I have no opinion as its one myth in exchange for the next, but feel free to voice your opinions here.
did aliens put us here?
no
think about it. if you created a whole species wouldn't you want it to know you and see you and everything? yet there are no aliens around that i can see...
Umm I am not convinced that some of my fellow 'humans' could not be aliens themselves! Bloody weird people out there!
Have you ever thought this was just a big mistake?
Unless they're studying us and don't want to ruin the experiment.
I mean, we do that when we study animals in the wild.
This is one of those "beg the question" questions.
How did the aliens originate?
Actually, disbarring the incredibly unlikeliness of interstellar travel, we have too much in common with the living things of our planet to be alien. In that sense, all living things on earth had to have been deposited here by aliens.
It would only have needed anything almost alive and it would have evolved to something like we have today. A kind of alien ejaculation maybe ?
something strange was flying up the sky that's for sure. Many people saw it. Just saying these UFOs do appear. They could be a hundred things that are from an earthly source. So I'm just saying I saw some weird object the same time other people did.I don't know what it is. hence the name Unidentified Flying Object. Was it alien? I don't know.
When I was about 4, I saw ball lightning too. It was a giant ball of fire that came down from the sky and I remember my nanny pulling my hand just in time and asked me "what was that?" For the longest time I thought it was something else until I saw a special in Discovery about ball lightning. It was very very weird because just as it touched my finger, it became smoke.
It turns out that ball lightning is from gasses that come from the earth that suddenly for some reason caught fire. and they do just disappear when the gas has been consumed by fire.
Ever heard of Stealth Blimp? or the Black project?
What you have seen may not necessarily be an alien technology!
Which is why she said "They could be a hundred things that are from an earthly source."
Anything is possible. WE could be one giant controlled experiment. That would explain why we haven't been contacted yet. Aliens (if they exist) are able to interact with us without us knowing. Therefore they can introduce things like religion in order to observe its long term effect.
If you refer to Aliens as living beings that are not of this world, they could be (God and his Angels). Again anything is possible.
I think that the history of our species may be much stranger than we can ever know. There are so many odd things that show up if you explore the authors that write about " Forbidden Archelogy". We need a time machine so we can go back and check out what actually happened in the past. Of course maybe we do in the future and our future selfs are checking out what we are doing. The theory of alternate universes gives us another possibility to think about. So many possibilities!!!!!
You ask if aliens put us here?
Who created the aliens then?
there are many different answers to that question including who created universe question...neither religion , nor science answers it is most satisfying way...since there has to be starting point..religion says it is god...but who created god?..answer was always there..is it satisfying answer?.No...is it logical answer?. No. so it is endless questioning scenario...
If you are suggesting it was a god, what created the god then?
Ah. So true!
The only explanation is that there is one ultimate Being who began the entire process or from whom the entire process originated.
Remember Genesis.
but that is not an explanation...it is assumption...
It is Faith based on fact.
The fact is that no one has ever come up with concrete scientific proof. What's left but simple Faith?
What's left without the god myth?
How about thousands of interlocking peer reviewed scientific processes. All the theories that have to tie together across several sciences to be accepted as reasonably proved.
Science is getting closer to absolute answers every day.
Absolute truth? As opposed to believing in a fairy did it all because a book written by some control freak goat herders 2,000 years ago?
Do you accept all of the OT as truth Brenda?
Ah genesis, the source of lots of nonsense, and ridiculous events like this.
Noah, a man of the soil, was the first to plant a vineyard. He drank some of the wine and became drunk, and he lay uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness. When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him, he said, "Cursed be Canaan; lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers." He also said, "Blessed by the Lord my God be Shem; and let Canaan be his slave. May God make space for Japheth, and let him live in the tents of Shem; and let Canaan be his slave." (Genesis 9:20-27 NRSV)
Enslavement for nonsense!
Not too much omnipotence showing here!
Ham mocked his father instead of covering his nakedness.
That's the way I read it anyway.
So, earnest, you think there should be no punishment for mocking one's father? Just as there should be no punishment for mocking the heavenly Father?
In addition to this explanation, I have these questions----how did Noah know that Ham had "uncovered his nakedness"?
Perhaps he simply was told by his sons what happened.
Or..
Could it be that Ham actually performed sodomy or some other sexual act upon his father?
