BIBLE INSPIRATION,WE GOD INSPIRED HIS WORD 2TIMOHY3:16 ALL SCRIPTURES IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD AND IS PROFITABLE FOR DOCTRINE,FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION,AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.GOD USE THE HUMAN WRITTERS TO WRITE DOWN HIS HOLY WORD.HE DID NOT USE THE UNSAVED TO WRITE HIS WORD ,BUT HE USE THE HOLY MEN OF GOD,SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVE BY THE HOLY GHOST.2PETER 1:21FOR THE PROPHECY CAME NOT IN THE OLD TIME BY THE WILL OF MEN BUT HOLY MEN OF GOD SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVE BY THE HOLY GHOST.GOD ALLOW HIS WORD TO US SO WE CAN SEARCH HI WORD ,STUDY,AND TO KNOW WE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS.JOHN 5:39SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES...GOD'S WORD IS PRESERVED PSALMS12:6,7 AND IS PURIFIED ,AND EVERLASTING.PSALMS119:160AL.HEAVEN AND EARTH WILL PASS AWAY BUT THE WORD OF GOD SHALL NOT PASS AWAY MATTHEW 24:35
This is all a LIE! You have no way of verifying any of this nonsense. Why should I base anything on this distorted, absurd, childish view of reality? Please validate your claims, but don't use scripture. Could you do that? If not, then you are wasting our time.
Look at where you are in forums - "Bible Inspiration" if you had not noticed You are wasting mjanes time duh!
I thought mjane had some proof of this claim. I'm looking for proof. Is it inappropriate to be inquisitive? I'd like to see these extraordinary claims backed up with real evidence. Don't put the onus on me, just because I happened to enter this forum to learn something.
Reread your post - that is an inquiring mind?
This is all a LIE! You have no way of verifying any of this nonsense. Why should I base anything on this distorted, absurd, childish view of reality? Please validate your claims, but don't use scripture. Could you do that? If not, then you are wasting our time.
blah, blah,blah!
I see nothing wrong with my statement. I simply disagreed with the opening statement, but asked for validation. I'm just being logical. I see some people have a problem when it comes to reasonable questions. All mjane needs to do is validate the claims. And, of course, the bible can't be used, because of obvious reasons.
I guess you would prefer that I abdicate my mind, and accept anything as reality. Imagine that!
Silly me...it hadn't occurred to me that you could inquire without words like nonsense, distorted, absurd, childish
Inquiring might have been worded something like this:
"I do not understand how you arrived at that conclusion. Why should I accept your point of view? I doubt you can supply evidence I would accept, so I don't know why I am even bothering you."
See the difference? Doubt you'll admit it.
Ok. So maybe I should work on tact. But, still, would I have gotten a logical answer, or the same old nonsensical responses based solely on faith?
Understand, h.a.borcich, I respect no premise that is not based in reality. And it is hard to respect a person when they are spewing this nonsense, because, to be honest, it looks quite ridiculous for a grownup to have such a view of reality.
I'm questioning the reason for his faith, and he has nothing but faith, that's all he has. That's not enough in the real world.
Thank you for recognizing the wording could have been more tactful. And I agree it would not have changed the answer, which leads me to my next question.
This thread is in "bible inspiration" obviously a post intended to other christians for discussion. If this was a thread on "what is the reason you do not have faith" - I could see you asking the OP to answer the why of their faith. It looks like anything christian is sought out by anything atheist to cause conflict. Why is that?
Like some other nonbelievers here, I was once a devout believer. My father was a Pentacostal minister, and I had to go to church every Sunday. I was saved at an early age, and believed that Jesus was this magical and wonderful being.
Years ago, I would have joined you in your attack on the reasonable responses from Earnest, Mark, and Qwark, but that all changed when I decided to be intellectually honest. Believers are intellectually dishonest. We continue to try, in vain, to point this out.
You know this God is not about love and peace and such, but you still try to forge ahead with this perception of an all loving entity, when most of your bible is in stark contradiction to benevolence. There are way too many silly activities taking place in the bible for any honest person to believe--for example, the resurrection, the virgin birth, the talking snake, parting the sea, talking burning bushes, Noah's Ark, the creation story, etc. I know these things can't happen, but if I support them just because everyone else does, it still makes me intellectually dishonest, which is comparable to being an accomplish in a lie.
Thanks for sharing some of your background. It helps to understand who you are. And you seem to have your heart in the right place - apparently wanting to help people be better people.
But to me it makes little sense.
Yes I am a believer, but I don't run about trying to convert anyone to believe what I do. Perhaps other believers think that is a failure on my part as a christian, but isn't your crusade to enlighten the "intellectually dishonest" just as obnoxious as shoving religion down someones throat?
