If scientists discovered that a god really existed, what would you do? If you were guaranteed an afterlife, would you worship it?
You could no longer possibly be Athiest or Agnostic, so you'd either have to worship the god or not.
I believe in facts. So if scientists bring a living God, that I can touch and relate to, I will believe.
I dont believe anything science says is true they guess and theory and lie about everything.our science books change every 10 years,the big bang theory is just what its called , theory and we teach it to our children,they lie about globel warming so they can keep funding coming in.so i dont care what they say , cant believe anyhow
you call me innorent and you fall for it ha ha
fall for what ?
buy a dictionary !
mabe i cant spell but atlest im not stupid
I'm an Anti-theist. Whether a god exists or not, my position as an Anti-theist is intact
Interesting question. I do not believe in god. I feel that if science was able to prove that god was real, and we were forced into a decision where worship equated a guaranteed afterlife, then this is a god that I would not worship.
I will worship Bovine before a unscrupulous god that does such things.
I do not know that bribery is the exact word that I am looking for, but it is the first word that comes to mind.
would science be proving that the christian god is the 'one true god' afterall?
or just that "god" in some form exist...that there is a divine consciousness that all of creation sprung from?
honestly, if science somehow proved the existence of the christian god i would have to take the typical, illogical, faith believers route and say that that god science found was actually satan deceiving us, yet again! tricky tricky! LOL
I can predict that the feat of providing irrefutable evidence of a god is improbable. The feat of providing irrefutable evidence of the Christian god is impossible, because the concept is too illogical to prove...Because this god could not be god, he's too simple.
Given those hypothetical circumstances you'd have to be an idiot not to worship the god. (I'm assuming the god wanted to be worshipped.)
Seriously, if you had a brain cell in your head, you'd do whatever the god wanted you to. Don't bother acting tough or pretending you wouldn't. After all, the god holds all the cards; you'd spend every moment on Earth kissing the god's behind (if it had one) if that meant you'd be guaranteed an eternity of pleasure as opposed to never-ending pain or a forever of nothingness.
Prob is, your question is based on a hypothetical situation.
Meanwhile we're stuck in reality (or our perception of it) and no one knows the what or why of whatever awaits us after we die. Not the believers, not the non-believers, not even the sane people who have to endure the non-stop, repetitive, pointless battles between the two.
i couldn't worship any god out of fear, or just to get something...i would have to come to god on my own, out of love.
We have a hard enough time believing the scientists about global warming, how could we apply any credibility to the proof of God by them?
If it was logically proved, I would accept the reality. The next step would be to understand what type of worship that god required - obviously all the current religions can't be right.
No, I'd build up all of my poop and throw it at the inevitable statue of the god, as we'd never ever see the God if it did exist, they'd be too busy letting people die all over the world!
It has been proven that God really exists and I worship Him.
OH Yes. I'm sure you have hardcore proof. What did he look like?
I sure do have hardcore proof. It's called The Bible. Ever heard of it?
I never said I've seen Him.
And, by the very same logic, we have hardcore proof animals and talk, it's called, "Aesops Fables" Ever heard of it?
Have you seen or heard animals talk?
You look like you have been waiting a while!
This is an evil generation.It seeks a sing,and no sing will be given to it except the sing of Jonah the prophet.For as Jonah became a sign to the ninevites,so alsothe Son Of Man will be to this generation.
It is not the generation that is evil, it is religion that is evil.
I can see you know nothing about it you just make noise
If you believe he did then for you it would be more proof of his abilities in evil.
Man is evil.
I believe man is both evil and good. If one can see all the evil in self, and all the good in self then we have a whole human to look at.
I know who the murderer is, the rapist and the thief.
It is me. With that knowledge and no fairy or fairy made by fairy to take the blame I have a free choice.
I am evil and good, but having that knowledge gives me the capacity to choose which one I act on. that is why it is easy to do good. Being kind and a decent human is simply much more rewarding.
Without the knowledge of our own evil this mental process is handed over to religion by many. I call it "The devil in the corner" thinking, as it removes personal responsibility and places it as "sin" which can be fixed!
Gutless thinking in my view.
Well I don't believe my religion relieves me of any individual responsibilty, but I can see your arguement and have heard it before.
So thats cool. The above was well said E.
Thank you TMMason I find your position to be harmless!
Earnest wrote some good stuff while I wasn't looking. I like this one, especially the view on sin. This is what i'm looking for.
