If it was proven beyond a doubt that there is no God...

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Amie Warrenposted 13 years ago
...would it destroy your life?

So many people these days seem so dependent on God for everything, so wrapped up in letting him solve all their problems for them. It absolves them of so much responsibility for their own lives.

Do you think these people could cope if it was taken away from them? It would be like taking Heroin away from a junkie forever, wouldn't it? Some of them would be so addicted, they would literally die without it, but those who survived it would be stronger in the long run.

Or would they refuse to believe it, and keep worshipping God anyway? What would churches do? Religion is a multi-billion dollar industry in this country alone.
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  wilmiers77posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Amie, how would one go about proving that God doesn't exist? I am not the smartest person in the world, but I think that for an orphan to prove that his/her biological parents doesn't exist, so don't worry about it, would be infinitely easier
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  Amie Warrenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God is not anyone's biological father, because he is not biological. I'm sure if anyone was looking to prove he did not exist, it would not be someone who believed in him.
  
  Posing a question doesn't mean I'm worried about it. Believe me, God is the least of my worries, since I don't believe he exists.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then why ask the question?
  
  We will all know the truth soon enough.
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  Rishy Richposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Would u care to answer her question?
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually I thought I had, but looking back it must have been a similar thread...
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/53469?p … ost1221579
  
  The question (in any case) is a red herring, in that it would be impossible to prove beyond doubt that there was no God, especially to believers who have a relationship with Him, but my earlier post answer (link above) would suffice as my answer, I would revert to being a Wiccan, or Buddhist which were by far the most accommodating choices before I came to faith.
  
  But as it ain't gonna happen.....
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  Rishy Richposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What if God says that you are wrong...
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then I would accept His judgement, for He is Just.
  
  You see I came to believe that He was Just and that I was not, so I placed my faith in Him, and He has been faithful to me in that faith, and I trust Him totally, so if He found me to be wrong, it would be for a Just and perfect reason.
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  Rishy Richposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So if he says that he doesnt has a Son & never sent any messages & its foolish to have faith than logic, would u totally agree with him?
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Should He say that, of course I would agree with Him, however I stake my life, temporal and eternal on His word...
  
  ....and His word does not say that.
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  Rishy Richposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Buddy, he never talked to u . Next time he does that, please see a doctor.
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  libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Rishy Rich what if you are wrong? What if the 80 plus percent of the world is correct and there is a God??? What if he told you that you were doomed for not believing? What if he told you I created you, I created the world, I sent my son to die for your sins, I gave you simple commandments to live by, I had my people tell you time and time again, but you mocked them and claimed I was nonexistent?
  
  There will never be a person or group of people to prove God doesn't exist! Because God does exist! They can try until the end but it will never happen!
  
  A lot of people are in for a big surprize!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Prove a god doesn't exist? That's sort of trying to prove a negative.
  
  The simple fact is "god" is a imaginary thing and has always been that. It-'god' has always been considered imaginary by those who are rational thinkers.
  
  Rationale comes from the left side of our brain...the reasoning side.
  
  Imaginary ideas or concepts such as a god is nothing more than irrational people with a fear of the unknown things of their life.
  
  Having an imagination is meaningless unless ideas are made real. Thus, the OT mentioned 'god' as an "external" authority. It was based on those who ruled at the time. Those who ruled when religion began, based "religion" on a perceived notion that chaos would ensue, IF humanity was not MADE to answer to a higher authority than self.
  
  Dawned from "religion" came "politics and politicians". The philosophy of religion isn't about helping better humanity, but instead is about controlling people.
  
  Those who don't know any better don't realize that there is no god already, and always make the claim that there is proof that a god actually exists, even though they have no proof for it themselves, just hope or faith. Thus, creating dishonesty.
  
  The irrational argument created by those who claim " a god " really exists is false in it's premise to begin with. There is no absolute proof as to whether a god truly exists. However there is plenty of conjecture to support it. Usually from those who belief there to be a god.
  
  For those who claim to understand religion, I'll say it again, try living within the doctrine of your religion and find out for yourself how "true" the god's will or god's inspired words work out for you.
  
  IF there were a god- do you think it would be dumb enough to have it written down in a book. It's power would be felt, guaranteed. No doubt, no skeptics, no non-believers would even exist. It would already know the doctrines put forth in religion were wrong, and would have been smart enough to ensure faith/belief in it was also guaranteed, because in it's world, all is known, forwards toward anything and everything.
  
  So please...Enough said.
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  libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Casgil: God is imaginary to you because you make him to be that way! In everything I read from the nonbelievers about "controlling the masses" and "prove God exists" it seems perfectly clear to me that there is nothing to back your claim! You say christians have the burden of proof... but the truth is God doesn't have to prove himeslf to anyone! He is God! He doesn't need anyone's approval! Either they believe or they don't! There is no "burden of proof" where God is concerned! He doens't need justification or your's or anyone elses approval!
  
  I respect you as a person! But just because some of us believe in God makes us no less a person! We are guilty of nothing but believing in a living God! And for that we are deemed as unknowledgable or outright stupid! When many of us have degrees! However, this is biblical! We knew we would be tormented for our beliefs! So it is just scripture being fulfilled!
  
  You blame us for wars that happened many years ago.. in which we had no control over! Thats the same as blaming the white man for slavery when the white man today had nothing to do with slavery! You cannot blame people for anything that happened before their time! If any christian today pushes war or anything of the sort I am no part of it!
  
