do you believe that devil is real or do you consider more as symbolic?
here's a hub by disappearinghead that addresses this question:
Amazingly enough, recognizing myths and superstitions is not that difficult.
If satan (devil) is indeed symbolic...
Then symbolic of What? For all symbol posseses a reality.
Who then knows it's indeed symbolic should also know the reality.
Oscar the grouch and animal got to me..
Nobody knows that better, than the good old USA
As we all know that to make any story interesting, there ned to be conflict and the Bible, Tora, and Koran are no different. The stories contained in these books have the classic good vs. evil to get their point across. It's funny how some people take theses stories as historical fact. A few Biblical characters did in fact exist, but were made into supermen/women as time went on. Whether Jesus existed is up for debate also. Nothing was written about him till 30+ years after he died by biographers who never met him. But as far as the existence of satan, he, like 99% of the characters in the Bible are metaphores.
I was a christian in the 80s/early 90s when hell, satan, demon doctrine was in all the churches, especially the pentecostal.
Interesting how christianity has evolved a bit further, and many have dropped these doctrines
The devil is just as real as the cookie monster on Sesame street.
well i thought your answer might be as real as god!!!!!!!
You mean cookie monsters not real??? Awww crushed my butterfly.
So sorry Penny, just another bloke in a costume, although I guess that puts him ahead of the other guy who is a total no-show with or without the costume.
What kind of heathen would deny the existance of the cookie monster?!?!
Earnest you have just shattered my whole and entire world view here!
*curls up in a ball and sways* there is a cookie monster, there is a cookie monster
Ahhh much better! C is for cookie and thats good enough for me!
Nope it inspirers my desire, not fear
Satan seems to have become a very popular topic just lately on these forums! Satan is a myth, images of Satan are based on those of archaic horned, fertility gods. The early church's version of nobbling the pagan opposition!
Satan is as real as Santa Claus.
We made up a figure to blame our misfortunes upon.
We are empowered and only we can choose to misuse our power of choice.
There is only a hurricane of grace to give us all the abundance that is available for the seeker, the asker, the creator...
A 2000 yr old doctrine is not that easy to dissuade. After doing research a person should, leaning on God, of course, should be able to come to a quite concrete realization that satan is best used as a metaphor and kept well separate from being an entity by itself.
Will have to go with symbolic here, Satan is a man-made figure in my eyes.
Good and Evil do exist though. I suppose every story has to have a villain.
There is no villain in my life story, some lower energy, some higher energy, that all.
Why do religions need so many villains in their lives?
Good and Evil
Both are with ourselfs
We have to choose.
People know what's right or wrong, and understand Yin and Yang.
Why must we lower our consciousness to always look and act over good and evil?
Why sin rather than just adjust mistakes as we go or why keep regretting our pass?
Who do you think eggs on people like my good friend Ernest here?
On a slightly more serious line of thinking (beyond feeling upset at the very notion that there is no cookie monster), what if the concept of the Devil or evil is just the other side of the God good coin? These are opposites, like right and left or up and down. Without one the other cannot exist. Hence God (assuming a literal existence in the manner of religions) is going to be one side of the coin, the Devil the unavoidable other side of the coin. Inseparable.
valid point ...that brings another question..if satan does exist and god didn't end it...is it that god never wanted to end satan?..or god is not so powerful as we assume god to be or was god working with satan to play with humans or is it match between god and satan while humans being mere pawns?
The questions that I am lead to is in wondering about these concepts of good and evil. I begin to wonder if it is more the cycle of destruction and creation that we interpret as good and evil. It is said that all things serve god including satan. With this train of thought I tend to leave behind the religious texts telling me the nature of things and begin to consider the nature of things using my mind instead. It is liberating even if it does get a bit confusing
nice thoughts...i got that...thank you...
it's the black and white thinking - day vs night, good vs evil, god vs satan, heaven vs hell
Well said Kirsten
I think Neil Gaiman says it best in saying
“God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of the players, (ie everybody), to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time.”
Gosh I'm not getting that one? Care to explain?
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