Does this knowledge make it easier to do good? what facilitates one's moral compass?
I am still connected to the internet thingy, no need to speak of me in the third person.
yeah i can tell earnest.
well, i know there is an earnest out there just ready to debate the issue. YOU however, are still dodging questions and spewing hatred of anything non science.
As you wish. You are not aware of taking action from your sub-conscious, such as referring to me in the third person!
I dodge nothing, and you know that and so does everyone else.
well, i'm apparently too old to know anything about sub-consciousness. And you've been dodging all night, so no I don't know that either. and i wouldn't call the other people arguing against you as "everyone else", but how could i know that either?
well at least i know how to spell.
That is the third time you have had to do that. Pathetic! You do not even see through yourself when it is pointed out twice previously! Now why is that do you think?
you didn't point out anything.
how easily your footing is disturbed. for a second there, we were doing well
why that is? for starters well, it's the only thing you respond to. Though you have insulted my intelligence many times, since intelligent debate is too old, a thing of the past for hubbing veterans like Knowles and yourself, i have simply only to poke holes in your consistently weak quips on the intelligence of people who follow religion, or have faith.
it keeps me entertained while watching movies. have you seen the Dark Knight?
you're able to call me pathetic, but the slightest negative inference on my part...well, makes me pathetic. sounds like a particular strain of thinking that religious fundamentalists use. never heard a scientist speak like that.
Why would I have to worship a god?
If we found that a god actually existed, wouldn't we do exactly what that god wanted us to do and not what we believe he wants us to do?
When a god does decide to show up for a formal interview, we can ask him then what exactly he wants from us.
Until then, the many, many, MANY versions of what people believe their gods want from them is entirely irrelevant.
Science cannot show god as god is omnipresent, man cannot map him.
One needs to find his own proof with meditation.
um I guess so , but I highly doubt thats gonna happen
If the space between the electrons and the nucleus in our atoms were removed we as a race would all fit in the size of a thimble. This was from a show called "How long is a piece of string" on the BBC.
People need to believe in order to make their lives make sense. It keeps them sane.
Ultimately one can not speak on behalf of a God because they are not God. People say "God Loves Me"... but that statement is one of hope not of anything tangible. God may or may not exist in a Form which we as humans can in our state understand.
What we know, and all we know is that we exist as defined by our own perceptions. We are here and struggle to make sense of what we perceive as Reality.
When you dig into Quantum Physics and start looking at the nature of particles and waves the way we view ourselves changes. Most people are so taken aback by Physics and have so little understanding of Physics that these concepts fly in the face of their belief systems so they tune them out.
If God can do anything can he make a rock so big he can't lift it. This is the kind of statment that people like to view as clever. But it's all idiocy.
If you want to discover what God is and what creation is about you can not jump to conclusions... you keep an open mind and you keep learning. Religious Belief is often a deterrent to open thinking.
What would it take to convince you that he does exist?
What if God himself prove to you that HE do exist? You would definitely change up and be proven wrong.
So who do you think have you breathing even a smelley sock?? Who allows you to breath every second? What if he (God) held his breath from you for 30 seconds?
i think god held your breath for more than 30 secs, and oxygen didn't reach your brain.
That's the only reason I find for your posts !
It would have no affect/effect on Humankind, because GOD doesn't exist.
Depends on what god. If it was the vengeful Huitzilopochtli, I would probably not worship it.
He is a spirit and you can't see a spirit; we must believe w/o seeing. We must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Just as it is impossible for a blind eye to see light so it is for a blind heart to perceive God.
"GOD" isn't a theory. Doesn't qualify as a theory, because the "GOD" concept was debunked long before now, when reality was defined. The "GOD" concept was perceived, invented or created by man. This mystical entity isn't any more real than Mickey Mouse. Who isn't really real. It's stuffed animal, and when in public, is portrayed by someone else(human) in a costume.
So, if there was to be science evidence that this supposed man-made "GOD" lived or lives? No! I wouldn't worship it. I wouldn't even believe in it, simply because of the atrocities which have already happened, in it's name. I would tell it to go to hell. Since he would be real(isn't now), satan would then become fact also, because technically, you cannot have one without something to offset, to keep balance. However, my stance doesn't change.
If it has been hidden away, but technology brings it to light, while years upon years of suffering. It wouldn't be worthy of worship.
and you have backwards again men did not create god but the other way around
And, only ignorant people believe that to be truth, without evidence. So, you're wrong. Have a great day!
