Is it proper to give my thithe to the widow,orphan and the stranger in need?
Then why do pastors never emphasize this? Most of the ones I have heard preachng tell people to bring thithes to the church and never mention giving them directly to those in need in our society.
Not sure where you've been going to church but pastors do and should ask congregants to bring their thithes to the church, it's needed to support the church and the mission of the church. Most that I've attended ask for "thithes and offerings" - this is inserted so that the thithes can be given to support the church organization and the offerings are used to support the needs of the community. If you don't find that your particular congregation is supporting the same things you feel passionate about, go church shopping.
Do not misunderstand me, what I intended to know is if apart from giving and thithing in church, I can also give and thithe to the needy when an opportunity shows up. Cos much is not taught about this, and at times when I do this I feel and wonder if I have done the right thing, sometimes the church raises am offering for the needy and I feel I can give directly to them if I come across them but then, its proper I believe, if I ask.
Being a middle man has its perks.
Reputation, money, choices who to help, etc, makes'em feel important. I would think.
But not all, don't take me wrong. Not all do the wrong thing or live well while doing it.
I just prefer not to have someone between me and someone I am helping.
Or talking to, like God. I can talk to him myself.
Must be my protestant upbringing. Not that I am any certain denomination. I am Christian period.
Good ole Martin Luther, he was right. No middle men neccessary.
I will only suggest that you pray before giving anything at all. God loves a cheerful giver. Tithes are not a part of salvation, but is strictly voluntary. It is simply between you and the Lord.
Even though he isn't one himself, a giver, that is. His great works of generosity are seen in small graves across the planet, thousands of new ones, daily, with fresh young souls for him to feed on.
Of course, we wouldn't want you acting out of compassion for your fellow man when your own personal salvation is on the line.
And, to hell with everyone else.
It seems that whoever your are or whatever your beliefs are, many people are going to not believe what you believe.
Therefore I must be a non believer acording to someone elses defination, If I do not believe what they believe?
So we are all nonbelievers?
I think we can, that is, if we want to support a religious organization and be confident our offerings are spent wisely. Since it's practiced all over the world, there does not appear to be a restriction on who can and who can't offer tithe.
We have a really good church infrastructure locally which I have always supported. Never heard a religious word pass their lips in 12 years!
They are all too busy feeding the poor and caring for the homeless and kids that need help to do any preaching.
I was being sarcastic in reply to the prev. post as you will have figured.
Fantastic. It sounds like they are giving where most needed and giving credit where credit is due. I suspect you'd be one of the first to point it out if they weren't?
I suspected that at first, but there was a smiley, not a wink beside your post.
God gives you everything you need to survive. The air that you breathe, the food you eat all comes from God.
Yet, he only gives that food to you and yours while ignoring thousands of children who die of starvation every day.
How do you explain that massive discrepancy, SirDent?
Oh boy this again. This "argument" has been answered several times Q, why bring it up again? You look desperate.
Usually...if it goes through the hands of religion...they receive crumbs.
If it goes from your hand to theirs...they receive the bread.
You can give gifts and charity to orphans or the needy but tithe is for the church, thus why God says "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse". It is church, oh, most people thinks when you give tithes to the Pastor, you're enriching him but the point is, the anointing on the minister is not for him only. We don't just contact the anointing by saying but by tithing. Never hesitate in giving tithes but remember tithes are not for orphans but for the church.
Your tithe should go to whatever church you are a member of.
In my line of thinking, a thithe is paid in to support something, an offering is given to help. I like TMMason's answer.
before Jesus walked the face of the earth, we lived by the bible law... The law was very clear as what was expected of us... We were to tithe 10% (not only 10% but the first fruits) The laws of the land (biblical law) had many customs, and ritutals to make an offer to God as payment for our sin and to show our obidenece to His Law....
Then Jesus came, he made a "NEW" covetant, not to CHANGE the old but to show that it had been FUFILLED.... He spoke in parables, which are not as CLEAR cut as the law was in the old testiment...
