Why do you believe, or not believe in God?
So - you have totally discarded logic in favor of a faith based belief and an illogical assumption that the universe was "created."
And therefore needs a "creator."
Shame on you.
I have asked several times and no one will answer me.
OH, heh. because i have answered this many times. you must be new
The main question being asked is WHY do you believe or not believe in God?
My 'why' is based on growing up and studying religion, thru classes, and when finished I had more questions. When I went to talk to my pastor about it. He directed me to scripture and this led me to investigating religion and scriptures authenticity as factual evidence, and find out for myself if the true doctrines of the Catholic religion could be accomplished.
In my quest for this knowledge, I self-realized that there is no God. How did I come to a self-realization that God doesn't exist? It was obviously clear from the Doctrine themselves are all what I call "anti-life" and self-defeating.
The first doctrine wants you to be selfless. You are to give yourself completely to others, whenever called upon to do so. You are to accept the challenge. This defeats Life, because after awhile you become selfish with your time, because so many will take advantage of you. You will get nothing in return, so there can be no fulfillness in satisfaction and turns you selfish. Hence, end result is a hoax. Cannot be done and is not in the nature of man and woman.
The second doctrine wants you to forget desires. You are not to have any desires. Well, this one, even without the sexual nature, is anti-life as well. Because, desires fuel the future and for some people, the here and now. Plus a person's individual desires can be managed by a self-responsible adult. Therefore, again it cannot be done.
The third doctrine want you to take your free will and give it up, to believe in a concept made by man, which claims to know what God's will is truly. When there are NO facts to enforce the belief. You must force your free will to believe in something you are not sure exists.
Once, I cleared my vision, everything else in my life became one with my consciousness and given me more focus, because everything I do is enforcing my own individual purpose, which I set myself. I need not answer to a higher authority, because I am the highest authority in my life. This isn't up for debate. I've answered the question in the topic. You want to believe in God, go right ahead. You'll remain in the group that never learns the truth. Test the doctrines yourself. See if they work. I have and they don't. Have a great time with the thread...as I can see it's already getting interesting.
I don't believe in any higher being, and it also, to me anyway, is because of simple logic. I studied the whole bible, many religions and so on.
I then studied what is very basic, like how the earth is, what life forms are and so on. Logic to me says that there is no higher being. Logic says all living things evolved over time to today, and they are still evolving.
Humans are just one of many life forms, no more, no less. That's how I see it, in my own logic way. So I guess you can look at things logically and still come away with different answers.Actually Wesley a world without a creator makes a lot of sense.Keep up! Science is moving on. I would post links, but I have never had one religionist read and comment on one.
Religion= ignorance by choice.
i should start another forum, shouldn't I?
- Euryponposted 13 years ago
0As a matter of fact there is scientific evidence for love, I just saw a lecture on it!
No, actually it is good science. Part of the brain's response to chemicals that affect behaviour. For example, if you gave a religionist MMDA, when the fear he thought he never had dissipates he will no longer need a religion!
You don't know what a religionist is? My definition? Any person who's god is the creator of the world is a religionist. My world was not created by your god ok?
I am perfectly happy with the scientific explanations available to anyone who wants to know.That eliminates religionists.
- sneakorocksolidposted 13 years ago0
You can't take credit for my craziness sneaker! All my own work.... and loving it!
Allan I'd be very interested in your answer to the question. (WHY)
I think Pascal and I are saying the same thing... I believe that logic gets us to where the proof ends, and faith takes it from there.Make no mistake, there is no evidential criteria that there is NOT a god and any claim to the contrary is simple delusion.
You are mistaken. You are not "applying reason" - you are "attempting to justify an irrational belief."
Look whose talking
I think I Love You...
Thank You for not disappointing, your answer is a work of art. Mikel
well, denying religion religiously can be the same.
i think it is perfectly logical for people to define objects and concepts through intuitive and spiritual thought processes.
I think that displacing all your focus on religion instead of the inherent flaws of humanity is escaping the point.
Bovine, you talk alot about what you DON'T believe. But what is it that you DO believe?
believe - you probably already know i hate this word, but i am currently searching for a better one.
maybe "think" will do.Like a glove!
Good, interesting and well reasoned post.
Thank you, kind sir.
- theonegoodmanposted 13 years ago0
Who says we can't all be rich?
And not being rich is not the same as being poor.I agree not being rich isn't the same thing as being poor. Before we get the dictionaries out to define the meanings and classifications of what is rich, what is poor, and what is the middle class. Let me say this:
I believe that the strength of the society of the United States is based on us always having a huge middle class. There aren't enough things for everyone to be 'rich'. Every citizen cannot have a million acre horse ranch... I believe in the middle class, the middle ground.
I think a good and prospering society is one that has a vast middle class, very few poor, and very few rich.
Middle class to me is having everything you need and some of what you want. The problems of medieval times were because of the abscense of a middle class, they had the 'Nobility' and 'Peasants'. The trouble in the economy of the United States right now is that the middle class has been decreased. We are becoming a two class nation. Those being, 'nobility (those with money)' and the 'peasants (those without money)'. There are some few very rich people that are hording all the money. They are making money off of simply having money, using interest on loans/investments to generate it. Those that didn't start off rich, live their entire lives in 'debt', paying to support the very wealthy. As this continues the wealthy get richer the poor get poorer until eventually, the society collapses. The most important people in the society of the United States are the middle class. (the tepid waters that seperate the Ice from Steam.)
I though you'ld be over on the TRUTH thread.
- theonegoodmanposted 13 years ago0
- theonegoodmanposted 13 years ago0
- lyricsingrayposted 13 years ago0
believe in who, what ?
- theonegoodmanposted 13 years ago0
- blackorchidposted 13 years ago0
Good question. There are plenty of other forums, do not despair
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