By definition belief doesn't require evidence.
No need to call believers ignorant unless you can provide facts that prove a god doesn't exist. And I'm sure you're familiar with the "can't prove a negative" concept.
That said, why can't both sides simply live and let live? Let believers believe and let non-believers refuse to believe.
It's fine to state what you think is correct but why is there such steadfast refusal to acknowledge no one knows all there is to know? Why the 'I'm right, you're wrong' stance from both sides?
By definition, a belief is formed based on truth, true facts known. If you should form a belief in any other manner, then you are wrong.
Because, it is morally wrong to do nothing, when a wrong has occurred and needs to be righted. Why else?
First off, NO ONE is claiming to know all there is to know. Your assumption or leap from having knowledge of life vs knowing everything is absurd and over step your own logical thought process.
I don't claim to have all the answer to all questions, then again, there are simply some questions, for which, never need to be answered. But, I appreciate your concern for what's been said and I'm glad you're a powerful enough person to voice your opinion.
Your definition is incorrect. Belief is merely the conviction that something is true; it doesn't require facts nor does it have to be based on known truths.
But believing in a god isn't a wrong. It's simply different from what you believe.
Re-read what I said. I merely questioned why people refuse to acknowledge that no one knows everything.
That makes no sense whatsoever. I never made any such leap, nor did I overstep anything. You're reading into what I actually said.
Great! You have no idea how right you are... >:->
That probably would be the case, as long as believers did not demand their beliefs become policies and laws that affect the rest of us. Would you support Sharia Law in your country, for example?
I wouldn't support it because I don't feel religious beliefs should in any way govern the actions of anyone other than those who hold the beliefs. I'm a strong advocate of the separation of church and state.
At the same time I don't think it's right for non-believers to harass believers. It's a two-way street. Live and let live.
To quote George W. Bush, "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." Umm, yeaaah. Let's just stick with live and let live instead.
(Mark, is that you behind the Q? )
That's the point, though, believers DON'T let others live and let live. They make demands on the laws and policies that affect those who don't hold their beliefs.
If that were not the case, then believers can believe whatever they want.
No, it isn't. And, I keep wondering why others think I am someone elses sock puppet. It's as if a person cannot join a forum without suspicions they are someone who they are not.
Fascinating behavior, nonetheless.
I'm not sure that all believers make such demands though I'd certainly agree some do.
Hmm. I wonder if non-believers make similar demands that aren't as obvious. Right at this moment I can't come up with any examples but maybe it's worth thinking about.
Wound you say that believers think the idea of separation of church and state is an infringement on their right to "live"? The controversy surrounding the 10 Commandments display in a Georgia courthouse would indicate as much, no?
I'm sure those believers do feel its an infringement on their rights. Those believers also conveniently forget there are other believers of other religions who may feel their rights are being violated as well. Hence, we now have to open up the floor to any and all religious beliefs, not just the ones who believe in the 10 Commandments.
True. But what's the alternative? It's either an open floor for all or no floor for any. I'm not sure which is worse...
Do you think a middle ground can ever be reached? Or can one even exist?
My head hurts.
No. There will never be middle ground because everyone is insane.
one day middle ground will be reached when every knee will bow & every one will say jesus is lord
ia that the best you can come up with!!!very sad
Ok...Your proclamation that "every knee will bow & every one will say jesus is lord," is absurd, and is based on your delusional arrogant nonsensical beliefs. As if your foolish religion is THE ONE!!!
you come here and give us crap for what we believe so tell us what you believe
Whatever it is it could never match your beliefs for arrogance! What a pile of rubbish. Maybe you think some dead guy, written about in a book with an agenda who may not even have lived anyway is gonna "humble" people who do not agree with you is straight out megalomania. See a doctor.
The alternative is separation of church and state. All or none.
Yes, one that takes the human being into consideration rather than Bronze Age myths and superstitions.
But that's what we have now -- in theory anyway -- and it ain't workin' so good.
Maybe 2012 will bring a resolution of some sort.
That is, if we can all agree Mayans existed...
Oh great. That creates another problem cuz we can't even all agree that dinos existed, can we?
(Fred -- I have to run a few errands and pick up Pebbles from school so since I won't have much time to cook we're having leftover brontosaurus for dinner. -- Wilma)
I would suggest we can't even agree on what shape the earth is.
For real. The Flat Earth Society still exists. I wonder if they allow their children to look at globes...
