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   Bigcountry12577posted 14 years ago

   Jesus died over 2000 years ago.
               Nobody has ever referred to him as the late Jesus Christ,
               not even the heathens.
               No where in history.
               No where has he EVER been referred to in past tense!
               He is the Living God!
              
   
   
   
               "May God Smile on You Today"

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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      AMEN!!!

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      SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      He is alive today sitting at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us. He is the daysman that Job Prayed for. He is our advocate. He bridges the gap between God and man. He is the only one who is man enough to touch man and spiritual enough to touch God.

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         Journey2244posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You are so right!!!!!

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            Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Delusions are plentiful
            
            Hokey: 4:20

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               SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               How true it is that atheists are full of delusions. I would venture to say that Buddhists are likewise full of delusions.

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                  Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  How is that? What do you know of Buddhism?

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                     SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I know that Buddhists do not worhsip God. What else is needed to know?

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                        Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Actually in Buddhism the interpretation of God is left up to the individual. So some Buddhists possibly do.

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                        mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                          what made you come up with this statement ? Do you think Buddhism is based on atheism?
                        
                        Buddha was an enlightened one like Jesus, someone who has fused with god the real self.

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      Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I am glad that you can believe in this but it makes me curious as to why people still live in the dark ages of myths and superstition.

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It seems you don't read a lot !

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      Michael Adams1959posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      PRAISE GOD AMEN!!!

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      Michael Adams1959posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      PRAISE GOD AMEN!!!

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   skyfireposted 14 years ago

   Let's change the history, so we're talking about late Jesus Christ.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend skyfire
      
      I agree with you. Jesus the late; did not die on the Cross. He was persecuted in Judea so he migrated to India and died a peaceful and natural death there. Jesus,late, is buried at Mohallah Khanyare, Sirinagar, Kashmir, India.
      
      One may visit there and pray for him on his grave/tomb.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   Are we talkin about the late Jesus guy?

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   SirDentposted 14 years ago

   Mar 12:27  He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

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   Challah1202posted 14 years ago

   Belief in Jesus is supported by a great deal of fact and research.  I am really excited to read about discoveries of new documents and excavations that confirm Biblical accounts.  Nevertheless, my faith in Jesus is based on the Bible's account of His life and the testimony of those who saw Him and left records of their encounters.  In addition, I am constantly reminded of His love for me today.  When I claim a promise He made to me, I am blessed and my faith is renewed.  Those who do not have faith will probably not see His hand at work in their lives.  There is a measure of grace that He pours out even to the unbelieving.  If you are the recepient of that undeserved favor, perhaps your faith can begin to grow, too.

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      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I have been the recipient of what you call grace ever since I read my way through the bible and dumped being a religionist.

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         SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You still recieve grace from God. The breath you breathe is of God. Your heart beats only because God allows it.

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            Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Why is it so hard to believe in yourself. All this strength comes from within. Not from some God. By giving up your problems to this belief in God all you are doing is practicing acceptance and letting go.

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               SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Myself is what caused me trouble before. It wasn't belief or disbelief. It was my nature, my faults, my mistakes. It was my own evilness that caused me so much trouble before.
               
               Job 9:20  If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.

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                  Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  So you let go of the ways that you were. You stopped identifying with your negative thoughts and made a commitment to do the next right thing no matter what you do.

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                     SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     
                     
                     I prayed to God and accpeted His offer of salvation through His son Jesus. Jesus is the one who is changing me.

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                        Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I am sorry that you can't accept that it is you that are changing you. All this goodness comes from you. All this inner strength comes from within. What we think we become.

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                           SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Here is where ego gets in the way. Ego thinks he is on the same level as God. Ego thinks he can change himself.

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                              AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              I'd say from a Buddhist perspective it's somewhat a question of semantics. Because "God" in that tradition "permeates" all that is, including individuals (or the illusion that there are individuals). So, in a sense, "You're both right"

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                                 SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 This is the same as saying that I flushed God down the toilet earlier today.

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                                    AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Well, it is not "the same" as saying that, because what I said does not use those words... thus, it is different. If you want to twist it that way, okay, but another to put it is that all things in nature are "sacred", including water, and, well, manure...("manure" after all, replenishes the earth, at least in theory).
                                    
                                    Be that as it may, that was not my point. My point was simply that if, according to Christian tradition, we are made in God's image, then we are "the stuff of God" already. So, to say that inner strength comes from the self is not necessarily to say it comes specifically from the ego. In fact, Buddhism is EXACTLY the attempt to defocus AWAY from the ego.

