Is it a good idea to have a one world government?

I think it would be disastrous.  Over the last few years, I've worked for a couple of global companies.  Having previously worked for companies that operated only in Australia, I was expecting these incredibly successful companies to be models of efficiency.

Wrong.  It seems that the larger a company gets, the more things go wrong.

In a large organisation, there's too much opportunity for people to become ciphers instead of people.  That means people can be exploited and no one notices;  people can be sitting doing nothing and no one notices;  people can rort the system and no one notices; the list is endless.

Very few large organisations have the sense to delegate powers down the line. They all feel the need to control, which means they create huge top-heavy structures.  Those chiefs have to rely on reporting to know what's going on, so the lower ranks of the organisation spend more time producing useless reports than actually doing business.  Being a manager in a large organisation is all about what you are seen to be doing, and nothing to do with what you're actually achieving.

I've spoken to many other people who work in global organisations since, and they all agree with me - bigger is not better.  I see no reason why a global government would be any different.

LOL this is one of the reasons it will never happen - cause such a government just won't be able to create itself because of terrible inefficiency

Well, I see two possibilities of one world government.

The one that is done correctly when all people seek and attain their highest conscious awareness as One with God through our Christ Mind (Higher Self), this is the one that will work for the benefit of ALL people, not just the few. This is the "kingdom on earth", Jesus talked about and so has every other of the oldest original religions, though they called them something else. This is the Utopia concept that has been written about. This is possible...but there are some big changes that have to be made before it will happen, and each of us is accountable for our own consciousness.

The other one that is done incorrectly is what we see happening through large organizations that may sound as if they have good intentions, but because they are so big and the people work mostly through their human consciousness not as connected with Higher consciousness/God that they could be, they can't get united on the issues.

What we see, for instance, in the UN, and its inability to act in particular situations, in a United Europe, where each country has lost its individual sovereignty, in America where we have no appropriate control over our borders for a healthy, legal immigration to take place, every place where we  must make large collective decisions that don't usually benefit those most in need, because even though it is voted on, only a small portion of people take the actual actions to implement voted on decisions.   In Communism, in corporations, in big banks, in big health care systems, etc.... our individual choices are being lost and corrupted right out of our lives and the masses are too busy watching TV and being manipulated by all forms of the media, sex, alcohol, drugs and emotional pains and worries. They can't find their centered consciousness.

I truly am coming from a centered place, even though it could be construed otherwise. But you have to look at the realities going on around us. More people need to start praying for God's Will and for the Order in accordance with the Universe to happen here on earth..

It is between the not self and the real self of each person. Each person needs to seek and find their real self in God/Source and pray for others to do the same. Pray for our self and others to act for the good of humanity according to God's will. Find their "centered consciousness" to act from, respond from, create from.

We mustn't ignore the atrocities, the manipulations, the tragedies, but pray for them to stop, command the angels to stop the people that do these things.

Command is not the way of God.

Consider using the word "influence" instead ...

Jenny

Personally, I think one world government would be disastrous, and not because I believe it would bring on the End Times. As Marisa pointed out, the inefficiency by itself would prevent anything getting done, and I think also that the diversity of this world is just too great. Too much of the world is still basically tribal in outlook - even relatively small countries like Rwanda are completely unable to control the two or three ethnic groups within their borders. Even less tribally focused nations have racial and ethnic problems. I assume this is less true now, but for a long time it was said that you couldn't open your mouth in Britain without somebody hating you on the spot, and the failure of European nations - partly due to their own institutionalized racism and imperialistic belief in the "white man's burden" - to successfully integrate their Muslim immigrants in particular is already producing catastrophes. America, as a nation of immigrants, has been better at smoothing over these sorts of tensions than most, but we still have a poverty-stricken underclass made up in large part by racial minorities, and constant fretting about how the latest wave of immigrants to the country is destroying our American values, from the Know-Nothings rioting against the Irish in the 19th century to the people howling about the Mexicans today.



One person's Utopia is another's Dystopia. What about the roughly 67% of the world's people who aren't Christian?

