The world was starting again from a horrific disaster. Only a few hundred of us remained, and you felt the necessity for religion, or none at all. Basically a do over.
How would you proceed?
ie; reminder porn still does not classify as a religion. Not just yet.
sense the disaster was probably caused by religions duking it out, why would you want to repeate the mistake all over....makes no sense.
Hey Dutchman, there is a remote possibility, religion won't cause the war that makes it happen. Granted, it's a very slightly remote possibility, but it remains.
Religion is always underlying, it seems reason to fight always boils appart and thats what you see floating there. Among the dead bodies! Religon and Oil stains...economics and Gods plan. Gods nation defending the world right?
but is God always with us? you have to consider it....if you are rational that is.
No - if you are rational - you educate yourself as to why there is a need for religion and - the god idea vanishes in a puff of logic.
I could not support any religion. It is just another excuse for division amongst humans. Still - if we got rid of it - would we just replace it with something else?
Good quotes sunforged.
Yes, I think humans would replace it with something else. It seems that man has a need to feel he is part of something that transcends our physical mortality.
my views and you said what i was thinking.
but i feel a photo op coming on
the alternative would be the kimberlyslyrics religion, here;
Coming in late on this one!
Someone said Christianity... well that's not a possibility, for if Christ is right and if the bible is correct, then the world ends with Christ's return, and if Christ is not who He said He was, and the bible is incomplete, then obviously there would be no point in inventing a new Christianity, for the bible would have been proven incorrect.
If that happened, and I was one of the survivors, I would probably revert to being a Wiccan, as that is the next 'natural' belief system, or maybe Buddhism, which is basically Christianity without Christ...
But that is very unlikely to happen, as it looks obvious that bible prophesy is being fulfilled daily more and more.
LOL Hate to break it to you geniuses, but - if there are people - the world didn't end.
You know, it's that kind of critical thinking that cost you a lifetime of Truth and certainty of the everlasting. Are you sure you want to scuttle your chances for the next go round too?
mark, read the first post. a few hundred remained.
You're saying "Amen" to what he said?
You make no sense. And, if you cannot see that, then all I can say is WOW!
It is a wrong notion that religion is a creation of man; it is a guidance revealed by the Creator-God Allah YHWH; He will save the true religion or he could reveal it to a Messenger Prophet as He has been doing always.
The supposition is wrong
Shit, and here is me thinking of opting for vaginism
That's easy, Mormonism. Not for it's values, weather they be viewed as good or bad, but simply because it is truth.
This idea reminds me of Ben Bova writings and another author- cannot recall the name...
A religion, non mystic, of unity through self mastery, which includes self improvement, love, honesty and a united compassion for others.
Interesting. So - the murder, mayhem and persecution caused/encouraged/excused by Christianity does not deter you? You would do it all again - knowing it causes wars and persecution? And has been used as an excuse for bad behavior for 2,000 years. Still is being used.
The ideals that "god will always provide" and "man has dominion over" are causing us to destroy ourselves.
The passive/aggressive nature of that religion, combined with encouraging people not to be all they could be has proven itself to be detrimental to any society that adopts it - until such time as it is a dominant force. Then it slows down. The religious right is becoming more and more strident as they lose members.
But you would still support this?
Actually, Christianity teaches "Thou shalt not kill", correct? Therefore, it's really the person who is causing wars, etc., and saying religion as a buffer so people do not point at them. But I could just as well say "I'm an athiest and have no soul, so I kill people!" Makes Atheists look pretty bad, yes? But any real Atheist will tell you that they are wonderful people who have real values. When you actually follow the religion and do not pick and choose, it's teaching peace.
No. It teaches "thou shalt not murder." A subtle distinction that allows and encourages capital punishment for example. Killing an offending infidel for breaking god's word is perfectly acceptable as it is not murder. I think you need to read the good bok again and learn what it actually teaches.
Nevertheless, the Christians have killed good many people.
As have muslims.
It's what religion does best.
many, many non believers have guns in their hands killing people
Sure, but nothing like the number who are religiously motivated.
Check out Afghanistan.
