Why Are Christians Afraid To Follow Jesus?

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  1. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
    wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years ago

    Why Are Christians Afraid To Follow Jesus?

    Once again, the Christian mainstream has turned it's back on the image of God. "...Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me ..." .A brief history:

    • 1830: mainstream Christians do nothing to stop the removal of the Five Civilized Tribes from 20 million acres of ancestral homelands.

    •1939: The St Louis carrying 937 Jewish refugees is denied entry into the United States and forced to return to Europe. 254 of the passengers die in the Holocaust as a result.

    • 2015:Christians turn their backs on thousands of Syrian refugees.


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  2. Ericdierker profile image42
    Ericdierkerposted 2 years ago

    This question assumes a fundamentally wrong premise. That one person, you, decides how another person, all others, should follow Jesus. Jesus is redeemer and savior for all. But it is a highly personal relationship that a Christian must follow. For one to say "this is not following Jesus" for another is not blasphemy but it is akin to it. For Ronnie to say that Eric must follow Jesus this way and not his way is tantamount to telling me what I must believe in order to be a Christian -- it just does not work that way.
    America is a Christian nation by populace makeup. It is not a Christian nation by fiat or policy. All of the above mentioned tragedies were carried out by a government that Jews and Muslims and Buddhists and Native Americans and Hispanics elect. We most assuredly do not have a Christian Government -- 100% not. Thank God. What is this "image of God" that you have for me. Is He in a white robe with long whiskers or is He an orb? How could you possibly know what my image of God is? There is no innate or Gospel "image of God".
    So we Christians are not afraid to follow our God but I would be fearful of following yours.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric:The "Image of God" is in Scripture-It is Written! Urs should be the same as mine, if Christ dwells in U!  Ronnie is RIGHT!  If "personal," why should we be "ON ONE ACCORD?"  If U don't follow Jesus' WORD, who do U serve? Why UR Jesus v Mine?

    2. krillco profile image94
      krillcoposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine: 'Urs should be the same as mine, if Christ dwells in U!" It's arrogant, self-righteous fundies like you that give Christianity a bad name and push people away from Christ rather than bring them into the fold. Just. Shut. Up.

    3. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No killco, U should follow your own advice, and read more. The Law of Gravity will not spare U when you fall from the window. No matter what U want to believe. Unlike my subordinates, I will leave your evil comment for the world to see.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Bill: They told Jesus to "shut up" & killed Him for not doing so! So who am I?  TRUTH hurts (Heb 4:12)! Did I not give WORD (Rm 8:10-25)? Did I speak or Jesus?

      With statement like that, we KNOW who U serve (Jn 8:44)!

    5. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you are so busy talking , and trying look right , you just supported a bad comment and threat,
      To tell some one to fall from a window without gravity is not christian , but you are so busy feeding your ego of praise you let that slide by.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Sounds like U'r talking about urself!  Did I not give WORD?  U continue to LIE on JESUS=blasphemy=and continue to call His Word A LIE (Mk 3:28-30)!  Now who looks "ignorant" (I Cor 12:1-31)?

    7. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KT, U R having trouble with the English language. Jesus is likened to the Law of Gravity in my comment. No compromise. No threat. Just a fact.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie: She has a "personal vendetta" against me for I give WORD which is against her (JW) belief! She did not "WAIT" but was taught! Nothing against U I'm sure!  If she would READ I Cor 12:1-31 she would see 1 Spirit as says Eph 4:4-6! Pray!

    9. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, evil can be very cunning in it's presentation, but you will notice that the naysayers have not spoken of the indifference to my people, the Jews, or now the Syrians. What they say, and don't say betrays their true heart.

    10. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you are no vendetta of mine, just because I disagree with your teachings is not personal.  But you think you are that important that I have to worry about you, No
      The only worry I have is between me and God. And only he knows the heart.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: He DOES "know the heart" & it has been "hardened" against TRUTH (WORD)!   
      As Ronnie said "What they say, and don't say betrays their true heart." is TRUE! 
      Be careful r the world will "see" the "TRUE U!"

    12. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KT, Apparently U do have a vendetta. This thread has been going for 9 days. Yet, U only become hostile when Norine  comes on board. It is quite obvious. Would U like to discuss it ? Or would U prefer beating a dead horse? Your call.

    13. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine my trust is in My God because humans judge and condemn hypocritical
      You are the example of this .I am happy Jesus is all the things we need to live up to.
      I do not wish to continue threads with you because you are unkind.

    14. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KT, Do U have any thoughts about the Syrian refugees, or is it all about Norine?

    15. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie have you just now notice my comments because I disagree with Norine, 
      I have been commenting way before she appeared and you as well on many topics.
      What is it that you want me to say about your question Ronnie?

    16. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's a funny question. I feel like I'm 5 years old again. I don't moderate. Say what U like, and then pick me up a box of animal crackers on your way home.

    17. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I am just replying to your question and I did post one that is still showing anyone can see it. What more can I say ,then that God hates violence,  if we are children of God we should be peaceful in every aspect of love.
      Imitators of Jesus.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie: U stated, "... in a couple of years you'll get to explain why." when responding to Eric! Has Holy Spirit spoken to U also re: "The Time is Nigh?" 
      R U "Witness?" (Deut 19:15; Matt 18:16; 2 Cor 13:1)

      We MUST tell ALL to "GET READY"(always)!

    19. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, His "personal relationship" with JC is actually a "personal definition".The word defines Jesus.The Holy Spirit even further. Even in the lower regions they will continue to commiserate, explain, and make excuses.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie: Jesus has been defined in word but they continue in their "personal opinion" of Him defying word.  Consider Galatians 1:6-9. This is the dispensation in which we now live (AFTER the Day of Pentecost) as Christ gathers "The Church!"

    21. JLauren Angel profile image72
      JLauren Angelposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric - Great points. There are human made pictures which depict what God looks like to them, but it is not everyone's image nor picture. Norine,  no one believes the same as you. How do I know you are truly with GOD and not some demonic nation?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lauren:  If I give HIS WORD, why ask "demonic?" It's up to U to do as Acts 17:11 w/guidance fm Holy Spirit if U "WAITED;" otherwise, U will continue to "interpret!"  Yes, there r others who blv as I! Try Judah's Daughter on HubPages! (Gal 1:12)

    23. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Isa 42:5 This is what the true God, Jehovah, says, The Creator of the heavens and the Grand One who stretched them out, The One who spread out the earth and its produce,The One who gives breath to the people on it And spirit to those who walk on it:

    24. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I assume, and rightfully so that God gave each man eyes to see. And that no two eyes see something exactly the same. And God gave each man a heart with which to see, and no two men feel the same. God is personal and not what you make me believe.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric:How "carnal" r U? GOD (aka Holy Spirit) would not make U "see" WORD diff from another if Christ dwells in U! That's why they were on ONE ACCORD in Acts! Holy Spirit lead w/SAME SPIRIT! If on ONE ACCORD, not "personal" but SAME SPIRIT w/1 MIND!

    26. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I am sorry but you are bonkers in such. You actually think that you know God's will for me? You know my relationship with God? You must be a prophet.

    27. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Your lack of knowledge reveals that you would do well to listen to the prophet. Why are U jealous of talented, and upright people?

    28. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Show me one. Show me one that is not critical and bombastic and making insults. Such a one that is tolerant and loving toward all and not a verbal sword carrier. And this one I shall respect.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eph 3:8-9! That SAME SPIRIT is avail to ALL who BELIEVE & don't "Lean to their OWN understanding" (Prov 3:5)!
      Do U "see" how Holy Spirit sent witness (Ronnie) to defend His Word?  If not, "look" but only IN THE SPIRIT!

    30. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie  there is no such thing , humble means to listen , to allow yourself to be humble under the Sovereign Father , the couple you mention stop listening when the heart skemmed. You seem to only speak negative comments. I will not waste time.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: "Humble yourself means to listen" yet U cont? Did not JESUS talk thru a "jack ass" (Num 22:23-27)! Listen to msg, not msgr! 
      You r right in saying "...I will not waste my time" & please don't waste others if not willing to listen to TRU

  3. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
    wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years ago

    Your answer clearly reveals that you know very little about the gospel of Jesus. But the good news is, all you have to do is read, and pray. Love is not up for interpretation. If you cannot see the image of God, then you do not know Jesus. The image of God is strewn about the ground in Syria; little boys and little girls ;  blown apart and dismembered. That is the image of God. The image of God has also recently been defiled in Nigeria,Paris, San Bernardino, and in other parts of the world.

    The Christian is not better than Jesus. I am not better than Jesus. Jesus suffered a terrible torment, and was then crucified that I might live. That is the standard set by Jesus for the Christian to follow. Our personal happiness, wealth, and safety are not the most important things. It is only our love for one another. It is only love, not the human intellect,  that can elevate us above the world, and allow us to clearly see.

    Your words betray a confusion that stems from the fact that you falsely believe Jesus lives only in a Book, and can be freely defined to suit your own personal need or convenience. But Jesus is right here beside me. This is the living Gospel of Jesus. Jesus demands that we help these Syrian children. If we do not, then the Christian Mainstream can only be seen for what it truly is: a fashionable club for capitalist consumers; a nest of hypocrites and vipers, counting their money while pretending Jesus.

    It does not matter whether or not we go to church on Sunday. It doesn't matter if we call the name of Jesus, Bob, Carol, or Francine. A name is only a fictional placeholder for what is real.  Love is real Eric. Love doesn't care about a terrorist, over the safety and well being of a child. Love will even sacrifice it's own child to save the life of another. Love reciprocates and love replenishes. Follow the world, follow America if you must. But  I am following Jesus.

    1. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think that that is wonderful Ronnie. Perhaps just by chance you and I share the image of God as pure love. I wish more Christians had that view also. Other than the Vatican "Holy See" is their a nation of Christianity? I might move there.

