
Now defend your religion again.
That is incredible. You are a legond in your own mind.
And you are absolutely correct.
Anyone that believes diffrently than you do, better get ready for a fight.
You learned well... Your daddy must be proud.
Yup - defending your religion is far, far more important than anything else. Disgusting religion really - it will be the death of all of us - right?
Like wot god sed....................
I've had a good teacher.... Been watching you.
You are the best at it. I guess years of practice makes you at the top of your game.
Dear me,
I guess you are hoping for the religious war coming then? Congratulations - as we both know - it is on the way. Well done - you are probably correct - I cannot stop it without help.
And it is all my fault, I see. I taught you this. OK........
Lets see what other perils await.
Global warming , did religion do that? NO.
millions of people being left homeless by earthquakes ,
did religion do that. ??? no
Hurricanes ?? NO
Drought and crop failures .. NO
Population explosion ??? NO
When the majority of people become jobless, homeless, and hungry ??? All hell is gonna break loose.
Did religion do that? NO
The majority of these people will be religious so there is your excuse to blame everything on religious people.
You are intelligent enough to know that it doesn't matter how much help we get. we are not going to be able to stop what is going to happen any more than you can stop the earth from revolving around the sun.
Was it written beforehand that we were going to do this to ourselves YES !
Is it written that religion will die? Yes
So, even if you could kill religion you would be fulfilling its prophesy.
I wish I had better news.
You have no news at all Jerami - as we both agree - you have given up. Like wot god sed.
Good for you. Not even sure why you bother discussing it actually - what are you trying to do? Seeing as there is nothing to stop it.
Just want to make sure us plebs know wot god sed?
It is sad. Someday you may be old and facing death and you will still be thinking this is all coming.
It isn't, but you will have wasted your life because of it.
In another thread you asked about "crazy". Take heed.
People will fight regardless of their belief or lack thereof in a god/God/goddess/FSM ... You don't believe and yet you're always spoiling for a good fight. (One of your more endearing qualities ) If you believed in God you'd fight for it every bit as hard as you do now against it. (Again a source of grudging admiration
)
So, fights will occur regardless...
Well, I have agree with you there. Of course that pre-supposes having people hate you is a "bad thing" ... which may or may not be the case. Seems to me that disagreement about religion and politics are simply one of the most common sources of hate. The general theory is that "if everybody just agreed with me, I wouldn't have to hate them..." The trouble is not everybody sees things my way ... *sigh* ...
Even without religion, there would still be politics ... so hatred would continue.
Final? Probably not. But yes, having an opinion will cause conflict with anybody of a different opinion.
And of course, "they" are always to blame. ("They" are of course, "them" who are "not us" and "THEY" are always bad.)
Why is it? You know why. Didn't the Bible say it would be this way? They are fullfilling prophecy. " Some" have read the script and claimed their part.
Scoffers, mockers, haters of the word. They can't just let you enjoy your faith. They want to bring ya down. You know better. Ya won't let them do it.
Love ya bro
We ALL need to be nice. I don't need to be Christian, I don't need to believe in any creator or gods, I just need to be a decent human being.
Many non-religious people identify as Humanists and the Humanist Manifesto (which you can find at http://www.americanhumanist.org/Who_We_ … anifesto_I and other places) nicely expresses our beliefs.
but when believers of God try to get on a forum to discuss thier beliefs in God there is always people jumping in trying to get the subject changed or start talking how they are wrong. I do agree with you the world would be a better place if we all, no matter what they believe would be nice and respect other's beliefs
If believers are discussing their belief in God, why are others jumping in to tell them of their non belief, They are discussing their own beliefs in their God
Good mornig ..exorter
HP is a a good place to hear different opinions and belief systems.
Unfortunately there are a few that wished to drownd out all others; other than their own.
exorter, this question seems to pop up alot....not just here but everywhere there is a 'discussion' forum that involves religion. Why do sceptics argue with believers..as though they had no business doing it? Well I think American journalist HL Mencken answered it well:
'True enough, even a superstitious man has certain inalienable rights. He has a right to harbor and indulge his beliefs as long as he pleases, provided only he does not try to inflict them upon other men by force. He has a right to argue for them as eloquently as he can, in season and out of season. He has a right to teach them to his children. But certainly he has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred. He has no right to preach them without challenge.'