  Some are angered because they say we "push" our beliefs down your throats when in reality we are doing nothing more or less than you...defending our beliefs! When you state things as you did, like above, it is defending your personal beliefs! That is your right, just as it is our right to defend our own personal beliefs!
  
  The argument that one cannot live within the doctrine of his or her religion is untrue! The OT is before Jesus time! When Jesus came he told us we are to follow his commandments... he even added one commandment! He said if we follow the commandments, confess with our mouths and believe in our hearts then we are saved! Jesus became the sacrificial lamb! Jesus fulfilled the laws! And according to God's word not one word of the law can be changed until it is done... Jesus fulfilled it! Now we are under new law! One can argue all the OT laws all they want... but they need to read the NT and be more knowledgable to understand the real truth!
  
  The reason it is written down in a book is because he wants us to have freewill! You know the facts and can chose to accept him or not! There are consequences for every choice you make and he lays these all out for us! We are not living blindly because he has told us by his commandments what we should do!
  
  As I stated, I respect you Casgil! I do not respect your beliefs or your thoughts!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, blissful blindness. Gotta love it.
  
  Again, you fail to make your case. For all the talk you posted, you've actually managed to talk yourself right out of the conversation. Not that I am surprised.
  
  I guess you should work on your understanding of reality, before you go off spewing your beliefs as something of real or substance.
  
  Your beliefs have no substance compared to what is known. The simple fact that people continue to believe in a god is because they selfishly hope for something better than they are living in.
  
  The amount of stupidity and chosen ignorance in the world today is because of the religious folk, leaving it up to a god to do what's best? How F***ing ridiculous is that?
  
  So please....learn to live this life, before you think about having one after your dead. Your individual selfishness is very revealing to say the least.
  
  But, go on and say what you will.
  
  *and just to let you know- if there isn't any evidence- thus something part of our reality to give credence to a god's existence...then that would be proof that a god exists. It would have something real to support it.
  
  However, there IS NOT anything of credence. Just because, you MOUTH it out, doesn't make it real in reality.
  
  So the burden of proof is ON YOU because you're claiming what many people understand, doesn't exist. Thus, you must provide the proof.
  
  It's NOT the other way around. There is no proving a negative. Thus, your argument fails.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Presumptive, as you have no knowledge, only blind unbelief.
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  spookyfoxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Blind unbelief". First I've heard that.
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  libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Casgil! I'm not trying to make a case! I'm simply saying God is God! He does not need to prove himself to anyone! You can tell me my lack of knowledge doesn't surpize you.. that's okay! I don't mind! Say whatever you will! I don't need your approval either! I only need God's approval!!!
  
  Have a nice night!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God is God.
  
  That's the problem with religious folk. No morals and No sense.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now if I said, what you said, in reply to you, you would get offended.
  
  You not only make a broad and deceptive statement, but you insult 80% of the world population.
  
  Blind unbelief....
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Odd. I have seen you arguing that a large proportion of the world behaves badly and have no morals. Yet when you say it - it is the truth, when a non believer says it - it is an insult. The fact is that 80% of them are religious folk - why fight against that? We can all see this is the case.
  
  You have demonstrated a complete lack of moral values, and continue to actively go against what you claim to be following by arguing constantly with people who do not follow your nonsensical belief system.
  
  You do not follow what you claim to follow. What value is there in that? None. Your personal opinion on what some one else should be doing is all it is and an effort to pretend to some authority which you do not have. You have no authority. None.
  
  Jesus ain't coming back to prove you right, and if he did - I think you would be shocked to discover that he ain't impressed with the "do as I say, I am saved and you are not, God speaks to me into my head and you are a sinner," brigade, such as yourself.
  
  As you do not follow what you are pushing - it is worthless nonsense. You achieve the exact opposite of what you claim to be striving for. If I did not understand the allegorical nature of your belief system - I would be calling you Satan's minion right now. I mean - you do realise you are doing the work of the devil? Right?
  
  In fact - it is people such as yourself that originally convinced me it is all worthless garbage that no one actually believes. Thank you.
  
  On a serious note - really - thanks. I genuinely mean that. The fact that you demonstrably do not follow what you preach, and just use it to claim the moral high ground is honestly what made me look a little deeper into the whole thing as a child. You could be the reincarnation of some of my teachers at boarding school. You say exactly the same things and use exactly the same threats.
  
  Almost like you got them out of a book.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Mark, not just back, but back with a vengeance!
  
  Your rant is too long, and obviously just spleen venting, so I will not bother answering.
  
  But I'm pleased that I resemble some of your earlier teachers, for that would indicate (to me) that my values were secure and had not been corrupted by modernistic humanistic secular thinking, which is so deceptive.
  
  I have staked my temporal and eternal existence on being a Berean and correctly understanding Christs commandments, so I have the hope that I will hear the words 'Well done true and faithful servant', but if I were not to, then still Christ's judgement would be correct and I would not speak against Him.
  
  Just as you have staked the same on there being no existence to stand in judgement before Christ.
  
  One of us is wrong.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ah - yes - best to completely ignore what I said and accuse me of venting. The truth hurts huh?
  
  Keep doing the work of the devil in the name of Christ if that is what you think is morally correct.
  
  Dear me.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually the truth sets us free!
  
  God alone will decide who has been doing the work of Satan.
  
  Not you, not me, but Gods word illustrates that, and His judgement will prevail.
  