I do believe this God is love. As a parent I loved my son enough to have proper consequences for making poor choices, etc. That does not make me a less loving parent. As far as the "other silly activities taking place in the bible" - perhaps it is intellectually dishonest, but I do believe them to be true. I simply do not posess "proof" at the moment which I can live with.
I just find it hard to believe that it would bother you, Mark, Earnest and Qwark enough that the constant verbal bullying dished out at believers is justified. That is what I am vocal with - standing up to the bullys who can't see I and other believers are still people who simply disagree. Heck I haven't even attacked a single thing about what you do or don't believe It is disturbing to think your crusade could be construed as "intellectually honest". Stop trying to save everyone and there would be less conflict.
On another thread you aslso stated that you were filled with the Holy Ghost. Is this true and if so, did you speak in tongues?
I did all of the crazy stuff that "Holy-Rollers" do.
Me too! I was a right god-botherin bible bashin barn stormin loony for about three years there as well!
Tell me how you could have been filled with the Holy Ghost, and now you say none of it is real.
Hard to believe, huh? It's all in the mind. I was once speaking in tongues, and realized it was me, and not some magical spirit. The language was coming from inside my head. I didn't want to accept, at that time, that I was being dishonest.
My mother was so devout she thought that if she wore makeup or trousers, she would be a bad woman, and go to hell, so she never did.
Furthermore, my whole family was saved, but we never had any prayers answered. I began to notice this, as a teenager.
I began to ask God if He was real. No answer. I asked God to appear. Didn't happen. I had many one way conversations with God, with never any input or effort from God to communicate. God appeared to be extremely baffling or just dumb. It was frightening to accept the inevitable, but it is true. There Is No God! That is the only explanation for all the times I prayed and got no answers, or asked God to appear and got ignored. Talking to God, felt like talking to a ceiling, no! it is actually talking to the ceiling, because the celing is the only thing up there.
the truth of God never lie,and if lie there is no GOD TODAY,so because it is true there is GOD and His word is true...
what sort of reply is that! Proof? Evidence? Anything?
I thought the topic, "Bible Inspiration", was intriguing. However, as soon as I read your opening comment, or tried to read it, I stopped after the first two words.
If you want people to pay attention to you, start with using upper and lower case and no caps.
Whatever your message was, I had no patience to read through it while being shouted at. Why should I respect you by reading your words when you have no respect for me, as shown by your all-caps delivery?
Hi friends
Bible was not written with inspiration; it has been written by persons who deserted Jesus; so there is no inspiration invloved; only their vested interest.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
Other than the part about Jesus, the same can be said about the Quran.
Hi friends
Jesus did receive inspiration as well as revelation from the Creator-God Allah YHWH; but that has been lost by the Christians as they did not follow Jesus; they follow Paul and the Church with made up gospels.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
No offense, but it was difficult interpreting your words. Spellcheck is a good suggestion and also not posting in all caps. The Holy Spirit whispers to the heart and mind - not yells. Also, let's reign in the use of the word "saved" and "unsaved." These terms are dangerous and anyone professing absolute knowledge of who is and is not "saved" is assuredly subject to blind judgment and the magnification of pride. Teach and proclaim good clean living and not damnation of the soul. The "fire and brimstone" affect places one on a false plateau above another and gives a condescending tone. Anything that fosters harsh feelings or hatred is not of God and should be avoided.
Just a few suggestions.
I like what you say here, goldenpath. This is the very thing that causes finger pointing from nonbelievers.
But there is a message in the OP's post. A positive. But remember, positives can be turned into negatives by some.
What about where God warns the Israelites about thinking they're better than others because they have the true word of God - but their scribes have handled it falsely?
God DID inspire men to give messages but I think the same thing happened then as happens now. A man gives the message, it's found to be truly from God so then everyone believes (and sometimes the man himself) that EVERYTHING the guy says from then on is from God. That leads to serious problems.
I hear you. Man has a propensity and the capacity to corrupt absolutely. I never understood how so many followed blindly the tv preachers back in the 80's. To me there was a problem when their lives and words fail to add up to what they said the rest of us should be doing. Personally, I rely on my relationship with Jesus to help me navigate - mankind is too selfserving. JMHO
It is time for christians and all bible bashers to do a bit of reading in ancient history.
Christianity is recycled rubbish. It is a Jewish reworking of ancient Pagan myths of the dying and resurrecting Godman Osiris-Dionysus that was spread across ancient Mediterranean.
Paganism by another name. The gospel story of Jesus is not the biography of an historical Messiah, it is the retelling of an ancient myth.
