"Breaking of the Cross" that tortured innocent Jesus

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   paarsurreyposted 15 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   I think this is the era of "Breaking of the Cross" that tortured innocent Jesus; with reason, rationality, knowledge and Revelation.
   
   The myth that Paul and Church created, “Jesus died a cursed death on Cross”, “Jesus resurrected from the physical dead for the atonement of sinners", and "Jesus ascended to heaven and sat on right hand of God"; all these myth are exposed as this never happened.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think that you are Muslim...
        If you are you do not know your book of prophets very well.

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         paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend Jerami
         
         Do you mean from Prophets Chapter 21 Al-Anbiya' of Quran?
         
         Which verses you point out specifically? Please quote for me.
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I don't know very much concerning the Muslim faith.
            I have spoken to a few. It is my understand that the book of Prophets are much the same as ours, including Isiah & Daniel.
            
              I was lead to believe that Jesus is recognized to be the Messiah (a prophet) that was prophesized to be hung on the cross.
            
              I wasn't aware that this was an issue of disagreement between diffrent scects of Muslims ???

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               paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               HI friends
               
               Differences of opinion do crop up; that is but human; but these could be resolved referring to the root source Quran and understanding from the context.
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Danny R Handposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      One of the cool things about the Bible is that although some things have never been proven, NOTHING has ever been disproven. New or Old testament! So, as to your statement, I say          PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Paar, your ridiculous muslim religion was created by the same type of lying that the Christian religion was created under. Maybe when you understand that Mohammed is as silly as Jesus, then you can talk about being rational. Until then, you are just another hypocrite.

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         SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Nice insult you made here. Is this the best you can do? Why do you even post here? What is your point other than to insult?
         
         How does logic and reason bring you to insult others like you do?

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            marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Why do you post other than to promote your blind faith? I am just writing the logical, you only think it's an insult because it hurts your faith.

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               SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               
               
               You are wrong if you think it hurts my faith. What you wrote was an insult and not logical at all.
               
               Youy only think (believe) it was logical because you like to insult.

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                  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  We will see what is logical on the other thread of mine you responded on if you are brave enough to keep a conversation that challenges your faith.
                  PS: I don't only insult on here, there are a few I admire and have respectable conversation with.

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                     Obscure Divineposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Save your admiration for later; I just got here, as of now.  Ha-ha!

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         paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend marinealways24
         
         I don't agree with you.
         
         I love and respect Jesus, Mary and Muhammad; I never said anything against Jesus and Mary. They were intelligent and wise persons; in fact they were the jewels of the humanity. Humanity should be proud of them.
         
         I never objected to Jesus’ teachings or his deeds; he was one of the perfect human beings called Messenger Prophets of the Creator- God Allah YHWH like Adam or Noah or Jonah.
         It is a fact that Paul very cleverly invented a new religion and named it “Christianity”; it has got nothing to do with Jesus’ teachings or his acts or his deeds.
         
         I am just exposing Paul and his Church so that people may follow truthful Jesus and Mary.
         
         Jesus second coming is just for this purpose so that he may expose the wrong spread by Paul and the Church in “Jesus name” and set them on the truthful path. Jesus second coming is not physical; it is in the same sense as he explained was the coming of Prophet Elijah or Elias from the skies.
         
         So, I am not hypocritical about it; but my stand point is genuine. There is no compulsion for others to agree with me.
         
         I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            You believe you are a prophet don't you?
            
            I think I have a hubpages prophet detector.

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               paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend marinealways24
               
               No; I have no such claim. I believe all the truthful Messengers and Prophets. They were a source of guidance to humanity towards the Creator- God Allah YHWH.
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  If you aren't a messenger, why are you spreading the message over and over?
                  
                  
                  Did mohammed say it's alright to lie?

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                     SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Does your logic tell you to lie?

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                        marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        What have I lied on? I think you want to be a prophet also. Keep spreading the message and have enough faith and maybe you will be granted prophethood.

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                           SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           
                           
                           This shows how much you actually know, which is very little. You lie when you say all beliefs are due to emotions and no evidence. You spread your message while insulting others who spread theirs. Do you need more?
                           
                           Prophethood is not granted due to good works or even being a good person. God calls whom He will. I am not a prophet nor am I a preacher, but I do know God's Word, somewhat.
                           
