If someone says that you will surely die, are you thinking that it will be in 900 years?
Or would you take that is somewhat immediate, like shortly, presently, in the immediate future, or even in seconds.
I guess it depends on how they say it. If I am in an argument and someone says that, it would be a threat. If you are talking about something meaningful or a tragic even and someone says, 'hey we will all die one day' or 'You will die too', that's not necessarily a threat, just stating the imminent.
I assume you're asking this in regards to Genesis where God tells Adam and Eve they will die if they eat of the fruit.
Not only does this appear to not be the case but later on, after they have eaten the Fruit, God worries that they will be able to eat from the other tree, the Tree of Life, and live forever. If there was no death before the "Fall" as some Christians claim, how does it make any sense for God to be worried about this tree that grants immortality? They were already immortal, if certain Christians are to be believed, why even have this tree of life at all?
Genesis appears, at least in part, to borrow from older Sumerian mythologies where the deities weren't in line with the all powerful, all knowing all loving God that modern theologians argue for. Instead God has changed over time, from this God in Genesis who lies to Adam and Eve and then overreacts about everything (including mass genocide of every human being, plant and animal except Noah and his family and the animals on the Ark) to the modern concept of God today which is almost totally removed from the God of the Bible.
So to answer your question no, I would expect to live for nine centuries after someone told me I would surely die if I ate a piece of fruit.
I agree, and it sounds more like a promise than a threat. In general, the logic should be applied to any powerful figure that would single you out.
BTW, where was the knowledge in that tree?
Presumably the fruit of the tree had the power to open their eyes to good and evil, so in the end the serpent told them the truth while God appears to have lied. Then God kicks them out so that they don't gain immortality and truly become as gods.
As I recall the story didn't mention the tree doing anything, and the apple or its fruit didn't really kill them or give them knowledge.
After eating the fruit they are immediately aware of good and evil, they become embarrassed by their nakedness and suddenly aware that disobeying God to eat the fruit was wrong so they hide from him.
Too late, knowledge is needed before, and that is what a good parent does for their children. They also don't knowingly put dangers in their home. And being naked is embarrassing, then we should be born with a tux.
I agree. It doesn't make much sense for God to be so angry that he curses them not only to carry the sin nature but also he corrupts the previously "perfect" creation when they were ignorant of good and evil.
Not necessarily. And just to clarify, it was the serpent who said "Ye shall not surely die." According to the story in Genesis, God, said "You will die if you eat of the fruit." Splitting hairs, but still....
As an aside, the story represents the time in which man had become more civilized, as opposed to merely instinctual like his primitive brothers. The Tree of Knowledge gave man an awareness of his more base desires and sensual pleasures. Prior to partaking, he was immortal. It's a complex story, some of which is written as allegory.
Brad – You have amended this question—thank you for that. But you have also deleted the reply of a fellow hubber. He came down on you pretty hard because your original question was quite offensive.
I am trying to understand why you continue to pose these types of questions. At first I thought you were truly trying to reach an understanding of the Bible. But the tone and content of your queries is increasingly confrontational and antagonistic.
Why all of the anger? If you are a non-believer, that is your choice. I do not and will not criticize you for your belief, or lack of belief. But I do take offense at the continuous slap-in-the-face that you bring to Christians. Why can’t you just stop being so nasty! It serves no purpose. If you want to initiate a dialogue about the Bible you can do so without all of the bile and sarcasm.
The way I see it Brad's questions come right from hell out of the mouth of satan.
I can't speak for Brad but perhaps he is trying to point out the fact that the Bible doesn't make much sense, in his estimation. Starting with the very first book of the Bible.
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