I hear alot of these forums end up in insults etc
My question to you is
why not move to a communist country? there is no worship allowed there like China- they don't allow the Bible without extreme punishment- at least that's what I read.
WHY not? You sound like you hate religion, I think YOUR hatred is stronger than Christians because I don't see us making fun of the big bang theory- although I haven't been in the science room!!
Well that started off with a bang, lol. Why don't I move to a non-religious country since I disagree with religion. To start with lets explore the other option that is available here. If you want to live in a country that is controlled by religion why don't you move to Iran?. Luckily neither option will need be exercised for the time being. Leaving this country by force or by choice to avoid the other side of the religious debate goes against the freedom of religion we are guaranteed in this country. Each is allowed his or her own beliefs and has the freedom to practice or not. Forcing any group to leave the country simply because they disagree with you seems to tell me you have a pretty weak arguement to offer. What will ultimately destroy our freedom of religion will be intolerance of people who differ in their thoughts and or life choices. The declining levels of tolerance in this country have us headed that way now. I have no problem with and actually understand how religion can and should improve the lives of all people. Somewhere between paper and reality it seems to go horribly wrong. I see religion being used more as a weapon than a gift or tool. Religion is being used to justify treating some American citizens differently, and not in a good way. Anytime a group of people that should be well respected are in fact feared, something is rotten in the hen house. Do christians take pride in the fact that certain people fear them? I have received threatening phone calls from christians for voicing my opinions in our local paper. What is wrong with people that forces them to react to critism with threats of violence? It's probably the same thing that makes a christian accept a mission from God that includes killing a doctor in cold blood, in a church, in front of a large number of children. I don't have a problem with religion in general. I have a large number of preoblems with religious people. The biggest is that they act nothing like their religion teaches them to. and that's ok with them, WTF?
Good point, my friend. We have freedom of religion. So no complaints, then?
Complaints , you want complaints, I got plenty of complaints, lol.. I've spent most of the last year voicing these complaints in the R&P blog on myspace and the only thing that's changed is, I am a year older.
I have grown a little weary of repeating the same arguements, with the same people, over and over and over again. I've had enough of it. I have reached a point that I don't care what a persons beliefs are. I have no interest in trying to change them nor do I have the ability to do so. It's time that we start trying to find a way to live together peacefully, before we destroy what's left of this country.
The complaints that I am going to address from here on out are the ones that involve Christians that don't feel they need to respect the rights of their fellow American citizens. I am also going to be concentrating on religions continued attempts to break down the separation of church and state.
What sense does it make to base the laws of our country on a book that Christians can't even agree on? I am not going to enter into a battle of wits with an unarmed christian. If logic, evidence, and thinking are nothing more to you than scrabble words, don't bother speaking.
It is too easy to verify information these days and it amazes me the number of people on line that refuse to check their facts at a legitamate web site. I say legit site because when I go looking for food information I go to a food site. When I need some gardening information, I go to a gardening website. religious info I head to a religious website. How many Christians when they are looking for scientific information still go to a religious website? A lot of people claim to do fact checking and all they do is go to a religious website to check everything. They are looking to have someone repeat the story they believe, nothing more. I love how all religious sites offer to sell you a copy of the information. They will spend money to get a signed original copy of what they want to hear. You can go to almost any college and get the truth for free.
The biggest problem facing this country today is the declining educational system. America is getting dumber every four years and this has been going on for awhile now. Why did I bring up education in a R&P hub? There is a direct correlation between how educated a state is and how religious that state is. 7 of the 10 states with the worst educational system are in the top 10 most religious states. This is going to sound harsh but I just came up with it and I'm a sharin'. At the present rate of decline in education, Iestimate that it will take 32 more years until the whole country is dumb enough to want religion to take control of everything. .
Sry for the gabfest, I'm done. Peace SG, hope tomorrow exceeds your expectations.
No religion in China? Where did you read this??
The country has close to 1 billion Buddhists. It even has 40-50 million Christians - easily more than the entire population of many "Christian" nations combined.
If you haven't seen christians making fun of the big bang theory, you haven't been around much.
Why is it that christians just want to get rid of everyone who doesn't agree with them? I had a christian fellow last night tell me that if he could push a button and get rid of all the muslims, he would do it.
I strongly believe that if they could get away with it, many american christians today would behave much like the extremist muslims do.
I know you guys want to pretend the rest of us don't exist, aren't real, don't matter. I know you want to live undisturbed in your fantasies.
And the good news for you is that many people are leaving america, especially those who can afford it. Because religious ideology is destroying this country. Religious idiocy is blindly following the most deceitful and deluded leaders right into a hell of their own making.
America is becoming a backwards, regressive society, thanks to religious fervor and close-minded zealots who wish to control everyone by imposing their religion legally upon us.
Your suggestion is offensive, rude, hateful, ignorant, and all-in-all just very christian-like. Why wouldn't I find you repugnant?