Technically, I think Stalin killed the most people of anyone, and between him and Hitler, this isn't actually a super strong argument, even though you and I are on the same side when it comes to religion. Religion is just a really convenient short-cut for whipping up a murderous rabble.
Once Iran gets and drops a nuke, this argument will be valid again though, so no worries.
I agree Stalin was a bitch.
Apparently he had some mental illness.
I can vaguely remember a series called "Our sick leaders" or some such title that documented all the world leaders who had syphilis or other diseases that affected their thinking.Stalin was amongst them.
As I read it, Hitler was a christian, so I don't know if we should exclude all of ww2.
You know, that last part brings up an important point that is very relevant today. I'm not sure whether Hitler was "Christian" or not. Seems I've mostly heard he wasn't, but I'm not a WWII historian and I haven't the inclination to go look it up. But, the point is important to note in that, to say "people die in the name of religion" should mean that the deaths were brought about under the banner of some religious thing, not simply by what might be considered a coincidence of faith.
If I am robbed by a criminal who is Buddhist, I don't believe it would be accurate to say that was a Buddhist crime.
The same might apply to Hitler, if he did start out as Christian. The question being, did he do what he did for Christianity, even in part, or did he do what he did for the Motherland and for his sense of cruel delight?
I don't even totally know this answer, and I'm not saying you were asserting that he did act, even in part or initially out of Christian impetus. But you did bring up the thought, and perhaps others can shed more light on it.
As far as I know Hitler was a 'Catholic' in name only, and there is evidence he also was a Satanist, so you cannot really define him by a 'religious' title.
What is obvious is that he was intent on killing the Jews, Homosexuals and Gypsy's, so he was definitely a homophobic racist!
The main point is that anyone who professes to know Christ and agrees to obey Him, will NOT be killing folk in Christ's name.
It's not allowed.
So if someone is killing folk, they are not a believer, no matter what they call themselves.
Yes, I hear much the same from Muslims, who say that killing people in the name of Allah means that the killers aren't 'true' Muslims too.
Belief systems within belief systems. It's the "You have to believe it the same way I believe it for it to count" thing that non-religious folks just keep tearing their hair out over as the death tolls rise. You can surely see how to the outside viewer, it all just looks the same.
Rather negates the "we have x billion christians therefore it is true," argument as well. Most of them say that and then keep saying all the others are not really christians.
Nonsensical belief systems will do that to your brain. This one just swapped alcohol for another mind rotting substance called religion.
There is an easy answer to this friend, false prophets. Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Don’t go on Blind faith one must pray, use common sense, search the word. If a man commits horrors, and preaches Christs word, common sense tells us this man isn’t a reliable follower of the word.
I see. By that logic - there are not very many Christians in the world. I assume you are classing yourself as a christian yet seem oblivious to the instructions in the bible that command you not to do what you are doing right now.
Are there actually any christians at all?
Exactly what is he accused of doing right now?
If a person mocks God or Christ the Lord, the word tells us this man is corrupt. It is written Matthew 12:35,36 A good man out of the good treasures of the heart bringeth forth good things: an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Tell me friend when you write such foul words, what does that tell us about your heart? I am able to judge because I am not afraid to be judged. But I do not judge hearts, only words.
Would you answer my question please. Not seeing anything in your quote about mocking god. Just your judgment that me being an atheist bringeth forth evil things.
You are not my friend.
To answer your question, yes there are Christians.
But you have mocked God on these forums sir.
Your statement "we are not friends" is the crux of your continues queries about why there is constant conflict in the world. surely you can see this.
Whether you believe that you evolved or were created we are all brothers and sisters. Because we have different beliefs, we can not be friends. Sad that mentality.
Please quote me mocking god. God does not exist. You are not my friend. I choose who my friends are - and do not accept them being thrust upon me against my wishes.
Please stop lying about me. Thank you.
I thought it was a sin to bear false witness. Apparently that is OK for you huh?
Mark Knowles said "Wow - it really really bothers you when other people do not believe the nonsense you believe.
Why is that Dent?
And in any case -- this is the one true savior - yours and mine. Much as you deny Him."
You followed this comment with a photo. You lie to yourself.
If you don't know when you mock a Christians savior you mock God.
