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qwarkposted 15 years ago
Since there is NO scripture in any monotheistic writing that factually defines this god thing, why are so many convinced "it" is real?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You leave out the Bible.
  There, He is defined quite vividly and quite well.
  He is Love; He is Spirit; He is Truth; He is Alpha, Omega, the First and the Last; He is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; He is Jealous; He is Everlasting; He is......
  
  He just IS.
  He is the great I Am.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda:
  Thank you for responding.
  All of what you have offered is but opinion.
  The bible is a monotheistic writing. I did not leave it out.
  There is no definition of the biblical god that factually defines it in biblical scripture in terms other than opinion.
  I appreciate you.
  Qwark
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  tobey100posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and then He smote them with his mighty hand. Do ya feel smote yet?
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  tobey-
  define smote.
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  tobey100posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I believe it's an ancient Hebrew roughly meaning "Don't make me come down there"
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So who is coming down where? And how would I feel it?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  down there ! to the 'intellectuality' of some people posting here!
  
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  haha ok I see tantrum that you have a very literal sense of humor and I accept.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  in all actuality my reality is created from my intellectuality, no fatality a divine mentality and vitally still standing mightily keeping my dignity standing on the side of me, rightfully making my mark in society, I'm highly creative your slyly debated, apparently we were born to be hated, but we're all related, literally brothers and sisters considerably, so understand every syllable given from me!!!
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, the truth is reality exists outside what you think. It exists free of independent thoughts, desires, will, or wishes.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  more so, after reading your profile
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who is "He" that you describe?
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  tobey100posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You know....HIM
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  HIM? Is that suppose to give me any more understanding to the question I posed for you. Who is He? or HIM as you suggest?
  
  Do you have a name for this individual?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's an acronym
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  tobey100posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If I remember from my childhood his name is Gladly and I believe he was a crosseyed bear. You know from the old church song, "Gladly the Cross I'd Bear"
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Harold Be Thy Name
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  tobey100posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do believe AS and I are losing control. For the time being I'll be "Hiding Beneath His Wing".
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Look quack its time to catch up on your reading. Start with "The Ten Commandments".
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  Don Wposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi qwark,
  
  What do you mean by factually? Scientific fact? Philosphical fact? Historical fact?
  
  What do you mean real? Has a physical existence? Is a confirmation of truth? Is genuine, i.e. not fake or artificial?
  
  Define your terms.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don:
  simply put "reality."...not imagined.
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  Don Wposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ok.
  
  And fact? Define your particular usage of fact. Scientific, philosphical, historical ?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Holy Bhagwat Gita, Holy Vedas, Holy Ramayana. Holy Guru Granth Sahib, Holy Bible, Holy Quran all describe god as the Light.An ommipresent, omnipotent and omniscient entity which is mans true or inner self.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mohit:
  Are you providing this info as what you think is considered to be a "factual" definition of this god thing?
  "light?" is the definition of god? Obviously,that can't be accepted as being anything but "opinion." Why did you even offer it?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ar you asking for physical proof of this divine light?
  
  It is something spiritual and not material.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mohit:
  My question is clear and perfectly presented in English. is English your native language? If it is, respectfully, you need more education. If it is not I apologize and will try to clarify it for you...whew.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have answered, sorry I am not getting your point.I write in English, a religious philosopher professionally so lets leave that aside.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I must admit, Mohit, I'm with you on this. Most people (including most people in the East) know next-to-nothing of Buddhist, Hindu, and Taoist writings.
  
  Anyone would swear the only conception of God comes out of the Middle-East (Muslim, Jewish, and Christian).
  
  But this is not true at all.
  
  In fact the religions coming out of India (well, Hinduism, and Buddhism, specifically) contain theology that makes quite a lot of sense (I am not talking about all the myths and fables, gods with elephant heads, etc. I guess I mean Buddhism in particular... and Tao too).
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Happy you see have taken the effort to search for truth with an open mind.
  Knowledge is liberation is true in different aspects .
  
  The animals are symbolic the elephant represents enormous strength and intelligence.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mmm, yes, but I am not sure how symbolically millions of Hindus take these things. The same could be said of the Gospels. There is for example a movement to see the Easter Story as symbolic, and very interesting it is too, but clearly many people on here would not accept this as valid "truth."
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  danielthorneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it is written in the bible that "God is a Spirit" don't believe me look it up and I think whe all know what a spirit...or ghost is...a non physical entity...
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  danielthorneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You just can't see it can you....
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Am I missing something ?
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  Amoniclesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God?
  
  There are no scriptures or anything else that can define what GOd is. We do not possess the ability to observe God as being something seperate from everything. We can observe enough of existence to hold a firm belief in the intent, design and desire for life that is the universe. The intent exists, the design exists and certainly the desire for life exists. The nature of these things is what is unattainable for us. The Bible and any text are subject to individual interpretation and are only meaningful as such. Whether it's Christianity or any other belief system. An individuals interpretation of there own place in existence is just that, it's there own. We will all believe what we choose to believe, and in each belief system there are tools to help you through life. What someone else believes God to be will never be what anyone else believes GOd to be, your life, and what you believe are for you alone.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Amonicles:
  Yes?
  Now pls relate that to my question...ty ..
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  Amoniclesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are no scriptures, no sermons, no anything that can define or describe "what" God is. There is NO definition for God that can be corroborated.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are an awful lot that try, however. Who can really know... and why does it matter anyway (just my view, y'know)
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Amonicles:
  Then why believe whatever "it" is "exists" or is a "reality?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because He isn't.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  why do you call God a man?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  where did I do that ?
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because HE isn't. You referred to God as a He, did you not?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God masculine
  Goddess: Feminine
  
  If someone is talking about God, I assume they're talking of a masculine deity.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God is a rutabaga ... (this is not as far fetched as it sounds... I've never been able to really figure out what one of those things is either. Sort of like an eternal mystery...)
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i see. just words.
  
  well i would apologize for not having a better word to describe what i think God means, but generally, I think of God outside of things like gender or type. I tend to think it encompasses all parts of our universe, so that is why i asked.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think of God at all.
  For me it doesn't exist.
  so I can't care less if for someone is 'he', 'she' or 'it'
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i see. when did you come to this conclusion? what convinced you there is no God?
  
  did you at one time think there was?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i was born in a christian home. so yes, I believed when I was a child.
  then I found out I had a brain.
  i've bee using it ever since.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  how did you find out?
  
  you didn't have a brain before that? how old were you?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you're kidding, right?
  or maybe you don't have anything to do ?
  
  How did you find out you had a brain? or maybe you haven't found that yet ?
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  sorry i offended you. I was asking genuine questions, I wasn't trying to insult you, but you seem intent on being offended.
  
  how did you find out: [what did you go through that made you stop believing in God]?
  
  you didn't have a brain before that: [why would you say that about yourself]?
  
  how old were you? [what age were you when you discovered there was no God].
  
  that is what i meant.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Why people so easily assume one is offended.
  How can I be offended?
  I found your questions funny. That's all.
  