I continue to hold the vision and do my part as best I can. Staying positive and holding the vision is the #1 thing to do...and the other things are too numerous to write.

They already have governments of God. They are the like Taliban, Sharia Law, or the polygamists in Texas. No one invisions the same God or even if. Which is why the concept of separation of church and state. Government is to force agreement, and where it cannot, it makes laws, so most everyone stops at red lights. Laws with penalities are necessary, because not everyone can even agree on something so obvious. You might see people run lights everyday.

The plan for 'One World Gov is called 'The Project For A New American
Century'. The actualization was a 6 week war in Iraq, then on to Iran and Venezuela. They would then control the world's oil supply, and thus control
China and Russia. However they over-reached, did not take into account the Iraqi resistance, were not able to control Putin or dislodge Chavez. They gambled and lost, and we'll have to wait and see what the debt will engender.

I don't know about Zarm, but I'm telling this for quite some time already.

Yes, America is an empire, much like Roman or Osman or Russian or any other empire in history. It looks like empire, it smells like empire, it tastes like empire, and it behaves like empire And it will disintegrate eventually, as ALL empires did...

I am wondering, Jeromeo keeps saying that organized religion will be outlawed, however it looks more like the "nations" are trying to organize a One World religion....

I suppose lessons are never learned from the past, as every "empire" consist with greed and eventually fall. 

I wonder what will happen next?

Well, I can't really expand on Jeromeo's forecast, he should know better.

As for the fall of American empire - next empire will arise shortly, I have no doubt in that...

They are kinda empire already But they have a couple of really strong neighbors, and this makes further expansion really really complicated for them. I would rather bet on a Muslim empire arising on Middle East and parts of Central Asia and North Africa - but I could be wrong of course

Well, they will treat other nations as they see fair. This does not mean it is the same what you think is fair for your nation - but I guess they won't care, as most Americans don't care now...

And no, I don't think it will be about Muslim fundamentalism. You can't really build an empire on any kind of radical views, people will revolt. Some degree of tolerance is necessary for empire to exist. In other words, if they try to build fundamentalist empire, they fail

If we live long enough

Actually I think Islam is more humane religion than Christianity. In a sense that it does not try to bend our biology that much.

Is it a good idea to have a one world government?

Depends who the leader is,a country or a nation is only as good as its leader.

The whole x-tian prophecy about a one world government is, in my opinion, more conspiratorial pie in the sky which is typical of organized religion.

The only scenario I could see where there would be a good chance for a one world government to arise would be once we have colonized at least 4 or 5 other planets, and we are ages away from that kind of stuff.

It really is pie in the sky, the whole one world government thing.  Of course, some people have no problems at all believing such nonsense because they read books that tout it as legitimate conspiratorial nonsense.

The idea of a One World Government is as old as man himself. 1948 changed everything in the equation. The Atomic Bomb, oil and the foundation of Israel as a nation - has brought the world into a dangerous balance of Geopolitics. It is naive to believe we can wish these circumstances away. History hates a vacuum and that is what many in America are proposing; a vacuum, as if nothing really, really bad will happen afterward. What solutions does anyone ever express other than America is wrong? We either confront Totalitarianism or not. We have seen what both options produce.

   Many here are expressing views that have no relation to the real world mechanics of brute force. It is impossible for Dictatorial, or Totalitarian nations to join with Democracies. Nor is it possible for expansionist religions to stop expanding - if their Holy books command it. Especially if it's by force. The West is attempting to do both, Democratize the Totalitarians, (Russia and China) and soften the radical elements within Islam. And they have decided to do it while they have the upper hand.

As for me, I agree with the idea - but not necessarily the methods. In any event - it is clearly a race against time - given the state of world technology and the proliferation of more and more destructive weapons at all levels. (Bio and Chemical, and nuclear)

   The postulate above that the world is in the thralls of a conspiracy - is correct. That it is secret is not. The Western world having risen to the pinnacle of world power during the last 500 years, is not, in this generation willing to relinquish that power to the Russian state and it's allies; nor to the Islamic state attempting to form. Nor a combination of them plus China.

