I'm always looking for more answers. The bible indicates that the roots of the bible are deeper than we can dig. I really think you need to do some historical research outside of biblical knowledge so that you can put your theory to rest outside of the bible.
Ignorance is bliss perhaps but I don't think ignorant people worry about these things either so I question if any of you are ignorant at all. Sadly, I would guess you are not. Just watch more reality TV and it might work out yet.
Are you one of those ego killers as well? Those people are just a bit too happy in their ego killing. I like my ego. And I don't think I'm ignorant. I'm in the wrong forum! Sorry for the interuption. Please continue the ignorance praising. You seem like a fairly ignorant and annoyingly happy group. If we all could be so lucky.
I'm wondering if you are really that ignorant, maybe you should be born again! Possibly, it will hurt a little - but then you will be illuminated, or eliminated or eradicated or what/? bless me, I've forgotten what is the opposite of ignorant? And do you think it will hurt?
Individuals in groups generally acknowledge that they are actually in the group, whereas my whole premise is that "liberal" and "conservative" are just deprecating terms that are laid on individuals. There really isn't an actual "Liberal Group" or "Conservative Group" - those are adjectives that describe individual philosophies, supposedly. And since none of that has anything to do with RELIGION where are we? Someone ate my donut!
got a little off subject - as for marinealways and the ignorance theory - I could join a church like that - something like the AMERICAN IGNORANCE IS BLISS FUNDAMENTALISTS? or the IGNORANCE OR ELSE movement!
I admit I am ignorant of many things- the finer details of flying aircraft, how to play the oboe, reading Sanskrit, and performing cardiac bypass surgery come to mind. The more I learn, the more aware I am of how much there is I still have yet to know.
You seem to point out things about me, that you don't like or trying to manipulate others into thinking that I'm a 'fruitcake' or an 'idiot'. Your methods are obvious to me, but maybe not for others.
By all means, continue.
If you feel better about yourself, then by all means continue your actions. It describes who you really are and how mean or hateful you can be.
I don't mind, because you don't matter in the larger scheme of life. Why? Because, you are ignorant yourself and apparently think yourself above others, because you have a self assume role of righteousness. You are pathetic!
thanks. I do undersand the difference between learning and knowledge. (one is a verb, the other is noun.. ha ha)I had to look up the specifics of ignorance, as I wasnt sure before which part of the equation that falls into. Now, how about intelligence?
I was teasing about the noun verb thing. you made a valid point. People do tend to mix the two, and even people who know might forget? I just barely graduated high school, and my school system was quite poor. I graduated with kids who couldnt read. My mother made a point of nearly every day announcing how I stupid I was, becuase I am not good at memorization of random facts. I strongly feel that eduacation level and intelligence are two very differnt things. It is simalar to what you were saying. I was genuine in my thank you. and now I am way off topic again, I am hoping marine wont mind...
being ignorant about something is probably ok right up until you know everything about everything. I think marine has showed us many examples of that. But he did sleep in a Holliday Express last night, and the night before that, and the night before that...........
There's also a difference between academic knowledge and applied, practical knowledge. I can read about airplanes and even use flight simulators. I can know what Sanskrit looks like. I have read and heard enough about cardiac bypass surgery to know what it all involves. I can understand that the oboe requires a fairly unique embouchure, fingerings, and transposition, and I could even compose music for the oboe. All that means is that I'm educated. I still don't really know.
thats funny, yours got posted before mine, I was sort of saying the same thing. but how any of this has anything to with marine being ignorant is beyond me... can you even be ignorant if you know enough to say your ignorant? wait a minute..is this a religious forum?
I had an excellent teacher who always reminded us never to put someone down for their ignorance on a subject, to instead help educate them about it - now as for intelligence - when someone refuses to be educated about something even when they've been given all the information - that is stupidity and at the very least un-intelligent. I happen to love stupid people because they make me look like a freakin genius - but that may be so far off the thread. Now - where did I put my donut?
was it a garlic donut? refusing to learn, I think thats a whole 'nother thing besides intelligence or or ignorance or whatever. its plain.....stubborn and ....unreasonable? unthinkable? people actaully refuse to learn? I cant understand that. wait a minute..damn, this is still a religous thread isnt it? what have you people done to me!!!! your donut was yummy.
Well, ironically, the claim of ignorance is among the purest of honest expressions I've seen on HubPages or anywhere else in the world. One must first claim that ignorance in order to be teachable. To be teachable is an expression from one who admits to themselves there is much to learn and grow from.
I understand that religious faith is not held in high esteem here, however, from my point of view as a clergy claiming ignorance is a vital step toward establishing a working active faith. It is an extension of oneself that proclaims you are not "all-knowing" and that you feel the personal need to hold to a higher power or knowledge in your life in order to grow and develop as an individual. Don't worry, I won't say put a plug in for deity. However, just taking the step in admitting that there is something greater than you in power and knowledge is a true vital step in personal progress whether you believe that power is spirit, a perfected man or just pure existing power itself.