    2. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You  interpret the world  through 5 senses. That would explain why you cannot see the "nation" you speak of. In order to do this, a man must first qualify. When that which stands above you commands;  you either respond, or U are trampled under foot.

    3. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      How do you know I am not blind or deaf or both? You sure make a lot of assumptions about people.

    4. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You have admitted through your commentary that you are both. That question has already been answered.

  4. dashingscorpio profile image87
    dashingscorpioposted 2 years ago

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    The U.S. has separation of church and state!
    The U.S. is also a country that consists of many diverse religions as well as having citizens who are atheist.
    Therefore government decisions by elected officials are not bind by any one religion. Our constitution trumps the bible or any other religious document when it comes to governing our nation.
    According to World Christian Encyclopedia there are 33,000+ total "Christian" denominations!
    Jesus said to "Turn the other cheek".
    Obviously if the U.S. followed that creed it would not be a super power.
    Odds are the U.S. will be spilling American blood in order to allow Syrian refugees to return to their homeland.
    Having said that the U.S. annually provides more foreign aid than any other nation on earth! And yet it is not "perfect"!
    We understand for example that Islam is not about cutting off people's heads and blowing up people to pieces. However those who make these attacks claim to be followers of Islam working on behalf of Allah!
    My point is within every large religious base are various sects and groups who disagree among themselves.
    Just as some people are wrong to paint a wide brush on Muslims there are those who choose to paint a wide brush on Christians.
    Ultimately no individual is perfect and therefore no group is perfect.
    Ecclesiastes 7:20
    "For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not"

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There is truth in your words,  but much of what you have said does not apply. This is not directed toward the government, or toward the secular community, or the atheists, or any other religion. Only those pretending Jesus.

    2. dashingscorpio profile image87
      dashingscorpioposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Actually it is our government or elected officials that make policy for the country. Odds are half of the people are in favor of something and the other half is against it!
      The political party in power makes the call not the Christians.

    3. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's beside the point. Jesus didn't follow government. Ever heard of the Montgomery Bus Boycott ? Somebody had to set that in motion. It wasn't the government. The people make the call if the people want to. At least they can try. See many trying?

    4. dashingscorpio profile image87
      dashingscorpioposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      We know what happened to Jesus! Do you know how many people died during the Civil War? Civil Rights battles of the 60s? And these were people who already lived here!
      It's unrealistic to expect that same type of sacrifice for non citizens.

    5. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A good point, and it clarifies my position. If you stand with Jesus, you do not hesitate to make the sacrifice when children are being murdered. That is why I stated earlier that this is not about the secular community, but those who claim Jesus.

    6. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Do you make the stand that you stand against those who kill children?

    7. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Of course Eric. Now present the question you really want to ask.

    8. JLauren Angel profile image72
      JLauren Angelposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So you stole an image from the internet, and did not cite a source. Do you know what the fine is for plagiarizing in today's day an age is? IF not you better check, yes they track where the images go and yes you can be sued or jailed for stealing.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lauren: Who r U addressing?
      Why did you "hide" under another's comments?
      Something's amiss!

    10. JLauren Angel profile image72
      JLauren Angelposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norrine - you hide yourself without an image. I am not afraid of you. The bible does not say embrace the people of Syria, its say to trust the Israelites. God's Chosen people have a wall around their city. There is no image of God.

    11. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      JLS,Matt. 25:45 "He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'  That applies to the whole world.Even North Korea

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lauren: U really don't know His Word! I'm sorry!
      Galatians 3:28 says "There is neither Jew nor Greek..." (or any other race/nationality/color) "... for ye are all "ONE" IN CHRIST JESUS." Haven't read yet  "Christian?"
      U portray no image of God!

    13. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you are not proving your self a Christian bullying people, Jesus did not teach u kindness as you constantly badger people trying to appear righteous, she has the right to her oppion.as you , your conduct is from another spirit not Jesus.

    14. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KT, U have been sorely deceived by mainstream B.S. The followers of Jesus R warriors. Not geeks sitting around waiting on the shuttle bus to Heaven.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Isaiah prophesied that the world would come to this "No judgment in their ways"(Isa 59:1-15)!
      RELIGION KILLS!
      How can 1 know wrong IF no 1 tells them! GOD hates when we don't judge!
      "Judge RIGHTEOUS judgment" w/WORD not one's "opinion!"

    16. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." If we do not fight with Jesus then we R against him
      .

    17. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It is a deception of man and a distortion of God to see battles.

    18. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie the scripture is true but understood out of context, first you said it , not against flesh and blood is us , we are flesh and blood, Jesus is a spirit now and so is the demons , the war originates with them, we can not battle unseen demons,

    19. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes Eric, a blind man cannot see. If Malcolm and Martin hadn't "seen a battle" a lot of black people would still be sitting in the back of the bus. Jesus said: Get thee behind me Satan.

    20. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie that is why Jesus made this request for us.
      Joh 17:15“ I do not request that you take them out of the world, but that you watch over them because of the wicked one.
      You see Jesus knew we can not fight what we can not see.
      If so why ask him.

    21. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      We are deceived by the plight of man. It is nearly irrelevant for all men in Christ are save. Battles are for those who live in the skin and not for those who live in the spirit. Good for your heroes, they "saved" not one soul. They changed events.

    22. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine there is no mission to prove people wrong, that is not issue , and having knowledge will not be enough, it is accurate knowledge that will save people.
      Judas had all the accurate knowledge but
      His actions ended his life forever.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Honestly? Do U know so LITTLE?  Eph 6:12 "We wrestle not against flesh & blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Come on "Christians!"

    24. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine I do not doubt you have some knowledge,  like a doctor who may know the human body , does not mean he is skilled to do surgery because he has mastered one book and got his degree. There is a difference in what you do here.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: What U fail to realize is the HOLY SPIRIT "leads & guides me into ALL truth" (surgery too, if necessary)!  I BELIEVE whereas U don't!
      U continue to show how "carnal" v Spiritual U are (Rm 8:8) & U don't please GOD!

    26. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, It is clear from your commentary that U will "not save one soul" nor "change one event". ML King was a prophet of God who followed Jesus. I have known many "nobody's", and they made themselves that way. And so I meet another.

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    LoliHeyposted 2 years ago

    Some Christians are turning their backs because they are afraid and don't trust the refugees.  In the case of the Jewish refugees, that was wrong, because Jewish people don't want to kill Gentiles.  However, among the refugees there could be ISIS people, or potential ISIS people, and I think that is what everyone is worried about.  True, you should help the needy, but I don't know that the bible verse in reference to that is relevant in this case.

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      From the perspective of a Christian, fear is no excuse. This is why they are held to a higher standard. If you believe in eternal life, and the promise of salvation, you do not allow the fear of death to shape your destiny.

    2. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lolita, I hit the wrong button and accidentally deleted your comment. Sorry!  Hubpages gives no way to undo. If you don't mind, please resubmit.

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      LoliHeyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Just because we can look forward to eternal life does not mean we should let our enemies kill us!

    4. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That appears to be reasonable, but by focusing on self-preservation in the "now",  we only help to perpetuate future misery by allowing fear to insulate the root of evil.  Matt. 16:25, "For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it"

    5. W. Joe B. profile image72
      W. Joe B.posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Is your only use for this forum to revile others? If so, you're doing a great job, as that is all you have done.  There have been several, no many, well-written conversation starters, yet your only response is to place yourself in an exalted position

    6. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Your words have placed me above you. Syrian children have suffered since 2011. Now they suffer even more. But  your words are spent questioning my character and authority. I do not know the name of your master, but It is not Jesus you represent.

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      LoliHeyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie, who are you to judge others and tell them what their relationship with God is?

    8. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "God" is not a club we choose whether or not to join. If you kill a man, even a fool has the authority to say you are a killer. If U stand with Jesus U stand above all. Do U have no faith in yourself? I did not seek my authority, as it was granted.

    9. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, that is deep!

    10. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, Just like the entity from the "killing state" of Texas, it appears that U R more concerned with vilifying the messenger than addressing the issue. But all is well, in a couple of years you'll get to explain why.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie" U r RIGHT! They "hate" JESUS but pretend He's their "personal Savior!"  If they loved Him, they would do as He's stated in HIS WORD "Love thy neighbor as thyself!"

      Hypocrites!

    12. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dear Norine you must know by now nothing you say can disturb me , nor change the truth, if you find it right to say the things you say may Jehovah and Jesus be the Judge
      For they really are .that is why we are in the flesh on earth not in heaven.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: I will stand before "the judgment seat of Christ" & say the same for IT IS WRITTEN & I will not be wrong for I only "repeat" His Word!  Can U say the same?  If so, U know I Cor 12 says ONE SPIRIT not 2 or 3 & Phil 2:9-11 didn't L

    14. gmwilliams profile image82
      gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      THIS IS THE BEST ANSWER, SUCCINCT AND INTELLIGENT!

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      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "There could be ISIS people" among them...
      Since the Syrian civil war began, 320,000 people have been killed, 12,000 children. 1.5 million people have been wounded or permanently disabled, - 1 in a 1.5 million - what are the odds!!!!

    16. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      peter,You are expressing a secular fear. For a true Christian the priority is helping those in need. Fear cannot supercede faith in Jesus. Otherwise, we are talking hypocrisy.

    17. JLauren Angel profile image72
      JLauren Angelposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      God gave us a brain too, to not go blindly into the future, to think for ourselves and to do what we should in his name. Not trusting the refugees is the WHOLE DEAL. I will not open my house to murders, according to God I have this right.

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      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie I was quoting Lolita.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lauren: U continue to "look out for SELF" which is AGAINST "The image of God!"  TRUST/BELIEVE n HIS WORD r U're not "in the image of God!" I Cor 13:4-13? 
      "Brain?" (Prov 3:5;Rm 8:8;II Chron7:14)!

