Religion is dead…stepped over and left behind by educated thinkers…remaining remnants left standing continue to crumble as last of non-thinkers roll back into earth’s dust, water and atmosphere, non-thinkers heaven. The truth hurts.
No, it doesn't - the comments are merely your opinion.
Agreed that 'religion' is to become dead and not practiced.
How ever, 'religion' MUST be revealed for what it is and for what it is not.
The simple fact that many people "believe" or have "faith", in a non-existent 'god', makes absolutely no logical sense.
Yes, faith- allows you to believe in whatever you want, but if you don't spend most of your life inside reality and more time in a non-reality place, then you're most likely to miss out on your life and it's meaning(a real purpose, which worshipping a 'god' is not a real purpose, because it's based on imaginary characters you've created in your mind.)
The 'way' you form your belief is due to a lack of knowledge and understanding you have on life itself. And, the FACT that you don't see it, is not much of a surprise.
@ Valerie F.
You are correct - religion is NOT superstition.
Religion is a CORE belief which allows one to obtain or attain, "Enlightenment" and nothing more.
Enlightenment is Consciousness, to be one with oneself.
Is this truth or your opinion? Thanks for the invite
"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
Some believe the idea of God died in the Holocaust.
I'd suspect a certain notion of religion and God died, but as this thread is testimony to, for many hiding out in their caves, this is not so.
Friedrich Nietzsche- a true humanist/nihilist went insane. He unfortunately is a prime example of a life with no God.
Maybe so...for his biography.
His ideas are not at odds with God, however, just the notion of God brought forward, I believe, with the Christian thinkers at the end of the Classical period who wanted to meld human ethics teaching to the notion of the divine.
And of course, we all know that Christians never go insane or suffer any sort of mental illness...
I am a little confused. Wouldn't earth's dust, water and atmosphere be elements that "educated thinkers" believe in? A "non thinkers" heaven would be with GOD wouldn't it?
I am told that the saved will walk on the ashes of the wicked. Is that what you are talking about?
Do you believe everything you are told, as tho it's facts?
At that time, you will put these wretched non-believers in their place. Arrogance beyond belief!
And you think praying to a christian god exempts you from the status of "wicked"? Oh how naive religionists are...
I don't know if the ignorant join the wicked. we'll find out.
Find out what? After you dead?
You'll learn nothing after you're dead. Your brain stops working and you are gone. No thoughts, No actions, no nothing.
Your question is irrelevant. If I had died before, then I would be here talking to you.
Keep it real people.
That's right, so you don't know. Keep that real!
I think its a perfectly relevant question. Its like a person who has never been shot by a bullet saying he knows what it feels like to be shot by a bullet.
However you are correct when it comes to dieing. We do not know anything when we are dead, we are "asleep" that is until Jesus comes comes back to redeem us.
But, how do you know it's correct about dying?
You've never been dead, have you?
No I have not died, I have the Bible that tells me everything I need to know.
I do think for myself, I could decide that maybe you really do know what you are talking about but instead I am going to use my brain and free will, and I've come to the conclusion that you are wrong. Does that count as thinking for myself?
Impressive. I thought only independent free thinkers went against the bible.
Your conclusions are based on false information. If you need more, do the research. But you won't because you already think you have the answer for your life, when the truth is you don't.
Therefore, I leave you to your beliefs which are based on nothing.
Either way, have a nice day.
My beliefs are based on EVERYTHING! Are you kidding me? Your a little twisted here, your the one who doesnt believe in anything remember.
I believe in God, my creator, I believe in Jesus my saviour the one who died to save me, I believe in living life the way God would want me to (10 commandments) I believe in eternal life through Jesus I believe in a lot.
Are being serious? The Bible is NOT fact.
Take it out of the equation and what do you have? NOTHING!
Yada, yada, yada.
Again, if religion didn't exist. You wouldn't have your belief.
So there. Is that simple enough for you.
Come on people use some logic for once in your life.
And what do you have a bunch of theorys and scientists that dont even fully know what they believe, that keep going back on what they have said to be fact. hmmmmm......
That's right. Focus on the negative. Keep all positive thoughts out.
Science is not based on belief. Science is based on fact - which, let me explain, is information that can be independently verified.
Scientists don't base facts on what they believe, or what they can claim. They base facts on what can be proven.
What you present as "facts" from the bible are not facts at all unless they can be proven by a second source, independent of the bible.
Heya Jen! These threads are going too fast... I'm missing posts
How are you?
Cag, I know. I just can't explain how the bible is not fact any more times or my head will explode. (and this thread does suck )
I know right? this thread is on full throttle
I'm sure you heard that there is water on the moon...