My neighbor is my friend, but you don't wish to be friends. I must start my 11 hour run. Good day to you sir. Sorry you are not my friend.
I see. So - mocking Dent for his ridiculous beliefs is mocking god? How dishonest of you. Still - typical behavior. No morals - none.
No wonder you cause so many wars.
Please stop lying about me. Thank you.
You are not my friend. My friends do not attack me and lie about me. I choose my friends.
Sorry? I'm sorry cause am most confused.
/you just insulted Dent and stated he was not worthy of being your friend [nice btw]
then say sorry your not my friend,
sadly you insult a person here and unsuccessfully try to insult people, you may find a loss of friends yourself,
but no matter right?
do enjoy your 11 hour run
respectfully just my opinion
You are evil. I hear M. Night Shyamalan just made a movie about some people who had to ride in an elevator with you.
I think an operative term in that there quote might be "fruits." I read that to mean, the crap they actually do makes them Christian or not. Which is a fine start, but the whole thing gets derailed anyway, because it still is going to come down to who gets to decide which fruits were good fruits and which ones were bad.
The people who sympathize with the terrorist who blows up a bunch of innocents will say, "Those are the fruits of devotion." The ones who don't will say, "Those guys and their leaders are false prophets."
So, while your Matthew quote is nice, it really changes nothing. To me, the only way that verse pays off is if a Christian does nothing but good deeds and keeps their mouth shut.
If I met a Christian like that, I wouldn't know they were a Christian, I would think they were just an amazing human being. If Jesus is real, He would know too. I might even want to ask that person how they find the strength to be so awesome in a world as rough as ours. Hmmm.... Seems like, from a Christian stand point, that is the way to go. Maybe that was Mathew's point too, eh? More fruit, less food criticism.
Unlikely to happen often in a world full of prophets all selling their version though. Much easier to sell it than do it.
I don't agree Shades, Christ clearly tells us in Mark 4:21 And he said unto them, is a candle brought to be put under a bushel, or under a bed? And not to be set on a candlestick. We are encouraged to spread the word.
A man with wisdom is able to judge good fruits from bad. And while your statement of doing good deeds is true, the one about keeping our mouths shut isn't. There are those who would like nothing better.
While you will never find a peson who hasn't sinned you will find those that are forgiven though you may not know them.
I hear what you are saying, but the context of my comment that you just quoted is in a conversation about how between Christians or Muslims or whatever, there is always this place they get to where the behavior of one "does not constitute real" Christian/Muslim etc.
So, while I understand your candle metaphor, the issue at hand is not whether Christians should spread their "light" so much as what the "light" is. The "light" is the message, and, well, one message might be "Kill the infidels" while some other believer thinks the message is one of peace. Etc.
But I'm not going to bandy about scripture with you. I appreciate your right to it, and your beliefs, but, frankly, I consider quoting the Bible to defend ontological issues to be logical fallacy, begging the question (and quite despite the fact that contradictory verses can always be found to support or deny any argument at all), and so I just nod and smile and say, "Yes, I see," respectfully.
I as well Shades and so I will say you're right about the Christian/Muslim thing and I wish I had an answer for that. I accept the conflict that has gone on for centuries will probably continue.
I don't allow it to influence my beliefs, or cloud my mind and keep me from speaking my heart. I trust in the Lord to handle it in his way.
My beliefs are not based entirely on the bible though I do use it often.
But the difference is that the Quran DOES allow it, whereas the NT does not.
Indeed the Quran actually requires it from the 'faithful'
Big difference Shades....
Please quote the text of the verse with the context, some verses preceing and some verses following; then prove your viewpoint.
I think the whole argument behind Hitler and his Christian background is an example geared towards the arguments believers offer when they state despots like Pol Pot or Stalin committed their atrocities in the name of atheism.
Both are fallacies.
I agree with Christianity. It is the only religion that promises that I will one day return back to heaven where I came from and be with My God again.
some excerpts from the book:
Verse 1: All of the true things that I am about to tell you are shameless lies.
other random verse
Tiger got to hunt,
Bird got to fly;
Man got to sit and wonder, "Why, why, why?"