So each of us read and see things just a little different, not once did Jesus tithe in the new testiment as far as I can tell... (if you say he had nothing to tithe did he and his disciples have bread and fish??? back to the first fruits of the old testiment times)
He did feed MANY with what they had, not only food but with Words, now from the Word Of God I read that I am to be like Jesus, so with all that said I must say that I alone will answer to God for what I do....
I tithe ZERO.... now that said I do give much more then 10%, but I give it where I feel it is needed most... Some times I give it to the church because I know it cost money to keep a church.... I give to women's centers for abused women a Christian Based Mission group.... I give to the Food bank because they feed the hungry... I give to the rescue mission as they house the homeless...
Now my giving is alot like Jesus' was.... I give not only money, but food, socks, clothing, and my TIME...
FOR ME by my giving, I have been blessed greatly.. not only with THINGS but sometimes just the peace of mind knowing I helped someone that needed it... here is a true story to think about....
The local high school sold tickets for a raffle to raise money to lock the graduates in over night to keep them safe on the day they graduated...
I bought 10 tickets.... not to win, but to support a great cause in my eyes.... Now I have stated I give more then 10%, anyway I gave something the day before the drawing... anyway I won $1,000 bucks Thanksgiving day.... So before we did anything we gave 100 bucks to the church....then my wife asked if we could give gift cards to the womens center... that was 75 bucks... my wife and I decided to buy 300 pairs of wool socks, and 120 pairs of underwear... in hopes that every homeless man had a set of each Christmas day....
I dont state this to brag... it is simply to glorify God who has blessed me more then I could ever want or DESERVED....
so far it sounds like a great story... but here is where the true blessing comes in.... My wife won $400 bucks shortly after all this... just in time for us to buy a snow blower the day of the storm here on the east coast.... how was that a blessing... I was able to help not one, not two, but a FEW elderly neighbors with all the snow that fell here....
So from a few bucks invested in what we felt was a good cause, we were able to help countless people... if we had given that same money to the church as part of our tithe how would this story be different....
NOW like I said one day I will stand before God and answer for these statements.... PLEASE do not go by my words alone.... Turn to God in prayer and ask him what he wants you to do with HIS money that you watch over...
I hope that you find the peace in your heart where you know what you are doing is what God wants from you....
Yup. God moves through all our lives if we just look for him, he is there.
To God be the glory for your answer, the truth is I have battled over the years with the shame of not being able to sufficiently help out people in need, because for me the thithe is my bulkiest giving and thats when I remember to be consistent, and struggling with giving it to the church and always feeling a deep sense of emptyness and unfulfilment and above all these,feeling that something is wrong that I cant lay a finger on is the more confusing. But thank God for you, now I feel liberated, one more thing I have learnt from you is the aspect of giving more than 10%. I think Im going to give it a shot. Thanks once again and God bless.
Well said again.... this is getting to be a habit!
Tithe, who concern themselves with paying tithes?
The religious ones who do not yet understand who they are.
The sons of God are under no such obligation.
I don't do god, I give or tithe directly to give monthly support to child in Africa, I adopted a child, and give to the needy when I can, as well as giving to the church which does a lot for local charity. I try to give of myself every day as well to those I see needing a hand.
Heathens give too!
Hurray for your giving to the church and other charities earnest.
For the new year why not try God as well. Evidently He already has your tithe.
I take people and organizations as I find them. I do not mind that the church that I assist and I disagree on belief and apparently neither do they!
These are good people doing a good job and deserve my support.
I support what works, and forgive them their beliefs.
I always struggled with this. I thithe 10% to missions and the church. Over and above my thithing I have given to other needs. God knows your heart and if you thithed to help out others, I'm sure God is well pleased.
I gotta go again. We are goin out to eat and celebrate my wifes graduation on this new years eve. We are old so it don't take long to celebrate. See ya later.
Rick Warren is looking for $9,000, you could give it to him...
Oh, excuse me.$900,000 is what he needs...
Humanists would argue that giving to charity is a human emotion and part of thousands of years of compassion engendered by experience and evolution.