Yay water on the moon now how can we use this development to argue the existence of God, that's the big question.
You can't, considering the MOON was created by Earth and debris.
It has as little to do with the argument as most of the things people use as "proof".
Whether you think it was created there or just wound up there, let's all just agree how cool it is
But I need to know or I will never be able to live my life without doubt anger and hesitation....oh wait I'm doing just fine without knowing for sure either way, back to life I guess
I have! did they ever figure out if he believed in Aristotle's God, or The Christian one, the last he said before the controversy of him going batty (allegedly) was that he could not agree upon the existence of a Christian/Jewish/Muslim God. What an interesting man, back and forth all the time. Just like me though he did believe that science and religion could co-exist and actually compliment each other.
Listing your beliefs does not stop them from being baseless.
Baseless? You really don't know, do you? The facts of the resurrection of Jesus Christ is overwhelming but you have a predisposed bias that keeps you in the dark. It’s ashame.
There are no facts to support that claim. What don't you understand?
Really, besides the BROKEN ROMAN SEAL, EMPTY TOMB, JESUS' APPEARANCES CONFIRMED by OVER 500 WITNESSES and the millions of martyrs and historical record by Jews and pagans attesting to the life death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Take a lot faith to deny all of that.
How did you come to the conclusion that the resurrection of Jesus Christ was real?
No one saw it. It can not be accounted for from any conscious person. Even those who wrote about him, weren't conscious of their own life, nevermind anything else.
So, if you're depending on the bible. Again, you've made an assumption based on baseless facts.
And, it's YOU who is living in the dark. And, that's a real shame.
Cagsil of course those that witnessed the resurrected Jesus Christ and wrote about it were "conscious of their own life". If they weren't conscious of their own life then how do you think they wrote about it. They were as conscious of their own life as you or I am. They wrote a historical document of Jesus Christ which is the New Testament of the Holy Bible.
Do you believe that George Washington was the first President of the United States? How do you know that? Seeing you didn't live then you have to believe in historical documents and traditional word of mouth passed down through the ages. Just the same way Christians believe in the resurrected Jesus Christ, through historical documents and traditional word of mouth passed down through the ages. It's the same thing.
Ah...I wouldn't use the George Washington/Resurrection as a comparison. The plausibility of Washington being the first President of the United States is more realistic. While the resurrection, on the other hand, is supernatural.
I'm not downing your belief here...I just think it was a poor comparison.
The resurrection is happened whether we believe it or not.
No drej2522, it is an identical comparison. To not believe in the historical resurrected Jesus Christ is akin to not believing that George Washington was the first President of the United States. You can't prove either without the historical documents or the traditional word of mouth (examples: the Bible and historical record of George Washington). It's the same thing.
That's a new argument, never heard that one before. I believe a man named Jesus probably existed but I have trouble believing in the resurrection.
I have a much easier time accepting valid documents from Washington's era than in Jesus' era.
Also, there is documentation of Washington's presidency from nations around the world, it's not just limited to the USA's version of history.
I disagree...it's not the same. One statement is a historical fact and the other is an interpretation. You can't intrepret George Washington being the 1st President of the United States. He just is. Jesus Christ's ressurrection is abstract and superfical, therefore it is subject to interpretation, whether it is true or not. Do you see the difference?
It's like believing in ghosts. There can be 20 eyewitnesses who say and record having seen a ghost. Does it make it true? Maybe. But I wouldn't compare it to President Obama being the first African American President of the United States.
No I don't see the difference at all. Eye witnesses historically recorded the resurrected Jesus Christ just the same way that eye witnesses historically recorded George Washington. It's the same thing. It's up to you and me whether we believe the historical record of both Jesus Christ or George Washington.
well, I don't know how to spell it out any better. We will agree to disagree here. (I hate that saying)...
Yeah there's no need to spell it out. We are at an impasse. Yep we'll just peacefully agree to disagree.
Have you ever heard of the rumor game? One person whispers a sentence into the next person's ear. That person repeats it with the next person. All in a row, the people take turns whispering the sentence until the very last person repeats it out loud.
It is NEVER the same sentence that it started out to be. My friends and I have tried. Just doesn't work.
Each person interprets it differently as they pass it on. We seriously try to make it work, we can't.
Spread this concept over 2000 years, across many different cultures, a story being reinterpreted as it is retold.
The resurrection story is not documented history. There is no verifiable source to it. It is a story.
Have you check the facts out for yourself? Or is that what you were told to think?
