Think about this: God, out of profound love for us allowed his own wonderful, dear son be sacrificed for our sins. He didn't sin one time. He didn't die for himself. He died for us, to save us. This is why he is called the savior. Jesus sacrificed his life to save us from hell, which were prepared for the devil and his angels. Matthew Ch. 25:41. I love unconditionally, inspite of all the false, terrible ridiculing of God and his true holy word I often observe in the forums. I accepted Jesus into my life because of the power of his love, and I have a strong desire to do what is right and to be a humble servant of God. There is no greater love than a man who would lay down his life for our sins. To all the christians: Why did you accept Jesus into your life?
'Cause I was a young, dumb and impressionable kid heading for war.
I almost became a preacher, but, fortunately, I reached the age-of-reason and was saved!
Education was my savior!
I'm not an atheist, agnostic, deist or a believer in mythical supernatural divinities.
I am now a "pragmatic realist," who considers monotheistic beliefs to be the bane of human progress and evolution.
I base this "belief" upon history i.e. 2000+ years of monotheistic murder and mayhem.
It continues on today.
What is so special about a man laying down his life for you ? Your armed forces are doing it every day, or are prepared to do it, I was prepared to do it - and I don't see it as anything so special. Do those people out there NOW with guns who are prepared to die for you - love you ? I don't think so.
Jesus died for our sins, this includes you. His death and resurrection provide the only way to eternal life. I thank God for the armed forces, but they can't provide eternal life for us. Those people out there with the guns may not not love me, but I know someone who does, and his name is Jesus.
You do not know anyone called jesus - there is no such person and may not even have been any such person outside of the god myth. Any more than there are giant skeletons being dug up in the mid east or noah's ark being dug up on Mt Ararat. If there IS (or was) such a person then show some proof. Your delusion is only yours - your myth did not die for me.
yes he did. Much delusion is based on the world and everything in it as being the total sum of existence. The belief that there is nothing beyond the physical is ludicrous. We see pictures of nebulas in space that don't excite us all that much but if we were to see them first hand as they really are, we would have to shake our heads and say unbelievable! yet there they are. We are so picture immune due to tv special effects.
God died for everyone, from the lowest drug addict, and killer to the nicest tea sipper.
I thank God for salvation. This dispensation of christ is sooo much better than the other. Unfortunately people who blaspheme God and use his name in vain get to live to do it again, but perhaps one day they too will be saved.
With God i am not limited to see touch feel. My world has room for miracles and wonders. It can never and never is, boring.
Enjoy the belief but if a belief does not bring happiness, what good is it?
just another delusion of Satan and a furtherance of devil work. (metaphorically speaking of course)
Proof is my walk but you can't see that. Too bad, it is a good walk full of confidence, shoulders back, giving to the poor, helping the needy, stopping off at elderly homes to offer some cheering up. community breakfasts, special meals. There is so much need.
Please report Jesus to amnesty, and get over it. Too many people do kill for Christ, regardless of what Jesus said.
I heard about a sinless man who had the power to save my soul from the lake of fire, who gave his life for me. Awesome that he turned out to be the very God who created all things! I cannot reason why anyone would NOT want to know and accept Him.
Hi Brenda, Thanks for sharing.I thank Almighty God for the souls I have reached. Our work is not in vain. Praise God!
yah... a life of rest! while the heathen rage lol. oops better prove im quoting the bible lol: Psalms 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? God is amazing. Everything is in christ, all the good stuff, truth, love, peace, rest, patience... and so on.
what a wonderful life.
and this is only the beginning...
Because while I was growing up and going to church, I could feel the power of His love whenever I was inside the church.
Not during Sabbath school, not during regular church service - just from being inside the church I could feel a powerful message of love flowing throughout my entire body. Being in church was the only place this ever happened, and it was only at a specific church. (I've been to a few, but not many)
I used to think it meant the church I was at was the "true" church, but have since come to understand there is no such thing. But, then, why did I only get the feeling at the one particular church? I think its because it was the first place I felt that way...but, then again, the church has moved a couple times since then. Even in the most recent building I had the powerful feeling of Love while waiting for services to begin.
Okay, can't answer that particular why, lol, so I'm only answering the original why.
