What language/s did Buddha speak or write?

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   paarsurreyposted 15 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   I understand that he spoke in a language which was only spoken; while the Buddhist canon is in Pali which was only written and no more spoken widely.
   
   Any opinions, please
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      He was born in modern day Nepal, and as such spoke whichever language was common to that region at the time.  Buddha wrote not a word.
      
      When he taught, it is believed he taught in Pali.  It is likely the Buddha could read Sanskrit.

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      noahlopezieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I think he used to speak Hindi the national language of India as he used to live in Bihar a state in India. What do you say?
      http://www.articlesbase.com/dental-care … 12431.html

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   SirDentposted 15 years ago

   Romulan or is it Vulcan?

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      Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      spoken like a true christian.   good one

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         SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you. . .  I think.

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            alternate poetposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            or maybe you don't ?

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         Richieb799posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I notice you have a disliking for Christians, I find it bizarre when people such as Gandhi would teach equality amongst Christians, Muslims and Hindu's

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            crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Gandhi was enlightened, paarsurrey is not.  All great leaders have never taught "follow me only", their followers made up the "follow him/her only" rule.

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               Richieb799posted 15 years agoin reply to this

               This was a quote from Hokey's comment friend, not paarsurrey.. I agree about the Follow him/her comment though mate - you are right about great teachers

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                  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah yes, didn't notice the "Hokey says part" - in any case, the after comment still applies
                  
                  

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                  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi friends
                  
                  Our friend crmhaske is right; I am not enlightened one. Gandhi was only a worldly politician; also not enlighetened one, in the sense he never received Word of Revelation from the Creator-God allah YHWH.
                  
                  It is no harm for the enlightened to say to others to follow them as they are the saviours. Aaron and Moses asked people to follow them, for that reason:
                  
                  [20:89] Then he produced for them a calf — an image producing a lowing sound. And they said, ‘This is your God, and the God of Moses.’ So he gave up the religion of Moses.
                  [20:90] Could they not see that it returned to them no answer, and had no power to do them either harm or good?
                  [20:91] And Aaron had said to them before this, ‘O my people, you have only been tried by means of it (the calf). And surely, the Gracious God is your Lord; so follow me and obey my command.’
                  [20:92] They replied, ‘We shall not cease to worship it until Moses return to us.’
                  [20:93] Moses said, “O Aaron, what hindered thee, when thou didst see them gone astray, [20:94] ‘From following me? Hast thou then disobeyed my command?’
                  [20:95] He answered, “O son of my mother seize me not by my beard, nor by the hair of my head. I feared lest thou shouldst say, ‘Thou hast caused a division among the children of Israel, and didst not wait for my word.’”
                  
                  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=85
                  
                  Thanks
                  
                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                     crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Not one truly enlightened person has said "you must follow me only or else."  Any one who says that is not enlightened.  It is one thing to say "hey, I have something to say, follow me" and another completely to say "if you don't follow me you'll regret it."
                     
                     The latter are the made up words of the followers, not the followed.

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               Denseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Clap, clap.

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      paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Please elaborate.
      
      Thanks

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         SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         Romulan
         
         Vulcan

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            earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            You have been very naughty today SirDent!

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               SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I am an angel, Earnest. I have no idea what you mean.

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                  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  

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   aka-djposted 15 years ago

   I think his followers follow for the phylosohpy he taught not fot the language he used.

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      paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend aka-dj
      
      We are ascertaining, if the Philosophy or faith being spread "in Buddha's name " is really authored by him or by others.
      
      I am of the opinion that the accounts of his life have been dramatized later; as the accounts do not depict any wisdom; and Buddha was a man of great wisdom.
      
      I love Buddha as I do love Zoroaster and Krishna
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Buddha is dead. Why love a dead man?
         Still, makes no difference of the language. Many English speaking people followhis teachings. English was not even conceived then.

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            paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend aka-dj
            
            May be the teachings they follow being from Buddha are not his teachings. This is the focal point to be ascertained with peaceful discussion.
            
            This has happened many a time.
            
            The Jews and Christians think that Genesis was written by Moses; while it is not.
            
