Why Do So Many Follow What They Imagine i.e."god?"

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   qwarkposted 12 years ago

   This "god" thing is imagined. "It" cannot be defined (except in the form of opinion and conjecture), "it" cannot be "known," it is incorporeal and indefensible.
   To my way of thinking, to allow ones life to be guided by that which is imagined and has "its" foundation based upon "hope," is insane.
   Are "believers" insane?
   If you think not, why not?
   Qwark

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      kessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Is there any with an understanding of the nature and way of the imagination and how it works to fulfill it's purpose in all things?
      
      
      If then the imagination is a reality then what about the things that are contained within?
      
      Is it not true, whatsoever a man imagine as TruTh , then to that man, that thing is true or a reality?
      
      If then you seek actively to invalidate that which another has imagined, are you not then in the process giving that which He imagined much more validity?
      
      What then is insanity? Since both employ the same imagination in order to go their own separate way?
      
      I tell you then, if one is indeed insane then the other is also the same.

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      Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The 'unknown' does not equate to the non-existant.

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         DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         if it did...gravity wouldnt exist.

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            Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            don't get me started on that b!#@#%#@% theory known as gravity!!
            
            According to the fine folks at Viagra, what goes up might not have to ever have to come down
            

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               DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               if lasts more then four hours you needca doctor. wait a second ...am I still here??? DAMN YOU!!!!

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                  Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  a doctor?
                  
                  you mean a lumberjack?
                  
                  

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                     DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     "I aint jacked my lumber baby, since my chain saw you" 
                     
                     jackyl.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A52p9jc-gOo

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                        Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        didnt they perform with Sonny and Cher a few years back (When Sonny was alive, that is)

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                           DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           sonny is dead?

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                              Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              he is, as the say in Hollywood, 'Billingslied"

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         qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         True Greek:
         Why would one guide his life based on that which is unknown?
         I would classify that as being absurd.
         Why do so many willfully and seriously involve themselves in   the realm of the absurd?

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            Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            why are you changing the subject to that of marriage?

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         Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Prove the non-existence of god with something other than a theory. Proof of God is this. If God does not exist, then this is all an accident. Ever been to an accident? Total outright chaos. If you then imagine that that same chaos should be evident in this particular accident, you would be wrong. Everything in this universe is acting exactly the way it should, at exactly the moment it should be doing so, otherwise, mathematics would not be able to be the foundation for any theories. So, far from being an accident, the universe is perfect, and everything in it, is doing just as perfectly as intended. Even we are perfect. If we need an adaptation for changing circumstances, our DNA mutates, so, to a point, we are self-correcting.

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      Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I'm so very glad I found you guys. To actually know people who know all the answers,  why, I was just about to abandon the search! Tell me, oh great and wonderful wisemen: What is consciousness? What and from where does energy come, and whither does it goest? From where does gravity come, and just how does it make "nothing" explode? (actually, a trick question Now, for the last question. If God is invisible and undetectable, how does anyone know he wasn't present at the big bang?

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         Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         i was at the big bang.... man, I miss college!

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      vox vocisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I am definitely not insane.

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   qwarkposted 12 years ago

   Someone must have a thought?
   Ya'd think that "believers" would jump all over this question...:-)

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   pisean282311posted 12 years ago

   Are "believers" insane? . No...
   
   Even science says we are wired to be spiritual...So it is natural..or called it being sane...

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      qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Pisean:
      I agree that there is a genetic propensity for belief in the supernatural that has been programmed by tens of thousands of years of conscious wondering and seeking.
      If this is a fact, then it offers proof that man is still a primitive creature bound by an abject state of ignorance.
      IF that is a fact, it will take many more thousands of years to sublimate that "built in" generic characteristic.
      The only way man can override genetic programming is thru genetic engineering and that potential is far down the road. Because of the present, world human condition, it seems to me that there is not enuf time left for man to save himself from the results of religious fragmentation which seems to be dragging him into a future in which the self-fulfilling-prophecy of Armageddon will become a reality.
      Give me a reason to think otherwise....ty ..:-)

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   gulnazahmadposted 12 years ago

   Qwark we are not insane.
   
   Our mind and science accepts it. Have you ever seen a thing which has been created by itself.............the answer is no. Then how can you say that there is no God.
   Believers are not insane because they know that nothing can be created out of itself, there should have to be a creator. God is the creator of everything and even if we cant see Him we can feel his presence in every object He has created in this world.

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      qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      guina:
      you must first define what it is you speak of i.e. this "god" thing. You see "it" is not defined in any monotheistic tome in any form but opinion and conjecture. Once you have done that, then you have the responsiblity to prove that such a "divinity" exists...that "it's" not imagined.
      All you have offered me in your response: " God is the creator of everything and even if we cant see Him we can feel his presence in every object He has created in this world."...is but an opinion/presumption. So it has no credibility.
      So why aren't believers "insane?"

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   DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years ago

   In my life, the believers I have met face to face..NOT talking about hubbers here..
   
   I wouldnt go so far as to say they are insane,(welllll...my mom is but thats another story) but I think they follow God because then its all out of their hands. Whatever happnes..oh well..it was God's will. It seems to alleviate alot of stress and responsibility.