He was arguing that there was an historical account within the Gospels. But even the Apostles interpreted the resurrection differently. No ‘ONE’ view is exactly the same...which was my point. There is nothing to interpret in George Washington being the 1st OFFICIAL (ahem, thanks for that clarification Cagsil) President of the United States. It was an event that took place, with no room for insight or speculation. For IF it was questionable, wouldn't we have heard arguments about Washington's inauguration?
You don't see a difference?
How can you not see the difference?
The BIBLE isn't proven to have any kind of facts in it. That includes your so-called 'eye-witness' accounts.
What part do you not understand- the BIBLE isn't right.
Reality says it's wrong.
Science says it's wrong.
Yet, you foolishly follow it. Everything in Life points to it being wrong, even that feeling you have DEEP inside you.
If YOU can't explain it to yourself and make yourself 100% believe it, then why do this?
It is IMPOSSIBLE for a human being to 'believe' or put 'faith' in 100% of something that they know isn't real. If you were 100% completely and totally to have 'belief' or 'faith' in something that wasn't real- then you wouldn't be able to tell between real things and not real things. Plus, since you are directly going against the nature of being human, you would die much more quickly. Just from the stress you are putting on your body and your mind.
Your consciousness, your conscience and your sub-conscious, will NEVER be completely bought on the story you told it.
So, stop lying to yourself.
This debate as far as I am concerned it over with.
You have your proof- look at the doubt, which is so obvious that you have- you hoping for it to be true, DOES NOT make it true.
Keep it real people.
Hey I'm having a ball Cagsil. Psst, did you hear that George Washington was not the first President of the United States. Pass it on.
well the problem with historical documents is that not every country or cultures has the same point of view about what happened. therefore, if you went to london, some historians over there claim that the king of england appointed george washington as president, versus our view of him being elected unanymously into office. therefore, historical documents can be faked or possibly forged. hence the term, "history is written by the winners."
take christopher columbus discovering america. he didn't discover it. there were people already living peacefully there, so how could he discover it? then later its written that the americans made peace with the indians on thanksgiving. however, in college, i had a history teacher that told me that version of history is only taught in america. where as if you were to do research on it, the very next week after the indians had thanksgiving with the pilgrims, they were killed for not wanting to convert to christianity. plus, that wasn't the first thanksgiving either, as thanksgiving was a annual event the indians celebrated and invited the pilgrims to. however, since the pilgrims and settlers wiped out the indians over time, their history is skewed by america claiming that was the first thanksgiving when it wasn't. therefore, historical documents could be changed.
Dead on stevie nix.
Thanksgiving is for football, the story behind it is BS. Columbus day too.
Regarding whether Washington was appointed or elected, there is no dispute that he was president just the same. There is enough documentation and evidence that his presidency happened, regardless of the interpretations.
The first thanksgiving dinner and the resurrection are in the same chapter of my book
A nice story, to make you smile. Nothing more.
That's okay. I find the entire argument baseless.
Not because of what you have stated, but the fact that George Washington WAS NOT the first President of the United States.
He was the First OFFICIAL President of the United States, which is backed up THOUSANDS of documentation of his administration, which were handled by his entire staff. It is FACTUAL!
The so-called "Resurrection" can only be accounted for by religion. Thus, NO FACTS!
Again, Thank You for playing.
The question became extremely relevant when you stated- "You'll learn nothing after you're dead. Your brain stops working and you are gone. No thoughts, No actions, no nothing.
Please put the pipe down. please.
It certainly is dead to those who want it dead. And it certainly is very much alive in those who want it alive.
"Educated" and "thinkers" include believers and non-believers.
It's not all one way or the other. It's more like dusk where light and dark intermingle and there is not fine line between absolute light and absolute dark.
Apparently I read in papers that more educated people are turning to religion each day. Haven't heard any news of the opposite though so far. Would love to see the individual statistics to identify and establish the trend
Well, if you read it in the papers, it must be true.
More educated people are rejecting your ridiculous beliefs every day.
Too bad huh?
What difference does it make to you if people are beginning to reject your irrational belief system? Do you not have a "personal relationship with god"? Lololollololo
I think you've missed the point. Where are the facts that you refer too? That was the question.
It might be better if YOU could present some REAL facts about your "GOD", because none exists.
And, Yes, I know you have your bible- THAT IS NOT FACTS!
Brilliant Babe - this is nauseating at best :
How quickly you jump to conclusions. Just the facts, that's all that was asked.
Exactly, and the BIBLE provides NO FACTS!
Who is jumping to conclusions? YOU ARE!
If you don't want to see that or refuse to see that then it is your own fault.
Don't blame me.
I don't blame you for anything. You appear to be confused. I've not mentioned the bible. Again, where are your facts so that people who are interested in reading them can. If you don't want to share your facts with others who are looking for an honest debate, then one has to assume they don't exist.