I would attend a church, if it was the church of Love, and they gave lessons in love. Jesus wants your salvation by worshipping God and many Christian send their entire life preparing to meet the Lord, how do they know, its not Lord Satan.
I give love unconditionally by being unattached. For all I have in life is what I give away, with all the condition in the Bible, it would not allow me to give my love to everyone.
There is only one Lord, which is Jesus Christ. The christians are aware of this by reading God's holy word. There are churches that give lessons about love. I will pray that God will direct you to the right church. God loves unconditonally, so the bible will not stop anyone from loving everyone.
"God's love is unconditional", yet it has conditions?
still don't understand the contradiction, but if it truly exists...I mean, I see it, but can't explain it. I understand, yet I don't. I take it to mean - not everything is meant to be understood.
unconditional means that 'it' is for everyone. All people. There is not one person that cannot be saved. God says come to him as you are. whosoever. everybody.
What is the 'it'? The 'it' is salvation.
Gods love is behind his offering of salvation. If the salvation is not accepted the love will not be 'known'.
'Known' means to be experienced.
Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
does God love all people? Yes. Does that mean He is a doormat? to be walked upon and trampled underfoot, treated poorly and lied about, discredited.. NOPE, therefore did i say Gods love will not be experienced to those that are not His through salvation.
the right church? there is no right church! church can be in a park, or at the beach, as long as people are discussing God's Word for salvation.
You’re a woman; maybe you understand love is the most important behavior in the world.
That’s salvation is based on blind Faith, obeying without the deep consciousness of loving family world and a friendly world it is, for me.
Love is an attitude of making each other stronger with acts of kindness.
Not by angry, jealously God sending most to hell, mixed with military and politricks Motivate by fear.
blind faith.... yes.... do we continue in blind faith..... nope... What i hear lots of non believers saying is "prove God exists" and what i hear many believers saying is "God exists". The believers seem to have the proof they need while the NB still look for signs and wonders and proof.
Christ said "Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes THEY have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them".
the Believers have eyes to see and ears to hear while the NB have dull hearing and hearts that have waxed gross and cannot see.
How plain is the difference between the two. But for those who failed a previous attempt, another awaits you, this is gods love, but fall upon the Rock which is christ and submit to God this time round and receive new eyes and ears and heart through the salvation process.
three cheers for the Believers.
Rafini, You are absolutlely right. I was meaning the right church where the preacher is preaching truthfully from the bible.
Hi Rafini, What a beautiful message. God's love is powerful. Your experience is similar to mine. I also felt God's love before church service, and I still do. Thanks for sharing. Your words are very inspiring!
Learning about love does not require a god.
Understanding love does not require a god.
Love is an emotion every human experiences.
Hi Cagsil, You don't seem to understand that God is love. He is the source of love. This is why humans experience love.
And, YOU fail to see the irrationality of your words.
Conjecture and irrationality used to justify lack of knowledge and wisdom of life. God gaps, gotta love it.
Not true at all and you cannot prove it either. So please.
What about my God's love is better than your God's love, it’s the source of most wars. Is that not separating the love for most people on earth or is it spreading the love to everyone?
If Jesus was the whole source of love and be all. Most people on the globe who are not aware of Jesus would be not capable of love. True or false?
Jesus talked more about hell than about heaven,” How is this all loving God’s love?
Please folks, if God is love and love is the opposite of fear.
Would you not be able or daring enough to answer these questions above?
Fear is the opposite of faith. God gives everyone the ability to love. God doesn't desire for anyone to go to hell. This is why the bible speak about hell so that people will get on the right path. It is another example of God 's love for everyone.
The bible and other religious documents speak about hell, but not in the manner in which you've learned.
It's about guilt and control. Nothing more.
Woman Of Courage Base on what you said
Most of the World’s population is not aware of your God’s faith (Jesus) it would make them totally fearful and totally unfaithful for it opposite of your God’s love. If this vast majority is totally ignorance of your God desires, my question is.
It’s not their fault for being fearful and going down the wrong and narrow path. Should they burn in hell anyways?
If God dose forgives them, isn’t it lucky for them not to be aware of your God’s love, in the first place?
For the 450 other religions, gays, Jews and atheists who should know better about your God loves. It may give them an express ticket to a deeper level of hell.
Why, because God love them?