Tiger got to sleep,
Bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand.
it is written:
On the ignorance of learned men
Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way"
...I'm pretty sure that's how I felt after Organic Chemistry. Thank you for helping me finally put it into words. :-D
re: back, and ligare: to bind
religion = "being bound"
if you choose to be bound to something after all that you knew before was lost.
At least pick something that doesnt take itself to seriously
The Tao Of Pooh (as in Winnie the) The rest of them have gotten us into to much S#%&
Mark, I know this sounds crazy, but I would replace it with MY version of Christianity - one based on love, tolerance, hope, and caring for our fellow man and the earth's creatures.
Some of the most abhorent acts in the history of the world were done in the name of religion - not just Christianity, either. I get that. But I don't think it had to be that way. I think one problem is with the word "religion." I don't care for organized religion. I think it should be a personal thing.
I might be naive, but I believe in the overall goodness of man. I don't think one has to be a follower of any religion to be good, either. One of the most altruistic people I've ever known is an atheist.
No - that doesn't sound crazy at all. Naive, perhaps. I do not believe in the overall goodness of man myself. I think we can learn to be "good" if we choose to, but there are a small group of people in power controlling a large part of the way we live and it is very easy to persuade people to be "bad." And Christianity is one of the tools they employ to do this.
I wonder how many thousands of years of the version of Christianity that always comes about when groups of people agree they know what god sed have to have passed by before people understand that it will always cause conflict. Always.
Not possible for it not to. Read the bible - my way or the highway. Your version was most likely written by the King of England for goodness sake. You think he wanted it to say "love thy fellow man and divide the resources evenly"?
Sadly - what you want Christianity to be and what it actually is are very different animals. And I understand what you want it to be - it is what I want it to be. But - the difference is - I have given up on expecting it to become that way - and I do not need the comfort it offers.
I agree with much of what you are saying, Mark. Christianity and other religions have long been used to "control the masses," as William Blake said. I wish Christians would follow the example of Jesus and ignore organized religion. He didn't care about money, and he helped the poor and the sick. He was also tolerant of others - he "hung out" with tax collectors and prostitutes.
Yes, the Bible was written by man, although I believe it was inspired by God. Man is not infallible, so I've often wondered if God's words and teachings were twisted by man to instill fear and thereby gain a sort of control: "If you don't do as we say, you'll be excommunicated and will burn in hell forever!"
And yes, Mark, believing in something mystical and beyond our comprehension does give me comfort. I see wonder in many things that, to me, are beyond man's capabilities.
Isn't it nice that we can discuss this in a friendly manner!
LOL Yes - it is nice - it reminds me of what these forums used to be like before the religionists arrived and assaulted every one with their brand of righteousness. Five of them jumping in quoting righteous passages from a book I despise at me is not condusive to rational dialogue.
I disagree that the bible was inspired by a god, because that makes absolutely no sense at all. Having read it, studied it and researched it's origins, I know it is wholly man made, and I know what inspired it.
I have the same comfort from knowing I am a part of something bigger than myself - I just do not need to give it a name - and having connected with it - I know there are no rules and regulations or "my way or else" attached to it and there is no personality directing it.
I too wonder at nature. But - I do not have to have an answer to "what does it all mean?" Because that is where the problems come from. If you cannot be satisfied with what is - then we get god and religion and a whole army of parasites who claim some knowledge you do not have and mystoical boooks that offer a meaningless answer:
God dunnit. Really? What a worthless answer. The bible itself says this invisible super being is invisible, unsee-able, un-knowable, un-fathomable and impossible for humans to grasp.
Yet - some how people know how he wants them to live their lives? And you should too.
I genuinely think the religions we have developed are not a good thing for us. They offer an easy answer that most people swallow without properly reading the TOS. They just browsed through to the last page and clicked "I accept."
There are genuine rewards to be had by looking for answers inside and actually developing a "relationship" with the universe. Christianity teaches you not to do that. It teaches passive/aggressive behavior and encourages self inflicted martyrdom. It will always cause conflicts. Always. It was written for the few to rule the many and spread their influence as widely as possible. The secular rewards to the few are so great - they will encourage their followers to die for it. The promise of a reward after death encourages many to accept a poor deal in this - their one and only life.
