Are UFO's time machines or interdemensional?

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   grneisposted 14 years ago

   The sudden appearance and dissapearance of UFO's and USO's make me wonder if they are from the future, past, or another dimension.  I think sometimes they are from the future. I don't believe that time travel is impossible and it will be shown to be so in the future. What is interesting is the stories of how Atomic installations are seemingly under observation at times, and how warheads have been difused. Any ideas?

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      (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Time travel is indeed possible, but not in the way science fiction writers have used it, although I think the original 'Planet of the Apes' movie utilized this theory.
      
      When we accelerate to near light speeds, time slows down on the clocks you observe outside your ship when compared to your own clocks. So, if you accelerate away from earth at near light speeds for say a year, stop, turn and accelerate back to earth, you'll find that the time on your clock would say you've been gone for about 2 years, but earth and everything on it have aged many more years. In essence, you have traveled into the future.
      
      Unfortunately, it's a one way trip.

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      grneisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I think my original question was misintrepreted. To be more succinct, If we take for granted/accept that "they are here", the question is: Where did "they" come from?

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      Ghost32posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Could be interdimensional time machines?

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      cabcasterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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   goldenpathposted 14 years ago

   The subject has always interested me.  I assuredly believe in live elsewhere.  I do believe the propulsion is possible to visit planets orbiting distant stars. 
   
   In my opinion time travel does not and cannot exist as we view it in our primitive finite minds.  I do believe that it may be possible but that knowledge and discipline must be reserved to be revealed to a civilization at a point of proper readiness for such information and ability.  We are not ready and will not be for at least a millenia.

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      (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Propulsion is only a small problem within the far greater complex problems of space travel in general.
      
      Our bodies were never meant to be in space where high frequency electromagnetic radiation can easily kill us. The ship we use to travel must protect us from these rays, one of the most difficult problems facing scientists.
      
      Then there is the problem of weightlessness and artificial gravity, another huge problem to overcome not just in logistics but also once again the long term effects on the human body.
      
      Then, there is the time factor issue. Since we can't propel a ship to light speed or beyond, we are left facing having to spend years just to travel to these distant stars and their planets, and years returning home.
      
      These are just a few of the massive problems scientists understand they have to deal with. It's not just a matter of technologies, but a matter of huge logistics to overcome that technology cannot offer.

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         goldenpathposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         True.  That is why I worded my prior comment in such manner.  I believe the propulsion is possible even beyond light speed.  I mentioned it because UFOs here are often discounted due to the extreme distance to other systems and stars.  I believe the propulsion and speed factor is unlimited but is hundreds of years beyond our vision or current capability. 
         
         I also agree that there are many plaguing dangers upon the body for existing in space travel.  I also view this as being no less dangerous than the many that occur here on Earth.  It is, as you mentioned in the other thread you and I are on, a matter of adaptation.  I believe that part of our expansion includes and necessitates the use of outer space.  It's all possible - we are just in our infancy of understanding though.

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            (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            The problem is that particles of mass cannot be accelerated beyond the speed of light, let along even attain the speed of light. This really has nothing to do with the particles themselves and everything to do with the permeability and permittivity of space itself.
            
            Hence, it isn't a matter of technology.
            
            
            
            An alien species will have the same physical problems to deal with as us and no amount of technological advancements can overcome the limit space has placed on what speeds particles can travel through it. 
            
            
            
            Wishful thinking and a positive outlook are wonderful things, but do little in solving the real problems of space travel, which far outweigh the ease of our existence here.

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               goldenpathposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I have heard that about mass and speed - that it is finite and cannot go beyond light speed.  Although I have nothing to support my feelings on it I do not agree with this thought of science.  I must leave myself open to new discoveries and possibilities.  Our technology and discoveries are still in their infancy in regards to mass, space, propulsion etc.  I believe the time will yet come when some means of hyper transportation will be possible.
               
               Great conversation though!

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                  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  That's nice. But, it takes quite a bit more than just feelings to understand the concepts your quickly willing to dismiss out of hand.
                  
                   
                  
                  No doubt we'll continue to make progress with space exploration, but it's not likely we'll overcome certain barriers like the speed of light.

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   ralwusposted 14 years ago

   They are gov't holograms

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      goldenpathposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      As I read that my first thought was of that scene in "Back to the Future" where that hologram shark "Jaws" was heading for Marty.  Can't get enough!