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                                       Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       You are correct.

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                                       SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       
                                       
                                       God created man in His own image and likeness. I agree 100%.
                                       
                                       Man did something that he was not supposed to do. When this was done, death came upon man. Man actually changed. He was no longer the creature that God created but was completely different.

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                              Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Ego is the false sense of self. Ego is habitual patterns of thought that when we identify with them we think that is who we are. When you learn to seperate yourself from your thoughts you become the observer of thought and no longer the slave. The mind is meant to be a tool to perform tasks. When the task is done you should be able to lay it down as such as any tool. The untrained mind doesn't stop. It just runs and runs. Learning to step out of these thoughts gives us the freedom to not suffer from the mind. The ego can only live in the past and the future. I don't think I am God. It is your Ego that doesn't allow you to give thought to any other possibilites than what you have created in your head. You identify with these thoughts and therefore create your own false reality.

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                                 SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 And here I always thought that ego actually meant self. If I have the wrong definition, define it for me please.
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 Replying to the part I bolded. It is your ego that allows you to think you can reach God by differemt means. God cannot be reached unless God makes a way for us to reach Him. He is way too high and holy.
                                 
                                 I will wait for a good definition of ego before I go on any further with this.

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                                    AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Sir Dent, I don't agree with you on much, but it is always refreshing to see a poster who is trying to employ his intellect. So much argument is hot air, because people have not to agreed to define terms before they start. Here you are seeking to do that. Good... Very happy to see it, and I applaud it. Good night

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                                       SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       
                                       
                                       I never expect anyone to agree with me. What I believe or say doesn't matter anyway. The only thing I want to get across is that you should be able to agree with God.
                                       
                                       Good night to you also.

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         Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         There, but for the grace of god, go I.

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   SirDentposted 14 years ago

   There is only one God. Can we agree on that?
   
   
   There is only one way to God. I know you won't agree with this but I have to say it. Jesus Christ is the only one who can bring you to God.

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      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      No, I can't agree on that.

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      Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I agree there is only one God but my concept of God is different than yours. I don't see God as an entity that has human characteristics such as emotions. God to me is a force. A mystery. A universal energy that is at work that we as human beings have no ability to understand. To me all these Religions are stories created to control other people and to make man comfortable with something that he can not possibly understand. Such as       and creation.

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         SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         My concept or your concept of God makes no difference. God is not just an energy. They are not just sotries to control people. That is atheist talk. You should find out where the quotes come froim before using them.
         
         Do you believe in Jesus?

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            Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            No. Of course not. Jesus to me is as real as the tooth fairy. There might have been a historical Jesus although he is not mentioned anywhere except the bible but I don't believe in a christ. I would never believe in such a dark religion. Salvation through Human sacrifice. This is the same thing that the christians wiped out the Aztecs for.

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               SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Let me ask you this then. How can a man who is flesh and blood, touch God who is spirit?

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                  Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  According to Buddhism, all beings are imbued with a spark of inner divine light.... The Jewish mystics use similar words when they speak of the inner spark or the spark of God. The Koran, referring to man, talks about the little candle flame burning in a niche in the wall of God's temple. Almost inevitably a spiritual search becomes a search for divine or sacred light. By     ivating our inner core, we search for this light in ourselves as well as the divine.

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                     SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     
                     
                     I can see a little more of where the Koran came from now. Thanks.
                     
                     Let's look at it this way. You are brought up on charges and facing a judge. You know very little about the law and how it actually works. You use a lawyer so you can get help that is useful and can touch the judge because of his knowledge of the law.
                     
                     Jesus is that lawyer. No one knows God like He does. No one can touch God but Him. He is the only one human enough to touch mand and spiritual enough to touch God. He is the daysman that Job had prayed for.

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                        Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        These are just stories. Have you ever heard of Horus. The son of the egyptian sun God Ra? Same story as jesus way before Christianity.  Immaculate conception. Virgin Birth. Performed Miracles. Crucified. Resurrected.

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                           SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           I have heard the stories of Horus, Mithra, Osiris, etc. . . I also know that most who know about them know them from a book written by Gerald Massey. They are not historically correct. If they were, there would be proof.

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                              Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              What about The Epic of Gilgamesh. 5000 years before Christianity. Same stories in the Old Testament. Exodus. The great flood.
                              