You thinking is a little off kilter?
You're looking for Facts of what?
I don't have to prove GOD don't exist.
You have prove he does exist.
Science says - He is NON-existent.
The science you are talking about has 200 years of cleanup to do- but when they discover their "facts" are not acurate, they usaully don't tell YOU.
Thank you again for your input.
I'm just trying to motivate you to do a little research about this "science"
I'm not trying to prove he exists. What science text, magazine, periodical are you referring too? I've asked for direction and you have given none. Pontification, no substance.
I'm not trying to prove he exists. What science text, magazine, periodical are you referring too? I've asked for direction and you have given none. Pontification, no substance.
So - you agree?
There is no god?
No science journal will attempt to prove a negative. This is impossible. There ar eno facts to prove or disprove a god. In fact - I think we can all agree - there is no such thing. Good.
Pascal's Wager basically put...
If you believe there is a Creator, and He exists, you gain everything. If you believe, as the marxists do, that there is no God, and God exists, you lose everything, not only after this life, but also during this life; including your right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
That is an altruistic notion that went out centuries ago.
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is an illusion given to people, so they will be obedient.
Did it work? Don't people still break laws even with the consequences known? The entire "Religion to control masses" line is illogical at best because people still do horrible things. You again speak of facts and I have yet to see you present any. Just long ramblings of a so called enlightened mind.
No it actually made things worse, but you don't see that.
And, you also don't see that anything outside our own reality isn't healthy for your own existence.
The reason you don't see either of those is because your faith in religious beliefs have blinded you by the truth.
The problem is people know that they are conscious beings, but refuse to do what's in their nature.
They create dishonest, deceitful things, which are against their own nature. Why? Because, they don't understand their own life.
Yes these facts you keep rambling about.
ohh don't encourage her. She writes double spaced novels that make a 3 page forum turn into 20.
You might want to get your gender straight nitwit.
What made you think I was female?
Then what are you trying to do?
All the fact you require are located in science, philosophy, physiology and reality.
What more do you want?
"GOD" by definition, in the bible/religion/religious text, doesn't live in reality.
That's should be enough proof.
A book with factual evidence. Yes.
The Bible isn't factual evidence.
Your Factual information is second hand, unless you've run these theorems and resultant experiments yourself side-by-side with oh, I don't know, Darwin, perhaps?
And you ran them side by side with.. oh.. god?
Let's not go there. Evolution is a proven fact, supported by Human Beings having consciousness.
End of that story.
wow, I would say that argues against evolution. I would never debate this with you however. It's like- winning is inevitable but theres no prize.
The fact that there is no god is reality. Your burden is to prove to us that, somehow, reality is flawed.
Shades of Gray...sad that you deny education.
Religion defies logic in many ways. It makes no sense that it still exists in the Twenty-First century, and in light of all the education and advances in science. At this time in man's evolution he is still not ready to stop relying on superstition for guidance. Baffling!!!
The thing that bothers most is that its not going away. Even in the 21'st century.
Voltaire- "Another century and there will not be a Bible on earth!"
This was written in the 1700's and he was a sharper fool than most in here.
Sharper fool than most in here?
Are you basing your knowledge by what exactly? Your own interpretations? What else is new.
It only accounts for your lack of knowledge and doesn't do anything those who have an understanding of life.
If you're planning on calling people 'fools', be sure to look in the mirror for judgement of thyself.
I'm sure his active brain matter was twice that of your Cag. what a waste of a mind.
WELL! That's a statement guaranteed to get you a lot of feedback. Can't wait to see what happens.
But just a note, there is a difference in religion versus faith. Which are you referencing?
Superstition is a credulous belief or notion, not based on reason, knowledge, or experience. The word is often used pejoratively to refer to folk beliefs deemed irrational.
Can't people just be spiritual, why do we have to keep wasting time with religion fourums - it's weird in this kind of community and everyone has there own beliefs so where does the need come from to announce it?
I suppose its because many want it to die. Asking for the sky to fall in would be easier.
Defensiveness from those who belief, to justify their own belief system.
They already have doubt, but they are trying to push that doubt out of the way, so they can believe themselves better than most.
When the truth remains- their individual attacks on those who don't believe, are damaging themselves without even realizing it.
A TRUE believer needs not defend their position.
Either way, none of them can argue from an offensive position, because their so-called 'facts' are illusions and nothing more.
From what's learned, it's been the case for a long time now.
Hmm, I thought that I was gonna get a response from Cagsil with my last posting. I must be getting rusty.....
sigh. can I have that soapbox back now. You said you were only gonna use it for a couple of days.....
Sure, I'll give it back to you, I built a better one.
