isn't it just what i believe is "believe" and what others believe superstition? is isn't all religious beliefs just superstition?
Belief and superstition are related but not exactly the same.
Belief birth superstion.
Two persons may believe exactly the same thing, but only one has the truth understanding of it.
Now the one without understanding diverts into superstition
While the one with the understanding moves on into Faith.
Please explain a little more. The Atheists don't believe in the Creator-God; are they superstitious people?
It appears that "understanding" is another term for your personal delusion, as oppsed to another person's delusion.
Do not mistake, both are equally delusional and superstitious.
One can also move into faith in superstition as well.
I hope you can see that you have not excluded your own self from the cycle of delusion......
As for me I know the Truth.
Whether the belief is objective accurate/true.
Belief in anything that is not based on reality is superstition. All religion is superstition.
The difference between belief and superstition is experiences.
If you experience something it is a reality, you will believe it.
If you don't experience it, then it is only hear say and with out proof you won't believe it. Not having proof doesn't make that experience any less real. It is faith.
So, let me get that right.
Someone is on LSD. He thinks he can fly. He jumps from a 20 storey building. He doesn't fly. Is that reality?
Someone is running down the street. He is screaming at the top of his voice. It appears he thinks that there is an elephant charging him. Nobody else can see the elephants. Eventually, he collapses. They take him to hospital. They discover he has schitzophrenia. Are the elephants real because he thinks they are real.
Your reasoning belongs in the realm called fuzzy logic.
Just because one believes something doesn't make it real.
Well no, I was considering people with a sound mind. No mental problems, people not under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
So, consider a woman who is head over heels in love with a rogue who is messing around with other women. She believes with all her heart that he is loyal to her and loves her as much as she loves him. One day, she discovers that nothing could be further from the truth - that in reality he was just after a meal ticket! She had loads of money...
Does the fact that she believed he loved her make it real?
No, in my opinion the love wasn't real. The man was obviously a good actor when he was with her, for her to feel the love.
What if you only THINK you are experiencing something? Is it real or a delusion?
And if you THINK you are experiencing something that has been proven to be a superstitious myth, does it become REAL just because you have faith?
Since all religions are superstitions, I don't understand how faith, somehow, magically changes them. How absurd.
What if you ARE experiencing something? No drugs, no alcohol. Is it not real because some one who hasn't experienced it doesn't believe it?
Spiritual experiences has not been disproved
Most certainly though, they have been shown to be indistinguishable from other mental disorders of varying degree and magnitude.
As well, the laws of physics do not support the existence of spirits, notwithstanding their origins are firmly planted in myth and superstition.
Your claim has as much credibility as if you said unicorns and leprechauns have not been disproved.
The laws of physics do not support the existence of spirits. How ever they can not disprove the existence.
It would appear the English language is not being understood here, is there some other language I should use? Do you not understand what it means when it says the laws of physics do not support spirits? It means they cannot possibly exist, and they don't. The fact that your belief system supports those delusions without a shred of evidence does not in any way preclude these laws and what they do and don't support.
And, while I know you don't understand any of those laws due in part to your religious indoctrination, it would be quite dishonest of you to begin questioning their capacity of support.
do the laws of physics support angels? Do the laws of physics support the ascension of jesus or of his calming storms?
The laws of physics are only examples of observation not statements of what would happen IF something else occurred.
you put far too much faith in the laws of physics and blindly too i might add
Of course not, those are just fairy tales.
The fact that believers don't understand those laws should at the very least dissolve their credibility in opining on the limitations or expectations of those laws. The fact that some do have an understanding of those laws does not require they have blind faith in them.
Your faith is in the invisible and undetectable, hardly a position to be arguing about blind faith.
If it makes no sense(and no drugs or alcohol is involved)then my mental state is what would come into question.
So you have no problem admitting that I have talked to Thor and Zeus, since you can't disprove it?
Oh, and they talked back too!
My mental state has never come into question by people who know me. On the contrary, I have been asked how I have stayed sane with all the things that has happened.
No, since I can't disprove that you have talked with Thor and Zeus, I wouldn't argue with you about it.
Atheist or Agnostic,as I am, I'm going to agree with you that spiritual experience can be very real. In fact, I'm going to say that Karen Armstrong (one time as vigorous in her view of atheism as Richards Dawkins) now agrees.
However, it is the interpretation of this spiritual experience where we disagree....
I have different interpretations for the spirit world. I do believe in God, and he is spirit. I have had experiences with both.
I have a picture that was taken with a polaroid camera years ago. A lady in her death bed with her sons standing by her bed. There are other images in the picture which were not seen by the people in the room. A sweet transparent face, and also a man standing between 2 of the sons, an arm around each one. Of course I can't prove this because I will not impose on this family's privacy by posting this picture. But this picture does exist as much as I do.
We don't agree? That's fine. We can agree to disagree. I have no problem with that. We each have the right.
In my opinion; Belief is something you do or have been brought up to believe. Superstition is old folk lore voodoo; witchcraft is something people are drawn too not that they really believe
One can believe in superstition.
One can believe the facts.
Belief is the noun.
Believe is the verb.
It means to think that something is real.
It may be real. It may not be real. Some people believe only in things that their eyes can see, their hands can touch, and their ears can hear. Other people believe in things that have been proven to be complete nonsense. Still other people believe in things that cannot be proved or disproved.