  Besides, if you are correct, there is no God, so I have nothing to worry about, except oblivion, so it's kind of a hedged bet isn't it, and if I am correct, do you believe that your activities are in line with the commands of Christ?
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  'Just' isn't part of "God's" make up.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  One can't know anything when one is dead.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm having to piggyback this reply to that of an earlier post. Reason being there's no <reply> button at the bottom of the post I'm responding to.
  
  aquasilver wrote;
  
  "...As I said to Mark earlier, I am no defender of Churchianity or any other man originated religion, but I do defend (verbally and in print) the written word, for Christ is frequently blamed for the actions of man."
  
  The Abrahamic religions are a man originated religion no different than those you don't follow. That said, God rightly is blamed for several reasons. First, the manufacturer retains responsibility for its products. Secondly, the stated Omni characteristics of; omnipresent and omniscence. Omni=all. Thirdly, the oft demonstrated interfereance in human affairs. Fourthly, the 'Divine Plan' rubbish.
  
  There are ramifications and reprecussions to stated attributes and claims.
  
  aquasilver wrote;
  "I disagree with capital punishment for the same reasons, for it does no good except guarantee that the murderer kills no more (which is possibly all the good that is needed), but I condone capital punishment, because God has dictated that murders should die for their crime, and I trust His decisions to be correct."
  
  God had dictated all who break the Sabbath at the level of picking up sticks are to have capital punishment applied to them. God's indicated every Christian on the planet is guilty of this and should be promptly executed. Clearly, you don't trust His decisions to be correct.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  wilmiers77posted
  
  "Amie, how would one go about proving that God doesn't exist?"
  
  Toddlers play. Look at what's given as the definition of the word. Look at the tenets and base concepts and claims. Look at the ramifications and repercussions, begged questions and broken logic.
  
  "I am not the smartest person in the world, but I think that for an orphan to prove that his/her biological parents doesn't exist, so don't worry about it, would be infinitely easier."
  
  {BOGGLE} An orphan is a child who's parents have died. Death indicates a lack of existence.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The billion dollar industry???? .. is ... NOT ... God !
  
  Why do peopleforget that ??
  
  God is not a religion though he can be found there!
  And sometimes religion is all that the person is looking for, in which case, that is what they find.
  Their time is not yet ... but soon .... they will be ready soon........
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God is fiction. The billion dollar industry, for all intents and purposes, is *God.* God is a sock puppet.
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  Zenofsongposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  this is a bit silly, no?
  If you say youve got proof that there is no god i'll just claim some other invisible omnipotent entity as the origin of existence.
  
  Every man and woman, toad and snail is god manifesting itself as the many things of existence. Yeah, there is no god, he is us.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it is not at all silly...since it challenges your idea of being, you think it is silly..there was big "IF" with statement..so just suppose there is no god...now how does it effect ur life?...
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Omni characteristics fail due to their own internal contradictions.
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  dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  sense when does a corporation need truth to make a profit???????
  especialy a nonprofit one!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Whatever it is, it is.
  No one can prove there is no God.
  
  You would have to know God to understand. Knowing personally that God exists, gives a person strength to go on.
  
  I have witnessed many people overcome some real obstacles because they trusted that God would help them, whether he is the mind in a person, nature itself, or a feeling God.
  
  And if we could prove there was God, would you admit it?
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Concerning proof of no God. Been there, done that, ad nauseum. Doesn't matter since the theist driver is emotional.
  
  "You would have to know God to understand. Knowing personally that God exists, gives a person strength to go on."
  
  The above quote is very silly and nonsense. Working within general Xian assertions....
  
  'God is unknowable/No one knows the mind of God' then the believer goes on to state what is 'known' or what God 'wants.'
  
  Check out the looney bins. You'll find many people who 'know personally' they're God/Jesus Christ, Napoleon, and all sorts of other delusional things.
  
  Granted, delusions can give a person strength.
  
  Your statement about 'overcoming real obstacles' and the like reminds me of an old Honeymooners skit.
  
  Ralph; And just *who* took you to the hospital after you got hit with that baseball bat?
  
  Norton: You did, Ralph. *After* you hit me with it!
  
  You can't 'prove' God. Heck, you folks can't even come up with a coherent definition for the three letter string! Begged questions, furious hand waving, unsupported assertions, and broken logic don't a definition make.
  
  That you believe is your business. That many people don't buy the superstition theists peddle is also your problem.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If god didn't exist man would invent him.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It doesn't and we did.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  With each individual believer 'rolling their own' God.
  
  God is a sock puppet.
  
  Thou Art God-Lazarus Long a character in a Robert A. Heinlein novel.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Many believers would shout; "Get thee behind me, Satan." Its emotion based. Reason and evidence don't enter the theistic universe.
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spookyfoxposted 13 years ago
"Or would they refuse to believe it, and keep worshipping God anyway?"

Very likely. And maybe claim that the proof is the work of the devil.
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  Amie Warrenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Or Obama's fault.
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  Baileybearposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  the ones that would face up to reality might experience grief. Those that ignore sense will continue to believe what they want to believe (and stuff it down other people's throats)
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Those who face up to reality might also experience; rage at the betrayal by parents, as well as great pain at having to waste years eliminating the malevolent religious programming they should have been protected from in the first place.
  