Something funny about Free will and Matthew Ch. 25:41.unconditionally love, who with Paul presented the main first concept of hell.
I wouldn't say most of the World's population is not aware of God's word. God is using people to share the gospel of his Love and Salvation all over the world. The gospel is shared on tv, radio, internet, word by mouth of his servants, etc. He is making sure everyone hear about his holy word. Not anyone will have a excuse to say they didn't know about his Love and the free gift of salvation.
WoC - Wait a minute!! You said "Fear is the opposite of Faith" Aren't there passages in the Bible where mankind is told to "Fear the Lord"? Wouldn't that then mean to not put your 'faith' in the Lord?
Sorry, but I believe fear to be the opposite of confident.
Faith would then be the opposite of disbelief.
I would think of confident as the result of love.
Love concur all and all what fear is, is the unknown.
Rafini, Good question. Yes, there are many passages in the Bible where mankind was told to fear the Lord. It doesn't mean to not put your faith in the Lord. The fear of the Lord, is having an awesome reverence that can only come from knowing him by experiencing his presence and observing his works in our lives. Fearing things other than God is a direct result of lack of faith or doubt. If I don't have faith that I will pass a test, I will experience fear. To my understanding, fear combines with disbelief that I may not receive the results I desire.
Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. It's quite easy to hold reverence for something without fearing it. Certainly, the fear of god is the fear of his wrath when he gets angry and starts wasting people.
Yes that is correct Beelzedad. Here are some examples.
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Or are these untrue because they are "out of context" :Lol:
I would still like to know about hitler, do you think I will get an opinion from anyone?
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel.
this is equivalent to someone who skips out on our judicial system. Don't show up for court and see how fast they come after ya. lol. Recall also the time this was given, IN the DESERT, everyone lived in tents and were moving around for 40+yrs. This law and most of what you take out of context or without thought for a reason why, was given while gods people were nomads in a desert. They did NOT have any jail. Can you imagine a tent for a jail.
Almost every OT testament verse, has a spiritual application. When God puts things to death in the OT testament, (talk about instant karma lol) he is also saying these things put to spiritual death each person. This death reminds me that God will not leave the wicked to suffer forever and ever but annihilate, extinguish them forever and ever, dead, death, done.
Our societies kill people for certain crimes but mostly we put them in jail and spend lots of money, keeping them alive for the 30 plus years they have to go on their life sentence.
The king of babylon was vicious. Israel never liked when they invaded and the persians too were vicious. All the nations back then were vicious, except Gods people. Hitler was vicious. Was hitler more vicious or less vicious i cannot answer truthfully, i do not know. Some part of me doubts hitler was less vicious than the philistines. But let us put that question aside and just read the word of God.
You'll like this, its a famous verse.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his
only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him
should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I am not afraid to let God judge Hitlers' heart if he were to pray the sinners prayer. Hitlers life would be tough for obvious reasons but if Hitler were sincere i think (this is not the spirit of god speaking to me but I myself do think thus) that Gods salvation would apply to Hitler.
Nebuchadnezzar received OT salvation
Daniel 4:31 While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.
Daniel 4:33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.
Daniel 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honored him that lives for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
Daniel 4:37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honor the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. the word strikes does not mean a flippant backhand but a wounding unto death. this involves beating to death, note the word is plural. Also includes smitten of disease or blighted by plants... rubbing poison mushrooms on them? It is not the same word as in ex 20:13 kill.. which means murder the word in ex 21:15 seems to indicate something more sinister.
I like the lev 20:27. there are no examples of disembodied spirits floating around in the OT. God says where spirits go to be reserved unto judgment day. They cannot be conjured up by some humans power and Gods word plainly says so in the phrase .... they have only themselves to blame... houdini discredited these types of people fervently during his lifetime. They are charlatans having only themselves as liars and deceivers to blame.
the rest can likewise be refutted and i am sure they have been previously.
Beelzedad, Unless you accept Jesus in your life, there are some things you will never understand.
And Yet an emotion given to us by GOD! as are all of our emotions!
I'm glad someone said this, so I guess now, you can "prove" a "god" gave you your emotions?
If not, then don't say it, as if it hold weight.
I've always known about God since I was little what impressed me most was my Mother's devotion and pius example, most of all
Love is not love when it is conditional.