  You want to know when I stopped believing in god ?
  i don't remember at what age exactly. when I was aware of my brain and my mind.
  It's not relevant.
  what is relevant for me, is what I'm now.
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  Amoniclesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  People think God is "real" because of the evidence of intent when we observe our existence. The evident design in the systems that allow us to be, is hard evidence that whatever you want to call this, it's on purpose. People are compelled to a firm belief system. Having a "God", allows the process of life without the annoying unanswerable questions. However you label your interpretation for the understanding that we and the universe are intentional by design, the belief of a created existence is hard to deny as long as you don't claim to know how it was created.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And don't vote accordingly
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Amonicles:
  What is this god thing you speak of as if you "know" (have direct cognition of,) it.
  No opinion or conjecture pls....ty ..:-)
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  Amoniclesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I define God as being that which is "responsible" ( though I don't claim to know how) for existence, all that is known, unknown, real and imagined. God is not something one person can "explain" to another. What I mean when I say "God" will never mean the same thing as anyone elses meaning of the word. I feel you are looking for something that isn't anywhere close to where you are searching. Good luck.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  good work on this one.
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  freedom2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hey at some point there was something that made the things we all see and feel as we call earth but it is just one reality we live in and conscious of etc .. god well we are all gods in our mini universe's we create life and how we like it to be thought of the mind and then becomes manifestation in other words where attention goes magic flows simple !!!! ;0)
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  Eng.Mposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  every cause has a causer
  though you need faith to believe in God
  this is the way he wanted to be
  his world , his rules
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  his game.
  
  I pass!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I pass. Gullibility score required is 10 out of 10.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  sure you do. Just not in the same religion.
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  topgunjagerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  because people are basically stupid and would believe anything they are told=)
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  aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, you're back!
  This is a profound statement you know!
  I know you meant it (sort of) against believers, but it's actually true BOTH ways.
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  SquigglesMcBeeBeeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  because he leaveses lots of carrots and spinaches for good little bunnies, dat's why.
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repstrydieflyposted 15 years ago
Since I am assuming you are talking about Christianity then:
"the kingdom of God is WITHIN" Jesus Christ.

He was meaning that God is inside everybody. God is an ultimate consciousness and right brain thinking. It comprises of intuition, wisdom, third eye, seeing the bigger picture, knowing your SELF and highest potential of the SELF.

Religion claims you need to look outside of yourself to find God which is false, that's why most people who are religious are often confused about who THEY are, and it stunts their spiritual growth, so to speak. If they don't find out the truth then their intelligence and wisdom will remain the same age as it was when they started following this religion....
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How about reading that verse in context, buddy.
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  kessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am keen on hearing what you think it means truth.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  repstrydiefly:
  Before I can respond to what you offer as being "truth," you must provide me with a factual definition of this "god" thing you mention. If you can't do that, I can only assume that you are not a credible "hubber" ref. the subject. It would seem, to me at least, that you are a highly imaginative and easily led "believer." You have lots of company.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I never claimed it to be true, I was assuming that you took it to be true, because you didn't respond. Either that or, as you said, I don't deserve a conversation on these forums. It was simply an opinion and something that I have found throughout my seeking. Obviously it's not something that you find in a book or anything of that nature. Spirituality IS God. It's as simple as that. Every religion either worships a Sun God, which is false, or the Spirituality of the self, which is what we need. Think about it God+an extra O=GOOD, Devil-D=EVIL. Your either good or evil. That's what the war has been since the beginning of mankind. Heaven=bliss, Hell=eternity in lake of fire (SUN), Sun of God. Research and actually seek yourself before denying my opinion on what is true. Sometimes you need to realize something in the SELF, before it will make sense, and not just words in a book. I have awakened my God knowledge and wisdom, and I hope you do the same...
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  repstrydiefly:
  I repeat, you must factually define this god thing you mention before I can consider "it" and respond knowledgeably. At this point in the forum, I can only presume that you can't and are tapdancing. I will not respond to any more comments by you unless you can provide a factual definition of this god thing.
  May the "force" be with you. :-)
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't believe what people have told me all of my life. I don't follow any organized beliefs or religion. I have found what I found and to me it is true, but to you it may be an opinion, and I change my mind a lot when it comes to this subject. You haven't proved me wrong, so it is what I still find to be the truth...
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  double_frickposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  BL Tweenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Try the experiment and find out for yourself.
  
  BL
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  BL:
  Experiment?
  What experiment?
  Clarify that for me...ok? ty :-)
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  BL Tweenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The God is Real experiment -
  click on my photo it will take you there.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  BL:
  The God?
  You have to define this god thing for me b4 I can consider it.
  I've studied your bible. Is the biblical god thing what you have ref to?
  There is no scripture that "factually" defines this biblical god thing, so if you can't do that for me I guess our "hubbing" is finished...:-)
  Thanks for responding tho..:-)
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kessposted 15 years ago
Quark your response to Brenda tells me there are no response that could satisfy you, for according to you one man's truth is merely anothers man's opinion.

So therefore all definitions are merely opinions.

Here is the complete monotheistic definition, - I am that I am.

Only God's children would understand.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Perfectly noted and true.
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  Crash Jonesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not "a child" of god, but I understand the meaning very well. The response to Moses's question, "I am who I am," is one of the best lines in world literature b/c it says so much so simply.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  crash:
  ...but it says nothing meaningful to anyone but those who imagine there to be a supernatural divinity.
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  Crash Jonesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm an atheist and it speaks to me ... so please, as you make fumbling attempts to grasp logic, don't presume to know what is meaningful to others.
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  kessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You may indeed understand it very well Crash, but still your understanding is incomplete, for if it was not then you would not be an Atheist.
  
  The first one who said "I am", is the one who came from nothing and became all things.
  
  Since this statement is seemingly illogical, Atheist use it as the foundation of their faith or lack thereof.
  
  But it can be easily and simply proven that this is the most logical of statement.
  This I will only share with others whom I perceive is able to receive it in private, for it is the way of the enemy to trample upon pearls.
  
  There is an even more simple logical truth which all men are aware of in their minds but easily ignored in their living,
  
  This truth is the foundation of all the knowledge of God.
  
  This truth is that only by goodness all things lives and exist perpetually. And truth ensure the purity of this Goodness.
  