So..in other words, why not?
HL Mencken made a very eloquent statement.
And as you say, Why not?
No offense intended, But May I ask ?
There are no laws against pulling wings off of butterflies, or focusing sunlight through a magnifying glass to turn little ants into a puff of smoke.. And I ask,
Why would a person do that? and why shouldn't he?
So - here you are spreading your hate mongering belief system that causes nothing but fights - as we can see by reading any history book - or even these forums - which are littered with fights amongst believers of different cults.
Why?
When you know full well it will cause fights and ill will.
Why do you do it?
Jerami, I think your analogy is a bit dodgy... we're talking ideas here ...but if you're asking me why someone would want to challenge a religious belief, one reason might be that the challenger sees a falsehood, a contradiction, an outrageous claim or a gaping logical hole that deserves to be exposed.
Maybe part of the sensitivity believers feel about being challenged is that for a long time religion has had a free pass from direct confrontational criticism..there's been this idea that spiritual beliefs should be quietly 'respected' and the toes of it's ideology shouldn't be troddon on. Yet..religion is really just a set of ideas....shouldn't all ideas be open to challenge?
Unlike gratuitously pulling the wings off a butterfly, being concerned about whether an idea is flawed or not actually serves a purpose...it's supposed to get us closer to truth.
I concur with your statement as posted above..... How ever a 24-7, 360 day a year filibuster preventing any free speach, isn't any more appropriate than 1600 years of religious tyranny.
To become as bad or worse than the enemy in order to defeat it should not in any sense be considered to be a victory.
You equate telling you the truth about your silly religious beliefs to torturing butterflies?????
NO I am equating your concept of truth to be equal to everyone else's.
I equate Marks wisdom to be equal to everyone else's.
No where near the position of grandeur that he thinks that it deserves.
I am growing weary of talking to a brick wall that has no ears.
just to play devil's advocate here.. how many brick walls DO have ears??
I hear and understand you Jerami.
I disagree with you. I know - hard concept to grasp. I thoink your treligion is a bad thing. It causes arguments and fights and wars and hatred.
Any religion - not just yours (which you do not have).
How long before people start shooting each other over this edifice to the Invisible Super Being that is not the same as the Christian Invisible Super Daddy near the Twin Tower wreckage in New York?
And you are easing the tensions "HOW"
By increasing the ill over here, far away from where the real battle is going on.
The three major religions "are" bringing the leaders of the earth to the brink of destruction. And you are doing what?? You should be proud!
Time well spent ??????? Really ?
If you were not so closed minded I could show you where prophesy was fulfilled in the first century. Seven seals.
Prophesy (7 trumpets) was fulfilled in the 6Th and 7Th century.
And the first vial was opened with the outbreak of the bubonic plague. The sixth vial was poured out with WW1.
You subconsciously know this and are Pi--ed off at the world.
That is understandable. You can be angry with God, But you are doing nothing by attacking the helpless.
Go ahead... kick up a lot of sand, shake your fist, and curse God.
The sand is washing out from under your feet, You know that your time is short. Deny it all that you will, that won't stop the rain.
Dear me.
I am not cursing god. God does not exist.
You having given up and decided that it is not worth doing anything about and shouting at me is the problem.
Seriously - drop this garbage that it is all written down and it is not worth trying to make a difference and spend your energy working towards a solution instead of this negative stuff.
The first step is to drop the god nonsense, take control of your own thoughts and decide to make a difference. You cannot do that with this rubbish in your head.
Really. I am being closed minded - by not listening to the doomsday scenario?
Sure _ I agree with you - we should consume everything and not leave our children with anything - as it has been prophesied.
Lemme play nobody-in-particular's advocate.
Mark, what do you say when you hit yourself on the finger with a hammer?