    20. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If man did not sin then he would need not Christ. Following Christ requires us to be human. Humans have faults. This does not mean they are afraid and are not Christians. Quite the opposite is true. Ronnie is perfect he need not Christ.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric: Just the opposite (Rm 8:8)!  Following Christ requires us to “Walk in the Spirit” (Gal 5:16-17; 6) or not “Christian!”
      Ronnie & I are saying: “A LIFE W/O COURAGE OR CONVICTION, IS A LIFE W/O “NOTHING!” 
      It's time for ALL to re-think belie

    22. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine
      So, were the Apostles 'walking in the Spirit' when they blew it? Or were they being human?
      As for Lauren's comment Jesus did give us a brain, he also told us when we turn them away we're turning him away! Do you really want to do that?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Law: Jesus Followers were not apostles until AFTER Holy Spirit came then where's mistake? U LIE on HS!
      How can U agree w/Lauren who's against WORD? "Brain, not go blindly, not trusting, I will not..", etc.
      Did U "WAIT?"
      ALL cont to "reveal" self

    24. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie as written. 1Sa 15:23 for rebelliousness is the same as the sin of divination, and pushing ahead presumptuously the same as using magical power and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of Jehovah, he has rejected you from being king

    25. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KT, I'll be sure and post a notice for all Firefighters,Doctors,Nurses, and Social Workers that they need to chill out and let Jesus put out the fires; just do nothing and wait 4 that shuttle bus to Heaven!

    26. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie your comment is presumptuous,  I do not believe in a shuttle bus to heaven.
      You certainly have no trust in God from your comments.  Everybody is not going to heaven as written so your comment to me is invalid.

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      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The discussion is completely surreal. I'm flabbergasted at times.

    28. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      peter, Yes I also find it fascinating. It is similar to the story, "The Emperors New Clothes". They pretend to see Jesus but are only looking at their own reflection. But when Jesus comes knocking, they call him a vagrant and send him away.

    29. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine
      I said it right. The Apostles! If they got Jesus right why did the HS have to intervene and show Peter (and the others) that Gentiles could come to faith? (Acts 10 and Acts 15)

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L: U cont to "look at the letter!"  PAUL ONLY ONE FULLY ANOINTED!  He cont "fulfilling law" in Jesus' stead!  Now IMMEDIATE ANOINTING (depending on 1's "LEVEL OF FAITH") avail to ALL! Paul didn't walk earth w/Jesus under "law" as others! Gal 1:12

    31. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, you say U love peter, and so I must ask: Would you send him money if he needed it? Would U let him sleep at your house if he were homeless? If he were sick and dying, would you travel 100 miles to sit beside him?

    32. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That is a great question that goes to the heart of it Ronnie. Would you judge me based on the answer I give? Would you throw stones because you are without sin? I just might do that for Peter.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, Matt 5:37 "Let your conversation be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay; for whatever is MORE THAN THESE cometh of EVIL!"

    34. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, U have mocked the prophet and she has confounded U. Even John was not perfection, though he stood above us all. Sin has not blinded me, nor made me a liar before man. U have judged yourself. As it is written upon U, as it is manifested here.

    35. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Gibberish.

    36. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      So, to those preaching "hellfire and damnation" to those not 'running to the breach' when's your ticket booked for? PUT YOUR BODY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!!
      To those still struggling with being Human, God is patient and kind, he loves you.

    37. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L, Jesus did not run from evil.  Many B4  have warned of where U are going. The choice is clear: Go with America, or go with Jesus. That is not a fence that many of U sit on. It is the bodies of dead children stacked in winding rows.

    38. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L: Why do U not BELIEVE? Did Jesus not say "HE" (Holy Spirit; Jn 14:26 "IN MY NAME") would "lead & guide us?" If FAITH exists, no "hell & damnation" but PROB:W/O "FAITH" ="Struggle!" We don't have to do anything-HE ALREADY HAS!
      Gal 3:22-25!

    39. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, They speak the words of demons and fools. What is a follower but one who emulates the one he follows? They say they follow Jesus. But a man cannot follow when he is still sitting down. They defy the Law of Gravity, and so they will perish.

    40. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie: "But a man cannot follow when he is still sitting down."
      GOD IS TIRED!
      Tired of ALL "Using His Name in Vain!"

    41. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine
      I do believe! but I also want to give a 'little slack' for the guy struggling to follow thru, is that wrong? I've 'been there' and followed through, read some of my hubs and see for yourself!

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L: Does Jesus "give slack" (Is 55:11)? Too much "slack" is why this Q is posed!
      ALL should've "WAITED" for HELP (HS)=no "struggle!" Why give "slack" to disobedient?
      If your HUBS r an indication of your commentaries, "No thanks!"
      U did NOT "WAIT!"

    43. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L, A little slack for the guy hanging at the beach or the shopping mall? Have U ever been in a refugee camp. Ever seen your family disintegrate in front of your eye's? Syria needs some slack since 2011. But you're worried about frail sensibilities.

  6. krillco profile image94
    krillcoposted 2 years ago

    How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The fact that you see no practical value  in my question is to your own detriment. But I do have the answer to your rhetorical question. I am perhaps the first in over a thousand years  to answer correctly: More than you could count in a lifetime.

    2. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you think it is right saying it is the commonly conservative white christains , what is right about that statement , you are being racist in that statement. It is clear, there is nothing good about what you have said , not christian.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: They established RELIGION! "Race" isn't the issue here r Q wouldn't have been posed.GOD is "no respecter of person" (Rm 2:11), so who am I?   
      WRONG is WRONG!
      Why do U continue to fight Holy Spirit (TRUTH N WORD)?
      Jn 16:11.

    4. JLauren Angel profile image72
      JLauren Angelposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Depends, are you talking angels of darkness or light?

    5. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ps 24:1, 2 To Jehovah belong the earth and everything in it, The productive land and those dwelling on it.2 For he has solidly fixed it on the seas And firmly established it on the rivers.
      Ps 104:5 He has established the earth on its foundations;

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lauren: Why did U quote I Cor 13:4-13 as the image of God yet talk like this?  Something's amiss!  If one would have "WAITED" one could discern the angel of darkness fm the angel of light (unless U're speaking of one's color)?  Irrelevant to GOD!

    7. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie Mt 26:52Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword.
      Jesus did not even want Peter to use his sword in his behalf.
      So much he warned that you would die by your own.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: IF U knew WORD, the "sword" is HIS WORD under New Covenant  (Heb 4:12) which is ALL we (True Christians) r to use! As a soldier for the Lord, use, judge, correct, (II Tim 3:16) w/WORD!
      IF U KNEW WORD instead of being "taught" U would KNOW!

    9. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine your conduct speaks for itself.
      While you are stuck on yourself and stoning peoples comments, you showing a different spirit,  This is not the way or fruits of the spirit, You can't see it but others can.
      Stop bashing people to be superior.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: It's "religiously correct christians" as Urself that has this world the way it is!  No judgment-No Peace! Jesus judged & so should we if Christ dwells n U? I will judge angles (I Cor 6:3) who r u?

    11. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, KT makes many assumptions. When I speak of  warriors, she can only see the flesh. Many R afraid to speak of the spirit 4 fear of ridicule. Without the Holy Spirit the word does not unfold, and they are only reading words in a book.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie: TRUE!
      Jn 4:24 "TRUE (SPIRIT) WORSHIPERS" r who He seeks or Christ doesn't dwell in them!
      Thank GOD U KNOW this Ronnie! 
      Have a Merry Christmas!  God Bless!

    13. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I have been accused of being a prophet, now I am accused of perfection, but who has accused Syria of being delivered? Let the blasphemer continue the revelation.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie: U r a prophet for anytime U speak the WORD of GOD (in context), U r perfect!  It's not U, but JESUS (His Word)! Remember "not flesh & blood, but Spirit!"   
      Syria? They don't care!
      They cont 2 "sugar coat" but reveal themselves, as usual!

    15. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You see Norine you use the word of God to puppet your mind and heart, you are not a Christian , you want to be one. Your words speak from the heart .

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: U cont to deny the Power of the Holy Spirit by saying things i.e., "there are things not under our jurisdiction to touch or bother.." when Scripture says to "Love thy neighbor as thyself!" 
      Yes, "I speak fm my heart" (WORD)!

    17. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I just saw this/ Ronnie actually answered a rhetorical question with a straight face braggadocio answer. That is funnier then Hades.

    18. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, but what is not so funny is that U will answer to God 4 all the merriment U have had today, at the expense of Syria and her children. God will not be mocked.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric: "Boasting" is allowed IF w/Jesus' Word (Gal 6:14). Read II Cor 11! (v 10)"...no man shall stop me of this boasting..."
      Also, consider vs 13-15 & II Cor 12:7-9! "His Grace is sufficient" for those upholding HIS WORD! 
      If U only KNEW WORD!

  7. W. Joe B. profile image72
    W. Joe B.posted 2 years ago

    Your question is, at the very best, rhetorical, and at the very worst, ignorant. Your hypothesis that these incidents are a purely Christian responsibility shows a prominant disregard of simple civics. You appear from your use of the language to have some degree of intelligence, yet your question denies it.
    Government policy is not dictated by any one faith, so the placement of blame you so glibly throw around is as absurd as your supposition that you have the right to determine anybody's relationship with God other thsn your own. You know absolutely nothing about any of us, yet you confer on yourself tbe right to be both judgemental and rude in answering people. who have politely attempted to answer the question in a manner that implies a conversation, something you are obviously incapable of having.
    Don't place your idea of perfection on other people. It will turn around and bite you when you least expect it. "Judge not lest you be judged by the same measure..." Are you, by chance, familiar with that ine?