It's a fair point. But Darwin never rejected God, and as his theories have been hijacked conveniently by both atheists and humanists - Richard Dawkins for example - he can be all things to all men.
Unfortunately, those that would rather worship at the temple of Tesco or Wal-Mart on a Sunday, and drop a few coins into a bucket held by some charity worker, may kid themselves into some peculiar sense of satisfaction. However they don't go to church and cannot embrace themselves in the experience of collective worship.
They miss out considerably, because they cannot experience the feelings of a congregation all united in one joy - the love of Jesus Christ.
It's irrelevant whether Christians feel good by giving to their church. All that matters is that they give, and it is an action to acknowledge that someone, somewhere may be better off because of it.
I'm not a regular church goer, and years past I resented the wealth and power of the Catholic Church. Then again, I rejected the Church of England and its Anglican influences. After all, it was fabricated on the whims and fancies of a monarch who wanted to divorce one woman to marry another.
But if there is one thing that get my hairs standing on end, its going to church on Christmas Day and realising that the day represents everything we hold dear. And when I offer my "tithes" I do it willingly, and it is the one day a year when I light a candle in remembrance of loved ones past.
If you don't experience this, then that is your prerogative. But personally, I see no joy in sitting down with family at a laden table with a turkey as centerpiece to celebrate an occasion of which I have not taken time out to appreciate the meaning.
To do otherwise is hypocrisy and ignorance or contempt. So why bother? We bother that at least one day a year, regardless of our personal beliefs, we respect those of others, and if we didn't there is no meaning, and it is just a purely rampant commercial exercise of wanton largess.
And here, all along, I was under the impression those theories were put to practical use in micro-biology to combat diseases and viruses, not to mention used for practical purposes in every single body of science today. Silly me.
Embracing mass delusion in worshiping the invisible and undetectable just does not seem to appeal to some people. Go figure.
Would that be the same joy and love that Jesus Christ offers to the starving? How many children starve to death on Christmas day while you and yours are embraced in this so-called joy and love?
To "Q".You sound rather bitter. Two issues here. First Darwin: He didn't set out to cure medicinal ills. He embarked on a five year voyage as botanist for HMS Beagle. He formulated his theories and waited a further twenty years to publish them. Your point about them being put to practical use has nothing to do with faith, his faith, my faith or even yours.
Second, your reference to my "joy and Love" as you put it is merely an attempt to cast aspersion and is purely churlish and juvenile.
There's nothing clever about your reply, and such is it's shallow and unqualified substance that I am loathe to respond to it.
nevertheless, you cannot be permitted to spout unadulterated nonsense without a challenge.
Happy new year and cheer up!
You sound rather presumptuous.
So what? I don't recall referring to his faith or yours.
If you say so, but it does point out the hypocrisy of your post quite nicely.
As expected. One who spouts hypocrisy would be loathe to have to endure the consequences.
Well, where's the challenge, then?
During the great commission, the disciples were to spread the good news to the world. This started with 12 followers of Jesus in Gods design plan for the world to get and receive His message of salvation. Unfortunately today man is destroying the very existence of man. If you are to give tithe or service, you should give it to the church to help it grow and deliver in it's visions for the glory of God the Father. Tithing is relevant in services also, because not many people have money to give. Only 2% of people honestly give a 10% tithing gift to the church. Charity goes along way and is appreciated by God, for He tells you that Charity is Love and Love is God. Use your better judgment to where your money can be best utilize for His glory and His service and not for the living of the world, but for the living to the Father.
I will gladly receive all thithes if they are naked, long and sexy as long as they are attached to a lady.
I am not sure if it matters where we give it, what is most important is that we give and give generously. Just my thoughts, Holly
Here's a thought, Holly.
If Jesus was instrumental in providing the funds to give away, why not just give them back to Jesus and tell him to go feed the starving children?
Why should he give it to us in order for us to give to them? Makes no sense.
Q, I couldn't care less what thoughts rattle around in your cynical mind.
Oh, I see, you are under the impression that because I expose the hypocrisy and hatred of your religion, that makes me cynical?