There is no love in any religion!
They all have CONDITIONAL love. You can be loved if you believe in a god and obey it is not love.
The bible and quoran are hate filled tomes, no love to be found in either of them.
More of god's "love"
The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)
This is not love, it is psychosis!
I think this is called a slaughterfest
Stand in silence in the presence of the Sovereign LORD, for the awesome day of the LORD's judgment has come. The LORD has prepared his people for a great slaughter and has chosen their executioners. "On that day of judgment," says the LORD, "I will punish the leaders and princes of Judah and all those following pagan customs. Yes, I will punish those who participate in pagan worship ceremonies, and those who steal and kill to fill their masters' homes with loot. "On that day," says the LORD, "a cry of alarm will come from the Fish Gate and echo throughout the newer Mishneh section of the city. And a great crashing sound will come from the surrounding hills. Wail in sorrow, all you who live in the market area, for all who buy and sell there will die. "I will search with lanterns in Jerusalem's darkest corners to find and punish those who sit contented in their sins, indifferent to the LORD, thinking he will do nothing at all to them. They are the very ones whose property will be plundered by the enemy, whose homes will be ransacked. They will never have a chance to live in the new homes they have built. They will never drink wine from the vineyards they have planted. "That terrible day of the LORD is near. Swiftly it comes – a day when strong men will cry bitterly. It is a day when the LORD's anger will be poured out. It is a day of terrible distress and anguish, a day of ruin and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom, of clouds, blackness, trumpet calls, and battle cries. Down go the walled cities and strongest battlements! "Because you have sinned against the LORD, I will make you as helpless as a blind man searching for a path. Your blood will be poured out into the dust, and your bodies will lie there rotting on the ground." Your silver and gold will be of no use to you on that day of the LORD's anger. For the whole land will be devoured by the fire of his jealousy. He will make a terrifying end of all the people on earth. (Zephaniah 1:7:18 NLT)
Yep! Sweet and loving god eh? Have any of you actually read the book?
Love and fear rule the world, and greed and jealousy.
Religion is brainwashing in its purest form. The most effective way to gain the cooperation is through subversive manipulation of the mind and feelings of the victim, who then becomes a psychological, as well as a physical, prisoner. These methods form the core of brainwashing. Very easy when started in childhood.
I notice you use many different translations. I wonder since most of these translations are not the most (ahem) accurate, if you don't just pick the worst sounding on purpose. I am sure that you do.
for the awesome day of the LORD's judgment has come
Everything, Gods entire work (caused by adam and eve) hinges on this day. You see, God is doing an ETERNAL work in his people. What God does here with the sanctification of his people will last FOREVER, which is a very very long time. The stakes are: a peaceful and wonderful everlasting life or allow corruption to mess it all up. lol.
Let's hear from a christian shall we?
Pastor Fred W. Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church is being named The Retard of the Month for his bigotry against homosexuals, for his sexism, for his xenophobic statements against several countries, and for publicly showing disrespect and lack of sympathy towards victims of many accidents, natural disasters, murders and terrorist acts, including but not limited to the World Trade Center bombing on the 11th of September, 2001.
Christians generally oppose homosexuals acts, but this man takes his views to the extreme and actually advocates the death penalty for homosexuals acts. He and his congregation, mainly composed of family members, have organized thousands of pickets at various locations both in and outside of the U.S.A., in the last 10 years, preaching their hateful drivel against homosexuals and virtually anyone who disagrees with their insane religious beliefs or actions. During a demonstration, they display signs containing "GOD HATES FAGS", "THANK GOD FOR AIDS", "FAGS DIE, GOD LAUGHS", "AIDS CURES FAGS", "FAGS BURN IN HELL", "FAGS DOOM NATIONS", "GOD GAVE FAGS UP", "THANK GOD FOR 9/11" etcetera.
See? All the love you could ever need!
On the flip side of thePhelps family
I think they were voted by the media as the most hated family in a America
Under freedom act to express
Jesus is always being quoted whenever love is mentioned, but the fact that he was habitually "loose with the truth" is never addressed
Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:
1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)
3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)
6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)
7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)
8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)
9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)
A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus was quoted as saying in the Bible. (I say quoted, because jesus never utters one word himself in the NT)
They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else. If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was an habitual liar.