While I'm more inclined to believe that Ham simply mocked his father's undignified status, it does make me entertain the question...
You search for ways to discount the Word of God, while I search for the true meaning in it.
I have learned to read what is written and see the madness of a god that would solve all the problems he has with his own creation by using primitive punishments, death and horrific violence for some strange reason.
Yet you bow down to society's laws, correct?
Not exactly! I live in a free society and most of the rules are beaut! Do I have to be anti-social to be able to think for myself? I don't do a lot of bowing down the way I see it.
So bowing down would improve my life the way you see it? The way I see it, it's your god, you bow down to it.
not what i was getting at. A person who doesn't like rules, is prone to each time when he encounters a rule, start to negotiate with it. Compromise is the only way a rule hater can bear to be under the rule. Rules are an enemy to rule haters. Oh yah some rules are good but some rules are bad and the rule hater is the only one who can draw the lines of good and bad.
So the bible is full of rules.
why wouldn't a rule hater hate the bible, look at all the rules. lol
Submission is a big part of christianity. We take our self nature and the part that hates rules and we lay it aside and we allow God to... whatevs eh.
When will someone wake up and see his nakedness? Or he needs another revelation other than the Genesis?
Aliens definitely had something to do with my existence. Reason I know this is that they send me daily messages thru my water heater instructing me on everyday life.
Aliens could have only put the first replicating molecule to start the biological evolution. Other than that the rest of it is history...
If not, the explanation is simpler: No one put us here. No one put itself there (god(s)). No aliens being put by some being.
We search for a being because we're a 'being'.
But, we, ourselves could create life on another planet after a long advancement. And, we wouldn't need to experiment on these living beings.
That is just could become:
"Seeding life everywhere in the universe. If we believe, it's the most precious thing."
That humanity may have been an experiment in biotechnology is an increasingly popular theory. It's no more silly than any more traditional theory, as if you look at the diversity of life - plant, animal, insect - and look at how the weather systems of other planets effect Earth's and vice versa, and how the stars, planets (and currently unknown quantities) of this universe interact, then to dismiss everything as the product of a random accident seems short sighted.
But the aliens theory merely relocates the same old questions:- where did the aliens come from, where are they now, how did they evolve or were they created by other aliens (and if so, what in turn were their origins.)
exactly, it does just put the entire burden of explanation to a new set of myths.
Regardless of what your beliefs are concerning evolution or crearion, Who is to say that THAT did not happen long ago,
and they evolved intelectually,traveled to other planets as our civilization may some day accomplish,and Colonize there.
Imagine us doing this. Then an earth event happens such as an ice age that kills everything on earth. Would we not re-seed life on earth.
Why there would not be communication between these two worlds?? Who knows?
The general thinking that I remember reading vaguely is NO - because with the trillions of star systems with planets, the possibility that life is only here is ridiculous. Some planets that we know would be suitable for life similar to earth have been around billions of years longer than us. If it could have been done they would be on the phone already.
Some might say they've been shouting down the phone since the 1950s at least, with UFOs and crop circles etc.
I would have thought that if they could get across interstellar space they would have at least a megaphone and shout - rather than running round and round in the corn as a means of communication ?
I essentially have no opinion either, if they did put us here - I'm ready to beam back up to the mother ship
first I'll ask if its true that they like strawberry ice cream and if they have some aboard.
from the fancies of men to personify forces of the consciousness.
Invading forces attempting to assert control over the natives transitioned their earlier simpler "chthonic" gods into the now known Greek pantheon.
Ancient text are littered with suggestions that support the theory of extralterestrial life.
To say that Einstiens theories of faster then light travel are unbreakable ignore theories such as interdimensional travel and the bending of space time.
One must be careful when considering the aspect of ET. For example the Heavens Gate incident. Perhaps...just speculating, a technologically advanced civilization would consider the pyscological impact on an un-advanced culture to be dangerous. Remember that advanced technology leads also to advanced enlightenment and other sciences, pshycology etc.
Teri
This thread has me thinking about David Icke now
He reckons the aliens are here now, shape shifters, lizard men
Crazy as it sounds its fun to wonder about this and that person (mainly politicians!)
But if aliens have been Trying to contact us with crop circles and ufos then surely they would have the forsite to just land all over the place and say hi. Unless they can't because of getting infected by our viruses etc. No telling what a cold would do to them and vice versa.
