One may ask questions from paarsurey about Quran/Islam/Muhammad

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   One may ask questions about Quran/Islam/Muhammad from paarsurey he will answer from Ahmadiyya sources with related references; Paarsurrey has no claim to any scholarship or to piety.
   
   Paarsurrey is only an ordinary man in the street in search of Truth.

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The propagandist has been exposed and knows he has been exposed.
      
      Desperation ensues.

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks for your comments

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      topgunjagerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Why is muhammad a pedophile?

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         That is only an allegation later invented.

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      dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      ok Parr honest Question...
      
      what is the difference between the Old testimate and The Koran?

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Quran corrects the accounts mentioned in the OT and highligts the Truth for humans.

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            dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I mean what are the differences, I have looked at both and they seem similar to me?
            
            just different profits yes possibly a similar story told differently, to me it seems like that anyway I mean

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               paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               If there is some truth in Torah; Quran would cofirm it; so Torah looks similiar to Quran.

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                  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  It should! After all apart from the alterations it is a copy of the Torah.

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                     paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Please quote ten connected verses from Quran and ten connected verses from Torah which have been copied.
                     
                     Wrong concept.

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                  dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Then if the First 5 books are similar?  Are they talking, (Just asking) about the same God?

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                     paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I don't see even a passage (connected ten verses) in Quran which is copied from Torah.

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                        mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Dear paarsurry there is no difference in the essence of any spiritual book.
                        Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus worship the same one god.
                        
                        The Qur'an sees Christians, Jews, and Muslims as ‘people of the Book’ and in one Sura it says: 'Dispute not with the people of the Book but say to them, your God and our God are One, and it is to Him that we bow'.

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                           earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           and another Sura that says:
                           
                           "Sura 3:151 Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers for that they joined companions with Allah for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the fire; and evil is the home of the wrong-doers!"

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                           dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           moh, my point here also, Same God

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                              mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              with you

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                        dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        If it is the same God?  Then why the rift between Sunii and Shea, and the dislike? And why the rift with Israel then?  same God right?
                        
                        I understand the Land issue well, have been there many times, I am not refering to that, I am strictly speaking of the Religion here? asking why?
                        and asking why common Ground is not allowed?

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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      Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The title of this threads says I may ask questions, correct?
      I'll ask again some things I've asked in other threads but that you seem to ignore.
      
      Does your god Allah love me?
      Did Allah or Muhammad or anyone from your religion actually give his life for the sins of mankind so that anyone can be saved if they so choose?
      Did that person then raise himself from the dead?

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Sure He does love every human being out of his mercy and kindness.

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         One has to care for one's own sins; it is not compulsory to sin; every human being is born innocent; why should one sin?

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Not even Jesus died on the Cross; so there is no question of Jesus' resurrection.

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   kessposted 13 years ago

   Kess is not interested in knowing quran/islam or muhammed
   
   Paarsurrey...please tell me as an ordinary man on the street... what do you know about Truth?

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for your input.
      
      There is no compulsion to know about Quran/Islam/Muhammad. In this thread I intend to answer questions from Ahmadiyya sources; and Quran is the primary source in this connection.
      
      Are you interested?

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         Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Why do Islamic propagandist's feel compelled to denounce other religions like Christianity in order to support Islam?
         
         Why do Islamic propagandist's claim Islam is peaceful when there are quotes in the Quran that condone violence?
         
         Why do Islamic propagandist's lie about science?
         
         

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         kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         In Truth Alone I have an interest.....
         
         Tell me the origin of Truth.....
         
         Maybe Paarsurrey and I may have a discourse.

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            paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            What if the Truth is mentioned in Quran with reasons and brilliant arguments?
            
            I think you should accept those reasons and arguments; I know you don't believe in Quran.

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               kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Are you saying that Quran is the source of Truth?

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                  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes.
                  
                  Word of Revelation has always been the source of absolute Truth.

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                     kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     ok then....
                     
                     So Truth to you is that which a man store in his pockets...
                     
                     So there is much advantage in having big pockets.

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   TahoeDocposted 13 years ago

   Paar, I am interested in the same way that I am interested in all religions.
   
   I will first ask this. Why is the Quran the source of the truth and not any other holy book, such as the Bible?

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      Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Islam holds that the Quran is the latest written communication from God, sort of like the Bible updated.

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         TahoeDocposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         But if the Quran is true, then the New Testament is not. Jesus may be a prophet in Islam, but is not considered to be the son of God or part of God.
         
         Which book you consider to be true has more to do with the geographic incidence of birth and of your parentage than proof of 'truth'.

