Many people misunderstand the meaning of the Pentacle. For most (although as with all paths there are exceptions), the pentacle represents the elements. It is not "satanic". Most Pagans do not even believe in Satan. They believe that what you put out (good or bad) returns to you times three. Many Pagans are environmentalists and conservationists. Many Pagan paths are older than Christianity. They are agriculturally based and honor both God and Goddess. Pagans for the most part do not believe in forcing their beliefs down anyones throats. Nor do they desire others to force their belief's on them. So, before you judge, please do some research. You just may learn something. Blessed Be!! )O(
Hi friend Heaven_Leigh70
What is the source of Pagan's belief? Please
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
The sources of pagan beliefs and practices vary widely, depending on which specific kind of pagan religion - and there are many - is being considered.
For example, Nordic traditions such as Asatru or Odinism draw heavily on Nordic history, folklore and culture.
Another example might be Wicca, which is one form of contemporary witchcraft - and there are several kinds of Wicca, also. Sources of Wiccan ideas derive largely from Gerald Gardiner, Doreen Valiente and Philip Ross Nichols (who popularised the religion in the 1970s), but also from British folklore.
Yet another example might be Druidry, which is not so much a specific religion but a philosophy which can be expressed through any religion - in a similar way to Sufism being expressed through your Moslem religion.
It's easy enough to run a Google search on these topics, if a person is genuinely interested.
Hi friend AdeleCosgroveBray and Heaven_Leigh70
What is your own denomination of the pagans?
That would help us understand your viewpoint clearly. A separate thread for every denomination would be fine to understand it .
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
I've been a member of the Order of Bards, Ovates and Druids for over a decade now. My profile here on Hubpages and on my website clearly state this.
I'll start a thread for the discussion of Druidry if you'll start one on your Ahmadi Muslim ideas. Deal?
Hi friend AdeleCosgroveBray
As asked by you I have started a new thread :
You are welcome
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
HELLLOOO PAARSURREY U DONE GREAT JOB KEEP IT UP...
That's true! Many Christian holidays were developed around Pagan holidays so that the people would accept them. Like Easter and Ostara which basically celebrates spring, longer daylight hours, greater warmth, and the growing season.
Hi friend leeberttea
Jesus did not do it; it is the clever Paul and the errant Church who did it.
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
The very reason behind this was in fact a peaceful reason. Constantine the Byzantine Emperor conformed many pagan holidays to assimilate with Christianity to keep peace within his land. The small group of early Christians and massive group of Pagans would went into a violent and bloody civil war due to being different! Constantine- the political genius- prevented that by enabling acceptance within his empire's population!!
FYI: I am a Sunni Muslim...
Do you realize that you just responded to a three-year-old forum thread? How ever did you find this old thread?
It's interesting how you found my comment and responded to it.... Would you like me to ask you "do you realize you found my comment to read and your response is about when I posted it???..." :-)
I am new to HubPages and was just browsing. I came across a post that piqued my interest. Is there something the matter...??
To my knowledge anyone that is not a Christian,is a Pagan and a gentle.
That would be a gentle gentile I presume?
As much as is needed,the rest will work it self out.
I will have to suppose you know what that means.
Life is a process,everything is measured.Every word and action that we speak and take in this world,we shall give account for.
Who do we all give account to..... you?
To Righteousness and PREDESTINATION.
Isnt there something to do with a Wicker Man? Just kidding!
The poor Wicker Man ! All Religions have their own 'lets not talk about' issues. LOL
First, I'd like to point out that despite what the title of this thread implies - probably unintentionally - there is not one pagan path (or religion) but many.
Satan was/is a Christian concept and therefore has nothing no connection with contemporary pagan religions. I would have thought that by now this was commonly understood, but then some people's determination to cling to inaccuracies beggars belief.
However, while the pentacle is a popular pagan symbol (with one point at the top), it is also employed by Satanists (with two points at the top.) Each have their own reasons for using this symbol, and they use it in different ways. If anyone is genuinely interested, just do a bit of research from valid sources.