No Holly, I'm actually the one here that DOES think humans are compassionate. YOU are the one that believes humans are evil, based on your beliefs.
Who is the cynical one, here?
You claim to know my religion...are you omnicent? No, you don't know what my "religion" is. You are only foolish enough to think you do.
Again, I couldn't care less what rattles in your cynical mind.
But I am starting to see the humor in your posts
You make your beliefs well known here, no need to read minds, Holly.
From a few hubs and forum posts you, Q, know all the details about me and what I believe? You must be one of those who can also read the covers of a book only and claim to know verbatim the contents! You funny person Oh - could you be a psychic?
Again, I couldn't care less about your cynical mind But your sense of humor is shining
I've only commented on the beliefs you've offered, Holly.
Then Q, you have lied or been mistaken. And now I very much doubt you are a psychic! Even your humor is dimming.
If I lied or have been mistaken, point it out. Just saying so is as irrelevant as saying a god exists.
You do not know much about me, but you keep saying you do. And you can't possibly know what I believe other than I am a Christian. You obviously are mistaken.
Of course my God exists, and He is relevant in a discussion about tithing. What I don't understand is why would you even care about tithing? Does my opinion on tithing matter to you? Not hardly, it is merely an excuse for cynicism letting and mocking. Which makes you the cynical one doean't it?
Then, we can make our assumptions on that fact.
No, that makes me the skeptical one. Again, cynicism is for the nature of men, not the nature of your gods. It is your religion that is cynical of mankind. Please pay attention.
Gosh - I am a Christian and that tells you every detail about my belief? Do you not realize there are many variations of Christian beliefs? Or have you some method of determining the specifics?
Now you decide to throw in semantics - looks very foolish on your part
Also to address the sentiment on the thread about mankind not being evil...If mankind is evil when measured against the moral standard of the Bible - then mankind is evil.
Were you paying attention?
Yes, why is that? I've asked that question before but haven't really heard anything convincing. Shouldn't you all believe in the same god with the same messages?
I think I would have a great deal to write in response to that comparison of moral standards you just made. And, I also think the ramifications and consequences of such an ideal are tremendous, far-reaching and absolutely terrifying.
In fact, I might just use it as the title of my very first hub here. Would that be okay with you, Holly?
If you are saying all Christians should believe the same thing, then by rights all Germans should believe the same things. Go for the gusto - do all men think the same? Every doctor think the same? Do you think being different is scary?
Please write a hub! That our conversation prompts you to write is fine by me. A hub on some facet of what you believe would be appreciated. It is difficult to understand your position when all I see is mocking on forum threads. Not to mention - it would be an answer to one of my prayers! :)Holly
Of course, Christians should believe the same thing, isn't that what your bible tells you to do? Blasphemer!
It wouldn't have anything to do with what I believe. I would quote YOU on the hub, exactly what you said here and then I would research your quote demonstrating how wrong it was. Again, is that okay with you?
How lame...You fear people being different!!! Ooooh, a blasphemer you say! Coming from you - it means absolutely nothing.
You won't write a hub on your beliefs, but you will research AND write a hub just to discredit what I believe? HA! I don't think you have the gumption to write a hub on anything! Ankle biting and yapping is your limit I think.
On these forums I have seen how "tolerant" those like you are... There is name calling, it is ok to call people insane, there are bullies and lynch mobs. One hubber even suggested christians should commit suicide the other day. And now you threaten to make me a target in a hub?
Again, you bore me. I think you are afraid to make hubs or commit to putting your view out on a stand alone hub.
Clearly, if you don't believe in the same things that your bible tells you to believe, you're a hypocrite. The fact that means nothing to you is part and parcel to being that hypocrite.
You made that claim, you didn't substantiate with anything, but you still made the claim, and it's a whopper of a claim, not to be ignored.
Tolerance isn't something inherent in religion, if it was, your religion wouldn't be putting a gun to your head, or mine.
Why are lying about those things?