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            Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            That's right. And sometimes there are weird twists. I live in a Christian area and am so disappointed at Christianity that I hope the Quran has more truth to it than the Bible does.

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               TahoeDocposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I can go ahead and make a prediction that it does not. From what I've seen, they are pretty similar. Their only 'proof' that they are true is that the book, itself says it is. (see Tim Minchin video called "The Good Book" for a humorous look at that and other Bible claims).

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               paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Quran corrects Bible (both OT and NT) and all other books revealed before Quran; and provides rational and reasonable argument for the claims made therein; Torah and other books lack these pecularities.
         
         [5:49] And We have revealed unto thee the Book comprising the truth and fulfilling that which was revealed before it in the Book, and as a guardian over it. Judge, therefore, between them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their evil inclinations, turning away from the truth which has come to thee. For each of you We prescribed a clear spiritual Law and a manifest way in secular matters. And if Allah had enforced His will, He would have made you all one people, but He wishes to try you by that which He has given you. Vie, then, with one another in good works. To Allah shall you all return; then will He inform you of that wherein you differed.
         [5:50] And We have revealed the Book to thee bidding thee to judge between them by that which Allah has revealed and not to follow their evil inclinations, and to be on thy guard against them, lest they cause thee to fall into affliction on account of part of what Allah has revealed to thee. But if they turn away, then know that Allah intends to smite them for some of their sins. And indeed a large number of men are disobedient.
         
         http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=48

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            Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Nope, looks exactly the same. An evil megalomaniac of a god smiting people for non-belief.

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It is a good question. All Word Revealed on all the messengers prophets contains light and guides equally; if it is secure and protected in the original language revealed and is not lost in translations. Word revealed on Jesus surely contained Truth; but where it is; neither the Creator-God authored Bible nor Jesus and it is tranlated from the Greek or Latin; the original Bible in Hebrew or Aramaic which Jesus spoke does not exist. It is the responsibility of Christians to produce the original Bible written by Jesus.
      
      The same is the case of OT.
      
      Quran respects Word revealed on Moses and Jesus or on any other messenger prophet; but where it is? :
      
      [5:42] O Messenger! let not those grieve thee who hastily fall into disbelief — those who say with their mouths, ‘We believe,’ but their hearts believe not. And among the Jews too are those who would fondly listen to any lie — who listen for conveying it to another people who have not come to thee. They pervert words after their being put in their right places, and say, ‘If you are given this, then accept it, but if you are not given this, then beware!’ And as for him whom Allah desires to try, thou shalt not avail him aught against Allah. These are they whose hearts Allah has not been pleased to purify; they shall have disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a severe punishment.
      [5:43] They are habitual listeners to falsehood, devourers of things forbidden. If, then, they come to thee for judgment, judge between them or turn aside from them. And if thou turn aside from them, they cannot harm thee at all. And if thou judge, judge between them with justice. Surely, Allah loves those who are just.
      [5:44] And how will they make thee their judge when they have with them the Torah, wherein is Allah’s judgment? Yet, in spite of that they turn their backs; and certainly they will not believe.
      [5:45] Surely, We sent down the Torah wherein was guidance and light. By it did the Prophets, who were obedient to Us, judge for the Jews, as did the godly people and those learned in the Law; for they were required to preserve the Book of Allah, and because they were guardians over it. Therefore fear not men but fear Me; and barter not My Signs for a paltry price. And whoso judges not by that which Allah has sent down, these it is who are the disbelievers.
      
      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=44

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   optimus grimlockposted 13 years ago

   if Muhammad and Jesus were the final 2 at the world series of poker who would win???

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      secularist10posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, that's easy, Muhammad would win. Because Muhammad was more cunning and crafty than Jesus, and he was himself a business man. Whereas Jesus would stand up, make a big speech about a rich man, heaven and the eye of a needle, and walk out.
      
      On the other hand, Jesus is God, so he would be able to see Muhammad's cards...

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         As usual the atheists only ridicule; they are short of reason.

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            secularist10posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Oh, lighten up Mr. Sunshine. Just having some fun.
            
            Speaking of reason, I have a serious question for you: how much atheist and skeptical literature have you read? Is it on par with your reading of the holy texts?

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               paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I am not in doubt; so it is not necessary for me to read such books. I read root books of religions; atheism is neither a religion nor they have any root book.
               
               Reading a skeptical book is however not a forbidden tree for me.

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                  secularist10posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Yet you expect nonbelievers to read your holy texts to educate themselves on your beliefs.
                  
                  If you would read up on the philosophy and arguments of atheists, perhaps you would see it is a lot more "reasonable" than you assume.