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You have displayed a lack of reading comprehension. The question has nothing to do with "sole" responsibility, but Christian hypocrisy over the last 200 years. Jesus has determined the relationship. Your threats are meaningless. I do not fear death.

    2. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This is well written and in keeping with logical thought rather than trying to prove a point. Makes me pause and remember times when I dealt with other young men dealing with anger and trying to find a place to focus it.

    3. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A lame attempt to create a strawman and shoot the messenger; an apology for Christians who view Jesus more as a ticket to Heaven than a way of life The world hates Jesus because he has exposed their hiding place, and has shewn they run in packs.

    4. W. Joe B. profile image72
      W. Joe B.posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I am not the one threatening you. Why is that always the knee-jerk response when someone wants to forget parts of the word when using other sections for a soap box?

    5. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      WJB, The quote U used is not a commandment but a warning.Big difference. Without judgment, man would be accountable 4 nothing. 4 example: I can judge the  hypocrite, as I am not. Hypocrisy cannot hide behind scripture. Follow Jesus or Mammon.

    6. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Be weary of those who deny that they commit a sin such as hypocrisy. No man is free from such bondage.

    7. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You also make assumptions. Perhaps I am not a man. As I can clearly see far above U.  And perhaps I am also not a dog, as I don't go running; foaming at the mouth, to rip, to rend,  and to vilify the image of God. Beware of yourself, and post a sign.

    8. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Now you and Norine can sugar coat the words and add them but you said it plain
      more. "The Law of Gravity will not spare U when you fall from the window. "
      Even a child can understand these words
      Both of you ought to be ashamed of youselfs, truth.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Why don't U "READ" (I Cor 12) instead of trying to find fault? Ur "teachings" will KILL U! 
      NOTHING will save U when U deny HIS WORD; As "Law of Gravity" KILLS, so does UNBELIEF!
      STOP looking "ignorant" to maintain "self righteousness!"

    10. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It is funny that U would dispute the Law of Gravity. But I caution you not to test it by jumping off of a bridge. It is also not wise to mock God.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie: I continue to give WORD re: "mocking" God=blasphemy for GOD is "The Holy Spirit" & blasphemy="eternal damnation!" 
      K&T: Be VERY careful or is "being right" that important to U?

    12. Vegas Elias profile image47
      Vegas Eliasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Wrench,
      To answer your question it is important to know that Christians really do not know Jesus. The Christians of today are indoctrinated with very scarce truncated truths about Jesus found in the New Testament.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      V: Amen!  Based on PEW report "Christians" in US 70.6&% yet NOT "shouting from rooftops" = Hypocrisy!

    14. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      peter, Then tell us your plan of salvation. A man  cannot discern evil without first knowing the good. Otherwise he is blind, and a blind man can only wonder. Where is the good that U see. And how can we get there?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Where"Christians" learn do NOT judge? Matt 7:1 says "U" judge not..!"Ps 37:30;Am5:14-15;Is59:8;1Cor1:10;2:15;6:1-5;Rm16:17-18;2Cor6:17;2Tim3:5-6;1Jn4:1;Mal13:18;Rev2:2;Jn7:24;1Kg3:9;Prov24:23;
      Jer5:1 & MY FAVORITE I Cor 6:3!
      SATAN'S LAUGHING!

    16. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Vegas Elias, I agree. Many do not understand the HS. They do not know they can communicate directly with the source of all creation. Of course we can , as we are creatures within God's creation. Jesus does not live in a book. He is living in my house

  8. kndashy41 profile image77
    kndashy41posted 2 years ago

    Well Wrench, in the Old Testament, Satan encountered Eve as a snake.  Sometimes, when we are deep "in our own understanding" we come face to face with a demon that we can't control without giving in to the fact that "our own understanding" of things just doesn't cut it.  This country's religion is not holy...it's Democracy.  We've tried to shove this hypocritical crap down the throats of nations, not because we believe in "Democracy," but because we have "interests" that have to be protected globally.  Now, when it's time to practice true "Democracy" our government is faced with its own putrid shit.  The enemy is using this same "Democracy" to travel on the travails of Syrian refugees to gain entry into our land...and they will!!!  Remember September 11th.  We have an open, "Democratic" society and now the government has to rethink "it's own understanding" in order to fight the "wild man" the Scriptures calls...ISHMAEL.  Our government is fearful and rightly so.  The American public needs to wake up, it's time...

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It s a myth that terrorists would need to "sneek" in with the refugees. If they exist they are already here. But this is about Christian hypocrisy. My people were not terrorists in 1830. The Christians desired the land more than Jesus. It is evil.

    2. kndashy41 profile image77
      kndashy41posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I meant no offense, Wrench. I just believe that this country hides behind "Christian" righteousness and uses the concept of equality to mask its hidden agendas.  From its inception, the notion of equality was a myth reserved for a few here & worl

    3. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      None taken. Many of your views I agree with, and some I do not. As the world turns. It is commonly the white conservative Christian who cannot tolerate differing opinions.They have re-designed Jesus to fit their materialistic culture.

    4. JLauren Angel profile image72
      JLauren Angelposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The old testament has already come to pass,

    5. kndashy41 profile image77
      kndashy41posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Look Esau (Lauren), if you want to find out whether or not the OT and the Apocrypha and Enoch are prophecy or not, simply read them carefully.  Don't try to force a different belief system down my throat.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L: We're disrespecting author's Question! 
      Sorry Ronnie! 
      Please see my Q "When Did the Apostles Stop Observing the Law?"

  9. Kiss andTales profile image78
    Kiss andTalesposted 2 years ago

    To answer this question is that people realize there is something wrong !
    Have you ever had a GPS that you followed and it lead you to a dead end street, why because it was outdated, it did not adjust to detours,  road construction,  faulty instructions can lead you wrong, once you go down that path you have to reroute and the best way is to use a real map. Another source to get to your destination,  many people have been lead wrong and have given up the trip to life eternal.
    many people have been lead wrong ,  they will not change route to get to the goal of their destination,  they lost faith during the trip.
    Mt 7:14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it.

    Mt 7:21“Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
    Notice Jesus said the one doing the will of his Father will.
    he certainly did not say do my will or name himself here.
    Because he also does his Father’s will.

    Joh 6:38 for I have come down from heaven to do,( not my own will ), but the will of him who sent me.

    Ro 2:13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous.

    It is clear we have both  situations , these people that know and hear the knowledge , and the other people exercise the true knowledge,  it is a way of life for them . These are the few that are on the cramped road to living forever in a troubled free world.
    Totally different .

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, a difference. The fireman who walks into the burning building to save a child is following Jesus; placing his own life in the hands of God to save another. There is no greater love. The world believes Jesus lives only in a book. Very stupid men.

    2. W. Joe B. profile image72
      W. Joe B.posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      ...and if the fireman is an Atheist or a Satanist? You make you own mistake of assumption, which you sneer at others for doing. Where is your consistency and relevance?

    3. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      In my example , if the Fireman is an Atheist or Satanist, then he is also following Jesus. There is no  assumption as I am the author. Love is not qualified by dogma or religion. Neither is Jesus.

    4. W. Joe B. profile image72
      W. Joe B.posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You, my friend, have become a waste of time. CAIO!

    5. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And so I have revealed to the world the heart of mainstream Christianity. Not once did this man mention the mothers and the children of Syria who today cry out for deliverance. I should have framed my question: "Why Do Christians Hate Jesus?"

    6. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The world is in certain conditions based on the assumptions of men of men's choices in Government,is not people who put men in government seats,God has allowed them to prove themselfs can they do it.
      History says No!
      But time has ran out all tested

    7. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KT,I agree the time is near. The Christians in America have had nearly 250 years to stand by Jesus. Instead they have run headlong to the shopping malls;spending time counting their money; while children are being killed with their tax dollars.

    8. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      True Ronnie I agree , that is the knowledge to know.
      But not knowledge work out faith.
      Like being a fireman as stated you know how to save a life from a burning building
      But when to duty , you decline your skill and ability to save a life.

    9. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KT, Yes, the secular world worships self, while the true Christian seeks to deny selfish desire. My personal safety is only a selfish desire. Fear is the destroyer of faith.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie:  Agree!  Time is "running out!"  "Christians" must soon PROVE Jesus or become known for what they "really are" - Hypocrites!

    11. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, Thanks! They have asked who am I to judge, and have held me up to ridicule.They are defenders of the world.But they are judged by the word. A man cannot hate the word and love Jesus. Jesus loves these children. I have no right to deny them.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie: Don't thank me-Thank GOD for U KNOW TRUTH in His Word!  I'm thankful to GOD U do!  I Cor 6:3 "Dont U know we will judge angels?" So who r they? Isaiah prophesied this - "No judgment!"  Is 59:8-15! If they KNEW WORD (Jesus) they'd KNOW!

    13. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie Jesus would not say that to anybody. think about it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Why do U cont to display "ignorance?"  U wish U could "catch me" (Scribe/Pharisee) in err but Holy Spirit won't allow.
      I addressed BILL!
      U're desperate! (Jn 8:44)
      TRUE:  LIES will not save one & when against WORD given=blasphemy=eterna

    15. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KT, First of all I am not Jesus. Secondly, you obviously have no appreciation of simile or metaphor. Your lack of reading comprehension is not my concern.

    16. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You see Ronnie I did contribute an answer to your topic that had nothing to do with Norine 5 days ago read post.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie: Matt 13:10-13 (V13) "Therefore speak I to them in parables, because they seeing, see not; and hearing, they hear not, neither do they understand." 
      I couldn't have said it better than JESUS!  They should've "WAITED!"