                              Do you know what is the oldest religion on earth?
                              
                              Hinduism

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                           earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Hokey you know better than to bring historic facts and real information into the "believers" den!
                           Fire and brimstone time!

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                              Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Hi Earnest! You are so funny. Good to see you.

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                                 earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Nice to see you hokey. Still trying to exchange ideas I see.
                                 
                                 The good fight is it not?

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                                    Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yes. The good fight but at least it is honest debate.

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                                       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       Honest debate is good. Just don't see a lot of it in these threads.

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                                          Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          That is unfortunately true. I don't mind discussing other perspectives as long as people don't proclaim there way as the only way.

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                        AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        But you first have to show that the two examples are parallel. Just because you present two scenarios and say "Look, they're similar"... it's not really an argument as such. (And by the way, hello )

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                           SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           
                           
                           Let's look at it. Job was in trouble. He had been accused of things he did not do. His "friends" troubled him pretending to try to comfort him. Job wanted to tell God that although he is not perfect, he is not guilty of all that he was accused of.
                           
                           Job also knew that he could not touch God. God is spirit and Job is flesh. He wished for a daysman who could touch them both, (God and Job).
                           
                           Jesus is the only one who fit the bill.

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                              AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Still, IMO this is just a way of "illustrating" what you mean, rather than a defence of it per se.

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                                 SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 
                                 
                                 Jesus did the task that Job wanted done. He is the only person spiritual enough to touch God and human enough to touch man at the same time.

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                              Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              SirDent, I thought part of the concept of the Christian God was that he is all seeing and all knowing. If this is true, why would Job have to prove that he was not what he was being accused of? Wouldn't God already know that?

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               SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               
               
               This is where so many fail to see what really happened. They think of human sacrifices and burning babies in Gehenna, etc. . .
               
               God put on a body of flesh. He did it for a reason. He walked like a man and talked like a man, but He had knowledge like no other man ever had. He did not come and jusy proclaim, "I AM GOD!!!" He humbled Himself so that He could feel what men feel.
               
               Much like a soldier who gives his life to fight for his country, Jesus went to the cross and gave His life for the sins of all mankind.
               
               This is a far cry from human sacrificing.

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            cheaptrickposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            According to the"27"books you accept thats true.But what about the Other works outside of those books?
            What is the origin of the"27"books.How did they come to be Cannon.Who was the Driving force behind those"27"books and why were They selected from Hundreds of others?

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      GoGrannyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You are correct SirDent. One cannot get to heaven with God without first knowing Jesus.

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         There goes any hope for the starving orphans who can't rip down the corner store and by em a new bible!
         You are blinded by your own ego.
         If these children found a bible they would have to eat it! Foolish!

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         Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You know what blind faith is? Blind. You what blind faith in a man made book and story? Insanity.

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            SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            You call it a man made book and story. Have you ever been wrong before?

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               Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Of course I have as you have been also.

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               Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               The Bible IS a man-made book though. The Bible didn't just fall from the sky one day, fully written and autographed by your God. It was written by men who lived on Earth and were human, not gods.

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                  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Just so you know, the Bible was written by men as they were moved upon by God the Holy Spirit. No matter what you believe or don't believe makes no difference as to truth or untruth.

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                     Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     That's what they CLAIM, but anyone could write a book and claim the Holy Spirit moved them to write it. There is no historical fact and there is no proof that suggests my theory is incorrect. The Bible is not a history book. In fact, if you MUST read the Bible, it is best to look at it as if it is a metaphor.
                     
                     Earlier, you said the stories of Rah were not factual so you didn't believe them. Don't you think you're being a bit hypocritical by believe in the Bible, which also has no factual evidence?

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                        AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        The Bible does contain factual historical details, but that for me is not the problem; in many places it contravenes the principle (from the New Testament) that God has written the sense of right and wrong "on our hearts" on the one hand, but that we must ignore that and follow IT instead on the other. (Not sure if that was clear).

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                           Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Okay, that's true. However, the point I was trying to make is that anyone could write a book and claim it as truth. For instance, I could write a book and, in one of the passages say:
                           
                           In the year of 2010, scientists found evidence that mermaids do, in fact, exist. In Atlantis, a local fisherman managed to catch one in his net. After trying to keep the mermaid captive in a zoo far beyond any reaches of the ocean, the mermaid used her magical powers to escape. Although no photographs were taken (She escaped before anyone could find a camera), we have an artist's rendition of the magical creature.
                           