Anyone care to challenge that or do we get the usual denial without reading history?
Come on christians, blow my mind!
it is time for you to read the word of God for now,while you are alive...
Why? Were you thinking of trying to kill me?
Why should you think it is time for me to read ancient history? Oh, forgot - YOU are on a crusade to shove that garbage you believe down my throat! You forget I am fine as I am. Why should I respond to your challenge? Why do you think it is my job to blow your mind?
I bet you put this much tenacity into converting souls while you were a believer - that must be the reason you behave as you do. You assume every believer must be as you were!
Listen carefully - you are the zealot insulting and trying to "save souls"! I merely stood up to you. Seriously you have a problem.
Go listen to the crickets. Or enjoy a late dinner as I did. Golly - even that got you bent out of shape.
Or you could make history and address the truth of this history!
Easier this way eh?
Your credibility is gone, and you won't look at it will you? So be it! You miss history in school or just terrified of knowing?
I agree with h.a.
Insults, belittling and bullying say a lot about one's character. I think I'm going to avoid these religious forums. I enjoy the exchange of views, but the boorish behavior is off putting.
Peace
Is it only bad when you are disagreed with? H.A has been abusing everyone who does not share her views, even taking onboard remarks that were not directed to her like the one above but that is OK is it?
SirDent and I disagree, as do many others but do not resort to personal attacks.
Look back through the posts. Not a very balanced view I suspect.
I generally don't feel good after being in exchanges like this. I can't imagine how anyone would.
It's too easy to get drawn into the frey and just add to the negativity. Apologies for any offensive behavior of my own. (The worst behavior is often done in the name of self defense, it seems to me.)
Wishing you all peace.
Nothing further to say on this? You seem to have got a very lopsided view going on the post you chose to reply to of H.A's, which as I said was not even directed at her.
I have been posting here a long time, and still do not see why religionists can tell others they are going to hell in a basket, and don't see the abuse in that.
Genuine questions are seldom addressed, they are replied to with pointless bible quotes that are seldom even related, scientific questions ignored, historic truth with accompanying evidence is ignored, not even enough decency to keep it honest or make an effort to answer issues which are ignored simply because they are not religious.
Very poor form from religionists in my view.
Earnest,
You enter every christianity and christian living thread and pee on it as you laugh and ridicule christians. When asked why you do it you claim you have every right to post on any thread. It is a right you obviously think is reserved for a select few as you can also claim a christian is out of line for posting in defense of what they believe. You are a walking, talking, spouting bull dust double standard!
Not once have I told you or anyone else on these forums you are going to hell much less in a handbasket - but you claim it is true. I have stated I believe in heaven and hell. Big difference there. Based on that alone I am confident any truth is not recognizable to you.
Your demands I and others accept a challenge for proof (and only the kind of proof you accept) are just demands for a playground fight. You are too ignorant to hear any christian telling you they don't have to fight you to win the right to be on the playground! The ignorance you display is far more telling of you than anything. You dish out the harassment like an angry 5 year old, then expect christians to accomodate your tirades!
There is no reasoning with you. After you pee on some ones belief, you laugh, run to the next thread and pee some more. When you get called on it, you play the playground fight scenario. When it doesn't happen as you hope - you then act like you have won. It is your fear that makes you behave this way and it prevents any serious discussion. You do not want a civil discussion otherwise you would promote civil discussion. No - you cannot be reasoned with.
Get over yourself, act civil. Maybe if you post about what about atheism you believe in rather than trouncing on what others believe that you don't you will be viewed differently. If you have to step on other people (christians) to elevate yourself Earnest, you should find some therapy. It is similar to the mindset of domestic violence abuser. I am serious as a heart attack.
Good luck on your path to whatever, I have no desire to put up with your garbage anymore. Not only have you wore out my patience, but you have painted a very clear picture as to why your particular behavior as an atheist cannot be tolerated. You are not happy to be free to choose what you want to believe - you must inflict distress and ridicule on anyone who believes different than you. Thug behavior is not tolerance.
You will make wild accusations and claim I am afraid, yaddah,yaddah, yaddah. Maybe you'll even post scripture Whatever. I doubt you'll ever move past the prejudiced mindset you currently posess. To each their own. That is all I have to say. Holly
Is this the same history that Gerald Massey wrote?
This is actually common knowledge SirDent. Attributable to many historians, and simple truth. I have never heard of this person you mention.
I agree that it is common knowledge. Common doesn't make it the truth.
"Walking under ladders is bad luck" is also very common, but I have walked under ladders probably over a thousand times in my life.
I just do not understand this approach to history.
Well documented, tons of sources yet you choose to ignore the elephant in the room. Do you ever read anything other than the bible about this subject?