    18. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Peter there are plenty of atheist now ? Is the world getting better ? no ! and even though there are christians many are not the ones Jesus claimb as his ginuine followers,

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Jesus doesn't "claim" ANYTHING! 
      IF He SAID IT - "IT IS SO" (Num 23:19) for HE is GOD!
      READ I Cor Chapter 12; since U don't believe Eph 4:4-6 & MANY other Scriptures!
      Don't harden your heart - Jesus is calling (U)!
      I pray!

    20. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jas 4:6 However, the undeserved kindness that He gives is greater. So it says: “God opposes the haughty ones, but he gives undeserved kindness to the humble ones.
      Kindness of his spirit can only be given if you are humble.

    21. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And what about the humble hypocrite? Let us not forget Ananias and Sapphira. You concern yourself with etiquette when thousands are suffering. A fornicator has no greater shame than the hypocrite.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L: If HS came AFTER Matt 28:19, why do MOST baptize accordingly?  I can't find where ANYONE did in Scripture so who do "Christians?"

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    Norine Williamsposted 2 years ago

    Because they are not "True Worshipers" of Jesus (John 4:24)!  How can one forget "No weapon formed against me will prosper" (Isaiah 54:17)?  Do they not BELIEVE His Word?  Then, why fear, if "Christ dwells within you" (Romans 8:10-25)?

    If Scripture (His Word) is how one "interprets," then forms an opinion of "one's Jesus," why is IT WRITTEN for ALL?  If one has TRULY received "revelation" from the Holy Spirit, we should ALL be "ON ONE ACCORD" (Acts 1:14)!

    Therein lies the problem and is why so MANY denominations exists!  "Christians" have read "the letter" (II Corinthians 3:6) and have "formed an opinion" or "interpreted" ("perceived") the Word of God rather than allowing the Holy Spirit "reveal" TRUTH in His Word!

    Did not Jesus say in John 14:26 and 16:13 that the Holy Spirit would "lead and guide us into ALL truth?"  Did Jesus not send the Holy Spirit (on the Day of Pentecost; Acts 2:2) to do that?  Have "Christians" not done as "commanded" in Acts 1:4 which was to "WAIT" for the promise (Holy Spirit) which, saith he, ye have heard from me?"  Did we not "hear from Him" in John 14:26 and 16:13?

    Then why call yourselves "Christian?"  What MOST have done is "interpreted" His Word and "perceived" their righteousness! Did Proverbs 3:5 tell us to "Lean not to OUR OWN understanding?"  It's not about our "intelligence," but what IS WRITTEN in His Word which asked us not to do ANYTHING but "WAIT" for Holy Spirit's leadership and guidance! 

    If ALL would have "WAITED" as commanded, a question such as this would not be imposed! We would KNOW that Ronnie is RIGHT for the Holy Spirit does not LIE (Numbers 23:19)!   

    What happened to "Love thy neighbor as thyself?"  Is it not in His Word?  Get Real - "Christians!"

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Your understanding is superior. We cannot fashion Jesus in our own image. We do not have the option to love one child and not another. Nor can we accept love and not return it. We cannot forsake the image of God as a matter of convenience.;

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      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      True words Ronnie , why did you forget that  minutes ago?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: U are "twisted!"  Have U been given a "reprobate mind?" I pray not!  What part of "The Law of Gravity" KILLS as do UNBELIEF, when JESUS SAID "Love thy neighbor as thyself" do U not understand? The Law of Gravity won't save nor UNBELIEF n WOR

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      kndashy41posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I couldn't agree more, Norine!  I suppose the real question to pose to alleged "Christians" is "do you know who you are in Christ Jesus?"  An alleged "Christian" has fear because they KNOW who they are in Christ Jesus. (John 14:15)

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dana, That's right, the hypocrites of America have been judged by the word. They have made excuses for genocide, slavery, and now "fear" of Syrian refugees. The only thing a Christian need fear is losing their faith in Jesus.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Dana:It's SAD & Satan's LAUGHING! He has MOST "Christians" exactly where he wants them-"ignorant!" Ronnie is RT in saying " It is commonly the white conservative Christian who can't tolerate differing opinions.They've re-designed Jesus to fit ...

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      JLauren Angelposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There is also "human nature" of which God gave to us. Whether we chose to humble ourselves to be blown up and killed in the name of allah or not is our decision. Quoting the old testament is stupid on your part, it has already come to pass. Wake up!

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      LoliHeyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There is some stuff in the Old Testament that has not come to pass yet.  Some stuff that references stuff in Revelation.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lauren: Rm 8:8 "Flesh can't please GOD!"  Rm 12:19!  "Vengeance is mine saith the Lord!" We don't "blow up" anyone but if "blown up" didn't He suffer, why shouldn't we, IF "True Christians?"
      Lolita: RIGHT!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Forgot something , now last
      2Ki 19:35 On that very night the angel of Jehovah went out and struck down 185,000 men in the camp of the As·syrʹi·ans. When people rose up early in the morning, they saw all the dead bodies.
      Can Jesus get the Job done ?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Such ignorance!  WE NOW WORK IN HIS STEAD!  And is why NOTHING is being DONE!

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    PeterStipposted 2 years ago

    Why should you believe in Jesus in the frist place to help one another.
    Believing in God or a prophet has nothing to do with morals.
    Some believers do good things some do bad things.
    Same with atheists , some do good things some don't.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This topic concerns Christian hypocrisy.To answer : A man can pick up a guitar and learn how to play on his own. But I am a professional guitarist. The man that I teach will learn more. No need to re-invent the wheel when Jesus is perfection.

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      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      As far as I'm concerned Jesus never existed.
      Hypocrisy is everywhere though.and on topic. Racism and xenophobia too. Religion, like nationalism has the tendency to divide. Them and us. Them is dangerous!! only help the "us" clan.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Peter you say some words for thought, but consider the earths condition now without God's interference,  it does not look good, nor function to the good of all humankind
      Global.
      The point is the earth right now reflects choices of men and women.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      U are a sovereign with the free will to choose Jesus or the world. Of course 4 U Jesus does not exist as U have chosen the world. Jesus is not of the world. Men are only divided by good and evil.

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      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Wow!

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      PeterStipposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie to divide men between good and evil is simplistic and incredibly dangerous. Tell me who's to judge (and don't say God)...It's mostly a dictator who does...
      Tell me what's the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Pete: READ Romans Chapter 12!
      (V7) "WAIT!"
      (V9) "W/O "hypocrisy!"
      (V19) "Avenge not yourselves, I will repay!"
      (V21) GOD has divided, not us! {paraphrasing}
      No diff! BOTH anti-Christ vs "Love thy neighbor as thyself" (Matt 12:31)!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie , Mt 26:53O do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than 12 legions of angels?
      No number of humans can match that.
      So are you with Jesus as your lead or are you working against him helping satan.?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: That SAME JESUS said "...He that BELIEVETH on me, the works that I do shall he do also, & GREATER WORKS than these shall he do, because I go to my Father" (Jn 14:12) because He sent the Holy Spirit PROMISED in Jn 16:13 Who came in Acts 2

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      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie a time has already been set to remove these problems.
      Like a person with cancer do we have a right to do surgery because our love one has cancer? No ! The experience,  the doctor , the one who knows what to do to keep the patient living does

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KT,  U suggest that Mother Theresa was a fool and a heretic for dedicating her life to helping the poor. It is my obedience to God that has brought me here. But I have no love for a herd of swine, nor am I required to lie down with an abomination.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L:  This is Hub w/in Itself!  Study! See Paul acting in Jesus' stead cont to "fulfill law" others learning (disciples)! Paul didn't make mistakes for he "Walked in the Spirit" as we can today!

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    peter565posted 2 years ago

    I think the western world are better off, if everybody become an atheist, or return to pre Christian pagan, religion. No religion that follow the Christian god, is truly good, regardless of Judiasm, Christian or Muslim. Religion war reign this region following this god, for the past 1500 years. The only return it seized in the west, is because we are not religious anymore, but still there are some Christian groups stiring up troubles.  Radical muslim groups in the Middle East, is even worse.
    FYI Take a look at this bible verses.
    "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)

    "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 12:2)

    "But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 12:5)

    "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." (Revelation 2:22-23)



    Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works
    2 John 1:9-11

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There were no Christians during Leviticus. Only after Jesus.Jesus didn't burn people, or put them to death. Christians have never started one war. Only the pretenders. Yes, the earth will be purged. Do U eat rotten fruit and spoiled meat?

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yet, these problematic phrase, still exist in Christian bible. it isn't, Jesus teaching only. Plus, Jesus is not 100% perfect either, correct me if I'm wrong but Revelation and John come after Jesus, so Jesus is just less bloody

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      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Peter as a man you are dictating what is good and evil , but humans are not allowed to choose their choice by you unless critized, at lease Jesus gives us a choice without interference.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      peter,A ten gallon bucket can only hold ten gallons of water. What else can a man know without faith? Jesus is alive in Syria.and Nigeria.U R lost in a book.Go to the source..

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      In my opinion, it is like, a very corrupt and oppressive King, then his son becomes King and less corrupt and oppressive than his father, but still corrupt and oppressive, I think Jesus is like the 2nd King, because Jesus said disturbing things too

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Pete: Because U look "carnally" (in flesh R "your understanding" Prov 3:5) and not Spiritually (MASTER  PLAN=JESUS) which if ANYTHING/ONE prevented HIS coming = MOVE! 
      Only "disturbing things" if NOT IN THE SPIRIT!

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "And they enter into a covenant to seek Lord, God of their fathers, with all their heart and all their soul, but whoever would not seek the Lord, God of Israel, should be put to death, young or old, man or woman.(Chronicles 15:12-13)thus he=false god

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Pete: Which proves my explanation that THE GOD does remove ANYONE/THING preventing HIS PLAN!
      Thank Him for His "Grace & Mercy" or Chronicles would apply!