  Religion is for people who can't handle reality.
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pylos26posted 13 years ago
The desperate and weak would take the easy way and invent something to worship.
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  Amie Warrenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I suppose the crippled must have a crutch.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  While they inwardly rage at those who stand on their own two feet and stride past the hobblers.
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stilljustwonderinposted 13 years ago
God helps those who help themselves. So, it isn't like we just sit back and wait on everything to come to us. We know we have to do our part. We do take responsibility for our lives.
Actually God's existance, or not, can't be proven either way. The people who have felt him, his love, will never doubt him.
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  Amie Warrenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "God helps those how help themselves"...You know that's not from the Bible, don't you? It's from Shakespeare, I think. Funny how so many Christians who swear they know the bible quote that so often.
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  stilljustwonderinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wasn't quoting from the Bible. If I were to I would use the one that says, don't work, don't eat. Funny how athiest misunderstand so much that a Christian says.
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  Amie Warrenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not an Atheist, thank you, I'm a Pantheist, but that being said, I've read and studied four versions of the Bible and taught bible classes for years, so I do know a little about it.
  
  Believe me, there are more Christians who don't really know the Bible than those who do.
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  libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "God helps those who help themselves"
  
  Written by Ben Franklin!
  
  I think more christians know the Bible than you think! There may be a few who don't but I think or hope most of them have read their bibles and studied the scriptures out as I have! If they don't then shame on them!
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spookyfoxposted 13 years ago
Is it me or everyone's completely missing the point of this question? It's not how do you prove that god doesn't exist? or would it be possible to prove that god doesn't exist?

It's what if.
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  Amie Warrenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know, you know, but everyone else just wants to spout their own views. So be it.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Threads, like life, evolve.
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klarawieckposted 13 years ago
Amie, my favorite movie is "Contact" featuring Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey. She is a skeptic scientist and he is a preacher. There is a line where she asks him "How can you be certain that there is a God? How do you know you're not deluding yourself?" He answers: "I wouldn't want to live in a world where there's no God."
I think this is true for most people. It's not a matter of not wanting to take responsibility for our faults. It's a matter of feeling like we belong to something greater than ourselves.
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  spookyfoxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wonderful film. It didn't really portray religious people in a very good light though, besides the priest. It was based on Carl Sagan's book afterall and he was not a fan of god.
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  klarawieckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think it shows clear examples of what happens when people become fanatics of religion and science. The character that Jodie Foster plays is a fanatic of science. She had not even considered having a normal life since she was so concerned with her work. It's not until after she experiences something she can't explain that she begins to walk in someone else's shoes.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would indicate for her it was a normal life. No different than Condoleeza Rice {former US Secretary of State} or other driven goal oriented folks.
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  Amie Warrenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But even without God, we DO belong to something greater than ourselves. We belong to the Universe. How much bigger than that can you get?
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  klarawieckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, but in my personal opinion (and note I am not a religious person) I believe that God is the energy that embodies and moves everything that exists in the universe. I'm not thinking of an old white-bearded grandpa sitting on a throne surrounded by angels and clouds. So, if God is the Universe, then we do belong to it, just as we belong to the force that created it.
  
  P.S. - I'm passing the soup secret among friends. You are becoming famous!
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  Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  klarawieck, I agree. God is truly the main source of all his creations.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Trivially so.
  
  We are a very very very very very etc small and insignificant part of the universe. The universe isn't sentient so I don't think belong is the proper term. YMMV, of course.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Belong. Concerning Christianity such is slavery.
  
  So often things come down to the 'promise' of 'Eternal Life' coupled with the 'eternal binary consequence' of 'Heaven' and 'Hell.'
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Merlin Fraserposted 13 years ago
For those that are interested there is ample proof of the non existence of God, however as mentioned here, there are many who need the crutch of faith to sustain their lives and give their existence some sort of meaning, other than the obvious.

For the greater part it is not a failure of education it is rather a refusal to believe or accept the blindingly obvious. Of course, as we have demonstrated here in the Hub Pages forum it is clearly a waste of time trying to explain anything to anyone with such religious mind set. Mentally they are incapable of accepting such information and will use the most ridiculous arguments and Biblical quotes to justify and cling to their belief.

Presumably their life would be meaningless without God, a fact I find a little sad since it demonstrates how little they think of themselves and their abilities.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good to see your normal pomposity is still working overtime.
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  Amie Warrenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Our minds do what they need to do to survive. If your mind isn't capable of believing or coping with reality, it will go into a dissociative state, which is the state most religious fanatics live in. Some of them even live in a fugue state, totally divorced from any reasonable sense of reality.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Merlin Fraser posted
  
  "For those that are interested there is ample proof of the non existence of God, however as mentioned here, there are many who need the crutch of faith to sustain their lives and give their existence some sort of meaning, other than the obvious."
  
  A person can give them self a 'purpose' then change it when they choose.
  
  Concerning a universe spanning multiple omni character-there is nothing a theist can do for such a entity.
  
  There would be no notice or connection to said entity much less any 'relationship' personal or otherwise.
  
  "For the greater part it is not a failure of education it is rather a refusal to believe or accept the blindingly obvious. Of course, as we have demonstrated here in the Hub Pages forum it is clearly a waste of time trying to explain anything to anyone with such religious mind set."
  
  Of course not, but there are lurkers observing the interchanges. Theists are driven by emotional needs, induced or otherwise. Reason and objective evidence don't enter their universe. Its a royal mind f**k.
  
  "Mentally they are incapable of accepting such information and will use the most ridiculous arguments and Biblical quotes to justify and cling to their belief."
  
  Toddler tactics as per those seen from those who've just learned Santa Claus doesn't really deliver toys to all the good girls and boys. That's what I find the most horrifying-the mental level of those tactics.
  