As for the Wicker Man, this was first mentioned by Julius Caesar is his account of British Druids, information which he gleaned second- and third-hand at best, as he didn't come here to Britain himself. How accurate his descriptions are is open to debate. Some of his claims have been shown to be farcical, others fairly spot on. So who knows, hmm?
You're right. Most are myths. Anyway, I though the Wicker Man was a true pagan sacrifice. Thanks for the info !
Right. "Pagan" isn't a religion, but a descriptive term that applies to *many* religions.
True deblipp, and the same can be said when one calls themselves a "Christian", for it is a descriptive term for many, many denominations and sects - and sadly, these denominations and sects often refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of the others.
There is an overall misconception on the "human" spiritual path, never mind, a specific form of religion.
The records left by the Roman historians are a bit skewed. For one thing the Romans had propaganda benefits in painting the Celts in a bad light but also, they were translating from a language they barely understood. For instance; if someone, who had a very poor understanding of English idiom and no knowledge of christian culture were to be told that "My mother gave her heart to Jesus" they may accuse christians of ripping out peoples hearts. It's all in the interpretation. We are not sure if the WickerMan was a sacrifice or a form of capital punishment. The Druids were the priests, judges and lawgivers of North West Europe we do not know whether they sacrificed or meted out justice.
I wrote a Hub about the Pentacle it's called "The Druid's Apple" (I've never been very good about keywords )
Welcome to HubPages! Well, from a Mormon to you I bid you welcome and good tidings in your path of faith. Your words are truly interesting and it's good to see someone who is stalwart in their beliefs and yet willing and able to stand up for them. A few hubs and I'll look forward to being a follower of your work.
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Hi friend deosfluviatilis
Where is the mouse and where is the cookie...?
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
My understanding of the Pentacle is that it encompasses all that is sacred.
It seems that even among other pagans, the pentacle is misunderstood. While it is true that Satanists (and Christian/Catholics trying to assert power, but I won't go there), have given the inverted, or upside-down pentacle a bad name and meaning, there is nothing foul about it.
A pentacle consists of five points forming a star, one for each of the four traditional elements of Fire, Earth, Water, and Air, and a one to represent human Spirit all encompassed within a circle to denote control. All the position of the star within the pentacle means is which way the energy you put forth is going. A right side up pentacle(one point up) is symbolic for pulling energy from matter, for instance: a charged stone, a candle, the earth itself. An inverted pentacle(one point down) is used when transferring energy into something such as a tool, or a gem.
I hope I have helped some understand this symbol better.
Yours in Spirit,
My favorite ritual!
My vulva, the horn,
The boat of Heaven,
Is full of eagerness like the young moon.
My untilled land lies fallow.
As for me, Inanna,
Who will plow my vulva?
Who will plow my high field?
Who will plow my wet ground?
As for me, the young woman,
Who will plow my vulva?
Who will station the ox there?
Who will plow my vulva?
Great Lady, the king will plow your vulva,
I, Dumuzi the King, will plow your vulva Inanna accepts him saying:
Then plow my vulva, man of my heart
Plow my vulva.
Then follows more details of the happenings
My eager impetuous caresser of the navel,
My caresser of the soft thighs;
He is the one my womb loves best,
My high priest is ready for the holy loins.
My lord Dumuzi is ready for the holy loins.
The plants and herbs in his field are ripe.
O Dumuzi, Your fullness is my delight.
The high priestess then directs things to be readied
Inanna called for the bed.
Let the bed that rejoices the heart be prepared
Let the bed that sweetens the loins be prepared
Let the bed of kingship be prepared!
Let the bed of queenship be prepared!
Let the royal bed be prepared!
This bed was set up in front of the entire congregation. The people watched the entire ritual including the sexual part.