                           I used a date. Does that make the entire paragraph factual? No, of course not.

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                              AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Mmmm, let me think... .
                              
                              Well, I guess perhaps the difference is that if, in your book, you told me that I had to do x, y, and z with my life, with my mind, with my emotions, and with my desires, BECAUSE of that mermaid, I'd have to say, "Why does what that mermaid do have to affect me at all?" Similarly, let's say Jesus really did rise from the dead, (factually, historically), I'd still say: "Well, that does not tell me that I should follow what he says, or what Paul the Apostle says, or whoever, for that matter..."
                              
                              Howzat?

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                                 Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Much better than how I explained it. My excuse: I just woke up

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                        SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        
                        
                        There is evidence that the Bible is factual.

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                           Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Where is the proof that Jesus walked on water?
                           
                           Where is the proof that Jesus rose from the dead?
                           
                           Where is the proof that Mary was a virgin when she became pregnant with Jesus?
                           
                           Where is the proof that Jesus turned water into wine? Healed a blind man?
                           
                           Where is the proof that over 2/3 of the people in the Bible even existed?
                           
                           When you can show me proof that did NOT come from the Bible, I may take into consideration that the Bible is slightly factual.

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                              SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Tell me why I should waste my time and yours to show you something you already know in your heart to be factual?

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                                 Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 It's not true in my heart. My heart has led me to a much happier, lighter faith. Christianity is much too dark of a religion for me to believe in.
                                 
                                 Anyway, good night

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                                 Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 I think this is your attempt to deflect from the fact that there is no evidence. If there were this purported evidence than why would you not present it. As a christian is it not your moral imperative to bring people to Jesus? With that said why would you hold out on evidence to prove your theory if the outcome was to bring people to Jesus?

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                                    Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    "Then certain of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, 'Master,  we would see a sign from thee.'
                                    
                                    But He answered and said unto them, 'An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;  and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah:
                                    
                                    For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
                                    
                                    The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it;  because they repented at the preaching of Jonah;  and behold, a greater than Jonah is here.'"
                                    
                                    Your sign (and the sign for all unbelievers) was and is Jesus Christ the Savior.
                                    He died for you Hokey.
                                    If you really want to see Truth, look no further than that.

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                                       Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       Total conjecture and mis-direction. You cannot hold up these verses as anything other than myth. It is this book that is needing some kind of proof. I will not believe something just because another person has passed along a story. Just a story is all it is. No factual evidence. No historical evidence. Just a bunch of words.

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                                    SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    That was not even directed at you. I did ask you for a definition of ego.
                                    
                                    My edit after original post. I  suppose you would rather not discuss this anymore. You want to go off on another topic. I will bow out of this discussion so you can have your fun.

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                     Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     SirDent the word trust is totally relative and subjective. The word truth is of it self totally irrelevant. This word means and proves what a consensus of people choose it to mean.
                     
                     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth

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         mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         There are so many who have gained enlightenment without ever having heard the name Jesus.
         Have you never heard of the Hindu or Parsee religions?

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   SirDentposted 14 years ago

   Everyone needs to slow down a bit. I am having trouble keeping up.

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      Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ok.

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   Hokeyposted 14 years ago

   Well I have to go now. I will check this thread tomorrow. May your days be full of love, light, and laughter. Namaste
   
                                    

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      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Good night, Hokey

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      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Namaste.

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   C.V.Rajanposted 14 years ago

   Sirdent says: "There is only one way to God. I know you won't agree with this but I have to say it. Jesus Christ is the only one who can bring you to God."
   
   "As many faiths, so many paths" -- Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa.
   
   SirDent, You have known one path; you believe in it; very well; Progress through it and attain perfection. When you attain perfection, you will understand, "as many faiths, so many paths". Till then, your limited ego will constrain yourself to believe that Jesus is the only way. It will work for you, but it need not, for every one else.
   
   A Buddhist says Buddha is the only one to guide you.
   
   A Muslim says Allah is the only one; (and extremists say, "kill all others who don't agree!")
   
   Hindus - well; they have numerous God forms and there are numerous Hindus who confirm that their personal God form is the only one, ultimate!
   
   And Christian preachers go from country to country to proclaim Jesus is the only God and convert all and sundry doubtists to Christianity!
   
   That's how the phrase "missionary zeal" came into picture!
   
   CVR

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      aguasilverposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "A Buddhist says Buddha is the only one to guide you.
      