  "Presumably their life would be meaningless without God, a fact I find a little sad since it demonstrates how little they think of themselves and their abilities."
  
  Their meager existence is less meaningless with their deity.
  
  Being very charitable, what if their 'purpose' was, as an infant, puking on someone to distract someone else for a moment.
  
  The purpose of their life was fulfilled at the very beginning of life. Should they then die since there's no further use for them?
  
  I've asked theists this many times. I've never gotten a reply.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
The Creator-God Allah YHWH does exist; so there is no "if"; the valid question is if we exist.
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  chubatemjenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Amie..you raised a good question..to take away heroine from a junkie isn't the same of God being invalidated..Matter of faith and belief goes much more than tangible objects or even mental states that are transitory in nature.
  As such it forms an inseparable aspect of your life..the Bread of Life for Christians....Brahman of Hindus... etc..It is in fact the inherent subtle force .
  One need to be spiritual.
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  Amie Warrenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  WHY does one need to be spirtual? There are plenty of perfectly happy non-spiritual people in the world. I'm very spiritual, but I'm not religious, but I would still be able to have a good life without being spiritual.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Solipsism.
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Bill Manningposted 13 years ago
I have a very good friend who is religious. We are best friends, old school buddies. I don't believe in any higher being. We have fun debating the whole god thing, it's all good.

Anyway I once said he must be very religious and very loyal to it since he goes to church all the time.

He replied that he does not go because he's so loyal, he goes because he NEEDS to hear what the church says. He goes because he needs to know there is a god looking over him.

He said he could not imagine thinking that everything is just up to him, that he controls everything in his life. He can't go through life thinking that it's all up to him, nothing more.

He needs to believe in something, anything, to help him get through life. God or no god, he needs one, see? So prove or no prove, people like him will still believe in a higher form.

I'm fine with that, we all need something. That's why I don't debate this crap. If you need to believe in a higher being, go for it. It helps you in life, so who am I to take that away?

So in answer to your question, they already go on believing anyway, right now, something, anything to help them live. As we all do in our own way.

I believe I need to get me a Dunkin Dougnuts coffee right now to get me through the day!!
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What would be interesting to know is the reason why he believes he needs to believe? Perhaps, it is the very religion he follows that created the psychological need for him to believe in the first place? Food for his thought.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  BINGO! In the main, such a need is deliberately and with malice aforethought created in the defenseless mind.
  
  I can't recall who the Bishop or Cardinal who's said to have stated; "Give us a child before he is seven and he will not stray from the path we put him on."
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  Amie Warrenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I can understand that. It's not every man who is capable of surviving without a crutch of some sort, in fact, very few can. Even those who claim to be atheists have some sort of crutch...money, power, fame....whatever.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  All an atheist is is a person who isn't a theist. Theists are atheist with regard to all other deity(ies) but theirs.
  
  I lack belief in deity constructs. That and pocket change will get me a cup of coffee. [shrug]
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Kudos to your friend, Bill. He knows himself. He knows what he needs and why he needs it.
  
  I would indicate he's a very wise man, and you're welcome to pass that along to him.
  
  Regards,
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pisean282311posted 13 years ago
would it destroy my life.No..i dont believe in god as described by religions...but i believe even if someone discovers that there is no god with proper proof, it must not be made public...it would be dangerous thing to do that...
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've heard many Xians indicate if they weren't restrained by the threat of Hell they'd be out, raping, murdering, pillaging, thieving, among all sorts of unsavory enterprises.
  
  So many cannot be unobserved or 'off leash.'
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alternate poetposted 13 years ago
If a god rolled up dying and told the religionists as it rolled over just " I am dead" they would spend the next thousand years telling us what it really meant.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Funny that....you just quoted some scripture!
  
  Revelation 20:4-6 (Amplified Bible)
  
  Then I saw thrones, and sitting on them were those to whom authority to act as judges and to pass sentence was entrusted. Also I saw the souls of those who had been slain with axes [beheaded] for their witnessing to Jesus and [for preaching and testifying] for the Word of God, and who had refused to pay homage to the beast or his statue and had not accepted his mark or permitted it to be stamped on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived again and ruled with Christ (the Messiah) a thousand years.
  
  The remainder of the dead were not restored to life again until the thousand years were completed.
  
  This is the first resurrection.
  
  Blessed (happy,to be envied) and holy (spiritually whole, of unimpaired innocence and proved virtue) is the person who takes part (shares) in the first resurrection!
  
  Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, but they shall be ministers of God and of Christ (the Messiah), and they shall rule along with Him a thousand years.
  
  Come soon Lord Jesus!
  
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  Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes!! Praise God!
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  libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Double Yes!!!
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  marty1968posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Amen and Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He's been breathing hard for two millennia! Talk about a terminal case of blue balls.
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Mishaposted 13 years ago
It is not possible to prove any non-existence.
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Misha, I thought I already proved to you that I don't exist and neither do you. Why are you contradicting that?
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Mishaposted 13 years ago
Just for fun David, just for fun. In fact, if I don't exist, I can't contradict anything.
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  BDazzlerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's a very good point, Misha, I'm sorry I contradicted you
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
The Creator-God Allah YHWH does exist; so there is no "if"; the valid question is if we exist.
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schoolgirlforrealposted 13 years ago
No it wouldn't and I'm (very) spiritual.
I would just adapt
and have as much fun as I could!
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How so {if I may ask}? {curiosity}
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Diane Insideposted 13 years ago
If there was no God then I guess I would stop trying to be nice to people who are not nice to me. Stop trying to do the right thing, even though there are those who are preditors, I still try to be nice and respectful. But if there is no accountability then why bother being nice.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well actually without accountability if one is nice , it makes one realize true self...it is great to be nice without motivation of heaven ,being in good books of any god or in fear in getting hell for eternity..if one is nice irrespective of what he/she gets that manifests the humanness and is in fact much better than being nice with purpose of something...
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no there is no reward in being nice to go to heaven, When I am nice it is because I believe we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us, right.
  