Hats off to you both Habee and Mark! i just knew there could be a healthy exchange of ideas without a war:)
Habee my thoughts run along those same lines, I wish I could it express it as you have
The two of you just made my day - thank you!
My thoughts...We admire medicine and all the good it has brought. Yet modern medicine has a history including some very unethical drs. What keeps us from focusing on the tainted past of medicine? If there is good and bad in both, why is religions bad past the focus?
There is a big difference between medicine and invisible super beings. We have many, many controls and laws in place in order to attempt to limit the possibilities of abusing medicine. Plus - ignorance was the driving factor in many past medical disasters. Far as I know - no one was deliberately burned at the stake, although - I have a lower opinion of pharmaceutical corps than I do of religion if that is possible. But they are much much harder to argue with and insidious as all get out. If I could do away with them and put control of health care where it belongs, I would.
Hey Misha - no reindeer porn then?
Didn't Jesus die to save billions of people? Well, a few people got hurt in medicine, but it saves billions every day. Similar concept, yes?
Modern medicine is generally respected by everyone. But modern medicine has an imperfect past. There were drs performing procedures (in the name of science) that were unethical. Testing medicines without informing people what they were taking, taking advantage of the poor. Submitting false data to get drugs approved. Etc. With all those who have been maimed or died at the hands of bad doctoring - we still praise modern medicine.
On the other hand, christianity ( or any religion really) has also had bad preachers, some abandoning of conscience, people were killed snd maimed by a few who abused their power, but there is no forgiveness or reconciling.
I am just wondering why?
I wouldn't look at the bible being written by man as much as I would the several translations it has been through over the years. I speak Latin, and trying to interpret Latin poetry is extremely difficult because all of the grammar rules change. Imagine what Aramaic is like!
They don't have anything of Bible in Aramaic or Hebrew.
Erm.. what do you think Jesus's apostles spoke? All of the original records and the first book (which happens to be part of the Torah) is entirely Aramaic/Hebrew. It's translated for different languages.
BTW everyone, Jesus was a Jew.
Haha.. sorry.. I had to...But it's true.
I meant the New Testament:
The New Testament, however, was written in Greek. This seems strange, since you might think it would be either Hebrew or Aramaic. However, Greek was the language of scholarship during the years of the composition of the New Testament from 50 to 100 AD. The fact is that many Jews could not even read Hebrew anymore, and this disturbed the Jewish leaders a lot! So, around 300 BC a translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Greek was undertaken, and it was completed around 200 BC. Gradually this Greek translation of the Old Testament, called the Septuagint, was widely accepted and was even used in many synagogues. It also became a wonderful missionary tool for the early Christians, for now the Greeks could read God's Word in their own tongue.
"Hebrew has always been considered the "Holy language". The Scribes in Israel during the New Testament era also believed this. Writings that were considered to be holy were written in Hebrew, this was a given. Why would Holy Writ be done in a language of the pagans?"
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum … 068430/pg1
Just going to Temple and reading from the Torah shows you that Hebrew was in no way a lost language, it was one of the few ways they could hold on to their culture. I wouldn't be surprised that it would be translated into Greek, but there was no way that this was the original language in a land where the masses were not Greek. Even nowadays the people of Ireland are still taught and speak Gaelic. Also, it was a Roman form of the Greek language, which goes back to my original point.
Even if it were a Greek-Latin fusion language, that would still be pretty darn hard to translate into modern day language.
And to add to it, since humans are fallible...who is to say it was translated properly?
I think that it definitely WAS NOT translated properly.
Which has caused all of the confusion as to its intended messages.
And has made it 100 times easier to disbelieve it in its totality.
It seems as though these mistranslations was done on purpose.
Not to mention people being encouraged to interpret for themselves these mistranslations.
Deception becomes perfected.
Well what bits would you leave out Jerami?
How would you separate the OT and the NT for example.
How would you separate the patently psychotic OT god and his son/him in the NT without throwing out what the OT said about the son?
Just popping this o the top o my head SSsss ???
IF there is a God ( saying IF or yauls beneit)
The bible begins with Let "US" make mankind in our image. So the "US" made mankind.
