Soul or spirit? Hell or heaven?

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   Baileybearposted 14 years ago

   Which part do christians believe go to hell/heaven?  The soul or spirit?  Or bit of both?  There seems to be disagreement about definition of soul and spirit.  Definition of soul sounds same as neurological output (feelings/cognition/personality etc)
   
   Some christians define the soul as being the same as character/morals. 
   
   Some say the soul departs.  Some say the soul dies with the body (so wasn't really separate entity?)
   
   If only the spirit endures, but not the soul then how does one feel emotions (eg like pain in hell or euphoria in heaven)
   
   Finally, is there any evidence that a soul and spirit exists?  We have already had the subjective experiences of near-death-experiences presented.  Anything else more concrete?

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The problem is that believers have not really defined the "soul" so they have no idea what they're actually talking about. If they define it as feelings/cognition/personality, then we can easily offer the case of the one who has lost those characteristics as a result of brain damage. What then?

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         Baileybearposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         my thoughts too.

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         hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         lol
         how does brain damage obliterate the soul? Its still in there just the husk is not working..
         So people in wheelchairs as quadriplegics have no soul?
         really now

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            Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Who said anything about quadriplegics? Funny how believers either have reading comprehension problems or love to put words in other peoples mouths.
            
            "Just the husk is not working"
            
            LMAO! Very funny stuff!

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               hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               k  how does one lose feelings/cognition/personality.
               according to what you wrote. Do they have brain damage and appear normal. Are you talking about alzheimerz?
               The problem is you don't really know what you are talking about and when i try to decipher your vague quasi-sentence, you switch streams just to keep your argumentative flair goin on and become insulting with some barbaric generalization about all believers which has just about the same amount of common sense as your ridiculous posts that you blindly say make sense.
               Very funny stuff, indeed.
               You failed so miserably on the disney and starving scenario and yet you try again with another vague sentence. What prompted you to use the einstein icon? Irony maybe? ego? pride? certainly not accuracy.
               LMBO

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                  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  So sorry that you're having reading comprehension issues.
                  
                  
                  
                  Of course, that is what all believers believe, as their god continues to ignore the starving and sends kids to Disneyland. Why should the believers care about the starving when their prayers for trips to Disneyland are answered?
                  
                  
                  
                  Ah yes, the typical offering of personal insults in light of forming an intelligent argument.

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   Joe Badtoeposted 14 years ago

   You've already done a topic on this
   why start another one with virtually the same query?
   
   Forget the soul let's move to the feet.
   
   Are feet just our imagination walking around our soul?

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      Baileybearposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      No, I want to know more about the distinction they make with spirit (and define it better). 
      
      Speaking of feet - amputating limbs doesn't mean anything has changed about the "soul" - it's not like a bit of soul dies with the detached body part?  Or do some think otherwise - is that why some bury the placenta?
      
      I'm working on a hub about death - hence the many questions

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         Joe Badtoeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         'working on a hub about death'??
         
         
         remind me to invite you to a party!
         
         What about if the soul is in your leg and that leg is amputated
         
         wouldn't that 'defeet' the objective?

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            gooberpyleposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            joez badtoez more like bad breath,and quit flipin' them skevies,boy changum at least onced a week,puuuweee,joe good god amighty,straigten up an fly right badtoe head else i'll have 2 put a prune over yer eye not a bad idea anyhoo quit aggravaton that girl.

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         gooberpyleposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         well billy beer i'll see ifen i ken help ya out now like my ol' granpappy used 2 say( let me sifer this fer ya )as god iz tri uin so iz we theirz the father,the son,and the holy ghost(spirit)we ain't quite the same as god,the creature will near be the same as the creator,anyhoo you got yer flesh an blood vehicale the spirit rides around in, savy?the soul comunicates betwix the 2 don't ya see,now don.t listen 2 ol sour faced bettlejuice r beelzebub r his bunk buddy alternater pot cauze 1za chowder head senic and the tutherz a devil,when the body gives up the spirit(or the ghost)the spirit goez into itz reward(heaven we hope)the body and soul go back to the clay whooweee.the spirit of the lord waz wif me taday.hope that helped little fuller.ol goober

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   aka-djposted 14 years ago

   Actually, all three!
   you failed to include the body.
   There is a thing called the resurrection of the dead.
   The dead "in Christ" have a body like His, post-resurrection, and the "others" will be cast into the Laker of Fire.
   Just a "minor" technicality.

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      Baileybearposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      so even though the atoms of dead bodies have been recycled over and over and are scattered everywhere, they will somehow "resurrect"

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   Disappearingheadposted 14 years ago

   I believe that the soul is the character, personnality, emotions, will, memories, in fact everthing that you are and it resides in the brain. When you die, your brain dies, so does your soul.
   
   Your spirit does not exist. It's a mythical pagan idea adopted by the Catholic church and perpetuated in order to keep the fear of hell burning.
   
   All people good and bad who died I suspect are still in their graves and will remain so until a resurection.

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      gooberpyleposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      auh shudup an disarear head u are so far off u dumb hill billy i thank ur already brain dead u stink.

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         Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I come from the wrong part of the world to be a hill billy. Perhaps your inability to spell marks you out as one though.

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            hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            one of the banned having a hissy fit

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      Baileybearposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      that's what I'm starting to make of it too disappearinghead

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      Rookie70posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "God is a spirit, and those who worship him must do so in spirit and in truth."  If the spirit doesn't exist, then God doesn't exist. Didn't God say in the beginning, "let us make man in our image?"  The truth is, the spirit does exist, and is at war with the flesh, if you're a believing Christian. The flesh wars against the spirit, and the spirit wars against the flesh.

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         Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Being made in God's image does not mean we are also spirit. A photo of a person is an image but that photo is not flesh and blood is it. We are made of flesh and that alone and we will die.
         
         If we had an intelligent immortal spirit then why do people often suffer personnality changes resulting from brain damage? Why are people unconcious when in a coma? Why arn't those with neurological conditions not Einsteins? In short why does this spirit not take over our cogniative functions? Amswer. It does not exist and we live in the brain.
         
         The spirit of a man in scripture is a metaphorical term used when attempting to discuss that part of our minds tuned into God.

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         getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         The bible explains nothing.  It only makes up stuff.  Get real.

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            hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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               getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               You don't really have a rebuttal, do you?
               Just as well, your rebuttals have failed every time.
               
               EVERY TIME.
               
               But despite that, you keep right on believing that a silly bible, written by unknown charlatans, somehow trumps reason.
               
               This is insane.

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            hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            that post explains nothing, It only just made something up.
            Get real
            

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               getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               
               
               Still no rebuttal, huh? Sadly, absurd.
               
               Why don't you use your bible to rebuke my statement?
               Oh, I forgot, the bible was written by primitive charlatans from long ago, who knew very little compared to the scientific minds of today.
               
               When you argue for nonsense, you just look absurd.

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