Does God determines who will be saved and who will be lost before the foundation of the world?
This is the doctrine of Predestination
If we assume that God is an existing entity within the system of this universe and that God is the catalyst of the cosmological constants that drive the development of the universe, we have to believe that God generated those laws with intention. If the intention of God in creating those laws was indeed to trigger a process of matter and energy expansion culminating in this universe, God must operate in accordance with the laws that God generated. For, if God violates those laws, God derails the development of the universe. Now, with the assumption of God as the generator of the cosmological constants of the universe who operates within the confines of those principals, we would expect to see demonstration of these principals through predictability. Physics is our confirmation of the existence of these constants. So, it stands to reason that the development of this universe is a contingency of those laws. So, assuming that God intentionally bound the universe to behave within the confines of cosmological constants, the state of every person is a contingency of a conscious choice by God. Therefore, whatever belief or behavior or lack thereof results in salvation is at the very least indirectly determined by the will of God. Free will could perhaps exist but only to the extent that no choice alters the course of the development of the universe according to the original intention of God.
God did not determine who will be saved or lost before the creation of the world. Human beings help decide that in accordance with the free will that they are created with.
God does know who will be saved or lost, and He provides a way for humans to be saved. But if they reject God's way, then they will not be saved. We are not born with immortality, but those who accept God's way of salvation will be saved and receive eternal life.
Only God is immutable. All else changes as can destiny by God's will.
No! God wants all to turn to Him. It would be unfair to create people with the intention that they cannot be saved.
Well....we don't know for sure that they were not saved. Some scholars believe that Judas was not saved because Jesus told him it would have been better for him not to have been born at all...but we just don't know.
Lolita , You're right! God is a JUST God who has given us free will (Josh 24:15="Choose!") Re: Judas & Pharaoh; Ex 33:19; Rm 9:15 (GOD has Mercy on whom He pleases.") Therefore, "we just don't know."
The Bible teaches that God has indeed predestined the saved to be saved. In Ephesians 1:4-6 we read:
"even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved." (ESV)
At the same time, we know from Scripture that God does not desire the death of the sinner, but that he should turn from his way and live (Ezekiel 18:23). We also know that God desires all to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Timothy 2:4).
Now, we can do three things with this. We can go the Arminian route and maintain free will at the expense of God's election. We can go the Calvinist route and assume that God actually kinda wants the death of a sinner. Or we can hold these equally true passages of Scripture in tension. We can hold that God elects the saints from before the foundation of world, and that he does not elect people to damnation, but that they by their impenitence harden themselves, at least at first (see the example of Pharaoh). They seem logically incompatible, but then again, so does the doctrine of the Trinity. Theology need not fit a logical system. It merely needs to repeat back to God what He has said to us in Scripture.
Well said Kris, this is by far the best response I've gotten. thanks.
Translation: I don't have a clue and it doesn't make sense at all, but I'm gonna keep on believing it because that's what I'm comfortable with.
by haj3396 11 months ago
When God come How many people will be saved that are alive. the bible states only 144,000, that are alive will be save out the whole world. How many dead will be saved, the bible state a number that no man can number.
by Obinna Donald Ogba 3 years ago
Was it "Before Abraham was, "I am" existed " that Jesus actually meant in John 8:58?Jesus is often quoted as saying "before Abraham was even born, I Am!" This passage, is often used to defend the fact that he was in existence before creation, as God. But, was he...
by Disappearinghead 5 years ago
It's the central theme of Christian doctrine that unless someone believes in Jesus they are going to hell when they die, which is primarily based on John 3:16 "For God so loved the World........".According to Judaism there is no original sin and nothing to be saved from. A common prayer...
by PhoenixV 23 months ago
How Does A Christian Know If They Are Saved Or Not?
by Baileybear 7 years ago
how do believers think they would feel going to heaven without their unsaved loved ones - wouldn't it be upsetting?
by Emmanue Marosi 4 years ago
Christians all over the World claim that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, is the savior of the World and not just Christians. He died for the sins of Christians, atheists, pagans, Muslims, Jews, Buddhist, etc... An important argument we must note is that the teachings of the New Testament say that to go...
Copyright © 2018 HubPages Inc. and respective owners. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. HubPages® is a registered Service Mark of HubPages, Inc. HubPages and Hubbers (authors) may earn revenue on this page based on affiliate relationships and advertisements with partners including Amazon, Google, and others.
|HubPages Device ID||This is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.|
|Login||This is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.|
|HubPages Traffic Pixel||This is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.|
|Remarketing Pixels||We may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.|
|Conversion Tracking Pixels||We may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.|