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      qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Doormat:
      That's what "primitive" man used the concept of supernatural divinities for...to alleviate superstition and fear. We are not a mature species yet and many,many people on this planet live as they did 6000 yrs ago...barely eaking a living out of the soil and functioning just to survive. They, of course, believe in metaphysical objects/entities which provide "hope." All that todays beliefs do, is provide the same i.e. "hope."

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         DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         "hope" yup. That's it right there. (ps..its eke out a living. haha. just teasing.)  Maybe you should ask if they are desperate or sad or depressed...

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            qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            doormat...lol   right!  "eke!" TY for correcting me!   :-)
            Many times I type and use phonetic utterences. My mind is a helluva lot faster than my fingers....lol...appreciate ya!  :-)
            They are all of the above, sad,depressed, deprived and hopeless.

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            Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            You people seem to know others who follow a strange god. The only thing that might make me depressed is if I found out that our continued survival is in no one's hands but the inhabitants of this world. If this is so, then we are truly in deep dung. Humans have only managed to make bad problems worse. Name one major problem affecting our future existence that man has ever solved. What we need is a strange visitor from another world, But alas, no superman here. Better hope there's a god out there, because my faith in my fellow man is non-existant, and a world without hope is something none of us wants to see.

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               qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Druid: There is no reason to have faith in man.
               All we have is hope....yes we are in deep "dung."

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                  Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Naw, He's there. But WE need to do our part. We are our brother's keeper.

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                     qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     ...tel me why you think "he's" here...ty

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               DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               mmmmm.....Im so tired today, I may not be expressing myself well. I wasnt implying anything about God, I only meant the people I have met..in live life...have been sad and all that. Perhaps everyone is?

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                  Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I tend to be quite upbeat, but I will point out that truly aware people can't be "happy" about the state of things in the world, in the hemisphere, or in their immediate geographic area. It is best to seek happiness among the blessings that you have. There is ALWAYS someone less fortunate than yourself. Depression and manic depression are clinically treatable probs, and are also widespread throughout the world.

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                     DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     happy/unhappy about the state of the world and happy/unhappy with self are two different things.  I really haven't met tons of people in my life, but I was raised in an absurdly oppresive cult-like religion. (I am, of course, well aware of the fact that religion and God are not the same thing.)  My origional comment was based on first hand experence. The people I have met do not seem to truly believe in God. Just whatever a preacher told them the Bible said they are supposed to do. And ALOT of it had to do with no accountability for actions, it was all..what? The Bible told me to.
                     
                     again, I am not speaking of hubbers, just my little old small town I grew up in.

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                        Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Probably accounts for the amazingly small numbers that will be saved. Christians in general have been taught that to be on God's A-list is easy. I don't believe this, and the evidence is in the bible. As to your particular situation (upbringing) were you aware that River Phoenix' family was involved in a Pedophillic cult? Surprised me. There has been a number of charlatans and apostates who have muddied the waters. These people were foretold. The predators of the Catholic church are part of these. Best in some cases to await the apocalypse , when all will be revealed.

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                           qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           hahaha   yer a sick puppy druid...:-)

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                           DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           nope. did not know about River Pheonix's upbringing. Thanks, will have to look it up.
                           
                           This is my last comment here as this is about to get all ugly, like always.
                           
                           I have no intention of declaring my personal beliefs here, on HP's forums, as its been proven over and over that both sides will tear you to shreds if you don't agree with them.
                           
                           I see where Qwark is coming from, but I do not think believers are "insane".
                           
                           Ill leave y'all with this. keep in mind, believing in Science is a belief.
                           
                           
                           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPcHieRUcxo

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                              Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Being an Atheist IS a religion

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                                 DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 ok. NOW Im done. I answered your egg question...I think?

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   gulnazahmadposted 12 years ago

   Qwark if there is no God then how world created? This is my question from you. If you can answer it I ll believe it that there is no God.

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      qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      guinaz;
      pls sir, read my comments with thought. To this point ya haven't. My goodness!
      I never said there was no "god" thing!"
      I said to "DEFINE" it for me!
      The bible doesn't do it in a manner other than opinion and conjecture.
      When you can define "it" factually, reasonably and logically, then I'll look for proofs of "it."
      Now get yer grey matter workin' and try to produce a well reasoned definition of "it." One that is not based upon opinion, guess and hope...ty :-)

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   Zenofsongposted 12 years ago

   This is not a random godless chaos we live in. This is specifically precisely ordered and designed by consciousness. Consciousness put all of the toasters and Ipads on earth for a reason.
   
   The truth is, you are god. I wrote a hub about it. Here! Enjoy!
   
   http://hubpages.com/hub/Who-or-What-is-God

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      qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Zeno...and your comment is pure BS!
      Consciousness is a by product of the processes of natural selection on this planet.
      For a fleeting moment in geologic time, our god, the sun exists and because of it, we exist.
      Our creator, plain and simple is: serendipity!
      During the moment we are here and occupy space, we, fortunately, have been gifted with a uniqueness that may be rampant thruout our universe.
      For some, ungodly, arrogant reason we place special value on our lives when there is none.
      We are but a happening!
      When Our god, the sun dies, so does our history.
      A couple billion years from now, we will have just been a meaningless twinkle in the eye of a momentary, forgetfull incident...and the cosmos will not have known of our existence.
      So stop trying to find meaning when there is none.
      Live your short life and enjoy it as best you can for it will never happen again!

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