Atheism
Hi and Welcome to HubPages
By now you are certainly aware of the volatile religion forums and the numerous hubbers representing just about every possible belief or nobelief. Most threads end up being wars in themselves.
To answer your post,I think each of us has a right to believe or disbelieve what we want. That each of us is on a path or a journey of our own, thus we are all right where we are supposed to be. Personally I believe in christianity but have friends - good friends - of many other beliefs.
Good luck on Hubpages, HollyHow far does that right go though? What if your belief includes believing that other beliefs should be punshied? (as in fact lot of religions actually say that, but only the fanatics seem to follow that part).
Double thanks for the welcome and not quoting the bible
I think it is up to each of us to allow. Christianity as I understand it is not to punish other faiths, and I cannot speak for other faiths. If I recall...Vengence is mine says the Lord. It is clearly something not for mere mortals to decide.
PS There are fanatics and extremists in every faith and they all make me nervous.
By this reasoning...we should allow rapists, murderers etc.
infact religion and political ideology has caused most murders..Is that so...hmmm, and here I thought it was greed, lust, control, power and immorality. That's only in my world.
Christians should. Some people murder and commit violent acts against their will. Some people are sick and have no control over their actions. If it's not our place to interfere with god's plan, then they should be free of human punishment and/or prevention. Furthermore, there have already been countless murders and tortures not only allowed, but perpetrated by the church (burning witches, the inquisition, the burning of Giordano Bruno for stating the Sun was one more star among others)
LoL
would you prefer something from confuscious? He can't save your soul
how about jung? nope, sorry, he can't either.
how about freud? nope, not quite good enough either.
This is Gods thoughts.
paraphrased for you:
You were not born atheist, you chose to be, somewhere along your lifepath. The scenario is this: a result from adam and eve having babies who had babies, who had babies, (outside of the garden) who had babies, and they had babies, who had babies, whom also had babies and whose babies had babies (all outside of the garden) and eventually those babies had YOU. Now you are not in a punished state but rather a in a state of result, (the result of babies having babies who had.... yknow) Now in this position you have free will, you can choose what you want to do and believe and you can be in control of your own destination (not destiny but more arrival point after the facts) Somewhere along the lifepath someone will mention jesus to you (JESUS - like that maybe) and you will make a choice of listening or not, accepting or not and therefore you will either be a believer or a non-believer. Because of the new covenant with JESUS being the last sacrifice for the abolishment of sins effects on a Believer, which is called the dispensation of his Grace and Love, (much like the love that brought a captive people out of bondage and slavery in egypt, when no one asked him too) you will not be smitten, all smiting comes at the end of "all things" or "judgment day" which will be more than a day lol. So as a non-believer you will carry on through out your life, someone else may come along and say JESUS to you again and if you choose not to believe you will die an atheist or whatever you want to call yourself. However, that you would die an unbelieving atheist is not Gods will. OBVIOUSLY if you care to think about it.
hows that
So, your god knows when the starving will die and knows they are praying for a morsel of food? He does not hold them as treasure? He holds you as treasure?
It's little wonder the starving are angry at your god, even though they themselves are Christians.Are you talking about all the contradictions believers have provided in order to explain a contradiction?
I need only to look at religion to see the problem.
Oh, I see, you are the arbiter of who is Christian and who is not?
Yes, I know, and according to you, the starving are not gods treasures, but you are.
There's still time to be honest, too, if you wished to be so.Come on Beelzedad, you can do better than this, you contradicted yourself and generally must be tired, I am used to much better trollism than this from you.
Would this be another example of your god's wisdom from the "good book?"
"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)
Oh that's right! His son came along and made all his fathers hate better in the watered down bits.
Really?
So, Christians get their prayers answered when it suits there fancy, like sending their kids to Disneyland and other such trivialities. Yet, other Christians are ignored by your god, must suffer and die an agonizing death from starvation while someones kids get to ride the Mickey Mouse merry-go-round, all because your god answered their prayers?
And, I contradicted myself?
Funny stuff.So now you don't understand prayer?
first off, God answers prayer when it suits Gods design, he is not very fanciful, if you think for a moment you may recall.
Kids who get to go to disneyland probably have a disneyland nearby thus making the trip at least reasonable, of course i have yet to come into contact with a Believer who actually prays to go to disneyland, but whatever. In North America we have a comfy lifestyle that allows for trivialities, even if we are Believers, but, perhaps some little child did pray that, bless the little children, so God does.
Most Believers pray for other stuff, like helping people in flood situations, policemen be safe while working a dangerous job, somebodies cancer. More lives be saved, hubbers smarten up, etc... good solid reasons you can't debunk with your made up scenarios.
Although it is true that in China, for running a home church the pastor and congregation can be jailed for doing so, i assume this might be the suffering you are talking about because in North America we have it pretty good -so far. We are talking about christianS, plural, right, not the unsaved which aquasilver smited you with in his last response; a mortal wound to your self proclaimed brilliance, indeed. +passes you a tourniquet. So while the christian is in jail suffering horribly, (God has covered this already by saying that blessed are they when they arrive in his kingdom and the blood of the saints martyred are under his throne ready unto the day of gods people) anyway... since God has their backs, it is a shame that Gods smiting days are over because the Chinese just, by now, may have been smitten off the map... things are never around when you need them huh, and we would have to produce stuff in our own countries, encouraging jobs.. but i digress... In the land of la de da a christian family, including children are going to disneyland because little timmy thought it a good idea to pray for such a cause.
Really, beezlebub.. the door is over there, close it behind you. When you try to think you are funny stuff too.
but i love ya, ya upright monkey
aqua wrote "The (sad) fact remains that God has chosen to hold some folk as treasure, and seemingly others as not treasure, which obviously angers greatly those who feel they have been overlooked.
I do not understand why this is, except possibly that God knows our hearts, and knows who is in terminal rebellion to Him, and who will repent and turn to Him, before we do."
So this is why you are so much better off than I am aqua?
I was wondering about your superiority and where you got it from!My anger?
Don't flatter your fairy! Really? Or is anything that disagrees with your particular god "angry"
So god has terms. Sounds like a used car salesman!
No, I know exactly what your god is like. He wrote about himself through "the word" remember?
According to your "good book" he threatened like a spoilt 3 year old would, he punished like hitler's SS would, he allowed women to be treated like cattle and he lied like a toad about prayers being answered. Like I said......
Ever noticed how atheists quote the bible more than christians do. You just know they have it sitting right there by them while they are on the computer, so they can use it as a weapon whenever they get the chance.
4 posts with scriptures, one from a non believer (no such thing as an atheist.)
This becomes a whole new way of collecting statistics in the hands of a religionist. The truth is always the first casualty.I am working today and so just popping in and out - I notice that the current fundy's on a mission are not too bright and almost no fun at all. Makes me quite miss the good old days of last month when a thread could really wind up. !!
True the fundies are still crazy, but less fun than a couple of the other fundies we had a while back.
Yeah - we seem to have acquired some Forest Gump clones from somewhere. I wonder why the Pope never comes down here, or at least a cardinal
I always thought that Cardinal Sin was an unusual name for someone to have.
Apparently he missed it, although I thought a name change would have been in order.
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