Seems like if they were clever enough to travel here and even want to speak to us (personally I wouldn't) then they would have some kind of plan to stop them messing things up. Like in startrek with the prime directive.
You really only have to go to your bus shelter to see why aliens wouldn't bother with humans untill all the species were enlightend to a steven hawkings level.
As far as aliens making us then I don't see why not. We do it now with genetic engineering. But you'd think that if they were experimenting then where are all the other test subjects. You would think they would keep them close by each other, unless of course space and time mean nothing to them. xxxx
we come from france?
to suggest 'alien' is to say an unknown or very little known entity.
the classic-romantic theories put a nice spin on it though. Intergalactic Warlord space cowboys and little people with big heads and eyes (never could grasp why) to angelic beings, of the purest fire, able to commit themselves to human form.
Interesting enough most renditions of alien are either human looking or resemble animals of this planet, or even a seaweed mop (for those who recall Sigmund who befriended two surfer dudes from La Jolla back in the `70s) as well as the Loch Ness monster who is -to some- Satan serpent while others a water dragon fallen from the stars as guardian of the Abyss.
I haven't heard that theory on the Loch Ness monster Twenty-one...interesting, this could explain many supernatural events, ghosts, angels...bigfoot. LOL
Teri
How else could the actor get the mask on his head and see out through the eye holes ? thank old movies and tv for that type of alien.
I agree alternate; however more and more scientist are looking for extraterestrial life on a more cellulare and microbiological level.
If you notice, more and more movies and television shows are mimicking these examples. ET viruses etc.
yes I do and did - the reason is, that if they find any life anywhere else, then it is a pretty sure bet it is all over the universe.
I'm afraid I am a little biased on the subject of extraterestrial life, I married into a family of military pilots.
Teri
I knew military pilots were strange but I didn't know they were aliens - but it does explain a lot
Not exactly what I meant, but I'm constantly telling my husband to use his oxygen more...LOL
This is always an interesting theory because of so many variables involved. There is the "Noah's Ark" theory where the ark is a spaceship lifeboat from a doomed planet, filled with enough diverse genetic material to populate a new planet with all manner of lifeforms.
Or perhaps we are merely one of many planets which have been seeded by more highly advanced beings. Our planet is very young compared to millions of other suitable planets in our own galaxy. So it isn't unreasonable to assume life forming on at least some of them.
Imagine how another civilization, only a thousand years more advanced than ours, might have solved the problems of interstellar travel. Just because we cannot envision such technology doesn't mean it isn't possible.
As far as the "aliens" not making themselves known to us, perhaps we are "off limits" to visitors because of the impact this would have on our entire world civilization.
The religious followers would be devastated and of course, our world economy and governments would be worthless in the face of a much more powerful civilization. Technology shock would be too much to soon for many of us. Just a few reasons.
Fun to think about, though!
perhaps we are "off limits" to visitors
racist "snake" aliens or construction zone? (just thought of HG to the Galaxy).
how do Randy?
Doing great, 21! Contemplating goin' fishing at the moment. Beautiful weather here!
Love the whole " how we got here" discussion. Loads of possibilities!
Well just yesterday, in National Geographic, my husband woke me and said, hey this is your sh--! as he sleepily handed my the iPad. So I read it.
New evidence suggests that black holes are not singularities but worm holes (an old theory dating back say 20 years or so). It is the basis of many a sci-fi flick involving interfacing with aliens.
The article was titled, "Is our universe inside a black hole?"
This means that aliens can indeed possibly access our solar system.
a summary is in this link:
http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/4 … -physicist
Of course I have never seen an alien. So once again this is the stuff of myths, of what could be and if, what ifs.
lol, I love the first comment at that link:
"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, and we are all one conscience sharing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are an imagination of ourselves... here's Tom with the weather."
The lyrics at the beginning of Third Eye by Tool - awesome! haha, I love Tool, I did a Cha Cha to this song at a Spotlight with my ballroom dance school
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qSOhaV3-is
I really don't have an opinion either way, just keep my mind open to whatever...seriously, haven't we all met those people we are sure are from another planet
I always enjoyed the "Original Series" the most. I have all of their movies, shows, and even the damn Animated Series!