But what we are seeing is a spiritual war long ago predicted.

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   Israel is the epicenter of the world. The Bible predicted this 2500 years ago when it said "in the last days Israel will be re-gathered from among the nations and come back into their own historic land which had always been waste". It also clearly says that when this happens, the whole world will revolve around her.

   In my mind that is true. But even if it isn't in other's minds - the history surrounding that event should be compelling.

   In 1917 the Balfour agreement was signed allowing Israel the right to return. This came about as the result of WW1. As the result of the Second World War - Israel actually returned.

   WW1 saw the demise of the Islamic Ottoman Empire and had they stayed intact - would have easily overwhelmed the future Israeli state. But because they lost WW1 - they weren't there to overwhelm her. Between the wars, the Muslim Ottoman nation was chopped up into smaller pieces. The following 25 years saw the nations from them ruled by different men and ideologies. They were very divided and while they were Israel grew stronger and finally in 1968 after 3 wars - they took Jerusalem.

   The Founding of the nation of Israel united the newly individual Muslim nations against a common enemy - and the war has been hot and cold ever since. The Bible tells us this war will not end until the Muslim nations surrounding Israel are defeated. The Muslim nations will unify into one nation with Russia as their main (nuclear) ally, The West is attacked soon after this Muslim nation forms. According to prophecy, the Muslims and Russia attack the West.

   The Western world is apostate from it's early founding Christianity. As such, there is a one world movement among the nations to unify the religions and base them in unity in Rome as the mother church. This movement is very far along and very advanced. This movement started in 1948 as well - but picked up steam in 1962 at the Vatican Council II. The secular Western World realizes that unless Islam as a religion is neutralized from it's historic methods, the world will be brought into a conflagration in any event. (The unified Muslim world against the unified psuedo-christian world) There is no doubt the West has motives here. But they are thinking as politicians, not Christians. (I am neither for nor against - I am merely reporting)

   The Bible clearly, and very simply predicts the players at the end of the age. They are a very great northern power, an apostate Christian world power that rules the nations, a very sudden  huge new nation which includes North Africa, the Middle East, Persia (Iran), and the Southern Caucuses. And finally, a group called the kings of the East and when they come into the war - there are 200 million of them (Presumably this is China, India or China and India.)

So we have Russia, The West, Islam and the East with Israel in the center. That is the state of the world when the war starts. It never does unify. There is no one world government.

   All these armies fight finally ending up in the plains surrounding Israel.

   According to the Bible - there never will be a one World Government until this war has been fought. Afterwards, a one World Government is set up in Jeruslaem.

   Scripturally, the mistaken idea that there will be a one world government, comes from this verse;

""""Revelation 13:3-7 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; and they worshiped the dragon, because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?"
And there was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies; and authority to act for 42 months was given to him. And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven. And it was given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them; and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, every one whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb who has been slain."""

The head wound which had been healed, is the very near future revival of the Ottoman Muslim Caliphate ruled by a coming Caliph (The Mahdi). The beast is the Muslim nation which began in 623ad and conquered the other 6 Kingdoms that had ruled over Jerusalem. Islam now sits atop the lands of all those former nations. Muslims controlled the former empires as an empire itself,  until 1923. Since then - it is as if it has died. But it will come back to life. The prophecy says they will reunite and become the 8th empire to rule over the world - but by this - it means it will rule over the other 7 and JERUSALEM. That is the world in Bible prophecy. (There are numerous examples clearly showing this to be correct)

That is why we see the 4 great powers coming into war in order to determine the outcome of the ages. If the Antichrist or any other leader - controlled the world from one government - there would be no way the armies could fight. (Supposedly)

This is not an anti-Islamic rant. These prophecies were written before there ever was a single Muslim. If Chinese just happened to sit on these lands, which just happen to surround Israel, which just happen to have most of the world's oil - at exactly the moment the Bible says Israel will be there again - then it would have a Chinese bent to it - and not Islamic.