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      His plan is to go ISIS on everybody's ass. He is a false god. He probably told Osama Bin Ladin to do 9/11. What sort of god, tell people to kill infidels?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Pete: Doesn't matter if He told Bush to do 9/11, it was prophesied in Isaiah 9:10-11 & was destined to be fulfilled! 
      He's REAL (Isaiah 43:10-13;45:7)!  You can't beat Him!  May as well join Him!
      FOR HE IS GOD!

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Only Jesus holds the beacon of liberty. A pillar of cast iron,copper, and steel holds a beacon of darkness,and is a guidepost for evil.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie:They've forgotten GOD & why the US is in such turmoil as it moves farther from GOD!GOD IS TIRED!Look what "hypocrisy" is doing to the nation when we should ALL be on ONE ACCORD according to His Word!
      As n a family,What one does affects AL

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine Williams, there is only one true god and that is the anti christ and he is the good guy. And Jesus doesn't sound so liberal to me, he is just less oppressive

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      P: Well, provide a book that your god has written w/as many "fulfilled prophecies" written before Bible if he's the "true god?" 
      John 8:44

      Why so  much "hate" for me guys (Jn 15:18)?  Must have Something going on! The more U do, the more I KNOW!

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There are plenty of psychic that successfully predict future. The bible just recruit some people, that can prediction future, something modern science can't explain yet. It is not supernature, it is science,

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      P: And "science" will NEVER "explain!"  U can't deny (if honest)! 
      Produce the book or "science" needs to "catch up!"
      Very "IMMATURE" (Spiritually) to me!

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The arrogant monkey fell out of a tree and started to speak, and so now he believes that he himself is God. Science cannot exist without God. God is the author of all. U should speak to God, instead of a monkey.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      First you need to prove that god even exist

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      peter, I have nothing to prove.I am not your teacher, or Santa Claus. U have to believe, and then U have to seek the truth. Then it shall be revealed.There are many who will smile and say the right words as U go walking straight into hell.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The truth is a false god and an ass and evil son of a bitch, pretending to be god. End of discussion.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      P: Rm 1:21-32 applies ("Reprobate mind") & HELL (Lake of Fire) is your home w/o repentance!
      End of discussion!

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sound more like bible lies, like when they say the earth is flat or the earth is only 5000 years old.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      peter, If there is anything else derogatory and spiteful U would like to say, feel free to express yourself. I do not censor, as U only must answer to God.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, "Christ suck!!!!!!!!" I am the blasphemy king bitches

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      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What an interesting comment. Anger is fueled. What fuels you to speak with such anger? How can you know that what Christ is to me is bad?

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      peter,  But now the anti-climax, followed by the old ennui, will deliver U unto a deep depression filled with dangerous thoughts. Let humility intervene, humble yourself before God, and be lifted up!

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      All Christ ever want to do, is want you to kill people ISIS style. He is a sicko

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric: Problem: U've been "taught" AGAINST His Word (Jn 10:10)! Heb 4:12 "hurts!" II Tim 3:16 "Correct!" Then U "see" insult! No JUDGMENT - GOD Hates (Ps 37:30)! 
      If U seek "Such a one that is tolerant and loving toward all..." U don't seek JESUS!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Peter instead of saying the many mental disorientation of words and curse words is disrespectful , and serves no purpose , especially on this subject, I thought you were beyond this evil speech, you have close down your project of being heard sad

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: Not agreeing w/Peter, but at least he's open & honest in his opinion rather than "hiding behind the name of JESUS!"
      Now that's sad!

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      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      God gives us opinions and they are marvelous. We listen and we learn, we preach and we are cut off from entry of the divine. How can our hearts work when our mouths are working, or our pen? Live in peace and peace will come to others.

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ye Eric, that is the demonic mantra that was repeated for over 400 years as the Image of God suffered in bondage. Your deception could use a little more spit and polish.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And they entered into a covenant to seek Lord, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman. (Chronicles 15:12~13)he is false god

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      U focus on Old Testament as if it is a smoking gun. It is not. My focus is on the teaching of  Jesus. A Christian follows Jesus.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Try telling that to all the Christian group that is discriminating gay because it is a sin. Or those lobby against artifical insimination because it is a sin and so on

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hypocrites concern themselves with issues that are convenient, such as U describe. But the refugee is too much effort . They R more concerned with your harsh language than the harsh reality of war.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jew god, Christian god, Muslim god, all the same god. And this is the part of the world that experience religion wars. The world will be a better place, if Christ never existed or if people would leave his corrupt teaching. No Christ=NO ISIS

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      peter, That's completely nonsensical. Jesus is real. Islamic State is a fiction created by the west to further U.S. Imperialist expansion in the Middle East. U have been  witnessing staged events. Welcome to the dog and pony show.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jew, Christian and Muslim god is the same god, all with its own interpretation of the same text. ISIS is a Muslim extremists group that practice scripture teaching of religion persecution, even killing people interpriting the text different to them

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      peter, when the record starts to skip, pick up the needle and then gently lower it back in the groove.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That is the only fact there, is. Christ suck, the world would be better without it, people should go back to worship Thor and Zuse

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Pete: Did I not tell U that Christians r Ur problem bcuz of your lifestyle? "..all the Christian group that is discriminating gay because it is a sin." U have chosen, live w/it or come back home where U belong (Rm 1:21-32)! "His Hand's still stretche

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The people are not the problem here, Christian value is the problem. A psycho mass murder, who claim he is always right and perfect.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      P: NO! Ur "unnatural use of the body" as GOD intended is ur problem!  There's no justification for it! We're to reproduce & that's it!  Although satisfying to the flesh, it's against GOD; therefore, U "strike out" at ANYONE/THING against!
      TRUTH!

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      First, I'm not gay. second, ur god is a false god. he is a little liar, who make up story saying he create everything and the earth is only 5000 years old. read your own bible, (Exodus 34:14-16) even the bible say he is a jealous been.

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      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Very interesting to see such anger thrust upon something not believed. A little sad. If God does not exist what do you care about God? Seems like you are really upset with people, especially happy ones.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Religion is for a person's spiritual fulfilment only it gives no right to enforce religious law, cause harm or limit freedom, upon another, yet again and again we see groups that follow this god, violating this law and I'm sick of it

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Pete: Until U come to the realization that U ARE NOT GOD, He established laws, it's up to creations (us) to "Humble ourselves" (as U would expect something U created to do; II Chron 7:14), U won't find PEACE! U can't beat Him - So join Him!

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It appears that pete has found a home. But I will tell anyone: If U are dealing with a bad feeling, it's only going to get worse. Let Jesus lift U up. I have stood at the threshold of eternity. Love is real. God is real. Jesus is the light of love.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      ur false god is not peace, he is the false god of war and confusion. Do you know who else said the same load of crap, you just said about ur false god. the Chinese Communist Party said the same thing about Mao Zedong, nothing more then a sick f***

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The demon is not only subordinate to God, but also to man. The demon has no emotion,and is confounded, and destroyed by it. Humble yourself before God. Let the love of God in your heart, give your burden to Jesus, and set yourself free.

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      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Profanity tells a reader that the writer is frustrated that he cannot find the words to express himself. Usually a fear/anger based angst. It is good you have this space to vent. Pent up it could reveal itself in real destructive behavior.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Your god is a false god and is the real demon. He is  a psycho that tell people to kill non believer. There is no peace with him, only death, poverty and destruction, like u see in dark and middle ages Europe and modern ISIS and Taliban

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      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      How do you know MY God of love and understanding. You are omnipotent and God? You do not know me or my love for all. Your anger makes you sad to me. I love you but you do not want to be loved.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Your god claims to be of a god of love, yet his bible tell people to comittee murder in his name. His follower seperate into Jew, Christian and Muslims and kill each other in his name and he do nothing. He is not more

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      P: AFTER Jesus died, OT law changed which U cont to refer making U sound IGNORANT of HIS WORD!
      Under NEW COVENANT, Gal 3:28 says "There is neither Jew nor Greek..; for ye are all ONE in Christ Jesus."
      Stop continuing to show Ur IGNORANCE & STUD

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Doesn't change the fact these lines are still in the bible

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      P: I Thess 4:13 (The word "ignorant" is used) "Brethern, I would not have U "ignorant.." so don't think I'm using It but GOD!
      If U would spend more time "studying" VS "talking" U wouldn't continue to appear "IGNORANT!"

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The only ignorant person here is you, you follow the teaching of an evil god blindly.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      P: Well, since 70.6% of the US (PEW Report) believes in GOD, where does that leave U?
      IGNORANT!

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      76% of American believe in Christ, because from 5th~16th century, the church hold power and kill people for disobdiance. For the past 400 years people have been moving further away from his false teaching, now time to abandon him all together

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      P: Fm ur post: "...If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works." No more "taking part in your wicked works."
      But Grace!

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The world would be better off without Christ, end of discussion

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      peter, U have delivered a great irony. The world "is" without Christ.  See how they turn from the Image of God, yet eagerly attack the messenger. I do not love U, and neither does the demon. But I have told the truth. Better 4 U to seek the truth.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The west is less Christ now, then it been for the past 2000 years and it is a better place, no more dark ages, no people been burn on stake, we have medicine, industrial revolution, human right, not possible under christ, because it contradict bible

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      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      peter,125 million war deaths since WWI: 2500 killed by drones in 6 years : 40,000 MVC's annual U.S.: Gun Death U.S. 33,169 in 2013 : 17 million women raped in U.S.. It appears that we are still living in the Dark Ages.

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      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Before u open ur mouth, I suggest u take a look at how bad life is under Christ, PS; I suggest u look up the Spain baby smuggling incident and Catholic church home for unwed mothers, modern west's worse human right violation, is done under christ

    68. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      peter, Catholicism is not Jesus.Constantine perverted Christianity. Evil masquerades as Christian to deceive. The best way to destroy is from within. U have been fooled.