I have read a lot of history. I also know how easy it is to get cought up in history and what is written in history.
Do you realize that written history has changed a lot in the last few decades?
The Bible speaks to me. When I read it I hear the voice of God explaining things to me at times.
Do you believe there could be something that is more re;liable than history?
Well here are a few facts about this particular history. These stories pre-date the biblical ones by thousands of years and tell the same story, just different characters. They are nonsense of course, but the same nonsense, which would more than indicate where this crud got started and why.
As far as history is concerned, as I understand history it is mostly written by whoever won the war at the time. I did not say it was accurate in it's claims, in fact it is quite crazy when it comes to religious history, but it is there in black and white, dated and written when it said it was (roughly.)
Do you believe that if God is true that He could have ghiven the future to men of old?
Abraham mentioned looking for a land built without hands. What is the land he spoke of? Heaven? New Jerusalem?
Job mentioned the daysman. The daysman is someone human enough to touch man and spiritual enough to touch God. Who fit the bill? Only Jesus.
Sorry SirDent, I do not understand your reply.
The biblical stories are old stories recycled is what I am showing here.
It would seem logical that this was the case, based on a long time line of gods, with these stories changing to suit whoever was telling them as they went through history.
There are lots of floods, virgin births, threats made by entities that match the OT, historic events that reappear in the bible thousands of years later.
No big deal to me Earnest. I still believe the Bible over history that we know from other sources.
Yes, I realise you are sure of your faith SirDent.
Mindboggling!!! I must be in some kind of parallel universe or something. This is madness!
I am always gobsmacked by well documented history being ignored in favour of the current bible, which has had more rewrites than I have had meals, when most of the Egyptian history is written, has been translated and dated. Lots of pictures survived to support the hieroglyphics as well
Proof that religion is a mental disorder. Really scary psychology!!! How is this possible in the 21st century, though!
That I really don't get.
Since we started to understand threats and needing to be worshipped as psychotic behaviour religion should have gone the way of the other primitive beliefs, yet religionists hold fast to a psychotic god.
You are right in my view. Insanity.
Bronze aged ignorance that threatens those who can't quite get with a 2000 year no show god are going to rot in hell? Sure! Count me in!
Yes, I realise you are sure of your faith SirDent. Horus was the first sky god in Egyptology. Around 3,100 BC
Chirp! Not replying to the facts is not a good look for any religionist is it?
Earnest, I do not think you give a rats behind about my soul. Nor do I believe you care how or what I believe. I have put up with your insults, your judging my mental state, and what ever BS has fell off your lip. Your juvenile insecurities about religion have made you who you are. A zealot.
My soul is fine, my faith is fine. I have no problem that you want to be an atheist - go for it. Why are you so heck bent that I should be just like you?
Did I miss history in school? Am I terrified of knowing? Not hardly. What does freak me out me is a loud mouth bully who respects no boundaries, has no manners, and thinks he has all the answers to hide his fear. Yes, I think you are afraid.
Still no answer eh?
Not going to address the truth are you?
Now it is clear - it is you who cannot read! Must have missed quite a few classes.
mjane, like other religionists here, you fail to address the issue of timeline.
Your bible stories are just repeats from the stories that came thousands of years before. Do you avoid facts just to be right?
Why don't you at least look at history and the stories of Horus and others, then make some sensible comment on it, instead of repeating inane unsupported comments?
if you do not belief on the Bible ,it is an atheist...
What are you saying here, that those who don't believe in the bible are atheists?
If so, I would point out to you that one does not have to be an atheist or any other "ist" not to believe in a pack of psychotic lies designed to control weak ignorant minds such as in the bible and quoran.
The world is a mirror grasshopper, and you have just described yourself to a tea!
Hi friends
Bible NT has little of Word revealed; and ispiration only those people get who receive Word of revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH. Bible failed to mention Word of Revelation Jesus received from God Allah YHWH; and it also failed to mention his inspirations.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
Hi, I was reading the comments. Please don't argue about God. Its not our job to prove that God exists. Its the job of Holy Spirit. Please understand, not everybody is going to be with God at the end of the day. So, our job is just convey the gospel. Then leave it to God. I am from a science (Physics) back ground, my wife also the same, but we have never seen any book like Bible. If somebody says something against God, its not our problem, God has to deal with that. And he will do that. We can invite somebody to church. But holy spirit brings him to church. One guy here is speaking from a movie Zeitgeist which is utter nonsense. If somebody wants to believe that let it be. Leave it God. May the God Almighty bless you all.
Pradeep
Your sky fairy may own your life, but has no control over mine fortunately!
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