  All those who believe this enough to live it, will know God. For God is this Goodness.
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i thought we were all "God's children".
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually Jesus was saying that the Pharisees were the sons of the Satan. He also said that even the demons believed in the son of God. So "just" believing in him wasn't really doing much.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jerami:
  Jesus never spoke or wrote a word of what you read in the NT. Every word of the NT is naught but heresay.
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qwarkposted 15 years ago
Sneak, Intimat and Kess:
Can ya provide me, any of you, with a definition of this god thing in any monotheistic scripture that factually defines it? If ya can't then, jeez, I can only think that you can offer opinions and conjecture....right?
Pls, any one, enlighten this seeker with facts...and I'll convert this moment..Ok? :-)
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for the wonderful opportunity to reply, but however I do not usually continue on with a one sided thread. I especially do not like confrontation about backdoor theories, and pothole filled opinions. Sorry, it seems to me, that there is really nothing to debate. Like was said earlier, nothing will please you here. It goes back to saying, "I am that I am."
  
  I feel,its all nothing but a big run around. I do like some of your topics, and hopefully we will have the opportunity to engage at a future date and time. Thanks again.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi intimat:
  I'm sorry, I read that but have no idea who it was intended for. Me?...
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. I'm using the new thread. Sorry about that. I switched over from Chronological order. I should have switched back, my bad.
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then don't worry Quark, for when you meet with God you will understand, until then you are obviously disadvantaged in that you cannot perceive that which is all around you to be anything other than a chance occurrence that just happened to be wonderfully and beautifully made.
  
  Personally I think it worth the effort to meet with God before you have to, but each to his or her own.
  
  I spent 41 years avoiding Him, but thankfully we got together and it's all turned out fine.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Aqua:
  Tell ya what, If you can provide scripture from any monotheistic writings that defines this god thing, you believe in, factually i.e really existing, I will seriously consider "it" and decide if I want to get involved. Fair?
  Go for it. :-)
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you know that doesn't exist.
  
  to define God is to limit one's understanding of it, no? If i found a scripture saying that God was a cheesecake, would you then start to praise the cheesecake and forget the rest of the world? i don't think you would.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No - to define god is to prove it does not exist.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wesley:
  Pls look up the definition of "factual."
  If your native language is not English I will apologize and consider that weakness in communication. :-)
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  wow. no opinions allowed.
  
  you don't need to be a jerk [i would use a better would if i wouldn't get banned] and talk to me like i'm some kind of idiot. civilized conversation is appreciated, buddy.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "disadvantaged"? "cannot perceive"?
  
  This sort of condescending statement is what causes friction, aquasilver. Have you read nothing I have written? You just stop by to leave a negative comment? Or are you just trying to start another fight?
  
  The last fight that you are preying for jesus to come back and fight for you instead of getting into the world and making it a better place, perhaps?
  
  Why do you prefer to cause friction and prey for a final conflict?
  
  Thank you for the constant validation.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i agree. personal judgments never win a debate.
  
  take your dogma elsewhere. Good job Mark.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The definition of god in the Bible is the being who created the universe that we're in, and everything in it. You might not believe that the universe was created (since, you know, random explosions often result in intricate universes), but that IS the definition of God found in the Bible. There are other names and symbolic ideas, as Brenda mentioned...these are in addition to the original definition.
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  Davidsonofjesieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  like the conjecture of science,and your big bang theory!!!the name says it all theory
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We already had this discussion about the word "theory" though it was more than two weeks ago... Anyway, why couldn't your version of events be labelled a "theory" -- there, I just did it
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  Davidsonofjesieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  sorry wasnt here 4 that
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My point, really, though, is that yours is just a theory too. You happen to believe it, which is fine... thank God for a free country. But it is just a theory. It is certainly not a fact on a par with say, gravity, or If I push you You will feel It
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The scientific theory works well enough for your dribble to make it to the internet. Believing in invisible fairies.... now that is another matter!
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  Davidsonofjesieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  your gods are fairies&the gods of lies and theorys that change from day to day!!!big bang ,evolution,global warming!!!talk about fairytails
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't do god.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How did global warming get roped in there.. I know (some, not all) Christians don't like the Big Bang and Evolution, but global warming???? What has that got to do with the Bible...
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  fatfistposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  (global warming???? What has that got to do with the Bible)
  
  Plenty!
  
  1) Their theory is that this reality is temporary, it's just a test from god to see if we are fit for the afterlife in heaven.
  
  2) Judgement day is coming soon (maybe 2012) and Jesus will sweep up the worthy ones into heaven.
  
  3) Only the worldly folk will remain on Earth. They will have micro-chips implanted in them and 666 on their foreheads so the devil can catalogue them, and put hot pokers in their orifices.
  
  To make a long story short....who cares about the Earth or the environment when we are all in heaven singing songs of glory to our lord
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fat:
  Amen!!! and HALLELUJAAA!!!!!! :-)
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well that clears up why your religious morals suck...... and you believe this rubbish. Say what you will, you can but say what you are! You do not worry because it is all ending? And that's a good thing? Do you spot something wrong here?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  I loved it !
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Ken R. Abellposted 15 years ago
>>>Since there is NO scripture in any monotheistic writing that factually defines this god thing, why are so many convinced "it" is real?<<<

Quark - Above is from your opening post for this thread. Then, in answering Brenda, you wrote: "The bible is a monotheistic writing."

So, according to you, there is "NO scripture in any monotheistic writing"...BUT the "bible is a monotheistic writing."

Not at all sure where you are going or what you are getting at, but am inclined to agree with kess.

And for the record, since by your own words, the "bible is a monotheistic writing" the answer to your question is in the opening verse of its first book: "In the beginning God created..."

One can choose to dismiss the Bible, but God's existence is not dependant on human acceptance or belief.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Ken:
  "in the beginning, god..." Words Moses alledgedly wrote. You are offering those words as a factual definition of what this god thing is? How can that be. Those words "define" nothing!?
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  Ken R. Abellposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They define plenty, Quark. In the beginning, God is & everything else follows. Accept it or do not accept it. Denigrate it if you wish.
  
  But, I echo IntimatEvolution. I will not engage in a debate that is set up to be confrontational since no answer I provide will be deemed as acceptable to your quest for a "factual" definition of "this god thing".
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ken:
  What makes you feel that I would stoop to debating that which has no foundation upon which to make an argument? Debate includes argument. To win an argument one must produce fact/proofs...they don't exist in ref to this god subject. To debate the subject "god" would be the act of a fool..
  I am saying that just because this god thing is mentioned in a very corrupted writing with the name "bible," it can't be used as a factual definition. ok?
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  Ken R. Abellposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Quark - We would have a difficult time having a coherant discussion in a forum such as this because we are coming at the topic from polar opposite positions.
  
  You say the Bible is "a very corrupted writing". Before we go any farther, I'd ask for documentation for this statement. You might point me to books or articles to support your view that'd require me to either look at them seriously or dismiss them.
  
  Then, you'd ask me for documentation for my view of the Bible as an infinite book given by an infinite God, & I would point you to weighty & scholarly tomes that would require you to choose to look at them seriously or dismiss them.
  