Your religions kill and cause death. Death to the spirit, death the Earth, death to the masses, death to the god you call God, Death, death, death, death, death and more death.
Fear, fear death, don't fear death fear death. Die, stone them, hang them, burn them, don't murder them just kill them. Kill, kill, kill, kill says the good works of the Lord!!!
Kill or be killed. Turn the other cheek he says... kill then yourself. Suicide, kill, murder, death.
A dead god, a living dead god. A zombie who manifest in the night so that he appears as the light. It hides quietly under your bed listening to your prayers.
Dear God, if you can hear me, forgive me for my trespasses but when oh when Good Lord will you come to do as you said you should do? How much longer shall I suffer with the unbelievers, the idolaters, those who worship death, Satan, the deceived.
Put your hand on me and let me do your works. It is your will my Lord. Because I am faithful, I shall overcome. I will kill with love in my heart. I shall die burdened and sufferable.
My death is like yours. Please Oh Heavenly Father, let me be crucified as your son. Allow me to be the atonement for the unbelievers. Because death is the only way to life through the grace of your son whom you made the sacrificial lamb so that us worthless idolaters shall be saved from the mess created by our own hands!
We are not good enough to be made the sacrificial lambs, we are sinners and not worthy but Christ was made perfect therefore the death of the innocent represents your true way oh Lord.
Forgive them Oh Lord for they do not understand...
Is this supposed to have some meaning? I think you were trying to be deep, but made no sense.
Some believe in God, others don't. What's the argument anyhow?
there's not one. I'm using the strike then wait.... then laugh tactics right now.
more senseless novels coming up.
The argument is HOW people think?
I would of thought that would be obvious to one such as yourself.
Cagsil ----> Shooting into the dark.....?
So, wait? There is a God or there isn't a God? I'm so confused.
Theres something quite masochistic about these arguments. Everyone knows noone is going to change their mind. It worries me that I enjoy them so much.
Just got home from working, read this and just gotta comment! Region is gettin weaker- There is a God and the Real kind of Belief in Him is gettin stronger,
Yea for OUR Team !!! Everybody got a definition of Religion. This is a totally diffrent thang than everyone's definition of A creator. The creator's name is GOD regardless of Denomination. Denominations need to die so that GOD can better be seen.
I think that the arguments that Atheists are bringing to the forefront are convincing many religious people to drop the religious worship and worship the true god,
Thank you Atheists!!! You are doing Gods work; scaring them outa religiosity back home to God WORSHIP
Many thanks to the Atheists.
I think the point I was attempting to make is that one theory is not an absolute. As someone said earlier: when one is that convinced of their belief as absolute it then slides into Dogma.
Cagsil - I'm not goint to take the bait. You are so orbital that it wouldn't make a lick a sense for me to hop on your short bus. sorry. really
Really, you would be ignorant to think that MANKIND was always a conscious race.
And, that's why you've got limited vision.
But, thanks again for your input.
"Those who seek guidance, know not what their mind is for."
Before you can use your mind, you must realize you have one.
Well, when you realize that you have one, you get back to me.
It's not like I didn't see that coming, when I said what I said.
then that was a self inflicted blow.
It is in human nature to see things before do them, therefore an outcome is already known.
I think you insult yourself by explaining what we already clearly know.
Explain what we already know?
For knowing something so simple, many are blind to it.
How can you know of something when you don't know something is wrong?
Sometimes you just set yourself up for it. No need to take it personal, I'm an equal opportunity kinda person.
Denying the existence of God wont make him disappear.
Denying the existence of God won't make him disappear.
You've obviously miss the use of your eyes, hands, ears, mind, nose and basically your own existence, to say something that ignorant.
yea, but you can't see, feel, hear, or touch air, so how do you know that even exists? plus, have you ever seen a million dollars? let alone a billion. if not, then how do you know that a million dollars or even a billion exist, because you see guys like trump and bill gates on tv or news articles. for all you know, that could be a lie perpetrated by the media. although, that's not what i feel because i do believe that a million and a billion of dollars exist as do i believe in air and god. i was just throwing that out as an example.
just because you can't see, feel, hear, or smell something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. do you honestly believe that out of the billions upon billions of planets upon the billion upon billions of stars, we're truly the only life form out there? plus, scientists have already proven that other dimensions do in fact exist, so who's to say that life might not exist in other dimensions, hmmm?
Actually, I have seen a million dollars. I've held a million dollars in my hand. I used to fill money cartridges for a Casino.
You can't hold a million dollars in your hand. sorry, I don't believe you. Maybe you passed a million dollars through your hands.
You make no sense.