            The Christians think that the Gospels are inspired by Jesus; no it is written by the scribes who never believed in Jesus; they were the deserters and while writing they were influenced by Paul and the Church; in fact these gospels were anonymous writings only ascribed to the scribes to add credulity.
            
            Jesus had nothing to do with them.
            
            Thanks
            
            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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               aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I don't get your point.
               You don't believe MANY things from or about the Bible, so your comments hold very little credibility in my view.
               
               All of Christianity relies on the death and resurrection of Jesu Christ (which you deny), so what else would we expect from you.
               Oh, and if you DID believe, then it would make you a Christian, which you are not. As your signature clearly states.
               
               BTW, Mohammed didn't write the Koran, his followers did many years later. So why believe that has not been tampered with also?

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                  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  His resurrection is one point even if it is not true no big deal Jesus is far bigger than that and immortal.

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               mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               they are the teachings of an enlightened one paarsurrey such wisdom is not possible by someone who has not gone beyond.

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            mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Aka dont you love Jesus?
            
            I love the Buddha ,Jesus ,Mohammad, Guru Nanak etc.

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               aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Jesus NOT dead.
               Say again, JESUS NOT DEAD.
               The others DEAD, DEAD, DEAD and DEAD.

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                  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  CRAP, CRAP, CRAP.AND MORE CRAP

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         crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Just because they do not fit your worldview, that does not make them wrong.  Buddha may have been a man of wisdom, but he was also a human like the rest of us.  As such he was subject to the same desires, temptations, and emotions that we are (pre-enlightenment).  He was fallible no different than all humans are fallible.
         
         Copied from what I wrote on your other Buddha thread:
         
         "In the Buddha's time there would have been no need to record anything because he was alive and well.  His teachings couldn't be forgotten or distorted because he was there to spread them.  I don't think the Buddha intended for an entire religious system to be formed around his teachings as he believed each person should seek out the truth for themselves.  He believed no scripture should replace that individual quest for truth.
         
         That being said, after 400 years I'm sure there was a lot of division amoungst followers of the Buddha, and so the First Buddha Council came together to unite the followers with a written scripture.  While I'm sure a good portion of the Buddha's original teachings were preserved, one must always keep in mind  that it was a council of direct descendants of the Buddha's disciples that decided what was and was not an original teaching of the Buddha.
         
         How do I know for certain?  Well, I don't, but nobody knows very much for certain.  I can only do what the Buddha taught to do, seek the truth for myself.
         
         Muhammad, your prophet, was alive in a different time.  In the Buddha's time not many people would have known how to read and so recording his teachings would have been useless.  The Brahmans may have been capable of reading, but the Buddha rejected everything they stood for.  He wanted to teach to the layman not to some elite class.
         
         In the time of your prophet reading was a lot more common.  Your Qu'ran is believed to have been written by Muhammad himself, but the man was illiterate.  You have no proof that he actually wrote it himself, and must take it on faith alone that he did.  Not only that, but he is not alive today.  You have no way of knowing for certain that the Qu'ran you have now is the same Qu'ran that Muhammad supposedly wrote.  Just as I have to take it on faith that the Pali Canon is the Buddha's original teachings, you have to take it not only take it on faith that your Qu'ran is the same Qu'ran that was first recorded, but also that an illiterate Muhammad wrote it."

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            mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Nicely written crmhaske.
            
            Buddha spent the rest of his life after enlightenment in travelling and  teaching about enlightenment.

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               paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend  mohitmisra
               
               I like that role of the Buddha; but his life depicted by the Buddhists or the Buddhism is no good.
               
               @crmhaske
               
               Did he return to his wife, his child, his parents and to rule justly over his people; the normal life for him?
               
               I love Buddha as I love Zoroaster , Krishna and Moses.
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                  crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  No, that would have been selfish.  Instead he taught what he'd discovered.
                  
                  Who exactly made you the judge of what is and is not characteristic of a wise person.  Have you ever read the Ramayana?  If not, you should.