Tough on you, we're staying. And frankly intolerant people like yourself don't even get what the american project was supposed to be about anyway.
There are alternatives:
http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Christ … nist_Party
I dont become angry over non-sense. When it come to religion I do what you do with "The Big Bang Theory. I just dismiss the religious theory. Getting mad is a waste of energy.
What does politics have to do with religion?
I'm confused. I'm not an American so maybe I've misunderstood.
I thought America was a place that championed the individual's freedom. Are you telling me it's only for Christians and that no one else is tolerated?
Atheists generally don't hate Christians. They hate closed-minded Christians who force their beliefs down other people's throats, and those are the ones who generally get insulted on these forums. I'm not saying you're one of those, I have no idea.
Because it is every person's individual right to believe whatever they choose. I have no interest living in a society where oppression is its theme.
I dont know why all are fighting for religion. Everyone think youself as soul. As a soul we all are same in every terms. We all are brothers and sisters as we all are child of one father--and that father is God (incorporeal).
It is everyone choice to beleive or not in God, but we all know in our body that soul resides, so think of that soul. First know yourself then you will know God easily.
China has been quietly loosening up their restrictions. There are churches of different denominations operating. Whether these are for propaganda or not....please understand that it is dangerous to open the floodgate abruptly.It will take time, but what is 50 to 100 yrs. compare to eternity?
I do hate religion ... some religions. I think most atheists, and many people who believe in God would say the same thing. I don't hate people who are religious, and would never hate a person based on their beliefs. I find it interesting to talk to people who have stong religious beliefs and I've never made an insulting comment to someone unless they said something to offend me first.
I hate the concept of religion, it seems unnatural to me. People don't think for themselves and there are just so many rules ... much like Communism. It makes people do things like pray for my soul, and there's no response to that thats not going to involve my soul being prayed for again, which I find really offensive/insulting. And yes, some atheists act in a similar way (not thinking for themself and being blindingly insulting) and I don't like them much either.
jen, I'm just the opposite from you on this point. I don't have a problem with the concept of religion. I have a problem with a lot of the people who are under the influence of religion.
Hard core religious addicts are no different than hardcore drug addicts. Once they cross that line from recreational user to hard core addict wgo mainlines, they turn into something totally unrecognizable. In my opinion. I have known enough of both kinds of addicts to logically reach this conclusion.
Once the drug of choice takes total control of the individual, they can think of nothing but serving their master. They will forgo anything for and are constantly thinking about their next fix. The begin to associate only with other users who think and act just like they do and this leads to a sense of isolated superiority. They begin to fear anyone who isn't a user. The begin to converse with their drug in their head. They begin to hear their drug giving them suggestions and orders.They will go to any lengths to get their next fix and have no problem walking all over the rights of others to obtain it when and where they need it.
I have a question for you...Am I talking about a drug addict or a fundamentalist/evangelical Christian?
I understand what you mean by rude and insulting atheists and christians. I just moved over here from myspace and I did a blog where I stated I was tired of the fighting and wanted to find a way to co-exist peacefully End result was everybody left a few positive comments and never came back. There was no interest in a civil conversation by either side, lol.
I have been of late trying to be more respectful and less insulting than I used to be. I looked forward to finding a blog and attacking with both barrels. Turns out the other side seems to insist on firing back when you do this. Anyway, I am making the effort to not be quite as much like the people I complain about all the time. Peace my friend, nice to meet you.
I'm trying not to hate anything or anyone, although, I find I have my setbacks.
My family is filled with devout believers, and I work professionally with every variety and kind of person there is on this planet. I feel lucky to be able to have such a diverse collection of family, friends and associates.
As for me, I'm certainly not a believer, but I don't quite categorize myself as an atheist. Agnostic is a nonsense category to me.
Apparently to most believers in the forums, I'm a liberal atheist. It makes me laugh. I just think independently of religions and political parties, which I think are another form of false religion.
I'm not moving for a while. I've moved 10 times in the last 9 years. I'm tired of moving, and I don't hate my believer neighbors or my extremely diverse associations with others. I'm fine right here.
What? Seriously? You think tehre is a fixed relation between communism and religion?
Are you still living in Cold War Propoganda?
The reason not many Christians make fun of things like teh Big Bang Theory and Evolution is because there is so much scientific theory backing both of these that if you argue against them, you end up looking foolish.
I watched a documentary about a christian summer camp a few days ago, and it was the scariest thing I ever saw. This woman thought that she was entirely justified in brain washing children to her Christian cause.
Not only did they do things like use childish taunts (Hey kids, do you think you came from some kind of goo, I dont think so, you were created for a purpose) to hld back a childrens education in the world around them.