The prelude to this war is being played out before our eyes.

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Israel did not steal the land. The Ottomans lost the war and their lands were given over to the winners. At the end of WW2, the British were given a Protectorate which was eventually given over to the UN - who split Palestine in two. Israel accepted the terms - the Arabs did not.

The very next day after Israel declared itself a country and took the land the UN gave them - 5 Arab nations attacked and they were supported by the newly formed Arab League.

For balance here is the Declaration of the Arabs the day of Israel's founding. It is their view of the events.

http://www.mideastweb.org/arableague1948.htm

Actually, Israel did steal the land - from the Canaanites, via genocide.

But they weren't the first.

The Canaanites undoubtedly arrived in their own blood-soaked fashion without the benefit of a surviving oral history to record the fact for posterity.

No one group or race has any legitimate claim to that piece of dirt.

Jenny

For any American who thinks that Palistine is the homeland of the Jews from biblical times, I am sure they
will be willing to give their own US property to the American Indians, free and clear, no questions asked.

well it's an awsome idea to have a one universal government, people will have same opportunities all over the world & there will be less hassles in lots of things. more & more people will merge into each other's culture, there will be a lot to share intellectually too.

'For any American who thinks that Palistine is the homeland of the Jews from biblical times,' 'You go first. Show us the way.' Your quip only works if I had stated that I think Palistine is the Jewish homeland, which I did and do not. Being your opinions are somewhat garbled, I am not sure if you yourself should be the first or not. But I can be absolutely certain, that you would never in any case.

love

everyone tryes

difficult to happen in this world?
does  it happen with animals?

see ya

Give me a minute make$. I'll get it for ya.

What makes you think that I judge you at all, Prophecy Teacher?

I would remove organised religion from the world, yes - but you are not your religion. You are a human being, and without your religion you would be just as much a unique, valuable and lovable human being as you are now.

I feel no need to convert anyone to anything. I believe that God can handle the Universe just fine without any intervention on my part. I do speak - with or without words - sincerely and profoundly to whomever God puts in my path, in whatever way matches where they are at, to the best of my ability.

You have not offended me - there is no need to apologise. I can feel your frustration and sense of desperate urgency in the way you speak.

What if there is actually no hurry?

What of everything is unfolding exactly as it should be?

What if you are already perfect, and the world is already perfect, and there is nobody who needs saving?

What if there is nothing you need to do - there is just the opportunity to BE?

Jenny

One day, there was a King with a vast and very great army and he rode up to a peaceful walled city. When he got to the city he had his archer send a message over the wall. Inside the city a peasant got the message and delivered it to the king of the city. The Message read:

   IF we capture your city, we will kill all your men and we will tear your walls down and burn your houses. We will steal your gold and all your treasures. We will rape your women and take your children as slaves. After that - we will kill all your animals and salt your wells. Only then - will we leave.


   The King in the city after reading the message thought for a minute and wrote one himself. He had his archer send it over the wall. Outside the city, the message was brought to the attacking king. When he opened it up and read it - it said only this:


  IF?

No one. I was talking to Inspires' repeated use of the words "What If"

Prophecy Teacher, there is a world of difference between "if" and "what if".

Nay, a Universe.

One implies doubt, the other, abundance and freedom.

I can see by your answer that you did not make a serious attempt at the thought experiment.

Your loss.

A life shaped by fear is less enjoyable, although equal in artistic merit.

Jenny

Churchill tried to make people realize the danger they were in. He tried for many years. They said he was making his own predictions come to pass by antagonizing Hitler into action against them. A sort of self-fulfilling prophecy. They said  he was trying to fill them with fear. Eventually, laughing at him, they pointed to the peace agreement Chamberlain had signed with Hitler, as proof they had been right.

18 months later - they begged him to lead them. He wrote this as a lesson for us to learn.

"""""""""If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."""""""""


   I know, I know Mark - I'm no Churchill. But I,  like him,  do not attempt to fill people with fear but rather knowledge and awareness. They can look at the evidences and make up their own minds. It doesn't matter to me who believes it.