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   topgunjagerposted 13 years ago

   Why is it ok to have sex with 9 year old girls?

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      There is no such teaching in Quran/Islam/Muhammad. If you think there is such teaching then please quote it from Quran.

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   Onusonusposted 13 years ago

   Come on now let's be serious. Do you honestly think that God would manifest himself to some shepard in a cave in Saudi Arabia in the 700's or would he manifest himself as a baby in a manger in the year 0 to a virgin mom? Come on use your mind.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX-Aldx-LM0

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      mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Have you heard or read that god is omnipresent.?

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         earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Properly debunked on one of my threads.

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            mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You asked that question knowing you will debunk any answer you get form someone who does believe in god.You also know I am qualified to give you an answer yet you chose to debunk it.
            You were never looking for an answer.

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               earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I didn't do the debunking, but go ahead and explain this omnipotence.

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                  Onusonusposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  did you say bunkbeds? Dibs on the top bunk!

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                     earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I may have said that, but it is more likely I said bunk-heads.

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                  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Not omnipotence but omnipresent.

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                     earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Omnipresent, I got that wrong.

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                        mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I have answered you question, you told me to look at paragliders and I explained again what my opinion was with reference to paragliders openion.
                        I wasn't abusing you by answering your question.

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                           earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           I must have missed something here.

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                              mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Oh yes you have please go back and check.

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                              earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              I can't see where I said you were being abusive.

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         Onusonusposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I believe that God is omnipresent and yet he has a tangible body. Not personally; this would be impossible, a person can only be in one place at one time, whether he be an immortal or a mortal personage; whether he be high, exalted, and filled with all power, wisdom, glory, and greatness, or poor, ignorant, and humble. So far as the materials are concerned, a personage can only occupy one place in the same moment. That is a self-evident truth, one that cannot be controverted. His personage is not omnipresent, but His wisdom, power, glory, greatness, goodness, and all the characteristics of His eternal attributes are manifested and spread abroad throughout all the creations that He has made. He is there by His influence, His power and wisdom, His outstretched arm; He, by His authority, occupies the immensity of space. But when we come to His glorious personage, that has a dwelling place, is in a particular location. Suffice it to say that God is not confined in His personal character to one location. He comes and goes; He visits the various departments of His dominions, gives them counsel and instruction, and presides over them according to His own will and pleasure.

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            recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Oh dear.

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               Onusonusposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Oh yes......

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   " One may ask questions from paarsurey about Quran/Islam/Muhammad"
   
   "One will only get the same answers flogging his religion endlessly"

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   pisean282311posted 13 years ago

   what is role of first four caliph in writing of Qur'an?...it is true that present version of Qur'an can be credited to Uthman caliph..he standardized it

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   LeanManposted 13 years ago

   Why are there so few true Muslims in Saudi Arabia? Especially with it being the birthplace of your religion..

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    paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

    No harm in asking question; it increases understanding one another

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       Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Why do Islamic propagandist's feel compelled to denounce other religions like Christianity in order to support Islam?
       
       Why do Islamic propagandist's claim Islam is peaceful when there are quotes in the Quran that condone violence?
       
       Why do Islamic propagandist's lie about science?

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          paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I love Jesus and Mary and Christians.
          
          I only express what I sincerly believe to be truthful

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             Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Yes, despite contradictions, condemnations, denial of facts and fabrications, you will continue to believe such things are the truth, and you are free to do so.
             
             Unfortunately, the distortion of those freedoms and resulting dissemination of information is the problem.
             
             For example, your claim that you "love Jesus and Mary and Christians" is entirely contradictory to the condemnation of Christians and Christianity you wholeheartedly endeavor to publicly pursue here.
             
             Even more damaging is that you find this type of behavior reasonable, rational and respectful.
             
             It's what you "sincerely believe to be truthful"
             
             Yeah, I get that.

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                paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I love Jesus and Mary and what they did and believed in; they were Jews and knew no Christianity and Christians. Christianity was invented by the cunning Paul, sinful scribes and the misled Church.
                
                The Christians need to return to Jesus and Mary as their role model.
                
                I just want to make them understand this thing.
                
                There is no harm if you also believe and love in Jesus and Mary and what they did and believed in and accept them as the role model of your life; no compulsion however.

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                   Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Wonderful! You fulfill every expectation you've placed upon yourself.
                   
                   
                   
                   No one appears to be questioning your love of Jesus and Mary, which really has nothing to do with your motives and tactics here.

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                      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      for instance

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                         Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         Aww, so cute, just like a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo.

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                            earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                            
                            I had to go for a minute, now where was I?
                            Oh yeah!
                            