  So, if we do that, then a month from now, after we have both studied each other's documentation, we might have some common ground to proceed with a discussion/debate, but do either of us have the time or inclination to pursue that course?
  
  Since we just met each other on this thread & presumably your life is as full as mine, I kind of doubt it.
  
  I wish you well in your pursuit as a seeker. And face to face over a coffee we'd likely hammer out some common ground to stand on, but in this forum, with others jumping in with their thoughts, it'd likely be close to impossible.
  
  Thanks for this short & interesting dialog.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ken:
  Quite correct.
  I would suggest tho that you go back and study the various codex's, the vulgate, the writings of erasmus during the dark ages, the story of the king James version, and all the various languages that the OT has been interpreted from and to. it has been corrupted in too many ways and manners to describe in this short forum piece. I'd also suggest that you go back to about 500 AD and study the influence the roman catholic church had upon religious belief during the "Dark Ages" and study the influence of the 21 ecumenical councils on what you consider to be the word of god. Is that a good starting place?
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll assume that you take my answer to be true, because you didn't respond to it. Is that right?
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  Don Wposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Don't know how you arrived at that misinterpretation. Clearly the sentence qwark wrote was ". . . there is NO scripture in any monotheistic writing that factually defines [god] . . ."
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AEvansposted 15 years ago
Here we go!
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
the need to believe in something that will ease their fears which are man created.
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
God said that "I AM" He is so many things that no one can see or understand ALL that he is.
Like looking at a mountain from where we stand. It takes effort to see all that there is to see from our own door step.
The other side of the mountain may have have grand waterfalls while I see only snow.
Who is correct when describing what they see?
And when two people are looking at the mountain from the same location, one may not see something that the other doesn't.When that happens you can draw attention to it, for the others benefitt.

And some people can see nothing no matter how long we point at it.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
The Truth always hurts.- God.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
I'd rather be sleeping than awakened by your God.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your God is unique to my God, because you have a different mind, body, and soul than me. So I am glad that you don't want to be awakened by MY God, because that would mean that you are trying to be me... Live life to YOUR own potential.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
I don't have a God, thanks.
I'm doing quite well by myself.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  exactly YOURSELF is YOUR God, you obviously didn't take the time to read what I have posted...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  EXACTLY ! you don't understand I don't believe in any God!
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am a God, YOU are a God, Michael Jackson is a God, We're all GODS
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  kukoo kujoob
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ???
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What's your reason to no believ in yourself??
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  not believe*
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  HubPage Gods no less!
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did you think about what I said before replying with a laugh...
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
I believe in myself. In fact, I only believe in myself.
I'm not a God !!!
And you aren't either.
If you were, you wouldn't be in a forum posting!
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it's what MY god does is think and spread knowledge, that's why I am here...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  if you say so !
  
  ((((( ))))))
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  what do YOU do? Obviously the same thing since you are here responding...
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You need to specify who it is you're responding to
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  adsensestrategies- is this better
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then I don't understand what you wrote
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  adsensestrategies-
  you don't understand what I wrote where?
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "The kingdom of God is within,"Jesus Christ
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't believe in JC either
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You don't believe he was a man living on Earth that walked around and taught things to people? Or you don't believe that he was sucked into the air and will come back 2000 years later(I don't believe that)?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He was a man and no Christ.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  tantrum-
  what do you mean he was no "Christ". That indeed is his last name, unless there is a deeper meaning to the word "Christ" that I don't know about? All I know is that he taught many positive things about spirituality to just be forgotten about...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you're kidding ,right?
  His last name !!!
  
  Of course that's not his last name !
  christ < jistros, Greek word for anointed.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  tantrum-ok well we learn something new everyday. I don't think any question is a dumb question as we learn everyday. Thanks for enlightening me on that. I am not a Christian but still what does last name have to do with teachings? and what is so wrong with "anointed"?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We all are searching for our ultimate consciousness every day we live our life. Jesus just knew how to get there very well. His teachings are wonderful if you gave them the time and the chance. What is the reason why you don't even have the urge to seek? What or who made you believe that there is no spirituality or consciousness?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  who said there's no spirituality ?
  I'm spiritual in another kind of way. I don't need a God.
  You have everything mixed up!
  And who said I don't seek ??
  For what I see, I seek in places you haven't been.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  tantrum-
  ok now we're talking. I believe every individual's spirit or soul is their own god, for they hold their own spiritual potential. I may think of it in a different way than you but it's still all the same. What do you mean "another kind of way"? What places do you seek that I don't? Please elaborate because I am interested.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  a Christ is a religious figure for the Son of God.
  I don't believe Jesus was the son of God.
  
  Anyway...
  Are you kidding me ?
  
  I wonder....
  are you serious ??
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Bard of Elyposted 15 years ago
I am convinced due to the totally mind-blowing intricacy and wonder of it all! How everything is perfectly designed to function and how it all interacts and can relate to other parts and other life forms in the jigsaw of life - it is simply far too amazing to be accidental! How life itself is everywhere and how life is able to sense and create and reproduce itself. For there not to be a creator or creators behind all this makes very little sense to my way of thinking!
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I've just been reading about the Rwandan genocide, so...
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skyfireposted 15 years ago
Why there is always topic on god ? Is god jobless in this recession ?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God needs traffic all the time !
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
god?

This would lead one to understand - God? is in question.

God is a man-made concept, developed from a lack of knowledge.
God is a control concept, meant to give people direction in life.
God is a manipulation concept, meant to prevent chaos.

The God concept is responsible for the dishonesty and plight of many peoples' lives.

The God concept isn't any more real than that of Santa Clause.
The God concept is an imaginary system of control, by getting people to freely manipulate themselves into believing God has the answers for their life.

Unfortunately, this couldn't be further from the truth. The TRUTH of the matter is - You and You alone can control and/or guide your own life. There is not to be any higher authority over your life, ever.

Enjoy and Have a great day!
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  zampanoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I really don't know what we'do without you...
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cagsil-
  That's what I have been trying to explain all along. That there is no God outside the self but every individual holds their own "God potentials" which means they can believe in theirselves and do whatever they want to do in this life..
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cagsil:
  clearly, concisely and honestly written!
  We are here by chance.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
I was with you until you called out Santa! Take it back!
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, Santa is a imaginary idea too.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have no proof.
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skyfireposted 15 years ago
There is soul ? Hmm, yeah sure and i'm gonna be shinigami after i die.
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Lita C. Malicdemposted 15 years ago
I feel a lot better telling myself there is God who watches over me, hence, I conduct myself in a way pleasing to Him. That way I seldom run in tangle with another. This makes me a better person believing in God rather than believing that no one is in control of me at all.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lita c.-
  please tell me why you would Want to be controlled? You live your own life and don't let anything or anyone control you. Follow YOUR dreams and goals...
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Lita, I know you've read some of my writing and I understand that you have your belief structure. But, let me ask you just a one of questions....
  