Do you ever say "G*d d*mn it" when you're angry?
Serious question, not baiting. I'm just curious how many atheists, agnostics, non-theists, &c say stuff like that when they're angry or frustrated, or offer up an eye-rolling "Jesus Christ" when they're annoyed.
I make no hypothesis about what one answer or the other means, but I do predict that most nonbelievers make routine use of those kinds of phrases.
I try not to - but I admit I have been culturally conditioned in this area. Jesus Krist! is a normal expression that was drilled into me from a young age.
But I am trying hard to break the conditioning.
Oh-oh. He is one of THOSE!
The world will end soon!
Except if it doesn't, of course. And it won't.
What then?
You are one of those that must not have taken grammer in school.
I never said that the world is coming to an end!
Because I say that prophesy is being fulilled right before our eys... You project what you believe that to mean upon me.
There is a lot of that going on these days.
Sure there is. Jaysus is coming!
Except he never has and never will.
"You are one of those that must not have taken grammer in school."
Er...it's "grammar." With an A. Just sayin'.
Again, I wonder how the "nonbelievers" active on hubpages can walk through the religious section of a book store without going into a tirade about what they don't believe in.
The same rights nonbelievers have to voice their opinion also grants a believers right to voice their opinion.
Hate is still hate, being rude is still being rude.
Yes - I agree. Tirades are limited to non believers in that case? Interesting. Good to see you still with us in this vale of tears.
I can peruse the religious forums and bypass threads about other religions without stopping in to tell participants what I think. Seems to be a maturity issue rather than a religious freedom issue. Just because a few hubbers try to have a religious conversation it shouldn't be construed as an invitation to wage war.
Whether the oppotunity is face to face conversation, an online forum thread or bypassing books on humanism - I would be hateful and rude to jump in and preach. Need a mirror?
Yes, I am still here and preparing for surgeries. Hopefully I will feel well sometime soon
I think this is very well said.
I wonder whether the atheists, agnostics, non-believers, or whoever else ever start forum threads to discuss their beliefs with one another (or should I say their "certainties" ?). I wonder, if they did, how many people of various religious faiths would jump in to "set them straight." Perhaps this has happened? I don't know.
My atheist friends out there, what is your opinion or experience?
When you say atheists, do you mean all the people who don't believe in your sky fairy? Atheists don't have a religion.
We don't bother to talk about it. We just assume the other person, if not a religious fanatic will never mention beliefs in fairies and embarrass themselves by showing such ignorance.
Yeah, it happens all the time.Just peruse the Atheist forums and see.
Basically, a lot of people have to be "right" whether they are or not and to convince other people of their rightness.
In reality, this has nothing to do with existence or non-existence of God ... as h.a. says, it's a matter of maturity.
What is an atheist forum?
Not believing in fairies in the sky who run our lives does not require a forum.
Well, I guess I could have researched before I asked, couldn't I? [I'm wiping my shoes off right now....]
Weeellllll, e.h. my friend, that would be one of the HubPages forums where you are listed as the third most active contributor .
Most Active in this Forum (Atheism & Agnosticism) - 71 topics
paarsurrey
Cagsil
earnestshub
pisean282311
Jerami
Rishy Rich
Diane Inside
Mark Knowles
Ohma
kimberlyslyrics
Interestingly enough, here are the most active contributors in the Christianity forum:
Most Active in this Forum
(Christianity, the Bible and Jesus) - 466 topics
earnestshub
stoneyy
brotheryochanan
Beelzedad
Cagsil
Jerami
stilljustwonderin
Mark Knowles
haj3396
pisean282311
Of course, not having a religion and not discussing beliefs are two different issues. Or not?
As usual, the truth is out there, but you can't handle the truth.
The list consists of a past abusive sock puppet who is now suddenly a peaceful muslim.
He puts up the threads. I know who he is and his real agenda, and have for over a year.
On the other list, is a fundamentalist who tells unbelievers in his nonsense that they will all enjoy going to hell.
He puts up most of these threads.