I've read extensively about the subject Make$. I was particularly interested after reading Douglas Reed's seminal work "Controversy of Zion."

   But that 1955 book ,and your 1976 book - have some catching up to do. This is not the place to discuss this subject and I can tell you are so deep into the Anti-Semite aspect of it - that I do not wish to discuss it with you. No offense.

But you can see the latest evidence below and research further concerning the genetics of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe

(There's a short bibliography at the bottom of the page which can guide you to more)


   I am not a Zionist - nor even a Christian Zionist. I believe Israel is an Apostate Secular State like the West is. There are very few Righteous Torah believing Jews in Israel - nor Messianic Jews. I do not support the Zionist political ideal - but I do support the Righteous Jews within Israel and believe they will ultimately prevail.

   In my spiritual opinion, if God chose to bring them to Israel in that form so be it. They weren't exactly brought too pretty the first time either.

There you go calling me an anti-semite again.  But you don't even seem to understand the term.

From the True Torah Jews web site, http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antis … /index.cfm

What is a "Semite"?...the common definition:

1. A member of a group of Semitic speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

When you take into account the areas that the Carthaginians or Phoenicians traveled that wikipedia site means nothing. 

This is not the place for you to do your war mongering either.

But who's the false prophet?  :-)

And I'm not war mongering.

'But after his spiritual transformation, he said, he had had enough of death, murder, blood, and chaos.' What is it a death-bed confession or a death-bed conversion? Gee I'm sorry I didn't mean it. It's ok my boy, now that you have come around to our point of view - all your evil is forgiven. Let the murderer go he is a christian now. Offer not only easy, but can't refuse.

Whoa....slow down there - I say slow down now.

He wrote books about it. He didn't do murder.

And he wasn't on his death bed.

Of course, you missed the miracle of a total and complete healing right? No trace of the cancer and no trace of the surgery. TOTAL AND COMPLETE.



Of course.

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Ok, your turn - now you can talk about the moral failings of the pedophiles as proof God doesn't exist. (as your back up position)

Doctors at the Cleveland Clinic removed 80 percent of his larynx, put a tracheotomy tube in his throat, and told him he must quit drinking and smoking immediately.
At age 56, after a lifetime of wild living, Mr. Eszterhas knew it would be a struggle to change his ways.
'Of course, you missed the miracle of a total and complete healing right? No trace of the cancer and no trace of the surgery. TOTAL AND COMPLETE.' Your capacity and tenacity for misinformation is staggering.

Thanks Prophecy Teacher.  I enjoyed that story about Eszterhas.

Seems to me the US is trying to impose a one world government called Pax Americana by the left, and New World Order by the right, where a few thousand UN troops are going to take over the US. Seems to be a problem with one world government: like Iraq, Iran, Afganistan, Russia, China, ever more South American countries, Burma, North Korea, Somalia, Pakistan and too numerous to count countries who would not be too
thrilled with the project.

Project for a new American Century or PNAC for short.
'There is a struggle playing out on our planet right now between the West and the East for control of the New World Order.' (control of resources).  'We are seeing the start of the East side of it with Russia's incursions into the country of Georgia.' Point of fact the US installed government of Georgia invaded a breakaway, and then
Russia invaded Georgia, no matter what the media propaganda tells you. Report out today that Cheney's chief of staff was there at the time (no connection of course). It is somebody's fault. It is the US putting missles in Poland, not Russia putting missles in Canada
and reigniting the Cold War, which could get hot very quick. But hell - great for the military industrial complex
and the big bad is coming.

You got it knolyourself.  I've read in another article that the president of Georgia is a former zionist.  But Russia still wants to rule the world too.  Please read the Miracle and Prophecies article.  There's a couple of web pages to go to from it.

'Please sign this petition to request that the Pope in union with all the Catholic bishops of the world will finally consecrate the ('United States of America') to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.' Sorry my friend, but I think all
scripture is nonsense. But I loved the book, 'The Da Vinci Code', with all its background on symbolism.