He shaped my loins with his fair hands,
The shepherd Dumuzi filled my lap with cream and milk.
He stroked my pubic hair.
He watered my womb.
He laid his hands on my holy vulva,
He smoothed my black boat with cream,
He quickened my narrow boat with milk.
He caressed me on the bed.
The King went with lifted head to the holy loins.
He went with lifted head to the loins of Inanna
He went to the queen with lifted head.
He opened wide his arms to the holy priestess of heaven.
We rejoiced together.
He took his pleasure of me.
He laid me down on the fragrant honey-bed
My sweet love, lying by my heart,
Tongue-playing, one by one,
My fair Dumuzi did so fifty times.
Now, my sweet love is sated.
Top point symbolizes Spirit.
The four lower points symbolize the four Elements of Life: Earth, Air, Fire, Water.
The circle being without beginning or end represents the deity (It is completely encompassing the star whithin it) and the never ending circle of birth, death, and rebirth.
The star represents the outstretched human body, reaching out in search of it's connection with Spirit.
Together they represent the creator's protection and wisdom
It is mis understood for real.
The fact that a person lived as pagan in Ireland (Celt) ot Norway (Norse) or Italy (Strega) does not mean it is a spiritual path..? Think
Pagan back then was a way of life, earth , eliments, farming, superstition to storms, occurances etc...a civilization developing in various parts of the world, with similar Human Traits. People evolving.
The fact that a Modern eclectic mind is atracted to Those Historic people and copies the life style or at least tries to, and most times makes up what they do not know, or have hands on knowledge of, for facts; as to how those folks believed or lived, is not a religion..?
It is some one re-living the past history, re-inacting it. No more powerfull than re-living the Civil War in mock battles.
Fun yes, but enlightened? That remains to be seen. I have never seen many Old practicioners, most abandon it long before thier Senior years, and that tells me it is more of a Hobby and not a Life style.
Or possibly, the afrontation to a Christian God eases over time, for some folks!
If you have never seen elders, you haven't spent time around Pagans. I don't think I'm an elder, but I've been Pagan for thirty years. I know many who are around from before my time.
Paganism is a New Religious Movement. Many people distrust NRMs because they think "older is better." Indeed, in the beginnings of the Pagan revival in the U.S., Pagan traditions which claimed roots to ancient times were more highly regarded for this reason.
There are *some* Pagan paths which explicitly seek to recreate past practices. For example, Asatru or Hellenism. There are some which are *entirely* and pointedly new, such as Church of All Worlds. Most, however, seek to combine a study of the past with a conscious embrace of modernism and are happy to be *Neo*pagan.
I need not say that it is rude to point to the religion of another and call it mere dilettantism. Many people explore multiple religious paths throughout life, leaving Christianity or joining it, leaving Hinduism or joining it, etc. That some people dabble in Paganism is of no concern to serious practitioners. I accept that exploration is a normal part of a spiritual lifestyle and am not offended by those who visit with us for a while.
I practice several different pagan belief systems (Prehistoric, traditional,contemporary and those I have created myself) and have done so for around 33 years. The biggest and clearest difference usually drawn between paganism and traditional religions is that pagans generally have more respect of, and interest in their immediate environment. I have found though, that clearly the most obvious difference is that pagans tend to do much more self-searching, self-discovery and have more direct spiritual experience. Whereas religious types tend to focus more on God and faith.
The pentacle (or pentagram!) has been around as a symbol for as long as humans have been able to witness it in the night sky. Venus maps out an entire pentagram in the sky every few years. It would therefore seem appropriate to conclude that this symbol actually represents love. I still like the idea of it showing the dominance of spirit over the four states of matter. But it could be used to symbolise anything that has five states/attributes - Medieval Christians used it to represent the five wounds of Christ.
I describe myself as pagan but I still believe there is one universal creative force that links us (and everything else!). Why do I believe this? Because I've seen it, I've heard it, I've smelled it, tasted it AND felt it.............
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