If my gayness was not reformed I think you could be my type Cags
My question to those who say they are atheist/unbelievers...Why does everyone including Atheists run when a natural disaster happens? Why don't they stand firm against his power?
First, I would need to see it, talk to it, touch it etc.
Then I would require a lot of additional evidence requiring time and study, evidence to debunk the obvious possibility of the human act of concocting yet another God-ruse for the sake of manipulating the incurious masses. Given modern technology, it would not be implausible for folks with the financial wherewithal to perpetrate such a thing on a grand scale.
If it turned out the being was not manmade as has always been the case in the past, then my next inclination would be to ascertain where it came from and why it needed to be worshipped by the lowly likes of me and my human brethren. No truly divine being would require obsequious groveling from dumb little monkey people like us, so, should a god figure appear suddenly and tangibly and require this behavior, my suspicion would be that alien(s) or inter-dimensional being(s) or some other variant had arrived to subjugate us and only claimed to be god knowing we had no way of telling the difference. Hopefully, this weakness of vanity could be exploited and we could, under the guise of servility and lots of groveling etc., discover its true aims and, perhaps, defeat it so we weren't its puppets for very long.
However, if in fact it could not be proved that it was the fictional work of men and that it showed no need for writhing servility, and it turned out it was merely manifest here to enable love and peace among us through guidance and the occasional act of justice, then perhaps it might earn my devotion upon winning my respect and inspiring my dedication.
So you'd worship a god that would submit to you?
Given the very existence of this forum, much less the numerous religions in existence (and not in existence) across the globe and across time, I'd say that at the very least the second part of my initial reply regarding "proving that He is not a man made fiction" has not even remotely been accomplished.
Furthermore, my part one, "the touch and feel" kind of tangible proof is not there adequately... I can't see him or touch him. And just saying, "Hey, look how amazingly complex the universe is etc.," does not count as evidence of God. I don't know how my computer works; it's amazingly complex too, but I don't believe the folks at HP are gods either.
I never said he should submit to me. I no more demand worship than a respectable God would. I said that if he showed up and was amazing and glorious (and met all my other criterion for fraud etc.) then I could not help but be drawn to His awesome example. Just because He can't scare me into worshipping Him (not in my heart at least... I'd pretend to if He was going to zap me with lightning/damn me to eternal Hell, but I would hate Him and constantly seek His downfall if He was like that) doesn't mean He's submitting to me. A god worthy of respect would do things to inspire it. That's not "requiring Him to submit." That's just requing He not be an a-hole or slave-driving, Divine overlord if He wants real devotion rather than lip-service.
This is a good one! well i dont think it can be proven .. if it was i think id beleive obviously BUT i wouldnt worship!
yah he was good great whatever but like.. who gives a crap? because people jump infront of busses for others Everyday and what happens to their name? do they Get a great big book in honour of what they did... mehh maybee but like why worship god? why not worship Chuck Norris .. same thing to me really Lol ... I hate the way people say stuff like "WE MUST BELEIVE .. WE MUST TRUST IN GOD.. WE HAVE TO HAVE FAITH IN HIM.. YOU MUST BELEIVE IN SOMETHING.." who says we MUST ? thats crap then it makes the non beleivers feel like they are doing something wrong when really all this is, is a matter of opinion.. and stop forcing religion On people too .. not this forum but some of the comments are like that .. sorry I am a christian lol But i deffo am a big follower of science and yah lol .. thats it
Rant Over 8) peace out!
I'm not highjacking this thread just to answer your sillines.
It's not worth it. I'm off
excuse me everybody !
A forum is not a place for hypothetical questions.
Because people make hypotheticals more complex than they are?
How about rephrasing it to this?
If it were proven that a god exists and your afterlife would consist of eternal agony if you didn't worship the god while you were alive, would you refuse to worship the god? (Assume that worshipping the god would guarantee you an afterlife of eternal pleasure.)
Anyone who says they wouldn't worship the god under those circumstances is a liar and/or brain dead.
Out in the middle of every corn field is a corn stalk that does not believe that the guy on the tractor has helped in any way. .
worship: to feel an adoring reverence or regard for (any person or thing).
I have never felt "worship" for anyone or anything. I see no reason to start now. :-)
I am worshipping him now even if I havent seen HIM yet,
"If scientists discovered that a god really existed, what would you do? If you were guaranteed an afterlife, would you worship it?"
If science proved the existence of an all powerful being, I don't think it would have an ego so small that it needed stroking through my worship.