Never let the facts distort a good story eh?
Oh earnest, I actually am chuckling. I know about paarsurrey, and I honestly get amused to see the things he posts. I don't know about his past account names, and I wasn't around at the time (apparently, as far as I know) when he was posting under another name.
And no, I haven't gone into each one of the 71 "Atheism and Agnosticism" forums or each one of the others in the Religion and Philosophy subdivision to see what the issues are and what this person or that person is saying about them, even though I do browse occasionally out of curiosity. As a matter of fact, I have tended to stay out of the religious forums for most of the time I've been here, but in the last 24 hours or so, I've done the opposite and commented a lot. I know that what I say is extremely unlikely to influence any of y'all, just as the things y'all say are extremely unlikely to influence my beliefs. But I don't mind having a dialogue occasionally. I'll probably go hide under a rock again and write my music Hubs and spend too much time in the non-religious forum threads.
But as for saying I "can't handle the truth" and "Never let the facts distort a good story" - it's just good to know that my atheist friends and I do in fact have something in common.
What's to discuss? We don't believe in gods. Discussion over.
I wrote a series of Hubs about my Pagan beliefs even going as far as to highlight where, when and why mankind invended God... or to be more precise Gods.
I did it to draw attention to the fact that most religions, also invented by man, can only go back a few thousand years whereas Pagan beliefs pre date any and all religions and are the source of many religious stories including Virgin births, great floods, pillars of salt and many many more.
At the time I asked for comments and feedback and received quite a few... But the religious seemed to stay away in droves... I often wondered why !
Tough.
Get over it. We are trying to save people from religion.
Civility goes a long way when debating and communicating, but it is obviously not a trait shared by all.
You get bent out of shape I have an differing opinion, yet you have an agenda to "de evangelize" the people?
Get over it yourself
You don't understand the difference between a book store and a conversation?
Nobody is stopping you from saying anything you want. We respect your right to say it (unlike some religious forums which won't allow us to speak).
We simply do not respect your beliefs and are going to say so every single time you bring them up. Every single time. That's not rude, it's just our right to speak against your nonsense.
And we grow weary of your obvious religous agenda. Why don't you go to some Christian forum that only lets believers post? Why are you here? Are you spreading Invisible Pal's word? Trying to convert the heathens?
Or to sum up, Pcunix and Mark Knowles are very very bad men!
Well, I don't know about Mark, but I certainly must be.
Let's see, what evil things have I done so far today?
Ummm... none.
I'll be back later. Got some evil that needs doing.
I admit it. I did not do whatever it is god sed I was s'posed to today.
* hangs his head in mock shame *
INCLUDING but not limited to sending me my four f&^&%& dollars!
I sent the damn four dollars last week. If it did not get there, that is the will of Allah.
you see! you atheists are always passing the buck...
when you should be SENDING the (4) buck(s)
Talk to Allah - he is the all powerful supreme deity I blame for my failings this week.
i don't want the money in Muslem currancy.. i want it in Christian Euros since you live in France
Muslims don't use currency - their religion forbids it. No Muslim worth his salt would touch filthy Western lucre on the 367th day of the year - ever!
I do feel safer knowing they are the only two.
This $4 thing sounds like you're arguing who's gonna pay for the pizza delivery.
I just had that trouble a week or so ago. Dine in is better anyway.
Get him to send Euros. You'll be worth more if you do.
I am trying to be a fisher of men, but Mark is proving to be a cheap ass shark!
Not only will he not mentor me, he refuses to send me any $$ in reply to my threat to baptise him..
He keeps putting me off and claims that 'the cheque is in the mail'.
I feel like a teenager out on the 50th date with his girlfriend and I haven't even gotten so much as a #@%@%^@^ from her because she always has a 'head ache"
get on the pill and help me out here Mark!
Jane, thanks for that H.L. Mencken quote. Very well put.
Well, I'm sorry: you ARE wrong.
I understand you need this. I understand it comforts you. But it is nonsense and you can't expect people not to tell you that.
There are plenty of places on the web folks can visit if they only want to talk to like-minded people.