  (1) When you make a decision to do something - Who makes that choice? It is You or Someone else?
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
I prefer to let the Shepherd do my guiding.
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skyfireposted 15 years ago
Santa makes choice. Santa is loving merciful and all knowing.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All Hail Santa.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  prettydarkhorseposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey CAGS< youre back GOOD,
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I never left
  
  How are you today PDH?
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  prettydarkhorseposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  good, we miss you CAGS, Happy New Year,
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Happy New Year!
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Yes, now we can see how the Rational Thought Movement has progressed.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Denno, i like your outfit, thats expensive and youre too cute, Can I adopt this one too, hmm include the two sheeps
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely! I'll send them your way, virtually, anyhoo.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  before valentines day oki..doki
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okie Day.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
or Dog?
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
By chance huh? This can be proved? Or disproved, for that matter? Oh, wait, that's a question that can't be answered like this one.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This can be proved.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  By your thought processes, perhaps. But don't lump everyone into that mindset.
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Sa Toyaposted 15 years ago
It's pure faith/belief for me that God is real.
It gives me peace of mind.
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Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago
all this talk of god...

The proof of his existence is in this:

1. Fact: Believers believe he exists.
2. Fact: Non-believers can't stop saying He doesn't exist and can't stop talking about it and challenging it.

If something doesn't exist, or never did, no one would even consider talking about it.

Cheers.
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  Crash Jonesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sweet! Conspiracy theory logic!!!
  
  I wholly subscribe to this line of thinking.
  
  Guess I'm an unbelieving-believing unbeliever.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  jeje! UN-BELIEV-ABLE.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Change the word 'god' to leprechauns or unicorns and is just as relevant.
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advisor4qbposted 15 years ago
I'm thinking that this is one of those forum questions where everyone is going to argue and have hurt feelings, and no one is going to just live and let live. So I plan to post this comment and then move about my merry way, without referring back to see who got offended, as without a doubt, there is always at least one person who disagrees with anything (if not everything) being said.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. All the roads lead up the mountain. Whether you give the credit to "the Source of all Energy," "Buddha," "God," or WHATEVER, I am convinced it is all the same thing. (My pastor disagrees).

My opinion thus far (seeing as how we are all expressing ourselves openly here....)is that as long as you live in a loving way toward every living thing, you can't go wrong. Let your emotions be your inner guidance and if your conscience feels right, you are heading in the right direction.

If it helps you to believe in a "God," then do so. I do. No one should judge another person based on their belief system. Those of us who believe in the Lord know that it is not our place to place judgment on others.
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
The reality is that there as many diffrent realities on this planet as there are individuals. Many people's reality is joblessness, more has a reality of hunger, and some people have a reality of sitting in their hot tub drinking their PIN colada waiting for the maid to say that dinner is ready.
If we were living under a bridge with a family of five we would look at philosophy a little diffrently.
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qwarkposted 15 years ago
It's difficult for me to read some of the responses to my original question.
It's hard for me to believe that responders have no idea what the term "monotheism" refers to.
I could have said there is no definition in the bible, qur'an, torah or the new testament that factually defines this god thing.
Lets just go with that then, keep it simple, and see what kind of responses I get.
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  Arthur Fontesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You forgot the Bagvadad Gita it tries to define a god.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Arthur:
  There is no definition in any monotheistic scripture that factually defines this god thing.
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  Arthur Fontesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is not monotheistic either.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Arthur:
  lol...did i say it was?...NOT! :-)
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Arthur Fontesposted 15 years ago
I do not know if you have explored eastern philosophies. If you have not it might give you a different perspective to some of the questions you have raised.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Arthur:
  Why do you think studying eastern philosophies is relative to my question?
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  qwark-
  There will be no "proof" that YOU in particular will be able to soak in unless you open your mind. That being said, there is also no "proof" that any individual could provide that there is not a "God". Never opening your mind to people's opinions is a negative way to seek the truth as YOU will only believe thoughts that YOUR mind manifests. Have you read the whole Bible, Koran, or any other book of religious philosophy that explain a God figure of any sort? If not then I suggest you do so to get your research, but the only way it can be done is with an ultimately OPEN MIND... Be ready to be proven wrong, just as you should wherever you go, because you as a human do not know everything about life... I explained my opinion of the God thing straight from wisdom in a way I thought you would understand but you just "turned the other cheek" to my answer and didn't even question it...You need to ask further questions after the first one that you asked (which nobody seems to be able to satisfy with a response you want), to find out further information on this topic... Your only hitting the "surface" of everybody's responses but apparently refuse to "dig deeper"
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You can't prove he's wrong, being so wrong yourself.
  
  Or is this post the truth about God ?
  You're hitting the surface of everyone else's mind.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  tantrum-
  I never said anybody was "wrong". I just stated that he will never find anything out being close-minded. That's all I was intending. Is it ever "wrong" to give advice to another intellectual? I hope not but I know that I always keep an open mind...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I still think you're hitting the surface of everyone else's minds.
  how can you say he needs advice? just because he has another way of viewing things ?
  
  If you're an intellectual, you should accept different thought with an open mind.
  where's your open mind?
  I can't see it
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  tantrum-
  my open mind is reading everybody's responses and understanding what they have to say. that is something that qwark has apparently failed to do, which is obvious because he asked the question in the first place...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  maybe you haven't realise questions are asked, even if you know the answer, just to learn from other points of view?
  
  I love your intellectuality!
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol who said I "know" the answer. I simply gave my opinion on a "god" thing, and I understand what everybody else is saying no matter what religion, believers or non-believers (since they are all religions). That is considered an open mind. It is not bashing on somebody for believing differently without providing proof they are wrong. The only way to change somebody's mind is to prove them wrong, right? So I guess my question is, can you prove to me whether or not there is a "god" being, spirit, entity, or whatever you want to call it? No!! nobody can prove it's existence in the material and physical sense just like nobody can prove it doesn't exist. So that being the case, unless you keep an open mind to what EVERYBODY has to say, you will just be trapped in your own way of thinking, which made this question completely pointless to be asked in the first place...
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  REps:
  I'm sorry, I can't respond to that intellectually. You mention this god thing and I don't know what it is. Once you and I can agree that there is a god thing to consider, by definition, I will be more than happy to "chat" with you about it. Until that can be provided it would be an act of futility to discuss it..ok?
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  reps:
  Pls provide a definition of this god thing that factually defines it ...once we have that and I can consider "it" as a reality, then we can "hub" about "it's" potential powers and influence..is that fair?:-)
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  qwark-
  see the same question, and you are still hitting the surface...
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The only problem here is you are attacking the solution to the answer, by first acknowledging the existence of a high entity or whatever you want to call it. You are talking about it, as if it is true, already.
  