                           I also seem to recall you starting a thread a few months ago saying that you saw the light and accepted Jesus as your Savior. Just another lie. I can find the thread if I have to, but you know whether anyone else does or not. And marines are supposed ot have honor.

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                              marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              What are you talking about all emotions and no evidence? Where are you pulling this from?
                              
                              Keep spreading the word you think as truth in your hopes of gaining prophethood, maybe your fantasy diety will choose you one day to be a real prophet.
                              
                              Post the thread if you want, I already gave my explanation, it was to show how ignorant faith is without logic. You fail.

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                                 SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                 Post whatever you want, you are still a liar.
                                 
                                 There is never a good reason to lie.

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                                    marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                    Boo hoo.
                                    
                                    You are right, so why do you consistently lie in preaching your ridiculous belief in trying to gain prophethood?

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                                       SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                       Do you see the insults? You admit to lying but yet you insult.
                                       
                                       This is why many will not ever rec ieve the truth. They are afraid to admit they are not perfect. They are afraid to admit they failed. They are afraid to admit they don't know it all.
                                       
                                       They call others liars when they are liars themselves.

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                                          Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                          I'm not perfect, I have failed and admit I don't know it all. That doesn't mean I need your version of a truth, does it?
                                          
                                          Have I lied here?

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   Beelzedadposted 15 years ago

   It's kind of like a beta version of software in its elementary stages, spitting out text using rudimentary commands requiring several versions of upgrades and patches. 

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the laugh Beez!  You are so damn funny sometimes.

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         Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks. The red nose helps.

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      zampanoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      
      with infinite cycles that hijack a lot of CPU
      

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   Jeramiposted 15 years ago

   Isn't everyone that attempts to express their opinions to someone else a messenger of sorts ?
      The question would then be, from where does the message originate?

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      marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      That is a good question Jerami. Maybe it's from the stardust.

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         Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         One mans stardust is another mans porridge.

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   mega1posted 15 years ago

   ah! the good christian imagery!  lights up your life, don't it?

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      SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Which imagery do you mean? Do you mean the imagery of the posts that try to set things right when they are presented wrong?

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   paarsurreyposted 15 years ago

   marinealways24 wrote:
   
   Did mohammed say it's alright to lie?
   
   Paarsurrey says:
   
   Hi friend marinealways24
   
   Muhammad never lied and never told others to lie. I think you have learnt this from hearsay and you believe it.
   
   If you think I have repeated the truth over and over; I have done it with reasons; you may refute it with your rational and reasonable arguments as many time; I won't mind. I know you have no reason with you; only your blind faith and sentiments.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      lol Hearsay. How about seesay. All of you silly religious lie to make your faith sound more real or important than the others. All are ridiculous.

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   marinealways24posted 15 years ago

   SirDentposted 2 minutes agoin reply to this
   Do you see the insults? You admit to lying but yet you insult.
   
   This is why many will not ever rec ieve the truth. They are afraid to admit they are not perfect. They are afraid to admit they failed. They are afraid to admit they don't know it all.
   
   They call others liars when they are liars themselves.
   
   
   
   Do you think preaching your bible morals will get you prophethood?
   
   I admitted to lying to show how ignorant you religious are in believing your faith without logic. That was a while back, you are still obsessing over it. Sorry your faith hasn't recovered. Everyone is a hypocrite at some point, now admit you are a hypocrite and liar for not admitting you are trying to gain prophethood.

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      SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      Now you make excuses. I admit to being a hypocrite at times. I admit to being a liar before. I admit to doing many things that are morally wrong.
      
      This is where you fail. You think you are morally superior. I am not obsessing over it, I am calling you out on it just as you do others.
      
      As I said before, until, you can  see that you are not perfect in your own mind, you will never know the truth.
      
      I am still waiting to hear about the honor marines have.

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         marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         lol Morally superior? Morals are an illusion. They do not exist in reality. They are only there to make you think you are a superior animal, you are the one that buys into it with your religion, not me. Who is the hypocrite?
         
         lol What is your religious illusion of the truth? That we are all flawed till we accept your silly jesus? Predictable. Get a new book, I have already read your old one. Where is your honor in not admitting you are a wannabe prophet?

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            SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            
            You are an ass on top of being a liar. I have nothing more to say to you. Before I tried to defend you somewhat even though I knew you were wrong but I see why so many went against what you did.
            