1) if you have faith and doubt not
2) contingent upon seeking, asking and knocking (desire of heart)
3) in my name ... not all are in his name who pray
4) mountains are obstacles. We both know we cannot pray contrary to the will of God, we must always give evidence and case for our wants that we are not sure are within his will for us. I could pray to go to belieze tomorrow and have all faith but i will still be here because i know his will for me is here right now. We cannot be ridiculous in interpreting the word and then blame god for being wrong lol
5) and 2) are the same lol
6) you went the wrong way in quoting the scripture after you should have quoted the scripture before
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. (and is the joining word)
7) if you remain in me and i in you.... strong condition lol don't you read this stuff closely at all?
ya know what.. there are only two left but i don't care.
Love isn't something we feel when we are in church and stop feeling when we exit the building, otherwise it is emotionalism.
Some here have stated they felt it only in church and some, a particular church.
This isn't love. We are suppose to love and take care of mankind each and every day.
I agree - Love is not something that is turned on or off or defined by physical boundaries - my opinion anyway
Much of the physical part of love is an emotion. Love can be yours, for anyone. Love is what we all seek and is the most misunderstood behavior.
There are so many kinds of love and love make good sense,
Love is an attitude and an understanding of making each other stronger than apart. With many little acts of kindness, plus many kinds of love.
I don’t understand how God's love can be so angry and so jealous and send most of us o hell,
I can master not being angry or jealous, why is God jealous of me.
The ultimate love is my mate, I would not stand for such a jealous and angry woman.
That which is man is a reflection of the creator. Love is the major aspect of that creator.
A few word from another christian.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
how can you fall for this stuff.
first off a true christlikeian avoids war, second they leave Gods people alone lol. Did hitler ever write his own speeches...
haha.. i no more consider this sovereign documentation than i do the book of the dead.
Even if you have a person saying "in the name of god", this is a holy war, god said i need to kill you... common sense, well christian common sense dictates these people are not necessarily in the will of God or even do they know God. There are umteen other examples of godless men provoking their nations to war without mentioning they are christians.
sorry but this fails.
I wonder if jesus died for Hitler. He was a christian.
See post above.
There is no real love in the bible. It is conditional. That is not love.
"You can be loved if" will never be anything like real love.
a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.
b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)
c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
So did jesus take hitler onboard and hitler is now in heaven?
"Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic" heres the main problem. lol
any born again christians being baptized as a baby. lol
Hitler was born a roman catholic lol.. that in no way makes him a christian in christendom and no where near a christlikeian.
kinda was in "there" with all the child molesters of the catholic faith
Back to the christian hitler:
Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.
So hitler is now in heaven? Nice to see the "love"
If Hitler repented with all his heart, it is written he could go to heaven.
I've harmed no one in my entire life and I may to hell for not worshiping him.
The christians are well wrong on this!
not christians.. i know you were perusing the forums while banned, did you not read the posts about catholics NOT being christians. There is a huge difference between born again christians and catholics. lol.
Look at the history of born again..
Look at the history of the catholic church.
use the correct terms please.
I am wondering why the thread "The Bible is the information the world needs today." has been closed to comments.
Did the religious fanatics get too hard a time on it?
I am so glad you are back Earn ! I was able to relax and not bother with that one knowing that your voice of reason was in there guarding the frontiers of reason and sanity
How much longer before some of the others get back ?
I'm not too sure who is still serving "time out" China man, but I am well over seeing the religionists getting people banned for less than they do all day long.
As far as I am concerned anyone who forces their god on people with statements like "god luvs you" or "I will pray for you" knowing full well that the recipient does not believe in a god is being deliberately provocative and even abusive.
They will never get banned for it though
As far as I'm concerned my last 2 bans have been for nothing more than disagreeing with a couple of religionists!
Now I see one thread that is closed. The only reason I can see for that is that the religionists were having their clocks cleaned so to speak.
I was banned for a bit - and would have come across to the Facebook thingy but can't get it here in China - no great loss generally but would have liked to 'visit' at least
Earnest, You are too funny. How can someone force God on anyone by stating God loves you? Love is not a personal attack. If I didn't want anyone making statements like " I am praying for you, I wouldn't participate on the thread. The question on this forum was for the christians to answer " Why did they accept Jesus into their life". For some reason, you feel a need to keep posting on here to try to convince people that God is evil. He is the complete opposite. He is a loving, merciful and just God.