  This isn't to be the case in life. We don't assume there is a higher power, when it cannot be proven. You, as a human being, are not to form a believe on something unproven or not of truth.
  
  The biggest problem is people continue to talk about the "GOD" concept, as though it's real. When they have no proof, even to provide themselves, that it truly exists.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  cagsil-
  So you don't believe in a right hemisphere of the brain?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I understand it quite well. But, thank you for asking.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Reps:
  My goodness! How in the world did you get the idea I was looking for proof/s of anything?
  That was a very long harangue which had nothing to do with my question.
  Now relax, take a deep breath and go back, revue the question and see if you can respond with a logical well thought out and presented response...Ok?
  Good man!
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  qwark-
  it is spelled "review" not "revue"
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Is that so important to you ?
  wow !!
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  tantrum-
  it is not so much important to me as it is just enlightening a fellow intellectual on the correct spelling of a word. It has nothing to do with pleasure. I know if I misspelled a word, it would be spectacular for somebody to correct me..
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Reps:
  phonetics is faster and the connotation is not lost...picky picky picky...lol :-)
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  Arthur Fontesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thousands of years ago people tried their best to understand their surroundings. I just think that any recorded knowledge should be examined if you are continue to pose the same questions. You do not have to believe but you just cannot dismiss that there might be beneficial knowledge contained in the Tomes of antiquity.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Arthur;
  What has that to do with my question?
  I can't visualize a connection.
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ahmadraza212posted 15 years ago
There is no god but ALLAH because It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess. It is interesting to notice that Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister language of Arabic.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is no better or worse or best name for god.Its as good as saying there is the best name of mother is so and so .
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have a rottweiler that's called Allah. He'll chew up anyone's backside who doesn't share his personal beliefs, too.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Besides which, it is a circular statement. Allah is the WORD for God, in a language other than English. Nothing else can be called table except for tables. Of course you could name your dog "table", but it doesn't mean it is a table
  
  So, this is not much of a theological argument: God's name is x, therefore y cannot be called x... I mean, I'd need a bit more meat than that, to be honest.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well spotted.
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marcel285posted 15 years ago
There are referances in the bible, regarding future predictions..The micro chip was predicted long before electricity was even invented, how would one be able to predict such things if they could not foresee the future?
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Where does the bible predict the micro-chip, and please show in the bible the word, "micro-chip"?
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  fatfistposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh Q, what are we ever going to do with you.
  It's all there in black and white. The letters which spell 'microchip' can be found thousands of times throughout the good book.
  You need to learn how to interpret the bible. I suggest you go to a fine pastor right away so he can point out the verses and explain their meanings to you
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Fat:
  "tongue-in-cheek"
  fotfl! loved that response!
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  fatfistposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey there, qwark. My response to (Q) is but another example of the type of responses you are getting to your "god question".
  
  I like the threads you've posted in the past few days. Your questions are truly showcasing the nothingness in the responses you've received.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fat:
  I am disgusted at the depth of the lack of info and understanding being exhibited in these forums..:-(
  But hey, weathers been bad last few days, what better way to entertain oneself than to "play" in the forums with a steaming hot cuppa hot coffee next to the PC? :-)
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  of course !
  when you play, people play with you.
  Thanks for the games! BTW
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Being honest is a good start.
  
  You mean, in the same way, 'unicorn, leprechaun and purple invisible dragon' are there, too?
  
  That would be his interpretation, while I could go to any one of the hundreds and hundreds of sects of the various believers and get their interpretations, too.
  
  What's the point of that other than to understand that even the believers don't agree with each other.
  
  Silly in the extreme, don't you think?
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marcel285posted 15 years ago
The PREDICTIONS contained in the bible pages are what make me have faith. Although, i'm not 100% devoted to god, i also consider the teachings of other 'idols'.
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repstrydieflyposted 15 years ago
qwark-
also I forgot to mention that you seem to have more of a close-minded attitude than most ignorant believers of any religion that I try to converse with, but it is possible to change that at any moment...
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Arthur Fontesposted 15 years ago
A young man wanted to learn the practice of Zen. He had read all the books he could find about Zen. Then he heard about a great Zen master who was considered very knowledgeable and wise. The young man requested and appointment with him to ask for teachings.

When they were seated, the young man proceeded to tell the master everything he had understood from his reading, saying that Zen is about this and Zen is about that, on and on... The master listened patiently to every thing the young man talked about.After some time, when the young man had finished his part of telling, the master suggested that they have tea.

The Zen master performed the traditional tea ceremony while the student sat at attention, bowing when served, saying nothing. The master began to pour tea into the student's cup. He poured until it was full, and kept pouring. The young man was watching with intent.

The tea ran over the edge of the cup and onto the table. The master kept pouring.

The young became restless.

The tea ran over the edge of the cup, on to the table and onto the floor. But the master kept pouring. It was too much for the young man.Finally, the student could not contain himself any longer. He shouted, "Stop! Stop pouring!"

The master stopped pouring and looked at young man but said nothing.

"The cup is full- no more will go in!" The young man said bowing.

"What shall be do to let more tea in?" the master asked.

"we need to empty the cup." The young man answered quickly.

The master kept the vessel aside. He motioned the young man to be seated and offered him the tea. As they drank tea the master said, "Just like this cup, your mind is full of your own opinions and preconceptions. How can you learn anything unless you first empty your cup?"
http://ezinearticles.com/?Keep-An-Open- … ;id=267259 A good story
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danielthorneposted 15 years ago
He told Moses that His name was, “I AM WHO I AM” (Exodus 3:14).
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I thought it was Popeye who said that?
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  danielthorneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Popeye said I Yam what I Yam...
  
  and...
  
  I likes me spinach...
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fact: Spirit aka God aka Intuition aka Allah aka Third Eye aka Higher Self aka The Sixth Sense aka Wisdom=Certain part of brain used for seeing things in different point-of-view that has nothing to do with physical or material reality, but ultimate bliss and knowledge and understanding of the world or a spiritual reality which manifests the physical reality that we can prove through simply our 5 normal senses. The right side of the brain, if accessed, allows each individual to experience this state, taking that individual out of the false material reality that we seem to know to a higher dimension and a deeper "knowing" of the universe and the answers to how it is created from our higher brain or quantum reality manifesting into the material reality.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you read the book "How to Know God" by Deepak Chopra, you will have a better understanding of what I just said.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  reps:
  rotfl!
  I ask for a logical, well reasoned response and you ,passionately, provide opinion and conjecture.
  I have judged you as not being a credible "hubber" ref. the subject of my question and will no longer respond to you.
  Thanks for trying..:-)
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danielthorneposted 15 years ago
He Is Invisible
We can know Him apart from our physical senses

Just about everybody knows that a spirit cannot be seen. We cannot even see a human spirit. The most intimate of friends cannot see each other’s spirit and none of us can see God. Paul called Him “the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15), and “the King eternal, immortal, invisible” (1 Timothy 1:17).

