Are you one who follows your gods word to the letter or do you only follow certain messages? Many would refer to those who follow gods word to the letter as fundamentalists. Are they the true believers?
Can you justify why you would follow some of gods word and not the others?
Do you think everyone should follow gods word to the letter or allow people the freedom to choose whatever words they wanted to follow?
Do you think gods word needs to be interpreted or are the words clear and concise? Do you think gods words get lost in interpretations?
I admitt that I do not follow Gods word to the letter.
nor could I if I wanted to.
Since Peter said that prophetic scripture has no private interpretation; I would say that since "all scripture" was not included in this statement, honest personal interpretation would be acceptable to interpret as they pretain to the individualand and those issues in his life that they pertain to.
Thanks for the honest answer, Jerami. Perhaps, that is the problem with some believers in that they interpret scripture to suit their personal agendas rather than following what scripture tells them.
Even if everyone did follow the doctrines of religion, then we would all understand that there really isn't a 'god'. I followed the doctrinations, put them to the test and came to a self-realization that 'god' didn't exist.
I also realized that the doctrines offered be religion and religious text, can never be obtained. Perfection isn't within the human equation. There is only subjective opinions about what perfection is suppose to be or look like.
No one, can lead a moral good or right life, if following anyone else's guidance other than self-guidance. It is destructive and against the nature of mankind.
Thank you, that is totally the point. You make you, not anyone else.
Casgil if you would actually walk in the light of your own words, it won't be long before you realize that God the ultimate power of all Goodness is in you and with you.
For you have already seen the fallacy of religion.
I couldn't agree with you more that any terrestrial claims made by any theist anywhere is unfounded and unsubstantiated. I also think theists know that deep down inside.
However, the entities described by theists and scriptures which operate in the supernatural are another story. As I'm sure most have agreed here, we can't prove a negative, we can't demonstrate that gods aren't operating in the supernatural, or demonstrate they aren't pulling our strings, so to speak. Hence, it is entirely pointless to say to a theist that their god doesn't exist. By invoking the supernatural, one is helpless to combat the theists position.
Is it delusional, is it psychotic? Who cares? It really doesn't matter. It's a held position from which there is little to command an offensive.
I see perfection in Angelina Jolie.
The nature of mankind, as I've always witnessed it, is full of compassion and understanding. Do we still maintain instincts of survival? Absolutely. But, we evolved and are able to reason, rationalize and curb some of those vicious survival instincts that are only too evident in other animals.
Even so, we can observe the same compassion and understanding in many of those other animals, despite their vicious instincts. They too have evolved.
Are we observing a form of "morals" in those animals, a 'self-guidance' as you put it?
There are diffrent definitions and perceptions as to what a Christian is. I think that a person is born into Christianity when they accept Christ. From that point they are in a state of becoming a believer.
Some Christians think that when they have accepted Christ, I have arrived, I'm saved, Mission accomplished. I'm where I wanna be. I'm done.
Where ever we are, we should always continue to mature.
We never know all that we need to know.
Cause ya just don't know what ya don't know ya know.
I hear and see no god to worry about myself. Which one of the gods should I worship. The psychotic god of the quoran and bible are too busy trying to get worshipped to be credible gods.
Maybe Zeus. He represents all aspects of the human condition without any self contradiction. Evil all over!
I believe that even if you take the teachings word for word, you still have to interpret the meaning behind the words. I think that believing in god, and following a message, are two different things. Living with morals and being good in life seems more important than reading a huge book and consuming wafers and wine.
Hard to say since so much of scripture (Bible) doesn't pertain to me. I don't know other sacred writings very well.
It's not me following any agenda, it's not me being afraid to admit anything. I don't have all of God's word, "he" still speaks. Not everything he said to other people is meant for me (us).
That's a very interesting angle I hadn't heard before. I had usually, and quite mistakenly, made the assumption that a gods word was for all mankind and not for each individual. We are all different so god would say different things. Correct me if I'm not following your logic here.
I do follow God's Word. Though it's not correct for me to say that I follow everything to the letter as not everything is applicable to me. There are parts in Scripture that addresses a response from Jews only and others from Gentiles or from a specific person only like when Jesus asked Peter to walk on water.
We do need to have some interpretation of God's Word done but not according to what we like to believe it to say but according to what God, the ultimate author of the Scripture, wants it to say. Sometimes, that is pretty clear but sometimes the Word speaks mysteries.
May I also say that we could try to obey everything that God is asking us to do from His Word but it would be totally impossible to do so without knowing Jesus. That is why He came to die on the cross to save us from sin. Men have failed to obey His commands and that sin is getting in the way for us to be able to obey God's Word.
Hope this answered the questions somehow. Just wanted to share this insight.
That I can understand. I was just trying to find out if you observed the parts that were applicable to you?
That would be my thought, too, that a god would most certainly be clear about what he's saying. He is said to be an all knowing perfect god, so it would be folly on our part to not think that his message for us was also perfect. If he knew us, then he knew exactly what to say to us.
If, as you say, "sometimes the Word speaks mysteries" wouldn't you suspect that perhaps those words were not gods words, and perhaps were placed in the bible by imperfect men? It wouldn't be logical that gods words were mysterious to us. What would be the point of us guessing their meanings?
I've always wondered about that. How is it that a god can send his son to earth and his son dies by the hands of men. How does a god die?
Then, he is resurrected and returns to his father. To me, this appears as if he never died in the first place, but was always quite "alive" as far as gods go.
Do you think perhaps there's something not quite right about a god dying? I would hope someone could explain that to me.
I can see from your words you were honest, sincere and speaking from the heart, I appreciate that. Thank you.
Following God's word has nothing to do with reading a book and trying to do as it says.
This is the message in the bible that religion hides.
God is in the one who does good works from a pure heart.
No one will get anywhere with God without cultivating that pure heart, tried by truth with good works or love as it's sole motivator.
That is one of best said quotes so far, kess.
If a god could simply be described, as you so succinctly put it, something that is in the heart of all men who do good works, that is a definition I could live with.
No fuss, no muss, just good people helping one another with a "god" in their heart.
I like it.
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