I own all of TOS and TNG, movies 2, 3 and 4, and as I've said before, I totally have a character crush on Spock haha
TOS and TNG were very different shows with very different captains, I like them both equally, but for different reasons. DS9 was boring until the war started, but it's nothing compared to TOS and TNG. I hated the captain in Voyager. For some reason I just didn't like that she was was a she lol. I haven't seen Enterprise, it was on TV around the time I didn't have one, and I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I haven't seen the Animated Series either.
I've read a lot of the books - that's when you know you are a Trekkie, you've read the books haha
Did you read the comics that came out before the newest movie to maintain continuity? lol
...Never read the comics, but I still have some books in the closet that I haven't read yet, either. Hell, I even have a Star Trek Encyclopedia book...ha-ha! I'm borderline Trekkie due to the required specifications to be such, but there is so many other sci-fi type stuff out there, that I like. Plus, I'm partial to the '60s & '70s, even though it was before my time, simply because TV was better back then. Oh, I also have all of the Twilight Zone shows as well; totally kick ass flicks with a twist.
Mark always said the writer of star trek was ahead of his time. The show had cheap props but very important to the world we live in. IE: cell phones, computers, space travel and many more. The writer included many actors who represented most every race. The list goes on and on.
Indeed! It sort of relates to when many people think certain individuals are crazy/loco/insane at the time, but later on, they find out just how much insight they actually had intertwined.
Agreed!
What is considered "Alien" to most of y'all, is just another level of existence to some of us aware beings/folks. Of course, there is life elsewhere besides this beautiful blue planet. Who made who, doesn't matter, as we all dock into a capsule of life - in whatever form, in an endless fashion, from "time" to "time." ...Oh, but isn't it grand, though, eh? We all come from one source of energy, exploring from the inside out, in a perpetuity of variation due to imagination and something that we often call "consciousness"... Fun-fun...
Absolutely however they placed not put us here. Very gentle species til you eat their peanuts, just so ya know.
I'm back, Mark informed me he's doing a hub on the history of Star Trek, the tv show.
Aliens didn't put me here. I rode in from Neptune on my own space-craft.
An alien from outer space could be at anyplace at anytime, and may look like nothing that you have ever seen. Perhaps around 16" from top to bottum and that would rotate, spin slowly in position not staying in a completley fixed form, but to your eye may look as a very large slug, slightly wet. Who knows?
Hmm, you should write more science fiction lightning j, you have what it takes. Vivid and wild thoughts. I'm checking your hubs today
I would like to share a hub link from one of RKHenry's hubs. He writes on this very subject matter. And, it is beautifully written. However, it really makes you think about things. It is called Exploring Ancient Aliens. The hub link is http://hubpages.com/hub/Ancient-Aliens
It is really a must read. He brings out a lot of interesting side points.
I might also add that RK isn't a freak or anything like that. He is a highly intelligent hubber here. I just think his hub speaks volumes on this subject matter, and gives an enlightening perspective.
I think they were aiming for Mars but the damn GPS thingy was on the fritz!
You'd think if aliens had seeded the Earth for the purposes of its producing complex life it wouldn't have had to "simmer" for a billion years (literally) before anything multicellular turned up.
You'd figure if there were interested in having a chat, they'd have one.
You'd figure if these omnipotent space gods declared to themselves that earth was off-limits and we weren't supposed to have any contact with them then we wouldn't ever see 'em. All the reported alien encounters have to be something else.
...and then an elaborate list of reasons starts cropping up why those things shouldn't be so. Sort of how like there's an elaborate list of reasons why an omnipotent god who loves me and wants me to know about him can't just drop in on some weekly gaming or something.
IntamatEvolution, I have the book Chariots of The God's and Eric Von Danigin does make some interesting points. A book everone should read.
If you like his book you should be watching ancient aliens on the history channel, great show. I think ever side makes a few points that make sence. As a human race we cant handle the truth to hoe we got here, thats why its fun to speculate.
earnestshub wrote
Ah genesis, the source of lots of nonsense, and ridiculous events like this.
Noah, a man of the soil, was the first to plant a vineyard. He drank some of the wine and became drunk, and he lay uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness. When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him, he said, "Cursed be Canaan; lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers." He also said, "Blessed by the Lord my God be Shem; and let Canaan be his slave. May God make space for Japheth, and let him live in the tents of Shem; and let Canaan be his slave." (Genesis 9:20-27 NRSV)
Enslavement for nonsense!
Not too much omnipotence showing here!
