The Creator authored Quran; He claims it

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   paarsurreyposted 12 years ago

   The Creator-God Allah YHWH authored Quran; He claims it. Muhammad never claimed to have authored it.
   
   [4:137] O ye who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger, and in the Book which He has revealed to His Messenger, and the Book which He revealed before it. And whoso disbelieves in Allah and His angels, and His Books, and His Messengers, and the Last Day, has surely strayed far away.
   
   http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=131
   
   Every verse of Quran bears signatures of its author; it is Word of the Creator-God as the universe is Work of the Creator-God and every part of it bears His signatures.
   
   There is no other Revealed Book wherein the Creator-God Allah YHWH has claimed to author it

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      Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Nice try Paar.

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      exorterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I bet He never used a printing press either

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      Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      This is usually a sign that a propagandist is running out of propaganda to spread and is resorting to the very weakest of logical claims. 

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   You want people to believe because your book says that a "creator" created it, then it must be factual?
   
   Now that's too funny.

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      exorterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      God inspired men to write!

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         Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Oh really, can you prove that?
         
         How do you know what inspired the morons who wrote the bible or any religious scripture.
         
         How you do know it wasn't Satan inspired?
         
         The truth is you do not actually know anything about it. So please.

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            exorterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            If you follow Him he will let you know,
            You may not know but I do

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               skyfireposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Hows that for delusion ?

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   secularist10posted 12 years ago

   "Muhammad never claimed to have authored it."
   
   But nevertheless he did.

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      Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I authored it. In two days, in a drunken stupor. That's where the virgins come in...damn blackout. I forgot about that.

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   libby101aposted 12 years ago

   Sure... God picked a man who couldn't read or write to author his great book!

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      secularist10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Makes as much sense as some guy being born to a woman who was pregnant despite "never having had sex" (yeah right), and then dying... and coming back to life.

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         Fenixfanposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         No it doesn't secularist. You are comparing divine miracles to an illiterate person? Seriously? A person that had many wives and was a pervert to boot? That is what you are comparing the Virgin Mary and Jesus to?

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            libby101aposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            And not to mention Muhammad robbed carivans and allowed his men to rape the villager's wives!!! Big difference! And many other horrid things!

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            secularist10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yup.
            
            Both stories are unbelievable. You say the virgin birth was a divine miracle, Muslims say Muhammad's revelations were a miracle.
            
            I say you both need a drink. (Oh wait, Muslims don't drink, damn...)

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               skipper112posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Muhammed revealed how to have more than one woman, how to go to war, how to raid and rob neighbours.how to have orgies as spoils of war,
               Muhammed revealed the exact diverence to the Bible so Muhammed want's us to belive God changed his mind. So each verse is signed by Alah, if this is the case who can verify that Allah signed it.
               
               Why was Muhammed needed , after he can't verify Allah's writing , as you state he can't read or write. Back to square one, Now Allah wrote the Quran, it this right Paar?? now I ask again who  wrote the Quran.!!!
               If Allah wrote the Quran, then all Allah had to do is say it is written, and hand out copies, after all he created the world ( so you say) but Allah can't write the Quran with out Mumhammeds 'so called visions' sounds a bit of a tall story to me paar.
               
               
               Let me see if I have this right Mohammed never claimed to have written the Quran ( I agree Mohammed could not read or write) but wait a sec  'Secularist' said Allah did write the Quran.( druid think I need a drink to) So who really wrote the Quran, Allah, Monommed, or many scribes ( but only after Mumhammed died)
               
               Now you are saying that Allah A God (according to you) as Libby said picked a man who could not read or write, to Produce his 'so called visions from a Angel, as Allah was too busy to talk to Mohammed him self,' then you say the Quran was finnaly written dowm many years after Mohammed's death, and then Allah signed each verse as it was produced EXACTLY as Mohammed said!!!!, OH YEAH RIGHT
               
               
               More detailed explation of your statement needed  both Paar and Secularist please??

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                  secularist10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Well, I don't know about Paar, but my position is pretty simple: it's all BS. Christianity, Islam, Judaism--all of it.
                  
                  Here's what probably really happened:
                  
                  Islam: Muhammad had some dreams, hallucinations or visions of some kind (it was in a cave, if I'm not mistaken), and then came back to civilization with this new exciting message, it gained popularity, the new religion spread, and the final versions of the Quran were recorded by scribes and writers some years later.
                  
                  Christianity: Mary actually did have sex with someone (i.e. she lied), just like every other woman in history, got pregnant and had Jesus. Years later when Jesus died and was buried in the tomb, someone stole or otherwise removed the body from the tomb (maybe a deranged follower, maybe the Roman guards trying to mess with everyone, etc).
                  