For one thing, saying you will pray for someone insinuates they need your prayer (judgment) and it is forcing your prayers on them.
I personally do not want anyone I haven't asked, to pray for me.
Saying you will pray for someone who does not believe in God, is harassment. If you were sincere, you would just pray for someone without stating it. When you state it, there is a reason, a self gratifying reason, and you know it.
"Religion and beliefs", does not mean it is just for "Christians"
There are many religions and beliefs that do not include the Christian faith.
Hi Deborah, thank you for making this crystal clear.
Deborah, When I say I am praying for someone, it is not for self gratification. The person needs prayer whether they believe it or not. You seem to be off the thread topic. This thread topic is not about religion and beliefs.
Prayer is all about self-gratification - you pray because it makes you feel good; this is the mental equivalent of masturbation.
It is not your right to carry out your exotic rituals in any one else's name or invoke anything on behalf of anyone else - if I offered to invoke some satanic spirit on your behalf in the hope that it will do things for you, or to you - I don't think you would be very happy.
This is how I feel whenever anyone in these forums offers to mumble inanities on my behalf. This is why it is perceived as an insult - so may be you might stop doing that ?
Yes it does feel good to pray. When I pray for someone, it is not about me. You don't begin to know what prayer is about. I have a right to pray in the name of Jesus as I please. If you offered to invoke some satanic spirit on me, I will remain happy, for I know the evil satanic spirit will not touch me at all. If you don't desire prayer, quit barging in christian discussions with ridiculous nonsense against God and his holy word. Lord have mercy on you.
And now you are doing what Earnest pointedout at some point earlier in another thread - you are using your prayer as a threat - I tell you I don't like it, and you tell me not to 'bang on' in these threads if I don't want to be prayed for ! You reveal the true nature of the screaming skull behind the face of religion at every sentence. These vacuous postings show only the depth of the vacuum and the kiddie story book held in front of it.
Then do it silently on the forums if it is not about you. As for the thread, if it is not about religion why do you keep bringing it into the thread?
I don't have to pray silently on the forums to prove to you that prayer is not about me.
Prayer, isn't religious?
You should pray only if asked. It's not your place to judge. Pray for yourself.
Prayer is communication with God. There are certain times I pray when asked. Some unbelievers and atheists enter the forums saying insulting, disgusting things about God and the bible. They personally attack christians, and mock and ridicule because of our faith in God. When I observe this type of bad behavior, I don't need anyone permission to pray out loud. Judging has nothing to do with simple prayer. Thank you, I do pray for myself. It would be self-gratification and selfish if I prayed only for me all the time. I am done discussing this. Take care Deborah.
Actually, you're doing for selfish reasons.
And, who are you exactly? To deem what other people "need"? Stick to yourself and you might find less issues with others.
Topic of the thread? She's off it?
You better believe it is most certainly IS about religion and beliefs, because that is what category you picked, because "god" only exists in religion.
Find ANY other place in the forum threads, where you can discuss openly, "god", that is not in a religious forum.
if you see someone on the road with their thumb out.. do you pass by and think there is no need? i don't think so.
If an eternity of separation from God looms ahead of a person shall we just wave and wish you a good trip? i don't think so.
You expose yourself to these forums and thereby you have your thumb out and help you we will.
no forcing you can leave any time lol If you think that you are being forced to accept god by your willing entrance into the room then i will have to cut this post short for fear of a personal attack. But perception is everything.
For some unaccountable reason the religiously ill seem to think they own these threads. "Religion and beliefs" is the name of the forum yet some believe it is their territory and coming on here is just for the "converted" religionist.
I take the view that if something is false it gets challenged, no matter what the subject is.
I am a christian. Christainity is about a relationship with Jesus. My lifestyle with Jesus in my life is not religious. It's your opinion if you feel something is false. You should at least respect other's belief. It's your right not to believe, and it is our right to believe. Good night Earnest.
All belief in a supernatural divinity is religion based and the source of it is the much discredited bible or quoran. You can't claim a religious belief and then say "I'M not religious"
Christianity is more about a relationship with Jesus than a religious practice. I have made my point.