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      cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      isn't interstellar travel possible through wormholes? even so, i don't think aliens visit earth. if they did, it seems to me they would go to the nearest news organization and announce their arrival, not sneak out in the middle of the night collecting humans and sticking things in various orifices.

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I have wondered about those who's orifices were stuck.
         The ones I have seen interviewed would not know if they had a camel stuck up their orifice!

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   ralwusposted 14 years ago

   Well I think it is true, how else to explain it? Plus they will use it for trickery on us all. They might change it to something else that is extremely frightening. Like the return of the messiah.

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      goldenpathposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Although, as you know, I support the return of the Messiah (Second Coming), but yet I wouldn't put any hanus tactic past our government to try and conjure the appearance of such an event in order to further their agenda.  Case in point - the Election.

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   cheaptrickposted 14 years ago

   Time travel is possible but only to the point that the time machine was built.The most recent theory involves the manipulation of light.

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      lxxyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Some-what true; when you are time traveling you are not just traversing a time line but complete and separate new dimensions. They may appear to be your world as it was or will be, but it is now a new world line.
      
      In effect, by time traveling it would be hard to get back to your "exact" present time. But the paradox that you have created by doing this ensures that there's now an infinite number of new dimensions that you may return to that have only a slight, if even perceptually identifiable difference.
      
      Think "Sliders" but without all the weirdness.
      
      You cannot truly traverse space-time within the same world line by mechanical or technological means.

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   logic,commonsenseposted 14 years ago

   I travel in time all the time!  From today to tomorrow!

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      quicksandposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Me too!

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   U.F.O says it all!

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   Mitch Rappposted 14 years ago

   Both!

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   Milla Mahnoposted 14 years ago

   From smbd's ass?

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      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I think they are interdementianal !

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Did everyone miss the joke? Or is it being ignored cos it's not funny?

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            mythbusterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I noticed the joke... left me speechless tho' - more a "wit" than "joke."
            
            Harhar good one?

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    Will Bensonposted 14 years ago

    Since we have no devices or items from any UFO on display anywhere, it seems to me that the phenomena must be non physical. Who knows what that implies.
    
    On millions or billions of other planets there may exist life that started a million years ahead of earth. Who knows what their physics and technology might be capable of? Remember also that flying faster than sound was considered impossible until somebody did it.
    
    The best way to find out is to go to some isolated spot and wait for a UFO abduction. I'd do it myself but I'm kinda freaked out by the whole orifice probing thing.

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       (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It implies we aren't being visited by aliens. Simple really.
       
       
       
       Their physics are the same as ours.
       
       
       
       Considering there are tens of thousands of amateur astronomers watching the night sky in isolated spots every night, they have never reported such sightings as UFO mystery mongers have.

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          grneisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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             grneisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Astroners and meteroligists among others professional and amature HAVE observed the UFO anomonally but usually do not report them publicly because of fear of ridicule and so on.
             
                  http://www.ufologie.net/books/mcdonaldh … nomers.htm

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                (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Poppycock. You just made that up.

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    mintinfoposted 14 years ago

    To time travel one needs to accelerate beyond the speed of light. The light that we observe from many of the stars that we observe in the night sky has left that star millions of years ago. So we are only seeing something that happened in the past. Even worse some of those stare have gone dead already.
    
    If we wanted to see the light from the Hiroshima explosion we would need to catch up to the light that left the point of that explosion almost 60yrs ago. It's probably reached the edge of our galaxy by now. Problem, you would need to catch up to and pass it then look back and observe it as it enters your eyes.
    
    In order to return to that time on earth you would also need to bounce off a mirror in deep space as you travel faster than light speed. Heat bends light so it maybe possible to return that way also.

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    scamcorderposted 14 years ago

    It wasn't that long ago man found out how to travel in three dimensions by building aircraft which was once thought to be a some kind of fantastical idea. Next up has to be the fourth dimension of time for travelling. H.G. Wells said something to that degree and although he wasn't always spot on with his prophetic insight, he's been pretty damn close on many an occasion.
    
    "It's the way of the future, the way of the future, the way of the future, the way of the future..."(Howard Hughes)

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       (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It may have been a fantastical idea but it did not violate any physical laws.
       