                  Voila. There you have Islam and Christianity, cleansed of all the unbelievable tall tales.
                  
                  Muslims cannot prove that God authored the Quran, and Christians cannot prove that God authored or even inspired the Bible. It's all man-made. Pretty simple.

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                     exorterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     silly, silly, silly
                     someday maybe you will come to reality

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                        secularist10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Mmmm, and what reality is that, pray tell?

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                           exorterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           you will know when you receive it, telling you now will only sound like fairy tales

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                              secularist10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              I hear that a lot. Needless to say, it's not very persuasive, or interesting.
                              
                              Anyway, you do understand that your statement is just as compelling as the Muslim equivalent, right?

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                                 exorterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 the Bible says it will confound the unbelievers

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                                    secularist10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    Haha, how very cryptic of you. You artfully dodged the question, I see.
                                    
                                    Believe what you will, but it doesn't "confound" me at all LOL. Myths, legends, superstition, organized religions, black cats and voodoo dolls... I understand it all just fine. I don't accept any of it, but I understand it.
                                    
                                    I think my hubs and blog demonstrate how much research I have done on these beliefs, and my level of understanding.

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                                       exorterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       most so called believers do not understand a lot.
                                       I went to a Bible university, and one of the first things I heard went against the Bible and they did not know it, they talked the talk but did not understand it.
                                       
                                       a lot of self proclaimed Christians, do not understand the walk.
                                       so depends on just  who you got your information from, I do not know all of if, but some who don't think they do
                                       
                                       a lot of writings you can not depend on,
                                       
                                       any one calling it Myths and legends, does not understand

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                                       secularist10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       When I say "myths and legends" I'm not saying that all myths and legends are exactly the same, to the letter. Obviously, there are certain differences from one religion to the next. But essentially they are all the same, and they answer the same kinds of human questions in the same kinds of ways.
                                       
                                       As we run up against the right side of the screen here, I welcome you to comment on any of my hubs. I'd like to hear your specific take on the Bible and Christian doctrine. We can continue the conversation there, if you're interested, and ready for some criticism and debate.

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   Jeramiposted 12 years ago

   It is kinda like sinse they used to think that the world was flat!   and we know that it isn't therefore that is all the proof that I need that the world does not exist.

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   skipper112posted 12 years ago

   Secularist,
   You did put a smile on my face. nice to get some humor in these threads,
   ty my friend you made as much sence as paar, and it was Funny thank's.
   God bless

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      secularist10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Whatever you say, slick. You too remind me of Paar--you spell just like him! LOL
      
      Jokes aside, I'd like to see a serious rebuttal. Looks like it's not in the cards. No surprises there.

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         skipper112posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         year mate I know what you mean. And my spelling is verry bad sometimes I agree.
         But I did enjoy your post.
         Have a great day
         God Bless

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         earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         A serious rebuttal will see you banned. There is only free speech for religionists here now. They will have you banned for saying "hello"

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   aka-djposted 12 years ago

   If Allah had written (lets say inspired) the Bible, he must be VERY VERY VERY confused.
   
   The Bible teaches doctrines worlds apart from Koran. And IF the Koran was supposed to somehow "correct mistakes", there were 100% to be corrected.
   One example would be that Jesus was the promised Messiah, who was to die on the cross for all of mankind's sin, then according to Paar.. Jesus was NOT the Messiah, and He died in India. ????
   That's RIDICULOUS!
   
   It's so LAME, that I'm surprised I even posted this.

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      skipper112posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      aka-dj;
      G'day I belive paar said that Allah and NOT Muhammed wrote the Quran ( I accept this as Mohammed could not read or write) but then Paar stated every verse was signed by the author.Then why did Mohhammed have 'VISIONS' with a (so called) Angel if Allah was going to write the Quran. ( according to Parr) Allah is God, His Angel's, Mohanmmed a prophet so why did Allah need Mohammed's 'vision's' to correct the Bible wth the Quran.? Gets a bit confused I think, then the author is supossed to have signed every verse in the Quran, to make it reasonable and truthfull. aka-dj Mainstream Islam belives Allah took Jesus from the cross and put a bad person there instead. Paar's sect says Jesus went to India now  who do you belive. Islam or Islam???The stories get better every day, think I'll ask the next polar bear that flies past, the bear might make more sense.!!!!!!!!
      
      I beleive the more times Paar oppens his mouth the DEEPER he digs his HOLE, soon it will be so deep, Paar will not be able to crawl out.!!

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         Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Pearls before...well, you know.

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