  Well, if someone is not nice, but down right mean, should I turn the other cheek, when there is no accountability. No! I wouldn't turn the other cheek, and would put that person in his place.
  
  But because I believe that one should turn the other cheek and not lash out at every unfortunate person who comes my way who is not nice, I feel that I am trying to be better than my instincts tell me to be. Because that is what God would want me to do.
  
  If there were no God then what would it matter, Mind you I wouldn't be mean just to be mean, but at the same time, I would not make the effort to be nice when others make it hard to do so.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i got your point of view..thanks for sharing...
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  schoolgirlforrealposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't buy that.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it is not for buying..it is paramount of humaness..
  
  any person doing good without fear of hell or heaven..without being concerned whether there is god or not is highest level of what human can reach..since humans are self interested being...doing good for being in good books or heaven or hell is easy and natural than doing good for sake of doing good...latter part is difficult ...but if implemented it woudl bring human to next level...
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schoolgirlforrealposted 13 years ago
You know, I know at least one person who has told me (and they are agnostic or atheist) that they are unhappy in life because they didn't choose to be born.
that if they came out of a "rich womb" life would have been better.
so your perspective is obviously a factor in your happiness.
What's wrong in beliving there's a better life in Heaven?
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  am not saying there is anything wrong..it is perfect and infact i may say quite natural way of thinking...concept of heaven does exist much before all organized religion came into being...so humans think that way and since it works it is nice way too...
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  schoolgirlforrealposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well that was unexpected
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Diane Insideposted 13 years ago
It amazes me that unbelievers talk so much of morales and values.
It is actually comical.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why is that? We are morally superior. This is obvious.
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes the fact that you say that is highly comical.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You would not understand, obviously. You are blinded by your beliefs. So sad.
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It just seems to me that predators have no morals. If you are not a predator, why do you seek out religious forums to comment in. If not to attack, anyone who has any belief at all. It seems to me if you are so moral, you would leave us little peasants alone, since we are to ignorant to understand what the heck you might be talking about.
  
  I mean please, we are beneath you, why would you bother.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why? An attempt to educate in order to prevent the countless conflicts and wars caused by the religious. Sorry you are incapable of understanding true morality, but I must try. So sad.
  
  Are you preying for Jesus to come back and force us to our knees as well?
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Get off your High Horse, Mark.
  
  You are no better than anybody else. Sorry to burst your bubble, but facts are facts.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @diane attacking someone on forum is different thing and taking someone's life is different thing..name one atheist which killed masses for no god theme?...while religion has killed and would kill in future too in name of someone whom they call full of love ...history is filled by politics and religion killing maximum people...so religion and politics are last entities which can preach morality...i am not saying that people following religion are not moral..far from it...most are great people..no doubt about it...but religion as entity has no grounds to call for morality....
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Lenin..... need more?
  
  Between them they killed 75 million folk.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  wrong..that was political ideology...give name which killed for proving no god theme..like religion kills for my god only god theme..dont mix non religious and politics...
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well I would think that killing folk because you are an atheist is pretty near a perfect example of killing for your god only, but of course you will refuse to recognise that you are an atheist evangelist preaching non belief, even if you will draw short at killing believers.
  
  Actually I cannot understand your question... care to rephrase it in clear English?
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well I would think that killing folk because you are an atheist is pretty near a perfect example of killing for your god only
  
  agreed..i agree with your statement..but my concern is not whether atheist kills or non atheist kills..my question is purpose of killing...if atheist is killing for personal power...well it wont last long...but religion does last long and once killing is validated by precedent example..it stays there...religion has capacity to appeal to masses and mob can be directed to do unthinkable...that is my concern...
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OK, now I think I understand...
  
  Yes, I can agree, anybody killing and saying God told them to do it is out of order IN TODAYS WORLD and by that I mean since Christ walked the earth, and YES millions have been killed in the name of one religion or another, and I could not and would not defend or condone that as correct.
  
  As I said to Mark earlier, I am no defender of Churchianity or any other man originated religion, but I do defend (verbally and in print) the written word, for Christ is frequently blamed for the actions of man.
  
  Apparently even Buddhists have committed massacres, and there is no way that Buddha would have condoned that!
  
  So I agree, all killing, actually for any reason, is wrong, with the possible exception of using force to defend someone who is being attacked by an aggressor, and where the intention was not to kill, but restrain, and they died as a result of their refusal to stop the attack.
  
  I disagree with capital punishment for the same reasons, for it does no good except guarantee that the murderer kills no more (which is possibly all the good that is needed), but I condone capital punishment, because God has dictated that murders should die for their crime, and I trust His decisions to be correct.
  