I can see a $1.00 bill, so it is not inconceiveable to understand that someone could possess a MILLION or even a Billion of them.
The bills exist. That makes them real. GOD isn't real, therefore he doesn't exist.
Thought that was pretty easy to understand.
well my friend, as morpheus said in the matrix, "if your perception of reality is based on what you can see, touch, feel, smell, or hear, then all reality is to you is optic nerve signals triggered by your brain."
Sorry to disappoint you, but I deal in factual evidence of our reality.
Reality is all knowable.
The Matrix was a movie, with characters. Trying to shadow(cover) up what I said is pretty ridiculous.
I didn't use the word 'perception'. I said it was not inconceiveable to understand how 1 person could obtain that amount of money.
yes, how can you prove that we don't live in such a reality though? you would have no way to prove it or know it. plus, think about it, mankind technology hasn't evolved too much after the 1950's. sure, we've gotten the internet, cell phones, and more advanced upgrades on existing technology. however, we haven't evolved in society to where we have colonies up in space as it was projected or have flying cars or virtual reality. so for all you know a advanced computer could have a elaborate system of control to keep us from evolving too much technology wise.
There is a logical answer for WHY things have developed more over that last 50 years.
Direct result of religious B.S. influence stopping science and medical science from advancing forward.
And, that's factual truth.
I'm sure the fact that war is costing so danged much recently has nothing to do with that either.
Oh please, that's just a tactic to divert from the topic.
How is that so exactly? I've presented my point, where is your counterpoint?
What counter-point were you looking for?
We haven't been at war for 50 years or longer. Therefore, there is your counter-point.
hmmm...you might have a valid point there as it was once thought that embriotic cell research could be used to cure cancer and such. heck, some scientists believed that cloning and genetic engineering could've been used to replace internal organs, so organ donor ship wouldn't be necessary. therefore, i can see where you going with that one.
however, i don't believe science to be a contradiction of a creator. merely as a tool to explain how he created the universe and us. for if your truly an omnipotent being, then he could create us however he wanted.
Only morons, idiots and other people who have nothing to do with their time, instigate the oldest 'theologian' debate about a creator.
Universe came to be. How, defined by science.
Earth came to be. How, defined by science.
Mankind came to be. How, still being worked on by science.
Evolution was made a FACT. How, Human Consciousness!
How did the earth come to be...... by science? Can you explain, are you talking big bang theory? Im curious
That's why people research things. To answer questions.
If you don't know how the EARTH came to be. I suggest you go find out, besides reading a bible.
No, I am asking you. I know how the earth came to be, I want to know how you think the earth came to be. Big bang THEORY?
Don't worry- your false theory is already taught in our public schools that I get to help fund. that's why I don't blame you completely. You just don't know any better.
No, it is you who is ignorant...... by choice! It's the religionists way.
You would be surprised by what I really know, compared to you.
And, I mean REAL facts about life.
I want to hear your fact on where life originated from?
I don't know the answer to 238 X 72. Can't give you that fact. Can't find my calculator.
But, I'm sure the answer isn't god.
Where is Life originated from?
Do you not know anything? Earth.
I really thought that one was extremely obvious.
Once again another insult but no "factual" answer.
How did I not answer your question.
Didn't humans originated on EARTH?
Or do you know something no one else in the world knows?
Do and Can you prove HUMANS exist elsewhere? NO! I didn't think so.
You silly rabbit how did the human body come into existance? From what? do you really not understand my question?
Again you are asking a question that is not part of our reality.
Science hasn't finished working on that particular subject.
But, thanks for playing.
It would take all the crack in Chicago to make me even start to think like you.
dude, what the heck your problem, im here trying to have a intellectual debate with you and your attacking my intelligence by calling me a moron. is this what you do to everyone that disagrees with you?
Yep, and it's shows lack on his part. If your only answer is name-calling you have no real answer.
Do you want me to call you a moron or an idiot?
Then keep up.
I said- only morons, idiots and others talk about this in that manner.
I didn't directly insult you. You did again.
Damn, there is nothing you don't see as an insult, when people disagree with you.
Was I addressing you in that post? No. If you want to debate anyone be respectful. I know you can't see respect, because it's immaterial, but trust me God gave you the ability to show it.
Thetruthhurts- why don't you put up some FACTS yourself.
Otherwise, everything you say is simply conjecture and useless because of the facts achieve by mankind, which you so graciously ignore.
How nice of you.
And, you're no better than Steven. I didn't directly insult anyonoe. That's his perception.
FACT- An explosion can't create order. Try blowing up a printing press and see if you get a library. So the idea of the big bang creating such order and complexity is illogical.
WOW! Great retort, but no facts, how odd.
You can't turn things on me.