Maybe the US split up into making mankind ??
Maybe Lucifer had a few crearions of his own.
So now we have the sons of Lucuer living on the earth...
and the sons of "I AM" living on the earth???
Jesus said that the children of God hears his voice, ... and said unto the Pharisees, "YOU SONS of Satan".
So could this be a metaphore for something of great signifigance that has been down played ???
I Don"t KNOW ?? But it is an angle to think about?
Maybe Lucifer has a home prepaired or his children?
But you know how "SOME" children are always running away from home; You know, free will and all.
I have never thought about that possability beore..
I will ponder this a bit further.
For now I gotta go get some work done .. 'I'll be back'
Mark, I totally respect your views, but we'll just have to agree to disagree on God. I believe there is a higher life force far more advanced than humans. Can I prove it? Nope!
Hey - Not a problem. For all I know - there might be a "higher life force" than humans. Although - I do not think humans are any higher or lower than any other life forces. We all interact and need each other. Take away the bacteria that help us to digest food and we will not live very long. Which is the "higher life force"? Me or the bacteria?
The problem is that you have a book he wrote to tell you how to live your life. That book also tells you quite clearly that it is your duty to spread that religion far and wide and anyone who does not follow it is evil and will be punished.
Now - that part of the message does not fit with your personal ethics and way of living - so - you deliberately ignore it. But - it is there. We have 2,000 years of wars and arguments to this day that prove that.
As a matter of interest - and I am genuinely interested and not meaning to cause offense. How do you reconcile this with still thinking Christianity is a good thing?
Remember, I said MY version of Chistianity - not the way it is widely practiced today.
As far as spreading the religion, I believe that was when few people knew about Christianity. It was young, and there were no TVs or internet. Everyone I have ever come in contact with is aware that there is a religion called Christianity. They know they can "join up" if they wish. If they have chosen another path, that's their business.
As far as hell goes, I hope evil people have to pay some sort of retribution - especially those who torture and abuse children, old people, and animals. Doesn't the Apocrypha speak of a second chance?
I wasn't talking about the way it is practiced, I was talking about what the bible says.
As I said earlier, I think man made his own version of God's words by twisting them to suit his own agenda.
I think I'll start a new religion called "Jesusism" - no rules. Just try to emulate Jesus as much as you can.
Please define what you understand from God.
Ah - I would probably join up.
I think Man made up the entire thing. As you know.
Mark, teach me something! Does the bible say to spread the religion no matter what, or does it mean to spread it to those who want to listen?
My boyfriend is a former atheist now born again, and I am agnostic, and this is a topic that has been brought up before. He will only teach his religion to those who ask him for it or express interest if he talks about it. Then again, he also admits the bible was written by man, but has (although skewed) general principles in it that he will follow. For instance, there's no way men like Ghandi went to hell, you just need to focus your life on love and kindness.
I'm pretty sure I explained that terribly, but the question is there lol.
It says to spread it.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Mat 28:19
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mar 16:15
The gnonsense about "those who want to listen" is to cast aspersions on those of us who do not agree with it. If you do not swallow it - you are either not ready, close minded, too ignorant or a minion of Satan. Find some one who does not sign up for instant salvation? No problem. Shake the dust off your feet, move on and god will be along to make their lives miserable soon.
"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city." Mat 10.14
How do you know is some one "wants to listen" if they do not directly approach you and ask you? I am going to walk up to a random stranger and ask what they believe?
This is a typical example:
"Some folks are determined to reject the message of Jesus. There are many reasons why this is true, but they all boil down to one truth -- Satan has poisoned their hearts to the good news of God's Kingdom in Jesus Christ."
Now - all these instructions were directed at the disciples, but the Kristians think they were directed at them and are obliged to spread and defend this nonsense to the death. They have decided that "taking up the cross" means spreading The Nonsense far and wide no matter whether anyone wants to listen or not. Hence the wars.