            If the honor you display is the honor that marines have, I want nothing to do with them. Just go your way and be whatever you wanna be.

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               marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

               You wanted my attention, I gave it to you. Maybe you shouldn't have asked for it if you didn't want it. Make sense? lol Tried to defend me?
               You aren't capable of defending your own self or belief, work from the inside before you try to be a prophet on the outside. What is your honor, not admitting you want to be a prophet along with bringing up past events that you obsess over to gain an advantage in an Internet forum argument?

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                  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Logic sucks huh?

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                     mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Still waiting for your logical reply as to why we need the sun to live  .
                     
                     Why does the planet revolves around its axis .
                     why this particular speed or rotation.
                     
                     Why does it revolve around the sun.
                     
                     Lets just start with these and then I will  ask you many more questions.
                     
                     If you cannot answer these questions logically then please grow up.

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                        paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        Hi friends
                        
                        I think our friend marinealways24 should answer these question or he should answer that he cannot answer these questions. Then our friend Mohitmisra should answer, it would be fair enough.
                        
                        Thanks
                        
                        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   Rod Marsdenposted 15 years ago

   There is no arguing with what Christians believe when it comes to Jesus. It is in the bible and if they didn't believe in the bible they wouldn't be Christians. If you are not a Christian you can of course believe what you like about Jesus.
   
   There is some historic evidence that Jesus was crucified. After that event the historic records are not very clear. It isn't even all that clear where Jesus was laid to rest. The holy sepulchre is but one of two possible sites. Both are marked by having no body within.
   
   As for the guilt of the Jews in the crucifixion, it is often forgotten that crucifixion is a Roman form of execution. Back then Jews stoned criminals to death. In order to have a crucifixion for Jesus the Roman governor had to be in agreement.

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   paarsurreyposted 15 years ago

   Rod Marsden wrote:
   
   As for the guilt of the Jews in the crucifixion, it is often forgotten that crucifixion is a Roman form of execution. Back then Jews stoned criminals to death. In order to have a crucifixion for Jesus the Roman governor had to be in agreement
   
   Paarsurrey says:
   
   Jews also used it:
   
   Deuteronomy 21:22   
   When a man hath committed a crime for which he is to be punished with death, and being condemned to die is hanged on a gibbet:
   
   Josue 10:26   
   And Josue struck, and slew them, and hanged them upon five gibbets, and they hung until the evening.
   
   http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?t=1&q … &b=drb
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      chakranirposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Peace friends!
      Don't you think all these postings are futile to change one's beliefs?
      Let's live happily without hurting others' emotions. Once you dive deep into your beliefs, neither you would like to disturb nor to be perturbed. Rather you will be oblivious of all kind or unkind opinions flying around.
      I think breaking one's head over the cross that tortured Jesus is quite insignificant in comparison to breaking all barriers to adopt and proclaim his messages of love and peace.

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         paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         "his (Jesus') messages of love and peace."
         
         Jesus' Message of peacef and love could be understood more clearly and loudly if one first knows the facts of his life; that he did not die a cursed death on Cross. He spread his message of peace and love in India; as they persecuted him in Judea and did not listen to him.
         
         The message is that there should be no compromise on Truth even at the risk of one's life; the the Creator- God Allah YHWH does help and one succeeds.
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend chakranir
         
         Breaking of Cross does not mean breaking the wood of which the Cross is made. Paul cleverly carved a god-head for Jesus making it up that Jesus died on the Cross. Jesus did not die on Cross; the arguments which prove that he did not die on Cross break the mythical Cross Paul built. Paul himself admits that if Jesus did not die on Cross then Christianity is futile; as a religion it finishes.
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Rod Marsdenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The examples given don't sound much like crucifixion to me paarsurrey. Hanging is not crucifixion.  It has been common practice in the past to leave a hanged man in place of execution for a long time as a reminder to others not to commit the same crime. In England during the middle ages a man  might hang by the neck until his flesh rots from his bones. Again this is grim but not crucifixion.

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         paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend Rod Marsden
         
         Deuteronomy 21:22   
         When a man hath committed a crime for which he is to be punished with death, and being condemned to die is hanged on a gibbet:
         
         Torah is very elaborate; cucifixion is death on Cross; if one does not die on Cross and escapes death; then he is not crucified; it is in this sense that Quran says that the Jews could not kill or crucify Jesus. Jesus did not die on cross.
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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