The point you're continuing to miss.
I argue from the point- Science has defined reality, the existence of the universe and the existence of earth.
Science hasn't defined GOD - therefore it doesn't exist.
Yet, you claim it does. But, YOU have no facts to support your own belief.
If you are looking for facts. I already suggest you go do the research.
What part did you not catch?
You also fail to grasp the correct method for logical thought. I'm sorry, I cannot help you. That's your problem.
You must believe in facts only.
You cannot take "non-real" things and then expect facts to prove you wrong, even though you say their real.
That would mean I could say "SUPERMAN" really exists. Prove me wrong?
It's just dumb.
That's just dumb.
All you ever do when someone gives you a fact is insult them, is that because you know its right?
yes, most people of less than average intelligence feel often threaten when they have no counter arguement to someone else. instead of offering a challenging an intellectual debate, he/she chooses to insult others that have beliefs that contradict their own. thus, causing themselves to feel anger and hostility, two of the key signs of a weak intellect.
I admit no such thing. Your assumption has already drawn your conclusion that I am. So, why buck your assumption.
You build your entire life on assumptions. So why should I stop you now.
You not worth of my time any longer. Say what you want.
oh excuse me your excellency. i never realized how HUGE of an ego your weak mind had.
And you crack, shows how you can be so stupid to go against your own belief.
You make no sense.
no, i just don't care to be called a moron or stupid just for trying to have an intellectual debate thats all. if you were really as highly evolved as you claim to be your excellency, you'd apologize to me
It would be nice if I actually called you a moron.
If you would like I will.
You're a moron.!
Okay, there I said. Are you happy now that I've actually done it.
You've been accusing me of doing it and I hadn't.
What part did you not catch?
The argument you bring(creator) isn't an argument. It is way for religion to claim it's rights, without needing proof.
The facts are in science and things which we CAN prove.
Not in false things that don't exist in reality.
I hope you're happy now.
yes, but you have implied it on several other forums in which you questioned and called me an idiot countlessly. in fact, i wasn't so nice, i'd report you for insulting me.
If you are referencing the other day in the forum.
Again, you still don't realize you didn't anything wrong?
I was giving you credit for being smarter than that, but I guess it I was wrong.
There you have it- CAGSIL is wrong about something.
look buddy, why don't you enlighten me then, since you seem to be so high and mighty.
The simple fact that you over-stepped your bounds, when you decided that it would be appropiate for you to question my actions.
My actions are irrelevant to you or your life, especially considering I wasn't talking to you to begin with.
This is in reference to the other forum we were in and you jumped on me, for asking a question of someone who isn't you.
It was none of your business and you should have stayed out of it.
Plain and simple.
How can one believe in god and support science also.
Easy, you must try it. The most ingenious men and woman who ever lived were Christians. Isaac Newton, Raymond V. Damadian most of the founding fathers.
"and most of our founding fathers"???...Wrong...Wrong...and Wrong...You might want to read some "hard" history rather than religious bias and false history.
Really, give me a lesson, back up that statement. For you start with The Declaration of Independence.
The man that wrote the U.S. constitution (Jefferson) tore out the greater part of the bible in an effort to make some sense out of it...He was never convinced that is was anything other than lies and fraud invented by priesthood.
It's a complete and total fact.
His "bible" is in the Smithsonian.
Yes it does make him disappear. That's exactly what it does.
There is no denying the existence,
because there is no existence to deny.
We're not walking around with our eyes squeezed shut and hands over ears, yelling LA LA LA LA, trying to ignore god.
You can't deny something that doesn't even exist.
Not me too?
Let me introduce myself: I'm Jen. Atheist.
I do believe in sheep though. I do, I do, I do...
I refinanced my truck today. Got two good leads on some part time work. So, I'm smiling again
Wow! What a difference a day makes. I told God you needed a hand.
Oh, well, sorry to disappoint.
I got a hand from people who helped me out. Several from HP actually! thanks to everybody
If you get a warm fuzzy thinking god was involved, hey - cool with me
I appreciate the nice thoughts regardless.
Yeah, my humor tends to get me into trouble. But, honestly, I did hope for the best for you. God, well, he still owes me a favor from the last poker game we played.....
I did not say Ignore, I said Deny, and that is exactly what you guys do.
Deny: to state that (something declared or believed to be true) is not true.
Deny: to state that something believed to be true is not true.
That's my entire point.
It is not true. So, there is no denial.
He doesnt need to appear because he has never left us.
Oh my word this is about to get alot better.
How you been?
That's like shooting an AK-47 at an ant isn't it, there, Cags? Hmm? Maybe a little bit?.....(imagine Stewie voice)
In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen
Religion is dead?