  But killing overall I agree is the mark that a society, political organisation, or religious group, have lost the plot.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Muhammad did the same thing; he was peaceful and rational; he did everything as was appropriate to do on its proper occasion; and everything to this effect is recorded in Quran with every necessary details.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then I can only conclude that Mohammed's followers today are not understanding this, because they are not complying with what you describe.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Like taking a six year old for a wife and consumating that marriage when she was 9? I guess he was trying to set a good example. Luckily his more than 20 concubines didn't seem to mind.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There is no such teaching in Quran; if you find any, please quote it
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A lack of theism isn't a motivator. Pol Pot was, iirc, educated by Catholics. Stalin went to seminary and was thrown out.
  
  I lack thirst yet I drink a glass of water. I wasn't thirsty so that wasn't a motivator. To discover the motivator(s) one would have to inquire or to observe subsequent actions for a period afterwards.
  
  The OP isn't an 'evangelist' nor is he 'preaching' anything. He hasn't said anything about, or suggested, one should not believe.
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do they count? I mean surely it has to be only religion that causes people to kill people.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Aww - never really understood this. It is OK that religious people kill for religion, because some people kill for other reasons?
  
  I get that right? So sad.
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No of course you didn't get it right, but like I said you don't understand, and could never.
  
  Sorry you are so sad. You need to find something to be happy about, since never once have I ever seen you be happy about anything.
  
  Just bitterness.
  
  No just saying that people kill for almost any reason imaginable, religion or not. And so it is not religion that causes war, as I have said before it is intolerance, and greed.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well diane people kill for any reason is true..but religion brain washed people more than any other thing...heaven , my god only god , fighting for righteousness , fighting against satan etc etc..now known of these things can be proved rationally and that is where problem lies..because when some one is convinced in something which none can prove, how to counter that?...people easily kill in name of religion without feeling guilty or regretting ..religion is dangerous if used to drive masses for intolerance...
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes - it does make me sad that there are people such as yourself claiming tolerance when they are not tolerant.
  
  Although, I think it is wonderful that you no longer think Jesus is coming back and do not think anyone will bow their knee to god.
  
  When did you have this change of heart? Does this mean you no longer wish to move to Ireland and think abortion is OK?
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Couldn't find it could you? Hmmm... Shocking!
  
  Why don't you show How tolerant you are, would you? I'd like to see that also.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Aww - dear me. you jumped into a conversation I was having with some one else who said that and started attacking me. LOLOL Odd how you cannot understand how you are manipulated by it and are here defending it. You are blinded into aggression by your religious beliefs. How sad.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Diana Inside wrote:
  "And so it is not religion that causes war, as I have said before it is intolerance, and greed."
  
  Yes, Christianity does cause war. The Crusades, the purging of 'heretics,' the Holy Inquisition, the pogrom against 'witches.'
  
  Jeremiah 48:10
  King James Bible
  Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.
  
  1 Samuel 15 (King James Version)
  3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
  
  Numbers 31 (King James Version)
  1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
  
  2Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
  
  3And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
  
  4Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
  
  5So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
  
  6And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
  
  7And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
  
  8And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
  
  9And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
  
  10And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
  
  11And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
  
  12And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
  
  13And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
  
  14And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
  
  15And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
  
  16Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
  
  17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
  
  18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no not only religion. Religion and Politics...at times politics uses religion since it is easy to use religious masses already there...at times religion uses politics...both have worked independently and at times co ordinating...both are responsible for highest killings in the world and both cannot claim any moral preaching...yes people can..i dont say that..followers of religions have been create people ...i dont reject that.. but religion as entity has been responsible for deaths of many and would continue to do so...
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  marty1968posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mark it may be a laughing matter to you now but when the day comes and you are on your knees you will say to yourself "they tried to tell me and I was too stubborn to listen" My friend Im afraid your heart has been hardened just as Pharoahs was when God led the children away from bondage. And My friend, You WILL be on your knees cause no man is worthy to stand in God's presence
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  why are you deciding on someone's worthiness?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please stop threatening me with your invisible super being. And you wonder why you cause so much ill will? You are not my friend. My friends do not shove their ridiculous beliefs down my throat with threats.
  
  How offensive it is that you feel the need to threaten in god's name. Does it make you feel powerful?
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  marty1968posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thats no threat. Its a promise
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you don't believe in this "nonsense" then why are you threatened by it Mark.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am protecting the innocent who do not realise it is an empty threat as I am morally bound to do - you would not understand. Please stop spreading this fear and hatred. It causes wars and ill will.
  
  Thank you.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  your promise ..right?...but why are you imposing your promise on another..after all it is your promise.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please stop threatening me.
  
  Do you not understand why this causes so many wars?
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How is anybody shoving anything down your throat, is someone holding a gun to your head making you look in these forums?
  
  Please, you seek it out.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Dear me. I am doing what is morally and ethically the right thing to do. You cannot understand - obviously, because you are incapable of developing a moral compass. So sad.
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thats what you call morals. Oh well obviously you do not understand, sorry for thinking you understood what morals and ethics really are.
  
  It is my mistake.
  
  What causes war in intolerance of the beliefs of others. Thats it end of story. One religion or the other, or no religion, it all causes war because of intolerance.
  
  But of course to blame religion is easier, I see that, and I know that you can't understand that. It's okay, not everybody gets that. But maybe someday it will become clear.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was not blaming religion. I was blaming you personally. You. For being intolerant and having no morals. You. Telling people they WILL bend their knee to your god - hmm. That is being tolerant? Interesting.
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't say that so your placing blame on me for no reason, I challenge you to go back and find where I said that. I want to see it.
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  [sigh] There it is-the same old empty threat.
  