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                     paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Hi friend crmhaske
                     
                     A weird definition of selfish. How return to normal life is selfish? Abnormality cannot generate wisdom; it is all  from the Buddhists not from Buddha. Please quote from Buddha for such claims and reasons.
                     
                     Thanks
                     
                     I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                        crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        I don't need to quote from the Buddha, I have a brain myself that I know how to use.
                        
                        It would have been selfish to obtain wisdom, and then just go home without sharing that message.  It would have also been selfish to expect his family to uproot themselves and follow him on his quest to teach his message.  Furthermore, his wife and child would have been well taken care of in his palace, he didn't just abandon them with nothing.
                        
                        What is a family when compared to a whole nation?  "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock

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                  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  When one gets enlightened he sees God or himself in all things, he had a greater role to play.

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               crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you

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         mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Give example paarsurrey.

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            mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Every prophet will work in his own way some will write and some will not.
            Also parchment ad paper didn't always exist and the oral form of communication was the way.This  started with poetry as dohas or couplets ,the most condensed form of philosophy, as this form was easy for the human to memorize and pass on, Like the Zend Avista, the Holy Buddha Sutras, Holy Bhagwat Gita, Holy Ramayana, Holy Guru Granth Sahib etc.
            
            There are some great masters who go into silence and they are still doing there work like the 300 year old Telangi Maharaj who loved Laddus or sweets.

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               mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               In Islam the prophet who writes is considered higher up.

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                  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  And the one that gets the highest ebook rankings is the highest...literally. lol

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                     SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     The one who uses the best drugs is what you mean don't you?

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                        mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        Its considered more difficult.

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            paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            As the story goes; he left his home leaving alone his wife and child; without taking permission from her; she was also a human being needing a husband who would have vowed to become a life partner. I think it is not wise; it is sheer cruelty. It is not the story of my Buddha. It preaches asceticism wich is another form of suicide. It is leading people astray, in my opinion.
            
            Thanks
            
            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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               mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Each to his own,
               
               "Live and let live".Mahavira

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                  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi friends
                  
                  That is OK with me; I am peaceful
                  
                  Thanks

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      True language s just a medium for the message.

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   paarsurreyposted 15 years ago

   What language/s did Buddha speak or write?
   
   Hi friends
   
   Buddha spoke Magadhi language; while the canon ascribed to him is written in Pali.
   
   It is like Jesus spoke Aramaic while the original Bible is in Greek.
   
   So the origianl teachings of Buddha and Jesus have been lost.
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You, my friend, are the one that is lost.

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         paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend crmhaske
         
         You are welcome to bring me on the straight path with reason, rationality and with logical arguments from Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH. You are a nice person and a good teacher. Peace be on you.
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   paarsurreyposted 15 years ago

   crmhaske wrote:
   
   All great leaders have never taught "follow me only", their followers made up the "follow him/her only" rule.
   
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   Hi friend crmhaske
   
   We are discussing here religios divine leaders or founders of the religons; they did say to follow or obey the teachings revealed on them:
   
   [26:106] The people of Noah treated the Messengers as liars,
   [26:107] When their brother Noah said to them, ‘Will you not be righteous?
   [26:108] ‘Surely, I am unto you a Messenger, faithful to my trust.
   [26:109] ‘So fear Allah, and obey me.
   [26:110] ‘And I ask of you no reward for it. My reward is only with the Lord of the worlds.
   [26:111] ‘So fear Allah, and obey me.’
   [26:112] They said, ‘Shall we believe thee, when it is the meanest that follow thee?
   
   http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=112
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Man wrote the Qu'ran, not God.  It is not revelation, it's an attempt at mind control - a quite successful one at that.

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         paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

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            fred allenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Faith is so precious. It can sustain a man's hope in any given circumstance. As I read your words, there is no question as to the genuineness of your faith. I applaud you for your sincerity and strength. If it was obvious that your faith was mis-placed, would you have the strength and courage to reconsider the object of your devotion in exchange for a new and more hope filled one?

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               paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend fred allen
               
               Life is only for once in this world; why should one deny truth if it comes one's way? I would love to. Quran instructs us in the very first chapter "Show us the truthful and straight path".
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               You may express your views fully; I am all ears.

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