On the outskirts of a village a statue was erected in honor of one of its
hero. It had a sword in one hand and a shield in the other. One side of the
shield was covered with gold while the other one was covered with silver. Two
unknown persons came there each from the opposite direction and began
expressing their views. One said that the statue was beautiful and more so
because its shield was covered with gold. The other said that the shield was
not covered with gold but was with silver. A quarrel ensued between them. A
wise man came from the village by that time and said that the shield was
covered with gold as well as silver. Let both of you just exchange your
places and see the other side of the shield. Both realized their error and
apologized to each other for fighting falsely
I don't think it matters what color the shield is. I genuinely don't care what color anyone thinks the shield is and it certainly is not worth arguing about.
The problem comes when the shield starts speaking to the other one and telling him what to do. And tells him to tell me what I should do also. Now we are going to argue, because I don't hear the shield speaking to me.
I have head a slightly different version of this story, to do with a beautiful lady with an beautiful hat of red and purple, the fight being over the color of the hat of course
What silly things we find to fight over
Gun to my head, have to pick a religion, its gonna be Buddhism. I think I would rather that the remaining people were just all spiritual folks with strong values and were committed to teaching their children the same. Over time I am sure our decedents would create some new religion, kirstenblogism or something
but by then at least I gave what I could to real spirituality and its out of my hands. To many people worried about controlling others methinks
Ikkyu, the Zen master, was very clever even as a boy. His teacher had a precious teacup, a rare antique. Ikkyu happened to break this cup and was greatly perplexed. Hearing the footsteps of his teacher, he held the pieces of the cup behind him. When the master appeared, Ikkyu asked: "Why do people have to die?"
"This is natural," explained the older man. "Everything has to die and has just so long to live."
Ikkyu, producing the shattered cup, added: "It was time for your cup to die."
Maybe we should re write the dictionary, all the survivors of hub pages could be involved.
We could leave out the word religion, just unite as one happy group of people..... Assisting each other with whatever each of us needs. Maybe leave the word money out also.
Just a thought.
You mean, "Give Peace a Chance ?"
Works for me.
Not too sure you'll get the religious fanatics and the God Squad to agree though. They enjoy going forth and smitting people !
well John Lennon is not the only person to want a peaceful life, you do not have to be a follower of anyone remember, just be yourself, I was under the impression most people would like a peaceful life.
I simply cannot understand this human obsession for religion and the need to worship something given the overwhelming evidence as to how, where and when religion started born of ignorant superstition why have we not simply out grown it.
Many sit around praying to nonexistent Gods for enlightenment and yet they can be the very same people who ignore the fact that through our gross over population we are destroying our own environment.
Perhaps they think if they pray loud enough for long enough their God will intervene at the eleventh hour to save them. So I ask what happens if he doesn’t ?
What if, as I believe, the solution is in our own hands ?
So the advice from this Prophet is put away your holy books and prayer mats and pick up a friggin’ shovel before it’s too late for the rest of us as well as yourselves !
I believe human cravings for religion will still be there & there would be a necessity to create a new religion to feed the psychological need of the survivors.
In such scenario, I might have gone for a modified version of Buddhism. There wont be a creator God & the emphasis would be given more on self improvement.
None, because religion only divides people. At the basis of all religions is the same thing (supposedly) - being loving, caring etc. But you can be those things without being a religious person.
If only a few people are left I would hope to have as many religions as possible represented to maintain human diversity and preserve important parts of our culture.
All Revealed Religions are truthful in origin being from one source of the Creator-God Allah YHWH; when somehow the original text is lost or the true meanings are lost; then again it is revived through a Messenger Prophet; like now all religions have been revived by Quran by the advent of The Second Coming 1835-1908.
I recommend the First Church of Shadesbreath.
I will rule over all with my wife at my side and a thousand naked, nubile slave-girls, all between the ages of 18 and 24 at my feet to do my bidding.
Ritual drinking will be required every night except Sunday where we will have ritual pizza first, then ritual beer.
All resources will be shared reasonably based on personal work ethic and responsibility with job assignments being doled out based on interest and aptitude. Freeloaders will be shot.
1000 naked nubile-slave girls? Have some mercy on other men...will u
I will always be a Christian! I also acknowledge that men make mistakes, There is no need for me to search the existentialist evidence because I love more than anything else and love can't be seen, it is felt.