  'Astonishing' how Xians natter the same drivel while ignoring all the older religions who's deity promises the same eternal and dire consequences.
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  Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mark, you think you are morally superior than God also don't you?
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Demonstrably so. First, Mark can be demonstrated to exist.
  
  Secondly, he's never threatened anyone with eternal torture where the 'fire dieth not and the worm never turns.'
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  Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God has exist before the creation of this world. Secondly, that's not a threat, it's a warning from God's word in the bible. God give everyone a choice to go to heaven or hell. Mark will never be morally superior above God, and that's a fact.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes ! Like if you tell your child; "don't put your hand in the fire cause it will burn your skin!" Is not a threat !
  It is a warning. AND "Don't drive down that road in the car that you are driving! You are going to get stuck".
  
  It isn't a threat but a warning!
  
  As they Say ! A word to the wise is sufficient!
  
  And instead of saying ....I told ya so! ...
  Now Ya Know sounds much nicer.
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  Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jerami, nicely stated! It's a shame how someone constantly tries to make God look evil. God loves each and everyone of us.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  YEP! Some people will always find something that THEY in Their infinate wisdom; is going to think, "That Ain't right"
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, it is indeed a threat. A warning would be a message of a danger. A threat is where there is an intention to inflict harm.
  
  Making a choice to go to heaven or hell is a threat, not a warning. If it was just a warning, then one should have the capacity to avoid both heaven and hell.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you had designed the world that is the way it would be?
  
  Can YOU really do that?
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would never have designed a world in which threats of eternal damnation existed for those who simply wished to use their brains.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So you support anarchy??
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where do you come up with this stuff?
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well if everyone gets to determine what is right?
  You are goina be crying like a baby when someone bigger that you gets to tell you what they think is right.
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  Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Beelzedad, You are a right! a warning is a message of danger. The bible warns us about hell, not threaten. God does not have a intention to inflict harm, so therefore it's not a threat. I am sure you will found a way to rebel again. Take care
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  because morality and religion seems to be in symmetry but actually both are two different things..one may be religious and morally upright as well as morally corrupt..in same way being morally upright doesnot require being religious at all...every one does have basic sense of morality which is in built ,one doesnot need conditioning of religion for it...
  
  countries sitting right at top on moral index are infact non religious countries where majority have filled spiritual but not religious box...
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Which ones would that be?
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  quiet a few but for e.g. - sweden...According to different studies, between 46% and 85% of Swedes do not believe in God...
  
  Newzealand - Christianity is the predominant religion in New Zealand, held by 55.6% of the population, a decrease from 60.6% at the 2001 census. Another 34.7% indicated that they had no religion, up from 29.6% in 2001
  
  Finland -The second largest group - and a rather quickly growing one - of 17.7% of the population has no religious affiliation.
  
  In various countries religion is quickly eroding but integrity and morality aren't..simple example that two are different things...
  
  My only worry is eroding of one religion and second filling the vacuum is not the answer though...
  
  Moral values without religion controlling lives is ideal evolution according to me..I dont mind people being religious as long as it remains private matter and has nothing to do with politics and public domain...
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  Baileybearposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Historically, religion has been used for politics, to control people
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  agreed..religion is for controlling people and using masses to achieve goals...goals vary from finances to power to stay influential.
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  Baileybearposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've just been reading how the bible is all code for astrology. Very interesting.
  http://members.cox.net/deleyd/religion/david16.html
  The leaders of the church knew the code, and could "predict" the best times for planting and harvest etc by stargazing
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  pisean282311 posted;
  
  "Moral values without religion controlling lives is ideal evolution according to me..I dont mind people being religious as long as it remains private matter and has nothing to do with politics and public domain..."
  
  Exactly. It being a private matter is ordered by Jesus which is generally ignored by his 'followers.'
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Diane Insideposted 13 years ago
No you give religion to much power and people no credit. Religion is only a belief system, whatever belief that may be. People who kill in the name of religion only use that as an excuse. Therefore it is not the religion that does anything it is the people who decide to kill people.

Like I said intolerace to other beliefs and down right greed that causes war.

Not all followers of any religion believe they should not be tolerant, it is a select few who hold those beliefs.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well you are right but select few only matter actually..it is select few who make religion , it is select few who direct masses and it is select few who decide...general people follow with belief they are born with or take option which they think is best...but options have already been decided by select few...
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said you give people no credit. To decide for themselves, what they want, or believe.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well i give all credit to humans only...i give none of credit to god...all credit is for humans who defied nature ...religion too is human's creation and has been wonderful in directing human race..i give credit to all those who came up with these idea..though i dont like religion because of its outdated concepts and dangerous possibilities , i do give religion credit for contributing in human evolution..without religion social order would have been difficult think to achieve...marriage , do good , fear god all worked and helped humans evolve...for me it is all humans , all the way ,right from 0.2 million years....
  
  coming to what people believe..well my saying anything wont change what people believe...would it?..people think they decide what they belief but that is possible only if all religions are taught since childhood..as well as atheism is taught..then people have choice...how can one decide when one is not given option?
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  Diane Insideposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  okay good we agree it is people who decide.
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CYBERSUPEposted 13 years ago
God Bless America, where we are free to worship whomever we want. In God we trust, seems to in all our pockets.
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LeslieAdrienneposted 13 years ago
You asked, "Or would they refuse to believe it, and keep worshiping God anyway?"

This would be me......
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  stoneyyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Which is your prerogative.
  
  Cheers
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