Hub pages if full of folks of all kinds of different religion and philosophies (or lack thereof). Since it's a public* place, anything we say here is going to be open for public scrutiny and public reply. That's part of what being public is. I recommend just not feeding the trolls.
*public in the sense that everyone is welcome and may stay as long as they abide by the HubPages ToS.
Jeff, us not feeding the trolls, in other words you are entitled to your opinion, but the rest of us should keep our opinion to ourselves and not discuss them here in the hubs
No, that's not what I said. You have the right to post what you want. So does everyone else. If someone is baiting you, I recommend ignoring them and going on with your conversation as if they hadn't posted. Someone else might engage with them, but you don't need to if you don't want to. That's another part of what an online forum is: you don't have to reply to posts that you don't think are worth your time.
Let's try not to put words in other people's mouths, shall we?
Here is a place in which non-believers will be banned for posing their views, perhaps this is what you're looking for:
http://www.christianforums.com/
sounds like you have a problem with us sharing our beliefs with each other, I do not recall telling anyone they have to believe
You are free to share your beliefs, however if you wish not to be challenged, then this site is not the place to be, that's why I suggested that Christian site, you will not be challenged by non-believers there.
I do not feel challenged here, for the truth is the truth, no matter what others say, I will check out the other christian site, I may learn something there
Being challenged, you'll learn a whole lot more here then there.
I hate to agree with Beelzedad on anything...
But ... I do agree with him this ... If you browse and stick around it does give you an opportunity to see what people who do not have your background, formal education, religious instruction, family and community background etc. are thinking.
In other words, this place is totally "other" ... and if my faith cannot stand up to "other" including the smug jibes and snickers up the sleeve, then it's really not faith. It's just trying to be right. That's why I stay.
Yes, there are things to learn on Christian forums from other Christians. And if that's what you want, I also agree with him that going elsewhere would be better for you.
If however, you are up to having your faith continually challenged and ridiculed, then this is the place. I would recommend growing a bit of a thick skin, though.
I agree also, perhaps having our faith challenged strengthens us in a way. Before I started driving a big truck, I was prone to road-rage. Having spent so much time on the road now, I have tempered myself so that gestures and comments of other drivers affect me less and I focus on my job.
beelzedad. I checked out the other Christian site, was not impressed
I could have told you that, too. But, it was certainly a place where your beliefs in Christianity wouldn't be challenged like they are here.
Stay here then and join the discussions if you don't mind your beliefs being challenged.
Mutual gratification clubs ain't very satisfying.
Give me a good knock down drag out any day.
Just kidding.. It is a good thing to hear "sumtin" new once in a while though.
It's all that name calling that makes me cry and loose sleep at night. I could do with out that.
I think I'll go back and get that address. Maybe they will like to hear about my preterits/historicist views.
Would that be worse over there than it is here?
It is when the non-believers put forward their arguments that you realize how there are people who would stop at nothing in order to put down the faithful. It sort of makes your belief stronger.
They are fundamentally nice people with a little less understanding in these matters and are intolerant. You must love them too
you must love them, but I do not have to like their ways
Jerami wrote:
HL Mencken made a very eloquent statement.
And as you say, Why not?
No offense intended, But May I ask ?
There are no laws against pulling wings off of butterflies, or focusing sunlight through a magnifying glass to turn little ants into a puff of smoke.. And I ask,
Why would a person do that? and why shouldn't he?
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Mark Knowles wrote
So - here you are spreading your hate mongering belief system that causes nothing but fights - as we can see by reading any history book - or even these forums - which are littered with fights amongst believers of different cults.
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What exactly do you find in my above statement to prompt such an unwarranted HATE attack ?
You sir appear to be the HATE Monger.
When you saw my name .... you just pulled one of your hate monger, one size fits all statements and threw it at me.
Before you even read my post, you already had your over used, tired old assault statement flying in my direction.
Ya missed. You really should consider finding some new material. You have been throwing this about for years.
Hate mongers should keep their arsenal up to date.