                            
                            That fitted like a hand in a glove full of diarrhea!

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          paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Just please quote one such verse from Quran and then prove your viewpoint from the context.
          
          If one cannot understand Quran correctly; one could be understanding science incorrectly.

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          paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          For instance

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    Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago

    Thanks for your replies.
    My next question is----do you understand, then, that your god is not the same God as the God of Christians?

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       paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I believe Jesus, Moses and Muhammad believed in the same Creator-God Allah YHWH; if Christians believe in some other god like Trinity; Jesus, Moses and Muhammad  denied it in very clear terms.
       
       Thanks for asking question; you or any other person may ask more question, if they like.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Where's the denials of Jesus and Moses?  In the Quran?

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             paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             From OT:
             
             Deuteronomy 6:5
                
             Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole strength.
             
             From NT:
             
             Matthew 22:37   
             
             Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind.

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                dingdondingdonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Those Bible verses don't prove anything about Jesus or Moses not existing or being denied. They just say you should love God.

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                   paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   The verses mention ONENESS of the Creator-God; these do not mention of any Trinity.
                   
                   I respect your faith however; no compulsion.

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             paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I mentioned from OT and NT and here is from Quran:
             
             [5:74] They are surely disbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the third of three;’ there is no God but the One God. And if they do not desist from what they say, a grievous punishment shall surely befall those of them that disbelieve.
             [5:75] Will they not then turn to Allah and beg His forgiveness, while Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful?
             [5:76] The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely, Messengers like unto him had indeed passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food. See how We explain the Signs for their good, and see how they are turned away.
             http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=73
             
             Moses, Jesus and Muhammad talked of the same Creator-God Allah YHWH; they did not believe in Trinity.

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    paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

    ?????

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       Home Girlposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       "a grievous punishment shall surely befall those of them that disbelieve"
       Your god is still threatening everybody, paar, isn't he?

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          paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          The Creator-God gives good tidings; some people may however out of their own free will disregard it; then it is their own choice.

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    Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

    My question (once again), is how can you say that you follow a  a non-violent religion when the Quran states...
    
    Qur'an:9:88     "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
    
    Qur'an:9:5     "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
    
    Qur'an:9:112     "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
    
    Qur'an:9:29     "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
    
    Ishaq:325     "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
    
    Qur'an:8:39     "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
    
    Qur'an:8:39     "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
    
    Qur'an:9:14     "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
    
    Qur'an:8:65     "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
    
    Ishaq:326     "Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth."
    ver seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'"
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    Qur'an:9:38     "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
    
    Qur'an:9:123     "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."
    
    Qur'an:8:72     "Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them - these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so." [Another translation reads:] "You are only called to protect Muslims who fight."
    
    
    Qur'an:8:73     "The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah's religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid - these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise)."
    
    Qur'an:48:16     "Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: 'You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture."
    
    Qur'an:48:22     "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah."
    
    Qur'an:47:4     "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
    
    Qur'an:47:31     "And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters."
    
    Qur'an:9:19     "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah."
    
    Qur'an:5:94     "Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment."
    
    Qur'an:2:193     "Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers."
    
    Qur'an:2:217     "They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: 'Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah's Cause have the hope of Allah's mercy."
    
    Qur'an:2:244     "Fight in Allah's Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all."
    
    Qur'an:2:246     "He said: 'Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?' They said: 'How could we refuse to fight in Allah's Cause?'"
    
    Qur'an:61:2     "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."
    
    Qur'an:3:146     "How many prophets fought in Allah's Cause? With them (fought) myriads of godly men who were slain. They never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's Cause, nor did they weaken nor give in. Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [warriors]."
    
    Qur'an:3:153     "Behold! You ran off precipitately, climbing up the high hill without even casting a side glance at anyone, while the Messenger in your rear is calling you from your rear, urging you to fight. Allah gave you one distress after another by way of requital, to teach you not to grieve for the booty that had escaped you and for (the ill) that had befallen you."
    
    Qur'an:3:154     "Say: 'Even if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain."
    
    Qur'an:61:4     "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause."
    
    Qur'an:61:11     "Believers, shall I lead you to a bargain or trade that will save you from a painful torment? That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive and fight in Allah's Cause with your property and your lives: That will be best for you!"
    
    Qur'an:24:53     "They swear their strongest oaths saying that if only you would command them. They would leave their homes (and go forth fighting in Allah's Cause). Say: 'Swear not; Obedience is (more) reasonable.'"
    
    Qur'an:4:74     "Let those who fight in Allah's Cause sell this world's life for the hereafter. To him who fights in Allah's Cause, whether he is slain or victorious, We shall give him a reward."
    