      A Muslim says Allah is the only one; (and extremists say, "kill all others who don't agree!")
      
      Hindus - well; they have numerous God forms and there are numerous Hindus who confirm that their personal God form is the only one, ultimate!"
      
      Big difference, Christ (not SirDent) said:
      
      John 14:6
      
      Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
      
      If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well.
      
      With this statement Christ declared that He was the ONLY way to God, and positioned Himself so that all mankind must choose one of three possible decisions about Christ;
      
      1. He is who He states He is... The Son of God, come to earth to save mankind.
      
      2. He was a liar
      
      3. He was deluded and or mentally insane
      
      Each individuals choice....
      
      
      He also said...
      
      John 5:41-44
      
      "I do not accept praise from men, but I know you.
      
      I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts.
      
      I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.
      
      How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God?
      
      or how about these words...Christ spoke;
      
      John 6:39-41
      
      And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
      
      For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
      
      At this the Jews began to grumble about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven."
      
      and of course...
      
      John 10:29-31
      
      "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.
      
      I and the Father are one." (Now THAT is one BIG statement)

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         C.V.Rajanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Since you are exposed to Bible, you have grasped all these. Do you know that similar statements are existing, as propounded by Krishna, in Bhagavat Gita, Upanishads etc in Hindu Holy scripture?
         
         The fact is, they are all true. What Jesus says is to be understood not by taking Jesus as the only person to claim so, but ANY person who has attained the state same as Jesus christ will say the same thing. In west, you  have Jesus Christ who has attained that state.
         
         In India, countless saints have attained that state. Hinduism's Vedanta philosophy says every one of us can attain that state, provided we strive for it. Nay, we are THAT already; only thing, we are deluded by Maya and Egotism that act as veils to hide that state to ourselves.

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            mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Well written.

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         mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Krishna says the same thing in the Bhagwat Gita.
         
         One needs to understand there are to I's.
         
         I for human and I for God.

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      Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is not entirely true. Please read the following.
      
      Believe nothing on the faith of traditions,
      even though they have been held in honor
      for many generations and in diverse places.
      Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it.
      Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past.
      Do not believe what you yourself have imagined,
      persuading yourself that a God inspires you.
      Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests.
      After examination, believe what you yourself have tested
      and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
      
      
      Buddha
      
      With this teaching Buddha himself tells us to not even take his words but to realize our own truth.

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         mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Which is correct the prophets are masters and guides but one  needs needs to walk the path in order to gain his own salvation.
         
         Saying so and so is the greatest and only way is only fooling oneself and shows a total lack of comprehension concerning the prophets an god.

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    Pani Midnyte Odinposted 14 years ago

    Anyway, I'm going to bed. Good night, everybody!

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    C.V.Rajan  wrote:
    
    A Buddhist says Buddha is the only one to guide you.
    
    A Muslim says Allah is the only one; (and extremists say, "kill all others who don't agree!")
    
    Hindus - well; they have numerous God forms and there are numerous Hindus who confirm that their personal God form is the only one, ultimate!
    
    And Christian preachers go from country to country to proclaim Jesus is the only God and convert all and sundry doubtists to Christianity!
    
    aguasilver  wrote:
    
    John 14:6
    
    Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
    
    If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well.
    
    I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.
    
    I and the Father are one." (Now THAT is one BIG statement)
    
    C.V.Rajan  wrote:
    
    Since you are exposed to Bible, you have grasped all these. Do you know that similar statements are existing, as propounded by Krishna, in Bhagavat Gita, Upanishads etc in Hindu Holy scripture?
    
    The fact is, they are all true. What Jesus says is to be understood not by taking Jesus as the only person to claim so, but ANY person who has attained the state same as Jesus christ will say the same thing. In west, you  have Jesus Christ who has attained that state.
    
    In India, countless saints have attained that state. Hinduism's Vedanta philosophy says every one of us can attain that state, provided we strive for it. Nay, we are THAT already; only thing, we are deluded by Maya and Egotism that act as veils to hide that state to ourselves.
    
    Paarsurrey wrote:
    
    It was only a usage of the Messengers Prophets Saints anywhere in the world. Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Socrates, Moses, Jesus; all of them in the regions or nations they were sent by the Creator- God Allah YHWH said the same kind of things.
    They neither meant it literally nor for the whole world; their statements were relative to the nation they were sent to; while conveying the same meaning.
    
    All the above persons were truthful and must be respected.
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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