On the contrary. It is all and only about religion and you have not made any point that I see. As to your idea of love, all love from religion is conditional, and therefore not love at all.
You are entitled to your opinion, but it's not a fact. You may not see my point, but I know many people who does. All is well.
well I'm going to put my bit in, Chinaman as a ex soldier I took a oath to defend my country and everybody in it, and that ment laying down my life , if it came to that. Yes I love my country.
I am Catholic, I was a alter boy among other things, in my youth.
I belive with all my heart, that every person on the face of this planet, has free will and may worship who or what they like. After it is their soul.
Deborah I do not offer to pray for you or anybody else, unless asked.
Earnest I do not 'own ' 'Religion or Beliefs' or indeed any other 'Hubs' I belive you and anybody else can have a input and I belive that is how it should be.
On the subject of Hitiler apparently Germany continued to give payments to Rome right up untill the last days of WW2, now I belive he was a monster, and what he did to the Jews was unforgivable, he tried to wipe out a entire race of people, for no other reason than their race. I do not belive Hitiler went to heven,he was a monster PERIOD.
Earnest God may well answer every prayer BUT it might be in his time not in our time, just a thought.
Deborah to me saying a prayer for someone else is in no way judgement, I cannot ask God to judge another. I belive Judgement is up to God and not I.
Also I do not belive in banning anybody else just because they have a different point of view to me. I do not know how to get someone BANNED and would never do it.
Castlepolama I do not belive Hitiler could ever repent enough for what he did, even God ( as I see it) would not belive him. That is what I belive.
As far as I know Christianity accepts 'homosexuality' as long as you do not pratice homosexual acts. Being 'homosexual is not against God only the pratice of homosexual acts. After all God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
And anybody has a right to disagree or agree with what I have stated, after all this is your right.
some people read the whole bible and do not see one point lol. what makes you think things are different now.
hope this helps
Amen to that sister! May God keep you strong always..... Free will is a beautiful thing. Thanks to God for it... People whether we believe it or not God does exist, and whether we choose to love him or not is up to us (free will) maybe if some of us were a little bit more afraid of God, this world would not be so corrupt and full of evil and just because some people chose to do the wrong thing and use God as an excuse, it does not make God the bad one again (Free will) The devil is very good at making humans believe otherwise of Gods goodness, and many writers here just proved that, please no offence intended!
May God bless us all! PS just joined, better late than never... Peace
Thank you for your blandishments - you get one point right at least, your god is all about fear, nobody loves something they are afraid of, and if there were such a thing as an all powerful loving god why in hell would it want a whole load sheeple fearing it !
Peter, Welcome to hubpages! Thank you for sharing a powerful and refreshing message. Every word of it is absolutely true. The devil is very cunning and I am fully aware of how he operates.
Please WOC, try to refrain from dictating what you have to say as "fact" or "truth", if you are going to claim what other people have is opinion and not fact.
It's complete conjecture for anyone to claim "truth", when they speak from a "religious" perspective.
If you're going to consider what Earnest has to say as "opinion", then anything you to say is the same.
Well skipper as you know, I disagree with some of it.
At this time though I would like to congratulate you on you terminology and use of the language to inform several of us as to what you accept as well as what you believe and I thank you for that
Don't forget Hitler tried to stamp out gays and atheists, for his idea of his faith.
In Canada Adam and Steve just got married in a church and now it’s spreading like wild flowers around the world.
Would you still love thy neighbor gay couple if they move in next door to you...?
Skipper - we share many things in common - I am ex-services (RN) I was a Catholic and an altar boy. I welcome intelligent discussion about religion. My argument with your religion among others is the imposition of its doctrines on society and the harm it does. I do however object to the simplistic and childish mouthing of religious dogma by others in these forums and will say so at every opportunity; I object to people telling me that they will perform some mystical ritual for me, especially when it is not sincere and it is not welcome by me.
Like Earnest however - I appreciate your simple and well considered response and the moderate language you used.
It was a good question. just blowing it off, gives me answers too.
What you’re really saying is, why bother,
Hello WOC it is a pleasure to meet you sister. Your love for God is evident as I read your posts.