I think when we started to worship the Sun and the Moon and other nature's forces, we should've stopped at that. If we have to invent matches again, you'd better believe in science and common sense to survive.
The true religions are Revealed by the Creator-God Allah YHWH; not made by man.
What "religions" are those Mr. paar, I noticed the plural in your comment.
There could be many;such as religions brought by Moses,Zoroaster,Krishna,Buddha,Jesus, Muhammad etc.
what about Babylonian, Celtic, Greek, Roman, Norse, Assyrian, Minoan, Egyptian, Sumerian, Akkadian & other numerous ancient Gods? All fake then?
Define man-made please. No No don't be coy now...you think Islam is the only true religion don't you?
Of course...but I guess that is also applicable for Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc...Who knows if they are man-made too
Jesus, Moses or Muhammad did not author any religion; they onyl told what was Revealed on them from the Creator-God Allah YHWH.
Your guess is wrong.
What u have is just a believe among the thousand other believes in this world. Believe & proof is not the same thing.
And im not guessing...Its a fact!
ha luv, and who the f''k started this ridiculous thread ha
Perhaps, for this thread, people are missing the actual point.
Religion is a deliberate, regulatory system, much like science or economics, even the mighty manticore, which humans designed and fashioned with laws, desires of documentation, rules, etc they use and regard as proof --for or against-- to further indoctrinate others into this way of thinking. It is thinking that is in question then, and of course how that thinking transposes emotions, of love/hate toward the view of that system of rituals. If a scientist used their methods to perform certain tasks, developing an 'adequate solution' society would easily deem science as absolute province. It would be the new religion. By the same methods, theology would deem those exact things as provable and designate itself as absolute.
However, when looking at all applications of any possible structure of a post or pre planet, where humans reside, clearly and divisively indicates that the human nature will always submit itself to the doctrine and ultimately dismiss its purpose. This is adaptation, so man can continue to exist. This is the argument of evolution yes? Survival of the fittest. But no one knows for certain what the fittest is, so continues the cycle of mans failure. A failure to recognize his worth, his value in the grand scheme of things.
Before any group can decide absolutely the human purpose, they must clarify the origin of humans, with absolution. Documented or not. Else, humans will always be confined to this prison of self. And as history has so brilliantly shown --as well as exploited-- the self is the key to man demise. The further humans engage their ideas, the further from satisfaction the progress. And most certainly, the further from perfection they move.
But humans and humanism, titled a theism or atheism is merely a new way of regurgitating an old habit. It is no secret that most selfish and self proclaimed liberated humans of religious zeal are nothing more than people who have traded one false doctrine for another. True, the worst kind of self is one who is either so absorbed in themselves and their dislike for the ritual ideology or so absorbed in favor of an ideology that they will kill, lie, murder, steal, cheat, deceive, mis-quote, mis-represent their own limited experience or full engagement of their former ideology- or anything possible/within reach (be it books, keyboard or clubs) to suppress, negate, dissolve and otherwise destroy any other ideology, so that they may survive and achieve an assumed supremacy over another. History has shown this since the first stone was place on the alter of baal, the first scientific discovery paved the way for atomic fusion, killing millions in seconds and the new world dismissal of any presence of unity with the human origin...
Well, I'm not born Jew,or into multiple wives,or like to rub snakes on me,or believe that a cow is sacred,or that god will reward me with 70 virgins for martyrdom,or that we are actually monkey-men in a world caused by explosion. I guess I'll have to go with Christ.
Biggest joke in this thread is statement- Buddhism is christianity without christ. I wonder since when buddha's teachings were as deluded as bible & christ? But then again such crap is obvious from deluded christians,that's christianity for you.
or improperly?It has been studied by hundreds that are smarter than us.
All Religions are giving advices .You have to choose . Dont blame & belive religion . Because religion not help you . Your good & bad will only judge you in front of GOD .
In all seriousness to the OP,
If we were starting from scratch
I would invent a new religion
We would worship in hotels and spread the word advertising on condom covers, you must be 25 or older to convert [no proof of conversion wanted]
And it's primary message; do into others as they would outwardly do to you.
Treat thy neighbour with the kind of treats you, yoursef, would like to be treated with.
just a thought
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