Jesus is real. Jesus came to help us who are trapped in the world to transcend it. It's every persons destiny: To transcend, as Jesus did... and he came to show the way. Its right there in the Bible.
Could be mistaken, but I think there is independent verification that a man called "Jesus" walked the earth at about the right time. Enough that he was probably real.
Was he a god? There is, as far as I know, only a single record saying that. Only a small group of friends claiming to have actually seen his miracles, a group that had a built in bias and went on in their lives to use his legacy for their own purposes. Very questionable and insecure evidence, then, and limited to only one source that cannot be trusted.
A very honest assessment for an unbeliever.
What do you feel explains his notoriety? I think in general he would have been seen as a failed messiah. Died nailed to a cross. He was basically the first JW traveling door to door. History should have dismissed him, dont you think?
What explains that of Buddha? Mohammed? Joseph Smith? Hitler?
Martyrdom can go a long, long way, and some or most of his ideas are a useful guide for getting along with others. As presented in the bible, anyway - we don't really know WHAT the man said, only what the Council of Nicea said someone else says he said. It likely helped a wee bit when the power of Rome was thrown into the mix as well.
Hitler caused ww2, the deaths of millions. Thats notable. Mohammed was a successful military leader. With smith, you have more a point, but its recent and very near. Do they know about Mormons in China much? We live in an information age. Tv radio etc.
Youre into electricity, arent you? I seem to remember Tesla seeming obscure, especially in comparison to Edison. Jesus should have disappeared into history, imo. And I am a believer.
I want to understand why people believe what they do. I am especially interested in Christianity.
Blame it on an epiphany. He took the place of one the unicorns chained to a tree, remember?
I have no idea what that means. The unicorn thing .
was your epiphany like a vision? can you describe it (how it felt i mean)
Hitler cause the death of millions and we notice him for that, yes. But at the time he was still very notable and tens of thousands of people noticed him without his ever having accomplished much of anything. Charisma, being a powerful speaker, is what it's about for most, at least in the early days. Later on it becomes more about their ability to organize, or that ability in their followers.
Actually, I think that without Constantine he would have (disappeared). When the might of the biggest, strongest and baddest nation on earth accepts a religion and works to force everyone to believe as well it changes the picture enormously.
I think that Wilderness was onto something when he said that "the Romans helped a wee bit". You've heard the phrase "the power behind the throne" I suppose? I think the Romans were the bit publicity push that made Christianity. Otherwise nobody today would have heard of Jesus.
If you believe that the History Channel's researched programs are truthful, Jesus seems to be a common name of that time and place. So I think they've verified that a man (or men) named Jesus existed. However, they've done some conflicting programs about whether The Jesus of the New Testament existed, died on the cross, and was resurrected. One program unearthed a burial site in which there were ossuaries labeled Yesuah ben Joseph, Maria, and Maria Magdalene. A different program offered evidence of the crucifixion and resurrection. It just depended on who was doing the program.
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