Incidentally, the reason so many believe that superstition and religion is the same thing is that both claim things that cannot be scientifically verified. In addition, they are so absurd in the face of logic that those who use deduction and circumstantial or collaborative evidence find that they don't stand up very well.
What is the difference between belief and superstition?
The Universe and the life in it is Work of the Creator-God; and all law on which the nature works, are embodied in a very simple and beautiful form called Word of the Creator-God. Superstition is which neither exists in real in the nature or Work of God nor in the Word of God.
Saying that the Universe is the work of Creator-God is just as superstitious as saying the Toothfairy is the one who put the money under my pillow.
Did I say that the Toothfairy put anything under your pillow? I don't believe any Toothfairy.
All superstition is belief but not all belief is not superstition
Not to believe in the Creator-God is simple superstition; it is just like one sees sun and one won't believe in it; it is neither proved by science no vouched by religion.
The difference is that one can see the sun with one's eyes and feel the heat on one's body and 7 billion people on this planet can.
That's very different from religion in which everybody who is religious sees the god they want to see and hears what they want the god to say.
That is called delusion.
The blind cannot see sun; and in the winter in very cold coutries there won't be sometimes heat; yet the even the blind would believe that there is sun; if he does not believe he is superstituos.
You may also take the example of the stars which have no heat that could be felt by humans.
That's not superstitious, that's simply having no knowledge of something. For years scientist had no knowledge of microbes. Did that make them superstitious?
That's only because of the distance.
If a blind man insists that the stars don't exist; will he be right to do so?
That's absolutely absurd. No one has seen this imaginary Creator-Allah, yet we see the sun rising everyday.
Wow! This is an extreme pleading for the accceptance of nonsense.
The difference is how many other people you can get to play along.
superstition is any blindly accepted belief or notion.
Belief in God is neither blind nor blindly accepted and neither is it just a notion.
The ones who scream out "wheres the proof of God?" are (not coincidently) the ones who DON'T beleive in God.
The christians all have their proof.
say what you want, believe what you want but until you getitright you will forever be wanting proof.
Yes, and belief and worship of an imaginary deity fits that definition perfectly.
It is completely the opposite, and you know it. Since religion is based in abject nonsense, the only way to become a victim to it, is to surrender your mind, and become a blind obedient subject.
If we just blindly believed in God there would be no need for proof. But nonbelievers don't buy that garbage, just on fear and blind faith. So, logically, we are only asking YOU for proof, because YOU keep telling us about this entity of which YOU never produce any evidence at all--NONE!
So it appears(according to the trained observer)that we are just being lied to. Imagine that. Why would believers lie to us? I would be ashamed.
Yes, that would be called delusion.
It has become a moot point. There will never be any proof of the nonsense you were trick into believing.
It is no longer about proof. We know that you don't have any, and never will have any, because your beliefs are absurd.
But it would be nice if believers would just shut up about religion, unless they can prove it. All claims should be verified upon request from the person one is trying to persuade. Any other type of mindset is childish irresponsible nonsense.
I have no fear of God. Oh how is that possible you ask.. because i walk in his ways and we have this relationship ( i know you can't get your head around that concept so consider yourself and your posts lamed out) and because i walk in his ways i see Gods hand working in my life all the time, every day.
There is no blind faith, thats just a phrase the unknowing throw around when they run out of vocabulary. (putting it mildly lol)
As my post said.. the UNbelieving think its all blind faith lol and as my post said, the christians have their proof.. do you call me a liar? I can say WOC has her proof of God and her faith is not blind and i am right. You say she doesnt because you cant believe or see any proof yourself then you are lying.
hanging out kindly know that you cannot prove or disprove something that exists, you can only see it or touch (that is feel with your sense organs) or you can explain it. kindly explain your god that no sane believer has ever seen.
hahaha.. kindly know.. that in the world a train set is lovely but until you get into the hobby of trains you will never know the vast world and variety of stuff that is available. It is endless.
This is the life of the christian.
The depths in God are unlimited, his power amazing.
Christ said "those with eyes to see and ears to hear", ME. He also said "that others (not of his flock) were hard of heart and dull of hearing and blind" YOU
no wonder you have no proof.
The proof of the pudding is in the making of the pudding, not the looking at the ingredients.
Belief is something that is founded and based on facts. Superstition is unfounded and lacks truth. If you believe in something you put your faith in it. If it is superstition, then there is nothing to put your faith in.
Excuse me, a belief is not founded and based on facts. If you "know" something it is factual. If you "believe" something is factual, isn't the same.
I wrote a hub about Knowing versus Belief. There is a difference.
Some might say there is some karmic truth to some superstitions. The ability to distinguish which ones are part of the natural order of life or not, is in the conscious mind.
If my belief synchronizes with your belief, then it is belief.
If my belief does not fit with your belief, then mine is superstition for you!
My reasoning for my statement was if I know something to be factual then I will believe in it. Most people do not believe in something that they do not know to be true or factual. If someone tells me that they are lucky or that they believe in the good luck of a rabbit's foot, then this is superstition to me. Ther is nothing that has made this an actual fact. I do not believe in good luck. Theres is a reaon for all things happening the way they do. I base my my biefs on fact.
The problem is you're substituting words for others, which is distorting the meanings. If you know something, then it is beyond a belief.
And, that would be the proper way to use beliefs. Beliefs are in essence faith supported guess.
Agreed, rabbit's foot is superstition.
Good to know.
I agree that one should believe in truth, reality and the facts.
Myths should not be believed.
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