Simple - your belief system promotes hatred and causes conflicts.
You are spreading it and basically saying that anyone who speaks against it is "pulling the wings off butterflies" or "tyring to drown others out."
So - I ask you once again.
When you know full well your religion causes conflicts, wars, ill will and promotes hatred - why are you spreading it and defending it?
You do not understand that religion is not mine. It does not belong to me nor do I belong to it.
This seems to be a concept that you do not grasp.
You are too busy casting everyone that does not agree with you into a very small stereotype. Your way of dehumanizing them before you pull their wings off. Or attempt to make them disappear in a puff of smoke.
No - I am a realist - and honest. I am not hiding behind "it is not my religion," or "I didn't say it - god did." I know you happily pretend your religion never caused a fight.
If you like - I will rephrase it so you may be able to understand it better as you are obviously incapable of reading any history books or being honest with yourself:
When you know full well the ridiculous belief in a god causes conflicts, wars, ill will and promotes hatred - why are you spreading it and defending it?
You. You personally. No excuses. You know your belief - yours - causes arguments and fights. You.
Mark, you just opened my eyes, Hitler must have been a christian, at lest that must be your feelings about him
Hitler was a self-professed Christian - yes.
Same as you are.
Sounds more like Mark is stating a fact. Hitler was a self professed christian.
All that "I Am Preaching" to you about is that Hate Is Hate it don't matter what you are hateing. You are as bad as it is.
That is the only thing that I've been trying to convince "YOU" of. And If you are too closd minded, being caught up in your own "BRAND" of selfrighteousness, to see that
OH Well. Keep spreading your hate.
The problem with all these atheists and Godless folk is not that they keep interfering in Christian forums with their rude remarks and lack of respect...
The real issue is that none of their avatars are attractive to look at (from a heterosexual male's perspective, at least).
If I must be subjected to such blasphemies from these future occupants of Hell, then AT LEAST I should be able to look at a nice image whilst being so subjected.
Sorry Greek. I'd like to help out, but me in drag is not a pretty sight!
Hey... Mark was voted Mr. Universe in 1998. How can you say such thing?!
As long as you insist god dunnit all there will be people who ask awkward questions like "Which god would that be"?
"Who made this god again"? Is that the same benevolent god who got pi**ed one day and wiped out mankind"?
"Would this be the god who decides to kill all those who don't understand and interpret the "word"?
"Would this be the no-show sky fairy with the psychotic killing streak"?
You know, the sort of questions a sane person might ask after studying the "good book".
Don't all answer at once!
None of those questions are at all impertinent to anyone who is interested in an honest examination of their faith.
hello my friend, welcome to learn Chinese Christian culture, he he..
I am legalistic for religion, but the faith in Jesus is saving in all respects.
I think that both o yaul are just complainers.
On one thread ... Why is God letting little children die from cancer ? Why are so many people dieing in wars?
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another thread why is there not enough food to keep the all those people from starving
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if God were to fix these problems ??.. in a couple of years you would be saying ... why did God make such a small planet there is no place to lay down.
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If act; it should be US telling god why WE let all of that happen. He left us here to tend to it and look what we did with it?
You burned the biscuits and complain cause you say God let you turn the oven up too high.
Mark .. the biscuits are already burned. Too late to turn back the clock. But even if we could/,, we'd just burn um again.
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You acuse me of complaciency! Yea, Yea maybe I am?
Cause I know what we are like. And we can't do any bettr in the future than what we have done in the past.
I at least believe that I got a bus ticket outa this town.
Any hope is better than none.
Want to share my ticket with me? I'll let cha
I hear we'r having cold beer and BBQ when we get thre!
I would like to hear some views about Anne Rice's recent remarks about the Catholic Church as anti-gay, feminist, etc. to quote her own words in her facebook account, she said:
"As I said below, I quit being a Christian. I'm out. In the name of Christ, I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life. In the name of Christ, I quit Christianity and being Christian. Amen."
by M. T. Dremer 10 years ago
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by Emile R 11 years ago
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