I agree with some of that. However, if you believe a creator as absolute, this is faith based when a creator can't be proven. If a creator is believed as absolute, this could prevent you from learning if a creator isn't absolute.
OK - now this you're saying IS about religion and here's what I'm thinking : people often think that it is possible to disprove or prove someone else's belief - that is such a contradiction in terms - a belief by its very nature cannot be PROVED! Someone says they believe in God = you can't say that they are wrong to do so really or base your attempt to undo their belief on any proving method you think up. Belief is just like having a hunch - you can't really know whether there is a God - but you believe there is one because you think perhaps there are too many things in the world (the world itself) that cannot be "explained" so, so, you know? Like I don't BELIEVE there is really such a thing as a garlic donut, but if you BELIEVE you ate one, than why would I try to disprove your belief? That's how simple it is.
Belief works mainly on faith, logic, influence, emotions. Belief is made to be disproven to evolve to new belief. Content in belief is refusal to accept new belief. If you saw that someone was in a separatist belief and that they didn't recognize why their belief was formed, but you can see how and why it was formed, it would be ignorance not to make an attempt to explain. It is even more ignorance for a group to ban together to destroy an individuals idea because it challenges faith. Why do people get mad when their faith is challenged? Because it is glued together with their emotions.
I never get mad anymore. I welcome the variety of insight we all have within. As long as the respect goes both ways it is always a win win situation for both parties. I am a minister but I do, on occasion, visit other faiths in order to be educated on the faith of others. It has been a very good practice that I have put in place in my life.
I fully understand the dilemma. At some point most all of us have been there. I spent years trying to logically explain or prove the existence of deity but it was all in vain. It wasn't until I actually approached the problem a different way that I began to see and understand new information. Instead of proving it right off at first perhaps I should apply the doctrines first in my life, try and test them and critique the results. I can't prove to you or anyone else the existence of God, however, I have proven it to myself through my own application of the doctrines into my own life. We are all human and trying new, and old, things is part of what it's all about. There is no shame in testing something and finding no fact at the end. Nothing tried, nothing gained.
Very well thought out. I give you that. However, and this is just in my own life and teachings, the more I focused my actions and thoughts to the doctrines of God as I see him the more liberation in free agency there seems to be. Confusing, I know. It is when we rely on our own strength that we actually inhibit ourselves, learning and our human potential. I have always taught that the universe is designed upon the principle of agency, or the ability to choose. It is my position that our ultimate goal of existence is true agency and personal potential without limits. The more I've focused my energies in that direction, knowing and holding on to that greater power, the greater the learning and understanding I have acquired for me has increased exponentially relative to my sincerity of heart.
You are right. That was an absolute comment, but not my absolute belief. You caught my mistake. I think a creator can be logical, but not without faith. Faith contradicts logic. It is logical to say I was created by my parents. It takes faith to say a divine being created my parents. I know I was created by my parents by logical thought, when I ask who created my parents and who created them, it goes on and on.
Agreed. At one time it was quite a stretch for me to trust and believe in that which is unseen, but to me that's what faith is - the assurance of that which is not seen. A sad child, for instance, reaches for a parent because it has faith (assurance) that he/she will be comforted. Part of why we work for a living is faith or the assurance that we will be paid which will support our families and lifestyles. Faith is not just to believe. Faith is the priciple of action and also of power.
Marine, I haven't chimed in on a lot of the threads that you have, but I have been following them. You are not ignorant. You are sane and intelligent -- and you have a very good sense of humor, I might add.
You enjoy starting discussions and bantering with people with opposing views. But since fanatics only see black and white with no shades of gray, pink or green allowed, they don't know what to do with what you say. And when fanatics don't know what to do, they revert to the only thing they know. Bashing and insulting. They are absotively incapable of having a lively discussion with someone with opposing views. Because, of course, anyone who has opposing views is trying to destroy their world and is destined for hell.
Anyhoo, keep up the discussions. I'll still follow them.
Thank You Ironer! I much appreciate your honest feedback. I don't know if I would agree with you that I am sane. lol Afterall could me or anyone be sane when we all have a different idea of sanity or insanity? Thank You for writing that.
I have this nagging thought about the limit of logic, something I explained well in a comment I posted in one of David Bowman's hubs (I'm a fan, btw.). It is about faith and logic, and the "hidden" (I suppose.) connection between the two. David offered a "reply" hub, but it didn't change the thought. Maybe you have something to share. Here's the link to the hub:
Thank You! You have to a strong mind as yourself to simply recognize the mistake of following the herd and speak up to point it out. That was a compliment, no sarcasm intended. However, I still claim my ignorance.
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