==========================
There would have to be more to this story than is told.
Something other than JUST looking upon the nakedness of his father had to have happened or else how would Noah have known that he had been LOOKED UPON, while he was in a drunken stupor?
Perhaps a little graffiti written across his chest? Don't think so?
Did you miss the point as others do Jeremi?
The focus should be on the madness of these biblical punishments and the hate behind them.
I do get your point...
These are just stories written of men.
And they should be understood as such.
But this in itself doesn't totally discount the possibility of an event that sparked the tale.
You know what is said about smoke? It came from something?
It sure did! Worship of the sun originally.
I can't play in here all day today; though it might be fun.
Gotta put the gas tank back on my truck this AM.
Got the brushes for the wife's alternator on her car yesterday. After that I gotta knock something? off of my
honey-do book. "TO DO" list keeps getting bigger.
See ya when I can.
Take it easy there Jeremi.
The gas tank is a 2 man job unless you can find a decent lever.
Coffee cup in in the sink.. got my shoes no and going out the door.
Yes I had to use a floor jack to get er down.
poured the gas out of it so won't be too bad getting it back in place.
the hardest part was seeing the connections well enough to know how they disconnect. Now I know so it shouldn't take long to connect it back up.
By the time that I have to do it again I will have forgotten how and will have to learn all over again.
It's a b****ch getting old... but beats the alternative I guess.
Yep! I keep thinking I'm 18, but my body reckons I'm 100. Cheers Jeremi.
I just took a look at a faucet replacement.
We had trouble with the aerator - minor, but annoying. After several tries,Moen sent us a whole new faucet - lifetime guarantee, good reason to buy Moen.
But I went underneath with a flashlight and it is awful tight up in there. I stuck my camera under and took some shots and honestly I can't see how I can do this. It really doesn't even look possible!
Fortunately I still have much more money than mechanical skills, so I'll just have to hire someone to do it. I hate being that incompetent, but it's not worth making things worse.
So I'll stay here to argue with you while you are off fixing the car.
Sometimes it turns out that I wish I had not tried to do it.
I hate kitchen sink faucets. I usually disconnect the supply lines at the shut off valves. Unscrew two BIG nuts that hold the sink in place pull the faucet& hoses up through the top.
There is a special wrench for reaching up to unscrew the nuts. Looks like a little monkey wrench with a swivel on the end of an extension.
But if you have the money it is better to feed the economy, and hire someone to do it. Especially if you don't have to miss a days pay in order to stay home and let him/her do it.
Well, the Judaic god was obviously a storm god.
True. They worshiped things that threatened them as well as those things that supported them like the sun and rain.
There have been more bible-like stories than I've had hot dinners.
That's such a fascinating idea. I don't think it really even calls biblical teaching into question (necessarily). The idea isn't that the aliens are god or anything, just that we might not always have been a race located on Earth.
Maybe the Garden of Eden was on Mars?
...some think that life may have flown in on an asteroid.
Problem comes when the damned thing hits the earth at an incredible speed. The heat generated at explosion should destroy any life on it...Ah but there are species of bacteria that have adapted to extreme temperatures and are alive and well on earth now...could it be????? Isn't imagination interesting?
I hope we survive long enuf to find out.
Qwark
Is this still going on???? Just admit there are aliens and move on....GEEEEZ!!!
It is said that asteroids carry amino acids, which is very important in the developement of life. So when they crash into earth the amino acids go to work on evloution, bam we're humans. It's a lot more complicated, but I'm not explaining it. Watch the Universe on History Channel.
That is one of the possibilities, but if you are saying aliens dropped us off on earth, I would have to say no. It just doesn't make any sense.
I reckon you have the theory about right Mikeydoes, We are stardust.
Yeah, we certainly are stardust, or something like it. We are made out of who knows how many little particles, and then whatever makes them up(and maybe them). It really intrigues me, I love watching TV with things on space and trying to look into our DNA.
It is pretty awesome and really gives you a sense of what life is about. At least for me that is, not being religious, exploring space and DNA is about as close to spirituality I personally get.
Double edged question. Yes and No. This is a true statement. Aliens not actually. They are from here. They're close relatives of man. Gotta crawl before you learn to hyper space, you know.
Does anyone watch the Ancient Alien series on History Channel?
I have to admit, most of the time I am highly intrigued at their theories and answers.
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