    69. profile image54
      peter565posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      All I needed to know is the bible teach killing non believers and every nation that are faithful to this god, whether by been Jew, Christian or Muslim, suffers violent and religion persecution, it use to be Europe, now it is Taliban and ISIS

  13. gconeyhiden profile image71
    gconeyhidenposted 2 years ago

    WHY? BECAUSE EVERYTHING ISN'T WHAT IT APPEARS.   bring to mind the question..is it the real Mc Coy?   Is the $20. bill IN MY HAND real or phony.   Is that ant really an ant, or is it a brilliantly disguised  jumping spider pretending to be an ant.  Deception is a survival strategy in nature, this is true for humans as well.   its a way to get by.   you can call yourself aNYTHING BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOUR THE REAL DEAL.  there are mimic jumping spiders in every religion.  Org. religion itself is one of the biggest hustles of all time.

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      gc,Agreed. The deception began in earnest with Constantine who injected materialism into the faith. Historical record shows Christianity in U.S. as commonly practiced is a perversion of  the gospel.

    2. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      GOD IS GATHERING "THE CHURCH!"  Hallelujah!

    3. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie you seem to run a one tract mind,
      Ro 12:19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says Jehovah.”
      Are you over ridding Jesus as the lead.

    4. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I see U have created a strawman.But I do not answer to those who have turned away from the Image of God, while making themselves fat with sugar and sweet meats.

    5. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie Jesus does nor need humans to fight for him , what he ask is that we obey his commands to keep us safe. I gave scriptures but you are making light of it, did Noah need a sword against the violence and bullies, No! We will not again.

    6. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And so U continue to build a strawman. Only U speak of violence. Only U speak of a sword. I have spoken of helping those who cannot help themselves. I am not fighting for Jesus. I am following Jesus. Who do U follow?

    7. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine you are agreeing ! but that does not mean you are speaking right, I can not take the things you say serious you have showed alot of bias comments even racist
      I do not take your comments as spiritual .
      You speak for yourself not Jesus.

    8. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T:SAD! U didn't "WAIT" for Holy Spirit or U would KNOW!
      On the contrary, I take Ur comments as spiritual (demonic)!

  14. lawrence01 profile image78
    lawrence01posted 2 years ago

    I can see what you're saying, but to label all believers for those actions would be wrong!
    1780s in England, it was a group of Christians who stood up and said slavery was wrong, the fight took fifty years and then only got the slave trade banned but they fought on and eventually it was all changed.
    1933 Germany. The Christians opposed Hitler from day one. Dietrich Bonhoeffer was in the US at the time of the election, he went back to Germany to be a voice against the regime all the way through. My figures show as many as ten thousand Germans actively worked against Hitler not to mention the fifty or so thousand Christians who went to the gas chambers because they refused to bow the knee.
    1940 at the height of the war Hitler did order a boatload of Jews to leave from Romania. The boat was intercepted and turned round by the Royal Navy! When Churchill found out he went ballistic and immediately ordered the Royal Navy destroyer to give chase to the ship and make sure the ship reaches Israel, he also gave the order that NO JEWS WERE TO BE TURNED BACK and made it plain it was court martial for anyone who dares try otherwise.
    As for today, from day one Jordanian Christians, Turkish Christians, Iraqi Christians, Kurdish Christians and Christians from the west have been right in the thick of things, they aren't shouting it from the rooftops what they're doing but they're right there helping and (in the case of the Kurds) protecting them with their own lives!
    We could do more, that I will grant you, but there are many hundreds truly living out what it means to be disciples! They just aren't making a big thing about it as they want their reward to be in heaven not here on earth!
    Hope that makes sense
    Lawrence

    1. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Pete: PEW Study=Christians 70.6% n US! Consider source:Ronnie (Jewish-American) observing "Christians" n US. 
      FACT:  TRUTH re: "Christians" n US=Hypocrites ("...they aren't shouting it from the rooftops...")!
      "Hope this makes sense."
      ???????????
      "

    2. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L, It makes sense,but I have not labeled all believers. White abolitionists not the majority. Thus 400 years of slavery. Germany or any other nation  is irrelevant.Mainstream Christ ignore genocide and profit from stolen continent. Syria ignored.

    3. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lawrence, that is a very interesting perspective. Your knowledge in that arena is impressive. Grouping Christians all into one category seems nearly impossible to do correctly.

    4. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If not "majority," why not "screaming from the rooftops?" 
      Come on "Christians!"
      Tell TRUTH - Live TRUTH or Hypocrisy!
      Why continue to appease & not allow WORD (GOD)  "judge" - TODAY or are we waiting for a "convenient time?"
      Then NEVER!

    5. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Wrench
      I'd agree with what you say but what I was trying to say is that those who truly follow Jesus are always a minority! That's just a fact of life! Probably the only time it wasn't was in the days of Acts of the Apostles!

    6. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      LH, Minority notwithstanding,if the world is still suffering then we are not doing enough.It is shameful to fear for our mortal lives when Jesus suffered the cross 4 our salvation. Only the hypocrite fears death.

    7. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      TRUTH: This world has established a "personal Jesus" full of complacency perceiving a "ticket to heaven" with no suffering which is not according to His Word! If one was a "true worshiper" they would have the same mind, on "one accord" w/Word!

    8. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, Yes, the "pursuit of happiness" is a great deception. They sit on beaches and drink cocktails while children are being butchered all around them . It is too much trouble 4 them to even speak against it.No need to spoil their fun.

    9. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie:  GOD IS TIRED!  Tired of His creations "playing church, playing christianity, playing w/HIM" - PERIOD! 
      He's coming soon to straighten this out as He did in the days of Noah but this time with FIRE!

    10. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      In general we are all God's creations, what part of the earth is available to us is a kindness from our Heavenly Father , but it is an unloving thing not to want shelter and security for any human like ouselfs, besides
      The earth was here already .

    11. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KT, U R good at building a strawman. And what diversion do U have to explain your focus on me as opposed to Syrian Refugees,  20 million acres of stolen property, and over 200 dead Jews?

    12. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie you were blessed to be born, and yes the world is field with injustice all around us , you have a mission of refugee concern I give you my highest regards for your faithfulness of humanity concerns.
      But you are saying Jesus can not do his Job

    13. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KT, and so now U have created the greatest strawman of all. It is foolish to suggest that I have said, or implied such a thing. The record is right here with nothing deleted. Now prove your fiction to the world.

    14. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie I said nothing of mother Teresa,  you did, I have only been speaking about Jesus,  which you disregard and speak as though you are in a transe.
      The only thing that matters is doing things Jesus way. Anything else is valuless.
      Last post.

    15. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KT, It is good to see U go. Although I do not censor, I have grown tired of your semantics and apologies 4 evil.U deny the word of Jesus yet U claim to follow. This is typical for mainstream Christians who deny the Holy Spirit..

    16. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie
      Firstly I'm not American! I'm a Brit and I follow Jesus.
      Second I have been there, done that and I'm still involved in many ways!
      Thirdly its time for you to stop shouting from the side and get involved!!
      When are you going to do that?

    17. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L, I am guided by the HS. U R not, as U would see where I am standing, and in what order. I do not boast of my good works, but only Jesus. Your trickery is well known. Dogs are barking; I do not speak their language, so there is nothing 2 explain.

    18. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      'Judge not lest you also be judged, for by the same standard you judge you will also be judged' words of Jesus himself!!! Now some of try to live it like St Francis and like Jesus.
      I've heard the BS about being guided by the Spirit, LIVE WHAT YOU SA

    19. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It was a good day when I developed a personal relationship with Jesus. No more need to quote the Bible or a preacher. Now called how to speak through action. We don't follow Jesus as much as we walk side by side. Newborns are great!

    20. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L, As the hypocrite can see. I "am"  living it. A dead man does not speak this language. U have judged yourself by turning your back on the Image of God, and by mocking the messengers of God who speak through the HS. Now, receive your reward.

    21. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie
      I apologize for my tone here, I am getting frustrated though with the lack of understanding and compassion for those struggling with obedience. Jesus never condemned the struggler but he had harsh words for the judgemental.

    22. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      U R very condescending. I have come to Nineveh on account of Jesus. This was not my desire, nor do I love those who dwell in this lower region. Not my will, but the will of God.

    23. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      wow transformation of a being into a deity right before our very eyes. I am shocked but not awestruck. We will give time here as a ripening of fruit is always a good idea.

    24. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The mission of the demon is to ridicule. You only reveal your ignorance of the word. Jonah was a man, not a deity. I am a man, and a follower of Jesus, which has elevated me above the demon, or the swine in which he resides.

    25. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L: The ONLY "struggle" there is IF 1 didn't "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) as commanded! Holy Spirit (aka Jesus) "leads & guides!" Do U think HE fails (Matt 19:26)? U BELIEVE? RELIGION doesn't teach TRUTH but I (WORD) will! "Judgmental?" Ps 37! Speak judgment

  15. JLauren Angel profile image72
    JLauren Angelposted 2 years ago

    Wow. That's all I have to say. I have not turned my back on the image of God, nor have I allowed the devil to persuade me to believe all things in front of me are not real.

    The real question here is Syrian Refugees refuse to come into the USA the right way, they refuse to take our classes, go through the naturalization process and refuse to hold valid visas.

    To any and all non-valid individuals in this country, you better run or you better get papered. We don't want you here, unless you are valid.

    1. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lauren
      Are you aware that to 'go through the system' takes about ten years? In that ten years you have no country, no home, no one wants you, all you have is your culture! It's the only thing that keeps you sane! Many do take citizenship when they c

    2. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Even the saints may use foul language,or chase after a woman,.but a demon will argue against the will of God on any account.