You asked why did I ask Jesus into my life? Because it seemed to me that to reject the love that God was offering me in the sacrifice of His Son, was simply the dumbest thing I could ever do. Salvation has never been a question in my mind. I knew I needed it and it became, for me, a matter of time before I yielded to the offer of God. My common sense told me that I would be a fool to reject such love and later I found out that the Bible said that it is a foolish thing to reject the love of God. I thank the Lord everyday that I am saved because I put the whole receiving thing off for so long, and I could have died and went to hell being so stubborn.
Or, I suppose, my rejection could have lead me to becoming like an animal in my response to God's offer of love. I would have then become more ignorant rather than enlightened concerning God and His ways (walked further toward darkness than the Light). And my ignorance would have lead me to become arrogant in my unbelief and cynical and accusatory towards those that do believe and accept the love of God. I would have probably become quite good at finding fault with the Bible and all those who love the Lord. I would have become full of ridicule and hatred towards that which I did not have revelation nor understanding. I would have persecuted those that shared their love publicly. But, then, the Bible would have had my number, eh?? I would have been one of those people Jesus spoke of in John 15:18. Ouch! :-) And 1 Corinthians 2:14 would have been speaking of me. sigh Cause, as the evidence in some of these posts indicate, the natural man is not only rejecting love, but light and understanding as well. And most of us tend to make fun of and belittle what we cannot understand. As I see it, the absence of love is hate. Just as the absence of faith is fear. The absence of heaven is hell. The absence of light is darkness. The absence of humility is pride. The absence of wisdom is foolishness. And the list goes on and on.
Anywho, glad I am walking in the Light of understanding and not hatin'. There is nothing more satisfying than knowing God and involving Him in my everyday life (and He involving me in His!). ;-)
Hi Deborahdoo, it is a pleasure to meet you also. Thanks for sharing a wonderful and inpiring message. Jesus is the joy of my salvation! I have been through many trials, tribulations, and disappoinments. God has given me the strength and courage to make it through all of them. The joy of the lord is my strength. God bless you sister! Sorry for the incorrect spelling of your name.
Hi WOC, your faith in God means that you will never be left alone to face the challenges. What a wonderful thing.
Deborah I do not offer to pray for you or anybody else, unless asked
That's great, but many do. And when someone says "I don't believe in God" and a "Christian" replies, I will pray for you, they are saying I will pray for you because you are lost. That's judgment.
Earnest God may well answer every prayer BUT it might be in his time not in our time, just a thought.
The very bible you believe in states not every prayer is answered
Deborah to me saying a prayer for someone else is in no way judgement, I cannot ask God to judge another. I belive Judgement is up to God and not
See my answer above
Also I do not belive in banning anybody else just because they have a different point of view to me. I do not know how to get someone BANNED and would never do it.
You wrote this under my name, as though you were addressing me, but I made no comment on this, so it couldn't have been to me.
When are the religious folk going to learn. People do not attack them, but what they say. DUH! Ignorance must be truly bliss.
The point is, that all religious "love" is conditional.
Love itself, real love, is not.
Where is the "love" button? HP, can we get a "love" button like on facebook?
The devil and his own are liars, hey I'm back, now let's play nice
Agape love is unconditional and God loves each and every one of us. God hates the sin but loves the sinner.
MATTHEW 13:9 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
More of god's "love"
The law is a retaliatory Law, filled with vengeance and anger. IT takes revenge on all who oppose it and furiously punishes its lawbreakers! The LAW sometimes is slow in punishment. It displays his power to what extent is necessary.
The billowing clouds are the dust beneath it's feet.
At his command the oceans and rivers are instantly jJcked up . pastures of Bash an and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt be burned up with the burned gunpowder from its barrels.
The mountains will be blasted out of the way., and the hills of the earth moans,,,,,,,, , and its people are killed.
You can't sue the state for that? Who can survive his growing taxes? His greed burns up your finances, And your house is repossessed.
The LAW is good. When trouble comes, it has a strong Army! . And he knows who his friends are.
But he totally dominates the world. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night.
Long live "THE LAW"
Hail to "THE Legislative Branch"
I know it's differnt know because people are opening their eyes & hearts to the seeds being planted in their spirit(s). God is working through the blindness in those kind of people, hes putting people like u on the web to continue filling them w/ truth.
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