Worship would seem to be at odds with Isaiah 1:11-1 in which God says "..Bring no more vain offerings.." and later says "..Defend the fatherless; plead for the widow.."
This newly proven God might want acts of kindness to each other more than worship.
No disrespect intended - just my opinion. Thanks.
A question that has yet to be posed, is a God of what? Are we to assume this is a God of all things in existence and creation, is this the God that is defined within the pages of the Bible, or are we speaking of a God of a certain element or idea such as Greek mythology refers to? The specifications of this God could make the difference of whether He or She was to be worshiped by few or by many. Also, the afterlife of which this God spoke and promised would make or break the number of followers they had. To answer this question is impossible without some insight, perhaps because as some have stated, it is seemingly impossible for many of us to truly fathom an existing God.
Faith is often used in a religious context, as in theology, where it almost universally refers to a trusting belief in a transcendent reality, or else in a Supreme Being and/or this being's role in the order of transcendent, spiritual things.
With this being defines, spiritual belief i snot neccessarily supported by the concreteness as a lab or scientic hypothesis.
It is a deep feeling and cognitive sense.
The French philosopher Blaise Pascal that even though the existence of God cannot be determined through reason, a person should wager as though God exists, because living life accordingly has everything to gain, and nothing to lose. It was set out in note 233 of his Pensées, a posthumously published collection of notes made by Pascal in his last years as he worked on a treatise on Christian apologetics.
It is the faithful who are truely the most spiritual. Inteligent design has been proven by many scientist who were former secularist. Search intellectually and have an open heart!
Einstein said that if a God does not exist we shall make him because you just need to look the universe to know that there is an "intelligence" that made all things and that is keeping everything...I think a guy also said "Dieu geometrisa" (french expression) meaning that the guy behind creation is a Mathematician lol
People always needs proofs but as Jesus said "They wont get any miracle but the miracle of Jonas" lol...You dont trust you dont get proofs and we will see with the incoming events if there is a God or not. You WILL ALL know one day for sure LOL
Hypothetically speaking of course, IF this were to happen I can with certainty say I would not worship him, the same as I do not now.
hmmm. I do believe in “god“ (as many would like to call him). But I don't like calling her..him...it. "god" I don't like all these restrictions and stories in the bible. I believe there is something. and I believe in angels. But if a man came and said "I am god" and he was I wouldn't worship him with that silly name
No intelligent entity would need to be worshipped. Think about it, the idea is neurotic.
And yet I worship the very ground you walk on. Are you saying it's all for naught?
the freemasons have a bible a torra and a koran at their meetings symbolizing that we all agree that there is a God we all agree to that now lets respect it and get down to business.
absolutely, i would not want to live without a belief in god
The OP is an archaically posed question... lol, I guess not here, though.
Some people just have to have some beast to worship, no matter proven or not
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
— Marcus Aurelius
i think if God were proven to exist, it wouldn't be a matter of belief anymore.
I don't believe that the toilet is there for me to piss in. I know it is there, so I don't question it anymore.
So dull, taking a piss is.
another journey starts after knowing god. not boring at all in fact more alive .?
well yes. I was saying that proof would make the idea of belief null and void. God is not commonplace, yet the most common thing. I think the journey of belief and faith, as well as the empirical quest, are all fun and what makes me human.
That i question the existence of God, lets me know there is in fact, a God. even if its in my own head.
yes,god exists.there is no doubt about that...god is taking care of all of us..
Clearly there IS doubt. Maybe not for you, but there's a crap-ton of doubt out there amongst the rest of the world.
As for "taking care of all of us," that is true, but requires some flexibility regarding what "taking care of us" means. For some of us, it means providing nicely: we eat, live healthy lives etc. For others it means "taking care" in like a Mafia sense, as in, "I'll take care of yous guys with some cancer," or, "I'll take care of yous people with starvation and flood," etc.
So, while I can't go with you on the "no doubt" thing, I can agree with you on the taking care part.
God does exist, and the example is the balance of globe. Now as we cant see how the globe is balanced in space(Universe)without any support, the same way god exists and we cant see him !!!
We humans are particles in space ballanced perfectly by forces so we dont shoot out into the atmosphere due to the velocity of the earths rotation.
Mohitmisra ,,,, that makes more sence than it sounds like it does.
We are literally star dust. The assembly is such that even the left and right hands are made of different stuff! Science from the BBC.
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