Then, why do you keep responding to my posts if I bore you? Seems you contradict yourself.
humans are evil they are the only thing on this earth that can be evil
Or, it is the religions they follow that indoctrinate them to be evil.
no its the fact that they are self aware and can choose to be evil religion has nothing to do with it
Religion has everything to do with it. Without it, we have no reason to be evil.
religion has nothing to do with why someone is evil religion can give examples of what is considered evil but will not be the cause of evil thats a humans choice
It stems from a lack of knowledge and understanding of their own life and religion doesn't help.
Religion claims ALL people are sinners(evil) and on that basis alone, allows people to act evil.
people allow themselves to act evil this will get you nowhere
They do so, because of a lack of knowledge and understanding of life. But, thanks for your input.
your idea is an interesting one but what knowledge was this guy lacking theodore kaczynski you may know him better as the unabomber so would you kindly explain
He has no understanding of what morals truly are for? That is a lack of knowledge of life.
he disregarded morals for a life of evil thanks for your input
Apparently you are not understanding it. He didn't disregard morals....he never knew what they were. Got it?
I hope so. That is a lack of knowledge.
he may not have had any but that is not the same as not knowing what they are you cannot prove his lack of knowledge but the sheer fact that he was an intellectual genius proves that he knew what morals were and disregarded them now keep posting things you cant prove and i will come back later and correct you ciao
I find your comment a little on the ignorant side, because those who claim to have morals, don't even understand them. Even yourself is proof.
Intelligence or intellect has absolutely nothing to do with knowing what morals are? Morals are passed on from family member to family member, and if the people who taught him morals, apparently didn't understand them themselves.
So, please, those who choose to disregard moral values, don't understand them. It's the only cause for people to do immoral acts.
Thank you. Have a great day!
That would be like admitting no one has ever done anything in the name of their god. Great evils most certainly have been committed in the name of gods for centuries, my friend. Sure, there have been other reasons as well, but since the religious mindset has reigned over mankind's history, we can lay blame where blame is due at the root cause.
You're right! Right at the feet of those who condemn religion.
Well, at least you're one person I don't have to ask how you came to that conclusion based on what I said.
Unfortunately there are dishonest people everywhere, there are some motivated by greed and power that they would twist religion to serve their own purpose.
Is that a fact? Upon what do you base such a comment Q?
By the way, I have a Dr appointment and won't be on until later today. Didn't want you to think I would run away. Maybe by then you can be a bit more laughable?
Seriously, givings the key, not the way you give. Some give their time, some their talent, some their prayers, some compassion, others money. Give as you devine to do so in your heart. You can't go wrong.
all you stated should be the once,but i wonder if our pastors of today do give it to them
Measured against the bible's morals, even Hitler looks like a light weight bad guy! What parts of the bible do you read? The bible is full of murder, rape, slavery, torture, hate, fear and more all carried out by or sanctioned by the crazed murderer you worship.
Needing to be worshipped. Strong sign of insanity!
Q - you are hardly a Bible expert nor are you knowledgable as to how I live, what I believe. If you are happy to think of me as a hypocrite or a blaspemer - go for it. What you think does not have a bearing on who I am. A cynical person behind a computer could not define who I am.
Apparently you think I need to provide proof that God is real to back my belief? We disagree. I think your whopper of a claim is your choice, and I don't need proof. I am fine that you make your choice based on whatever. You want to make a hub about that?
My religion puts a gun to my head? Really? Oh how little you know. Have you ever had a giun to your head? I have. When I was 18 I worked in a gas station, and I was robbed. The robber went in my purse, took out my drivers liscense and informed me he now knew where I lived all while he had a gun to my head. It took three months for him to be caught. I know how a gun to the head feels.Do you?
Tantrum altered my name to make a joke I did not find funny. There are many bullies on here - too many to list. Earnest made the suicide statement. ( I have no beef with Tantrum anymore - we dealt with it it is done - but you wanted proof I am not lying so I stated a fact) What lies?
You bore me that you are so narrow minded and are stuck in a rut with your style of posting snippy comments. But I do find it funny. Holly
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