       
       
       Unfortunately, that DOES violate physical laws. Big difference.
       
       
       
       H.G. Wells was not a physicist.

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          scamcorderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Isn't Gravity a physical law?
          
          
          
          
          
          
          
          
          
          He certainly wasn't by trade, but he followed the laws of physics. You don't need a college degree just to advertise you know something about a certain topic. He was a dreamer, and without dreams you lack inspiration. Don't let gravity hold you down. Anything is possible given time and understanding.

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             (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             No, he didn't.
             
             
             
             No, it isn't. One cannot violate physical laws, not matter how much you dream about it.

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             (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Is it something you understand? Do you know how gravity works? Do you understand why planes can fly in a gravitational field with an atmosphere?

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                scamcorderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Obviously not judging by your reception. It's all just tomfoolery to me. I don't know whether I'm going hither or thither. I do know this though. Gravity is a law, and it is taught in physics, ergo Law of Physics. I know planes are always falling being pulled by the attraction of gravity hence they must constantly propel themselves to act against. But there was a time man dreamt of flight, and funnily enough he found a way around the physical law of gravity without actually breaking it. There's always a loophole if you think outside the box.

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                   (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Then, perhaps a smidgen of education on your part is in order.
                   
                   
                   
                   No, it has nothing to do with finding a way around a physical law.
                   
                   
                   
                   No loopholes were required for flight in an atmosphere.
                   
                   Again, just a smidgen...

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                      scamcorderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Oh, you're no fun anymore. )

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                         (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Yes, I did observe how people immediately run away when they're on the verge of learning something new.
                         
                         Oh well.

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                            scamcorderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            Game on! I ain't running, just to darn busy. And just to prove time travel is possible, you'll be hearing from me and my lawyers 3 weeks ago.

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                      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Hi Q:
                      All you say is for certain.
                      if man were ever to leave this planet in search of other life or other habitable places in space, distances are so great and so much time needed, even if we could attain the speed of light, that many, many generations of human life would have to live and be nurtured in space vehicles.
                      If contemprary man can somehow, miraculously overcome the myriad deadly obstacles that place his survival in jeopardy, he may, thru the programming of human genetics, create a way to "morph" man as he exists, into a form of human life that can withstand the rigors of prolonged space travel.
                      The more likely scenario is that the laws of physics may make the bending time and space a reality which will produce for us the "wormholes" that will allow us to travel massive distances in very short periods of time.
                      We are only at the first rung of "UNDERSTANDING."

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                         (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Nope, not likely at all. "Wormholes" are pop sci-fi.

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    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    If UFO are moving in the speed of light then it is taking over time to some extent, most likely they might go in future but not past.

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    manlypoetrymanposted 14 years ago

    Check out the Philadelphia Experiment of the USS Eldridge based on some of Eintein's theories...sometime...if you want to know if such a thing was possible...I'm not sure if this was an actual event or not...but it does begin to show that perphaps "Man" is not just talking about such things...they are also attempting them?
    
    I suppose...Anything is possible...We have knowledge of anti-gravity propulsion...which when explained...doesn't seem too hard to achieve. And I am sure it has been attempted several hundred times.

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       (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No, we don't. It is crackpottery.

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    scamcorderposted 14 years ago

    Poppycock and crackpottery. Love it. So Victorian

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    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    Some stuff in science fiction is possible to some extent but not all.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    The flat universe, (as opposed to the flat earth) theory currently held would allow for a model of bending time.As you said... early days.

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    goldenpathposted 14 years ago

    UFOs and other spacecraft not of Earth origin are the essential genius of compassionate alien beings.  These great structures are none other than complementary interstellar and/or interdimensional lavish restrooms.  Imagine it.  A hundred billion miles and your restroom breaks down right at fifty billion.  Who you gonna call!  Not Roto Rooter, but rather the Wormhole Relief Threshold of Milky Way Systems.  What better way to foster interstellar cooperation than to ensure all participating citizens have clean pipes.  They show up here, on Earth, as a gimmick or advertisement to use their custom systems for clear and immediate relief.  A man enjoys his time upon the golden porcelain throne.  Why not do it in style!

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       mythbusterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Fantastic Marketing Tactics, then?
       
       This is a truly creative answer. Much appreciated. I started chuckling a little over this. Thx!

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