    3. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Going through 'the system' often tears families apart as one gets the papers and another doesn't. Then it's a wait of years (five or more) until the 'legal' can sponsor the next!
      Fifteen years apart! How would you feel?

    4. JLauren Angel profile image72
      JLauren Angelposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, and look at the millions of people in America who came in the right way. They are loved, embraced and welcomed. Refugees have their own country. Buck up and take it back or get papers. Simple solution.

    5. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      'Refugees' have no country!! They are 'stateless'! They live in camps where there is no Law!
      They learn not to trust governments. To learn to trust again takes time and patience! What would Jesus be doing?

    6. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus is the definition of love. Love leaves no one behind, especially a child who has been brutalized, terrorized, and who is living in fear.

    7. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Wrench biscuit
      I so agree with your last comment.
      Lawrence

    8. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Where does all of this "hate" come from which produces statements i.e, Lauren's  "I have not turned my back on the image of God..." yet is nowhere close to His image? 
      Lauren: What is your definition of the image of God?
      Something's amiss!

    9. JLauren Angel profile image72
      JLauren Angelposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Love? Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil...

    10. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I had a missionary friend once tell me "The reason the refugees are coming is because we Christians refuse to go to them with the good news! We refuse to follow God's call, so he brings them to us"
      Think about that one, see if it's true if you!

    11. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lauren: Well, where is that "love" when it comes to others? Why are U talking out of both sides of your mouth?
      All any "True Christian" should do is "Love thy neighbor as thyself" by coming to the defense of anyone in need of help! So says GOD!

    12. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Lauren you speak some truth,but we must  remember the Jews served the purpose of genealogy for the Messiah to be born through, a success, it also was a tragedy
      That the same Jews killed him of rejection.
      History has shown God's favor of All humans

    13. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: U're sickening w/ur "sugar coated twisted" beliefs! U r "proof" that SATAN knows the WORD also (Jm 2:19)! U cont to "reveal" Urself (Jn 8:44)!
      Ronnie (Jew):U speak truth they killed Jesus but WORD was to be fulfilled or we (Gentiles)=nothing

    14. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine
      You are correct. However read your Bible!!! Acts 10 and 15 happened at least 15-20 years after Acts 2. Those are the incidents I'm talking about!!!

    15. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L:How could they "Walk in the Spirit" when "law" wasn't "fulfilled" as yet! PAUL cont "fulfilling law" AFTER HS came cont to teach the "disciples!" Why I say PAUL was "vessel" in Jesus' stead! Eph 4:11 Where's disciples? Did Paul make mistake?

  16. ValKaras profile image85
    ValKarasposted 2 years ago

    In my view, the answer is actually very simple. Following any teacher of the mankind is almost impossible because people's consciousness is not evolved enough. Intellectually we can grasp many things of higher teachings, but we can't implement them into our life styles and mind styles, into our ways of coexisting with one another. We are simply not wired in our brains (as yet) for it At our best, we can put up a sad imitation of those teachings.

    Asking "why" we are not trying harder  -  would be more like a rhetorical question, not one with any practical value  -  again, because it all starts with the level of awareness. Intelligence doesn't help, because many tyrannical leaders were very intelligent  -  and so are those behind every atrocity on the globe, behind greed, organized crime, mass deception.

    There are many wonderful people in this world, but neither they can live like saints. For quite a long time, this is not a world of robes and sandals. Mankind has to go through growing stages which often include "growing pains". We all need more love, less criticism; and then maybe we can open our eyes a little wider and snap out of our soap operas that are weakening our spirits.

    1. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A very interesting take on man as a whole, quite applicable I believe. Our homogenousness makes us fall short. But sometimes we get it right as a soul and as a group of souls. Rhetorical question at best.

    2. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Your assertion that there is no practical value to the question is a defeatist attitude. If the African had not questioned why they had to sit in the back of the bus they would still be there. Christians do not sit on the sidelines.

    3. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And there are only twelve players to a team -- what do Christians do then?

    4. ValKaras profile image85
      ValKarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie, maybe you should stick to teaching guitar (if you are good as you are advertising it), because these days people choose their schools, it's not that "teachers" give unsolicited lectures. Jesus was a humble teacher  -  follow him.

    5. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No prophet ever yelled at people that he was a prophet. Those who do are suspect at best. And it entices those who quote scripture to prove a point which feeds the ego of the malcontents.

    6. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It is your own words that have secured your feet on a path of destruction. UR the teacher and I am only a witness to your folly. Without the greatest humility I could not bear witness to such a spiteful generation.

    7. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric:  Paul was considered an Apostle (Prophet) who heard DIRECTLY from the Holy Spirit (JESUS)!  Consider II Cor 11 in which he "boasted."  Although admittedly foolish (v23), sometimes it must be done for man's sake (v18)!

    8. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting Norine. I think I never just equated Apostle to automatically translate into prophet. And I know I do not think of Paul as a prophet but I can understand why you do. Like I said -- interesting.

    9. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric,It appears U know the def. of neither. In order to receive the message U must first open your  heart. In order to deliver the message and not stumble,U must then open your eyes.

    10. Ericdierker profile image42
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ronnie, your comment is relevant to mine -- How? And you presume to teach me? Now that is really interesting. Have you had visions like Paul? That would explain a whole lot.

    11. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I saw a hypocrite bound and securely tied in a burlap sack.He was cast beneath a fount of Love. He kicked and screamed as the goodness burned his flesh and consumed the bone. His naked soul jumped up and ran screaming into the wilderness.

    12. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric: Doesn't an apostle & a prophet both hear directly fm GOD? IT'S WRITTEN!  Theological seminary's teachings vs Spirit equals nothing & is why U can't relate to Ronnie (Gal 1:12)! Rm 8:5-8! No "visions like Paul?" Who do U serve?
      Heb 13:8

  17. Shyron E Shenko profile image81
    Shyron E Shenkoposted 2 years ago

    I don't think that Christians are afraid to follow Jesus.  I think that Christians (and this is debatable) are too self absorbed and it is too inconvenient to follow any deity.
    Merry Christmas Ronnie

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. If they're afraid of anything, it's the possibility that they might have to spend a little money. The terrorist threat is a convenient excuse.

    2. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine
      I said 'Apostles' and that's what I meant!! If they'd understood Jesus right about "go into all the world" why did the HS have to intervene? (Cornelius) What about those who still taught they had to follow the Law?

    3. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L: Disciple=Student v Apostle=Commissioned! The Word 'Apostle' was only used AFTER Acts 2:2. Jesus (aka HS) continued "fulfilling law" AFTER ascension!
      We would not be told to "Walk in the Spirit" if impossible (Gal 5:16) & won't "blow it!"

    4. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine
      Correct. But read your Bible! Acts chapters 10 and 15 is where I'm talking about! Why did the HS have to intervene to confirm the last words of Jesus if they weren't doing things wrong? We all make mistakes but God still loves and forgives.

    5. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      God will not forgive the great whore who has spread her legs and infected the world with materialism, greed, and violence. Nor the whore monger who feeds on the blood of innocents.

    6. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L: Never said we don't make mistakes & He doesn't forgive!  I said when 1 is "Walking in the Spirit" (JESUS aka HS)=NO MISTAKES! Until "law fulfilled," via Paul, level of Faith produced action level! Apostle Paul had IT! Now avail to ALL (Gal 5:1

    7. lawrence01 profile image78
      lawrence01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine
      Not sure where you get that! History tells us different, Christians 'walking in the spirit' mistaking what God actually said!
      All we ask for is a little understanding as Christians do make mistakes even about God's call. Give grace and love

    8. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L: I'm saying if ANOINTED by HS (as Paul: Walking in the Spirit), one does NOT MAKE MISTAKES for JESUS FILLED! U can "look" @ Acts 10-28 & "see" law being fulfilled by PAUL in Jesus' stead cont to teach ALL thru obeying law of land via religion!

  18. word55 profile image68
    word55posted 2 years ago

    Because they are distracted, tempted and misled by the wiles of the devil.

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. It is ironic that so many so-called "educated " people do not believe in the devil, or a dark force in the world, as the devil clearly believes in them.

    2. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      They really DON'T KNOW Scripture, yet proclaim "Christianity?"  Eph 6:12-20 "For we wrestle not against flesh & blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness..."

    3. Kiss andTales profile image78
      Kiss andTalesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Also Ronnie thousands were suffering before my birth and yours, there are things not under our jurisdiction to touch or bother
      As you said Ananais and his wife. We have no right to walk ahead of the Father and act
      Unauthorized .Jesus and Angels work

    4. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      L: It wasn't as Paul (Atty) didn't KNOW no more "law" but he worked thru the system (religion) to "fulfill law" which now affords us DIRECT ANOINTING w/NO MORE MISTAKES which is SALVATION by FAITH under New Covenant! FAITH is key! BELIEVING "rightly

    5. wrenchBiscuit profile image80
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Our rank and station have been ordained by God, not dogma or popular consensus. Jesus has commanded that we save these children, at any cost. Let the prophet carry the word and let the fool ignore it. Gods will be done.

    6. profile image55
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If not, "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord"
      Hebrews 10:26-31 (v31) "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the LIVING GOD!"

  19. clivewilliams profile image85
    clivewilliamsposted 2 years ago

    So shall it be in the beginning, so shall it be in the end

  20. Say Yes To Life profile image80
    Say Yes To Lifeposted 2 years ago

    As an individual who struggles to make ends meet, I can't do anything to help the Syrian refugees.  If i were President of the US, as one of the most powerful people in the world, I could do a lot more to help them, but even then, I could do only so much.  The real solution for them is for that war to end and their country restored.  The President of the US can't do that - but Jesus, the most powerful being in the universe, can.
    The real question is, why doesn't Jesus follow Jesus?

 
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