    Qur'an:4:75     "What reason have you that you should not fight in Allah's Cause?" [Another translation says:] "What is wrong with you that you do not fight for Allah?"
    
    Qur'an:4:76     "Those who believe fight in the Cause of Allah."
    
    Qur'an:4:77     "Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: 'Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?'"
    
    Qur'an:4:78     "Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers strong and high! So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?"
    
    Qur'an:4:84     "Then fight (Muhammad) in Allah's Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you."
    
    Qur'an:4:94     "Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah's Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: 'You are not a believer!' Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty."
    
    Qur'an:4:95     "Not equal are believers who sit home and receive no hurt and those who fight in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a grade higher to those who fight with their possessions and bodies to those who sit home. Those who fight He has distinguished with a special reward."
    
    Qur'an:4:100     "He who leaves his home in Allah's Cause finds abundant resources and many a refuge. Should he die as a refugee for Allah and His Messenger His reward becomes due and sure with Allah. When you travel through the earth there is no blame on you if you curtail your worship for fear unbelievers may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are your enemy."
    
    Qur'an:4:102     "When you (Prophet) lead them in prayer, let some stand with you, taking their arms with them. When they finish their prostrations, let them take positions in the rear. And let others who have not yet prayed come - taking all precaution, and bearing arms. The Infidels wish, if you were negligent of your arms, to assault you in a rush. But there is no blame on you if you put away your arms because of the inconvenience of rain or because you are ill; but take precaution. For the Unbelieving Infidels Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment."
    
    Qur'an:4:104     "And do not relent in pursuing the enemy."
    
    ... and please, in your answer, don't give us any excuse about needing to know the context of the words in order to rationalize lines like" "fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers"  or "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission"

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       paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Please quote only one verse from Quran which most suits your viewopoint with the verses in the context .

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          Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Let's start with this one...
          
          "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission"
          
          Would a peaceful religion fight until their opponents give up AND pay them?
          
          THht's not a religion Paar, that a protection racket

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             Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             You see, the Islamic propagandist has no interest in answering your questions even when he asks to provide examples.
             
             Canucks will oust the Predators today. (Hockey propaganda)
             
             No compulsion.

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          Disappearingheadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Paar you have lost all credibility. You continually try to deceive yourself and others with the lie that Islam is a peaceful religion. When Greek One supplies you with oodles of quotes from the Quran to the contrary, you go all evasive, stick on the blinkers and stick your head in the sand. It's the same old Paar; the same old tired nonsense.
          
          Next you'll be telling us that Jesus travelled to India for a chicken vindaloo, garlic naan, and onion baajee, all washed down with a couple pints of Cobra lager. Oh yes you already did, though you deny he drank beer though.

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             paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I think I asked him to select one verse which most suits his viewpoint and then quote the verses in the context; if he cannot do it for some reason; I don't mind if somebody else comes forward and quotes the verses in the context, at least five preceding and five following verses, and prove his viewpoint.
             
             Why is it so difficult for the friends here ? One will learn a lot in the process.

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    Home Girlposted 13 years ago

    Religion and common sense are NOT compatible, don't even try Greek One. Way too many people were sacrificed already on that altar, don't waste your time. They do not need your proof, they need your naivety and vulnerability (if you have any), to scare you into submission, to bend you low, to brainwash you until you believe into impossible, then they will go and brainwash somebody else. it's their life, it's their goal. I pity them.

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       paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       It is a wrong notion.
       I never scared anybody.
       The truthful religion gives good tidings more:
       
       [1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
       [1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
       [1:3] The Gracious, the Merciful,
       [1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
       [1:5] Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.
       [1:6] Guide us in the right path —
       [1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.
       
       http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … r.php?ch=1

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    Home Girlposted 13 years ago

    "When you travel through the earth there is no blame on you if you curtail your worship for fear unbelievers may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are your enemy." It's from your holy book. If you do not folow it you are not a true believer. So, whom you lie to - us who is in that forum or yourself? There is no mercy in your religion. You know that, paar.

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       paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       [1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
       [1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
       [1:3] The Gracious, the Merciful,
       
       His mercy is all-embracing:
       
       [7:157] ‘And ordain for us good in this world, as well as in the next; we have turned to Thee with repentance.’ God replied, ‘I will inflict My punishment on whom I will; but My mercy encompasses all things; so I will ordain it for those who act righteously, and pay the Zakat and those who believe in Our Signs —
       
       http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=156

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          earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          You prove what homegirl said is true in your very next reply!
          
          Laughable that you can't see the abuse.

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