Oh I see Zarm.  The way you were talking in your previous post you had me thinking you were a Catholic and talking with a bit of knowledge.  But I guess not.

You say "Looks like they hooked you in real good."  But I have been hooked (as you say) since I was baptized at the age of 6 days old.   I am a cradle to grave Catholic and proud of it.  Sorry that it troubles you so much.  Well not really. 

You say "But I know of these things and I can tell you that it is only a matter of time before they get you 100%."  But He (Jesus) has already got me 100% and I like it.

Nobody is telling me to do anything Zarm.  I am posting in here on my on accord.

Now repent of you sins Zarm before it's too late. That was a joke because I think it's hopeless.

Cheereeo
Mike

Don't worry, the US will run out of money to support foreign wars pretty soon, the way their currency is dropping.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Mortgage-Rates- … -Supremacy

Zarm I do not believe "pro vobis et pro omnibus" is heretical either.  He did die on the cross for the salvation of all.  But at this time it certainly looks like "pro vobis et pro multis" is more along the line of what is transpiring.

Well I don't hate you Zarm.  You sound like you are full of hate.  I'm sorry for that.

The Hub that Jenny (Inspirepub) just posted falls completely in line with what Father Grunner's Fatima Center has been saying for a couple of years now.

Mike

Mike - if I may - Zarm is being honest. He feels hate and he admits it. My trouble with Chistianity and western religion in general is that it demands a denial of the natural self. This contradiction of reality is what is suppose to be such salvation and so glorious. I should hate my natural self and call it love.

So condescending?

If what I post is what I believe then how different am I suppose to post it?  No matter where Christians and atheists or agnostics meet online there is clearly going to be a contradiction in what we believe.

Who's is more condescending than the trolls that hang out in the religious forums than people that call themselves atheists or agnostics?  In most religious forums or chat rooms online you find atheists or agnostics on the attack.

If atheists or agnostics claim they do not belong to an organized religion then why do we always see atheists or agnostics in religious forums and chat rooms?

You never see just one atheists or agnostics on the attack in religious forums and chat rooms so that makes me believe that it could possibly be organized.  The fact that atheists or agnostics are on the attack in most if not all religious forums and chat rooms online looks to me like an "organized religion" which kind of contradicts the thought of you calling yourselves an atheists or agnostics to start with.  I still don't hate you though.

Mike

Well at least it's nice to see that you can admit that you are a troll.

Don't put words in my mouth Mark.  I don't hate you, I don't hate Zarm and I don't hate anyone.

So are you trying to say that you hate Christians just because they are Christians?  Or is it just a certain Christian denomination or something like that?  Is this an organized atheist or agnostic belief?  Does this organized atheist or agnostic belief have plans to exterminate all Christians or just certain denominations or something like that?  I must be just a stupid goyum or something like that cause I cannot understand for the life of me why an individual atheist or agnostic that is not suppose to believe in God would want to spend so much time in religious forums.  Are you trying to "save" people from some sort of afterlife or something like that?  But that doesn't make sense either because you are not suppose to believe in an afterlife.  What is it to you what people believe in?  Are you trying to dictate what people should believe or not believe?

Mike

Zarm,

Sorry if I disappoint you, but I tend to think that "objective reality" is no more real than hell Both are illusions, so there is not a big difference between what Mark and MM are doing on a great scale of things I guess.

I even tend to think that hell is an awfull lot more real for people who believe in it, and they DO go to hell after they die, whatever this means...

Zarm,

I don't have answers. I have questions, but I don't have definite answers. I am not sure I exist, I am not sure you exist, I am not sure the World exists for that matter

When I was driving Jenny to the airport a week or two ago, we were having some talk on similar issues. I don't remember how we came there, but I asked her how come we can't walk through walls. She said we agreed to obey the rules of the game, if one breaks them, it ruins the game for everyone. And I asked - why I can't do it without telling anybody, so nobody knows - and she replied - cause we are the one...

Does this answer your water question?

Thanks Zarm,

It is flattering and touchy. You know I am partial to you, too - so this seems to be mutual at least in this case