Hardly. Just because there is a little communist atheist element in the United States that is desperately screaming their anti-christian propaganda it doesn't mean that it is true. There are 6 million new Christians coming into the church in Africa every year. The underground Christian church in China is growing dynamically. China may eventually become the country with the most Christians in fact. Christianity is growing all over the world. Soon it will have been taken to all peoples and nations. Do you know what will happen then?
My family did mission work in China. God is working there BIG TIME!
wow, very informative. thanks for the info
No...but i'll wager you're gonna tell us...propaganda seems to be your mission..."underground christian church in china"...that's what i'm talking about...the tunnel caved in and killed religion.
Hello MakeMoney...i have read much of your philosophy and I remain your humble servant. of course there may be some disagreements in our propaganda. I understand that you are a fine liberal in good standing.
I was waiting for you to ask. No I'm not going to tell you at all. You will have to read the Bible to find out just like everyone else has.
Well pylos26 if you remain my humble servant then get reading.
Cagsil's parents, obviously.
Must be an old-country name.
My name is Ray.
Cagsil is a screenname.
Hmmm...again thought that would be obvious to computer literate people.
But, I bet Cagsil was a name from your family tree, if you go back a few dozen generations. I'm sure of it. It sounds Latvian, maybe...
My name is actually Guinevere, but my Scottish immigrant family had the kind sense to use the modern American version.
Great, happy it has died. It killed a lot of people.
They will find other "reasons" TO KILL EACH OTHER THOUGH!
You mean like Pol Pot and Joseph Stalin....Oh wait they were evolutionary atheist. Get a history lesson and try again.
Yep...been dead for some time now...but you're right...freaks will continue to kill people in the name of jesus.
God does not exist simply because he always has. Mankind has always been frightened of dying, other men took advantage of that to enslave them in religion.
Is that truth or opinion only facts here.
This argument gets so old so quickly.
If you don't like the thread, then leave.
This wasn't necessary...was it?
Of course not. But, I'm sure it was to you, when you did it.
Stop poppin rounds off at your allies. I said this thread sucks because you can't teach a religious dog logical tricks...
Their answer will always be, "I base my beliefs off the FACT that the bible is True."
And that's what makes science so great. I like the quote from the movie Dogma here... War's are fought to change religion. Ideas can be changed in an instant. I'd much rather believe in something that I can change on a whim then on something that could be completely wrong, but refuses to admit it.
Yes He does.
No they haven't.
Are you afraid of dying earnestshub?
No they didn't.
I like these silly little arguments with no substance sometimes myself too.
Logic. Surely, you are not saying that I don't use logic in my counterpoints with you. Not logical, hmmmph.
"Again, if religion didn't exist. You wouldn't have your belief."
What was the Native Americans religion again, Catholic?
This is the sort of contradictory crud that made people realize it is all a crock.
Hypocrisy is everywhere when you know where to look for it.
Apologists always scream that text is "out of context" when you try to align what this tome says. Trouble is different religionists have different "context"
1. Whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery (Matthew 5:32, 19:9 & Luke 16:18).
2. "Whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery" (Matthew 5:32).
3. whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her" (Mark 10:11 & Luke 16:18), which applies to women as well (Mark 10:12).
4. So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder (Matthew 19:6 & Mark 10:9).
If someone was half as smart as they think that they are they would know how obnoxious they are. A teenager with a descent IQ of about 130 who's momma told um that they were the smartest thing EVER. She believed it and here we are listening to it.
Prometheus, act your age and not foolish.
I know what your beliefs are, I've been around long enough.
But, childish antics get nothing anywhere and waste space.
That was my point.
Hmm, what if there were a 'source', if you will of which people were not completely in comprehension? Would you call it a name or just deny it? Nonetheless, it would still be there.
Can it be verified? I don't mean to go all attack-science with that question...
But if you are saying that there is something that we are sure exists, but don't understand, then my answer is, I would not deny it at all.
If there was proof that a god exists, I would accept the proof, not deny it.
If you look to the bible for fact, you will only find storytelling. If you can verify these stories from sources other than the bible, that is something all together different.
If you look to the bible for spirituality, good for you! Be happy.
It’s human nature to follow the crowd, even when the crowd is clearly in error. The Bible says, “You shall not follow a crowd to do evil” (Exodus 23:2)
Gotta run, have a good night truthurts and all the other believers.
I am by the flurry of posts going back and forth. I thought I knew the teams but the lines get hazy sometimes.....
It's more like golf. No teams, just people gathering in little groups and having fun.
Can we all just get to the 19th hole already?
More like dodgeball, just take someone out and head for the line
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