John assured us that “no man has seen God at any time” (John 1:18). Mortal men have seen visible manifestations which God used to reveal Himself to them and to communicate with them, as when God the Son took human form in a Bethlehem manger. But they have never seen Him fully in His spiritual being. There is no way they could. Spirits are invisible.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ever notice that the invisible and the non-existent are one and the same?
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  danielthorneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you can't see air...but that does not mean that it does not exist...
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you can see the air, it is there, full of particles and is called the "Atmosphere" primarily made up of nitrogen and oxygen. If it wasn't there, you'd be dead.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How would you answer this question to a child?
  
  "Why is the sky blue?"
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Q:
  Wait until the child is old enuf to understand..:-)
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danielthorneposted 15 years ago
Rather than spooking us out, that can be a very comforting truth. Because God is invisible, not only can we know Him, but we can know Him apart from our physical senses. We do not have to see Him or feel Him to know Him. We have spirits too, you see. God is spirit, but we have spirits housed within our physical bodies. And when our spirits are made alive toward God through the new birth, we have the capacity to commune with Him in our spirits, anytime, anywhere, and under any circumstances.
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danielthorneposted 15 years ago
Communion with God does not depend on external things because it takes place internally in the spiritual part of our being. That was the point of Jesus’ comment to the woman at the well. Since God is spirit we must worship Him in spirit. Worship is not primarily a matter of physical location, surroundings, form, ritual, liturgy, or ceremony. It is not a matter of creating a certain kind of mood or atmosphere. It is a matter of spirit. Worship is the response of our spirits to God’s revelation of Himself.
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danielthorneposted 15 years ago
is difficult for us to grasp this truth since our spirits live in physical bodies and our physical bodies inhabit a physical universe. Our occupation with the physical makes us try to put our relationship with God into that same realm. We want to be inspired to worship Him by lavish cathedrals, great art, pleasant sounds, lovely aromas, and beautifully worded liturgies. Our human natures cry out for religious symbols, images, and pictures to help us create a mood for worship. We think we have to be in a church building and follow certain prescribed procedures. God says, “You cannot reduce me to physical things that can be experienced with your senses. I dwell in the realm of spirit and that is where I want to meet with you.” Physical things may direct our attention to God, particularly things He has made. But we meet with Him in our spirits. We can enjoy Him riding to work in the car, pushing the vacuum cleaner through the living room, walking from one class to another, or anywhere else. We know Him and enjoy Him in the spiritual realm, apart from the physical senses.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
@ Daniel

Talking to oneself is a good exercise it seems
the question is: what for ?
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  danielthorneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  what for what?...
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danielthorneposted 15 years ago
It was at that point in the conversation that Jesus said something about God which had never been clearly stated before. The truth was apparent from what had been revealed in the Old Testament, but it had never been put into plain words. “God is spirit,” He declared, “and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth” (John 4:24).
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Daniel-
  Sorry to tell you but it has been stated long ago in this forum that the scriptures of the Bible are not a reference due to historical tampering and changing of the book.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And the fact that it is also man-made and useless.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  cags:
  Yep!
  History has shown it inspires man to act out like the murderous god thing that, according to "scripture" created us in "its" image. The writings of the bible has been the cause of human mutilation, death and destruction and it continues today!
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cagsil-
  You know just like a brain creates a work of poetry or a sculpture. Without a brain those creations wouldn't have been manifested. Without a brain the "god" thing would have never been thought of. All of this talk about religious writings and God and all that supernatural nonsense originated in somebody's brain and were CREATED into material writings, sculptures, or poetry.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This isn't the argument. The true argument is based on people making "GOD" appear as if it's real, when it's not. Then spreading the supposed message of "GOD", as though it's fact. When it's obviously not factual or truthful.
  
  I am of the understanding, that humankind wasn't always conscious beings. This means that many people never knew that they lived full healthy lives. They only realize their existence, on their death bed. Because, death forces consciousness, before ceasing to exist. If you walked around your entire life, lead by the right-side of your brain, you would be no better than the animals guided by nature.
  
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly, but that's why we need to create a balance of use between our right and left sides of our brains for if we only utilized the left-side then there would be no such thing as the beauty of art and things of that nature. If we only utilized the right hemisphere then we would be living in a fantasy land...
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And religion=hypnotization of the right side of the brain, of course, so for some people it will be nearly impossible to get them out of the fairy tale trance they are in. The brain could be a prison or a paradise, it's all on how you perceive it.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  qwark-
  do you have a deeper understanding of what I am trying to say now?
  
  cagsil-
  Thank you for keeping an open mind to my view on this subject for you seem to know what I am talking about.
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  Arthur Fontesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh no I am about to mention eastern philosiphy again!!
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Arthur-
  Why would you mention Eastern Philosophy? I have studied all their points of view and they all manifest from somebody's brain into their train of thought then onto paper or into their wisdom. It all goes back to the brain.
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  Arthur Fontesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly the mind.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  arthur-
  yes the mind.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's an underlying problem that needs to be addressed, before humankind moves on to the next evolutionary step.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cagsil-
  Yes but the average sheeple that are being mind-conrolled by TV and what not, will never be able to grasp the true concept behind religion and the reasoning behind symbolism and things of that nature without opening their mind.
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  repstrydieflyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cagsil-
  If you understood right-brain thinking then you would understand the response that I just posted about God being something manifested from the brain. An fictional idea, just like anything fictional that somebody thought of and put in a book.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I learned about the "right-side" part of our Two-Chamber brain. And, Yes, I get what you're saying. Unfortunately, "GOD" the pathetic concept is already believed by billions to be a realized, rationalize, figure.
  
  If people truly understood HOW the "GOD" concept came to be, then maybe they would be able to see the truth behind the hoax known as religion.
  
  It's a sad attempt, to understand life, to give up your free will, to an external authority, other than oneself. It clearly shows people refuse to be self-responsible or unwilling to accept their life for what it is, than what it is not. They are more with believing that life goes on, after they die, because it gives them comfort for living, even if it is false, they are still willing to follow, because they cannot rationalize any other answer.
  
  And, not everything I said, was directed toward you. It's important for you to know- I do agree with what you said, but I still think there is more too it.
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Arthur Fontesposted 15 years ago
Metallica – The Thing That Should Not Be ♫ http://blip.fm/~iu4u3
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Arthur Fontesposted 15 years ago
Thought is real. If someone thinks and has thoughts that God exists then in that persons mind it is true. The person genuinely has the thought. Whether or not is a reality will not change the thought process of the individual. Over time education of the masses might obviate these omnipotent thoughts. Until then no one has any authority to determine what another thinks.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. A person can have an individual thought, regardless of "how" it was generated, doesn't make it real. Thoughts are real, but not all thoughts are objective, unless gained thru introspection.
  