I saw Jesus Camp awhile back myself. Islamic fundamentalist haven't got a thing over the christian fundies. It was a sad site to see a 13 year old kid talking about dying for Jesus. They are raising these kids to believe the are warriors for Christ. This is one problem with the freedom of religion, some people feel they have the right to steal a kids childhood to serve their own twisted agenda. Teenagers planning on dying in the coming religious wars and toddlers wearing t-shirts that state God Hates Fags and America, is not a great reflection on the main stream, noemal, christians is it? The Army of God is another bunch of lunatics that prey on the minds of children.
that's just the extreme side.
anyone can be fanatiacal abaout anything
(besides religion) so there
Your absolutely right SG. There are ice cream fanatics, Star Trek fanatics and Porn fanatics. The difference is the the ice creamers and the Trekies aren't purposely hurting segments of our society. They aren't attempting to force us to eat their ice cream every sunday and wensday. The trekies and the porn fanatics aren't a problem either. Simply run the right movies 24 hours a day in select theaters and eventually, they all will come, no pun intended there. As far as it just being the extreme side, the evangelical christians are the fastest growing segment of our population. They could possibly start effecting our government.
If an election came down to an atheist and a christian extremeist, who would you vote for? Most christians would vote for the christian everytime. They are are making a decision based completely on faith. No matter how much more qualified the atheist might be, you would vote for the cross. Think this might be part of the problem we face today? Sure it is, people vote for canidates for the most rediculous reasons. Most American have no idea how govwernment works and keep putting the same crooks back in office, why? He's a good christian is all it takes sometimes. Doesn't matter how many of them get caught stealing, lying, cheating, or spending weekends with rent a boys, the good christians keep voting them back in.
Not all fanatics are bad people, I'm a foodie and I refuse to join a 12 step program for it. Let's eat.
this world already is an evil place. sad to say. and everyone makes a personal choice--so I don't feel sorry for them....
a choice to be good or bad--or to accept God or not.
heaven or hell.
Yes, people make a personal choice each and every second of the day. Just like you made one when you opened this thread.
The problem is the poor parenting that helps people make that choice.
Yes, people make a delusional choice with regards to believing in a god and not believing in one. Then again, since 2/3 of the people on the planet were indoctrinated after they were born, so much for them actually having a choice in the believing aspect, and trust, the indoctrination is very difficult to overcome.
Both come from the indoctrination of the human species, for which, are part of religion, so as to make people fearful. Thus, more easily controlled.
I've heard that before and don't deny it.
I do believe in God though..........I don't see how this earth and universe could exist otherwise.
You're really not helping here.
As long as people like you continue to misrepresent people like me, there will be a problem. As long as people like you look down on people like me, there will be a problem.
I guess it sucks for christians in a world where people are allowed to actually fight back.
Leave it to a religious person to assume that people who don't share their delusional beliefs are immoral, unethical, and vulgar. Just because I don't share in your devotion to an imaginary deity doesn't make me a communist. Just because a person is very religious doesn't mean he's not a despicable person. In fact, some the biggest Hippocrates I've ever known are deeply religious. The world would be a far better place without religion.
chill out you !
I never said anything of the kind. I just think it's so stupid all this arguing in the forums.
yeah-i thought that was a great question- why not live somewhere where there is no religion.
a good question really.
now you can all bite me cause I'm not wasting any more time here.
reminds me of hell hahahha an unpleasant place I don't want to go haha
Living somewhere where there is no religion. It's beyond foolish and directly shows you haven't a clue about what you are talking about.
A stupid, insulting question really, that reveals your intolerance and places you on the same level as the idiots who say love it (blindly) or leave it.
And didn't you say in the hub you wrote yesterday about how atheists treated you so meanly in the forums that you wouldn't be coming back here for awhile? If you haven't yet, you should delete it. In fact I flagged it as a substandard, useless and whiny hub, which it was.
I think she has already stated she was participating in the forums to get followers and to increase her hub score. She knew, of course, this post would invite criticism. Wonder what happened to BD, she would normally be all over this one.
Is it just me, or is most of these type OP questions made by those claiming to be believers of some sort? In my experience, many of these people have nothing else in their life which makes them stand out from others. By this, I mean something which makes others give them praise or notice.
Someone mentioned the documentary "Jesus Camp." If you watch this film, you will see the adult speakers at the camps getting their kicks from being able to manipulate the children's minds.
Look at the faces of the adult propagandists. The are clearly enjoying the power they wield. The main speaker is an unattractive, overweight, (apparently gluttony is okay) narrow minded lady who enjoys the attention she is getting. The poor children.
I certainly was not indoctrinated from birth, quite the opposite, I spent 41 years as a 'free thinker' before I realised I actually needed my brain 'washed'!
The original poster of this topic demonstrates the ignorant, close-minded, even hypocritical aspects that many within the Christian camp espouse....
I fear for when this person reads a ballot book and decides to vote......
Or rather, I wonder if this person reads and understands ballot measures with the same "wisdom" that has been shown here....
About the same number who think the Eiffel tower is in London!
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