  The thought process can be skewed by outside influences, if one refuses to be self-responsible about their own thoughts. When a thought runs through your mind, that thought is instantly pondered to the point, maybe, of finding truth in the thought. Your individual conscience will be the guide.
  
  However, any form of creative thought, such as something outside of our objective reality is created by the right-side of the brain and must be translated and reasoned by the left-side, BEFORE it is become real or part of reality.
  
  Sanity, rationale and meaning are required to form a simple belief, which is formed by thoughts, emotions and action.
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wesleyacarterposted 15 years ago
I don't think it is a requirement of any branch of faith to prove to the common man, or unbeliever, of the existence of their deity. That connection can be made only be whole heartedly and genuinely dedicating yourself to learning the traditions of whatever branch of faith you have questions about.

You cannot understand a devout christian until you've been a devout christian.

You cannot understand a buddhist monk until you've spent some time in a buddhist monastery.

An atheist cannot be understood by a man who walks with God.

Abandon your grip on your own beliefs temporarily and you may learn of the existence, or proof, of another's God.

You might even, perhaps learn more about your own beliefs.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A requirement for the suspension of disbelief isn't a requirement to be a Christian, but merely to accept the invisible and undetectable as real.
  
  The same could be said, abandon your beliefs and release yourself from the slavery of religion and think for yourself, instead.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What do you mean by this? It's a little redundant and hard to understand.
  
  I think what you mean is, suspending your own beliefs isn't a requirement to being Christian but accepting the undetectable as real. In that case I would say that, it's not about suspending your own beliefs, but experiencing the Christian faith first hand. What a Christian would call God, is in fact very visible. It's all around us. I'm not Christian (anymore) but I understand that ethic as it relates to all belief systems.
  
  Well i wouldn't call religion slavery at all. I think that there are people who use religion to manipulate others, and so there are evil people in religion, but [i think] religion itself is nothing but ancestral tales to explain natural and supernatural phenomena. There are plenty of Christians, Buddhists, Muslims and Catholics who think for themselves. When one follows a religion, to be informed, one usually learns about other religions in order to understand the connection they have with others. It is only those that stay within the boundaries of their own religion that are slaves.
  
  I've seen many Christians pray at Buddhist monestaries. I've seen Muslims sharing debates with atheists. I pray commonly with Muslims, though I am not Muslim.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Where? Show me.
  
  Myths and superstitions, to be precise. The supernatural has never been shown to exist.
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  fatfistposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So the various religions are just hobbies, clubs, or social committees.
  
  I don't think it is a requirement of any hobby to prove to the common man, or unbeliever, of the existence of their passion to watch birds, climb mountains, collect stamps, worship coffee, etc.
  That connection can be made only be whole heartedly and genuinely dedicating yourself to learning the traditions of whatever hobby or committee you have questions about.
  
  Abandon your grip on your own passions temporarily and you may learn of the existence, or proof, of another's passion which contrasts yours!
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wesleyacarterposted 15 years ago
for fatfist:

No it's not that a religion is a hobby. I'm saying that following one religion but studying and engaging in others might leave one a little more informed about the one religion they follow.

for Q:

I'm just a man, I can't show you. I think you have to want to see it. For example, monotheistic religions generally state that God exists in all things. Your body, your mind, your home, your car, the clouds, life, air, breath, things; God IS all these things [is what i think is being posited]. Asking other men to show you God is useless. Only you can understand for your self what God is.

to qwark:

Belief itself makes it a reality to the believer. The reason people do this, i think is generally to cope with their existence, to find reason, to find comfort in eventuality. To bring order to chaos. What is real to you has little to do with what is real to me, i think.
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prettydarkhorseposted 15 years ago
i am just wondering at times, how about LOVE we feel it but it is there right, do we always need to have an experience or phenomenon so that we will believe in it?
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pretty:
  "Love" is just a word man has created to describe "attraction."
  Man has evolved as a conscious, social creature, along with that comes a desire to "stick together, for the survival of all.
  "Love is a many splendored thing." It also describes ones need for another in ref to procreation...it goes on and on.
  "Love" (attraction) is intrinsic and programmed into the human gene.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  sounds like a computer program.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wesley:
  Arent we an organic computer?
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  not really. i think computers are inorganic people. computers are built with limited capabilities of a human. memory, computation. and like humans, they are ripe with error.
  
  What makes us human is an inexplicable chaos and order unraveling inside. Not limited to such terms as computation. Even mathematics is a system of imagined measurement in order to understand the universe. There in lies God.
  
  proof of God is the need to understand him, which is the very basis of this topic, is it not?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No - this is merely proof of ourselves and the need to understand ourselves.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  in your opinion i suppose. I am not separate from God - a particle of the design - so understanding myself is understanding God and vice versa.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wesley;
  What are "inorganic people?"
  " ...proof of God is the need to understand him, which is the very basis of this topic, is it not?"
  No it is not.
  the "basis" of the topic is If this biblical god thing is not defined, factually, in scripture, what is it and why do so many accept "it" as being a reality.
  Now pls re-think and try again...ok ? Thanks :-)
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you are impossible to respect. why can't you just posit your opinion and leave it there? why do you need to be so hostile?
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wesley:
  Hostile?
  Me?
  Hardly.
  I am brutally honest in my questioning.
  If you can't handle the "heat" in the kitchen, you know where the door is.
  I ask "hard" questions and expect hard answers, Not attempts to insult. By the way, I cannot be insulted. I don't allow anyone to do that. if I did, it would because it would be my "will" to allow you to that.
  Try again without pugnacity..Thanks..:-)
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hard questions ???.....
  
  Where?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm still trying to find your 'hard' questions...
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  TAntrum:
  Extremely hard for some...:-)
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  are you saying some people are stupid enough to find easy questions hard ??
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tantrum:
  Gosh! Would i think that? :-)
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know.
  you look like an inorganic person !
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oh. so you're just an asshole. okay. noted.
  
  sorry, just being brutally honest.
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  Arthur Fontesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I Don't Believe In Love ♫ http://blip.fm/~iulah
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Don Wposted 15 years ago
qwark,

Would help if you defined your terms.

You've said your usage of "reality" is: not imaginary.

Your usage of factual is: ?

A scientific fact is not the same as a philosophical fact which relates to epistemology and ontology etc, which in turn is not the same as a historical fact which relates to reliability of sources and current consensus of historians, scholars etc.

What is your usage of factual?
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  DonW: I did that far back.
  Redundancy? Nope.
  If ya want my definition of "factual," scroll back and read my responses..:-)
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Don Wposted 15 years ago
I'll have a look. The new thread view is messing me up a bit.
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