What do you believe

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    just_curiousposted 12 years ago

    Bouncing around the forums, I have noticed that there seems to be a lot of confusion as to what people think Christians believe. 


    WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER TO BE THE BIGGEST THING THAT OTHERS GET WRONG ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS?

    (ie, they all think we think the world is around 7000 years old, they think we want everyone to go to hell, they think we all deny evolution.) I could go on, but I haven’t been around Hub Pages that long. These are just a few of the crazy things I've been accused of here.

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    1. Woman Of Courage profile image60
      Woman Of Courageposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Some people believe that Science is a threat to the christian faith. Science is very interesting to me. It does not contradict the bible at all. I put my faith in God, not science.

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        just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I like you already. I agree completely.

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      2. Beelzedad profile image58
        Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Exactly, and your entire physical existence, well being and everything else you take advantage in this life is in the hands of science. smile

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        1. Castlepaloma profile image76
          Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Universe is connected; people want oneness yet, tend to separate

          Religion seem to be based on magic and human history

          Science seem to be based on evidence and technology

          Then there is me in the middle, who thinks everyone is God as Science
          technology is indistinguishable from magic. Some like ice cream, some like chocolate, mmmmmm love both, want to share.

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            just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I like m and m's and popcorn. Call me crazy.

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        2. Woman Of Courage profile image60
          Woman Of Courageposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Much of science supports the existence and work of God. (Psaims19:1) states, " The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." I am not in the hands of Science. I am in the hands of God, the Ominiscient Creator of all things, and that includes Science. Have a Happy Day Beelzedad. smile

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          1. Beelzedad profile image58
            Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, I'm sure when believers are faced with reality they must some how realign their perceptions of reality to fit their belief systems and indoctrination, which is exactly what you've accomplished. smile

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              just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              So you are saying that belief is nothing more than each generation regurgitating what the previous told them, and anyone that believes in a supreme power is not allowed to learn what they can of that power's creation? I think that is kind of unfair. Other than this one belief, I doubt there is much difference between you and me. It is difficult for me to understand why it is such a bone of contention. That is what I am trying to understand.

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              1. getitrite profile image74
                getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this



                Simply because it is an outright lie, and if you could lose the fear of old dead Bronze Age goat herders, you could see this lie.  Try reading the bible without this fear---without the presupposition that it is inspired by God.

                My parents and grandparents regurged this lie to my siblings and me, but we quickly saw that we had evolved beyond their worldview.

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                  just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  See, my parents we're different. There was no regurgitating in our house. I don't get the impressions from your posts that you have a basic understanding of Christianity. Wouldn't it be nice to attack it from a position of knowledge? If you think it's so horrible you could make a better point if you knew what your adversary believed. No one is afraid of anything, that I know of.

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                  1. getitrite profile image74
                    getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    There you go telling me what knowledge I don't possess.  Did you not start this thread to rebuttal the claims that have been leveled against Christians as to what they ALL believe.  Now it seems you turn right around and do something similar.

                    For your information, my father was a Pentacostal minister.  I had to go to church every Sunday, and was saved at the age of ten, so your allegations about my knowledge is just wishful thinking.

                    Yes, I'm in a position to tell you that your absurd beliefs are based on fear.  It is a fear of authority--and fear of the majority...and fear of dead ancestors. You have no confidence in your own mind.  They have tricked you into thinking your own mind is tricking you--when it is them tricking you.

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                2. steven oliver profile image61
                  steven oliverposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  the intensity with which you despise beleif in God makes me wonder if you don't quietly believe yourself.

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                  1. getitrite profile image74
                    getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this



                    The God of the bible condones slavery, rape, incest, racism, torture, murder, and jealousy. I despise all of these things, so the answer is no, I can't stoop to the moral level of this man-made nonsense.  Are you a believer?

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      3. Mark Knowles profile image58
        Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Good to know you now accept evolution and a 4.5 billion year old planet. Well done.

        How does that make sense with the Invisible Super Daddy making everything? LOLOLO

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        1. Castlepaloma profile image76
          Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I like that one, invisible Super Daddy.

          A Dad that never comes home, there is a few of them around.

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    2. Angel709 profile image61
      Angel709posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      just_curious, I think people get wrong that just because I'm a Christian, I do not believe in us as an "evolving" species, gaining wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of who we are. Christians and non-alike want to peg me into a square that limits how I believe and readily think we all have the same beliefs, feelings, and behaviors.  Christianity is such a broad word and it is mistaken that now I have to be part of a group that oust others. That's a tip of the iceberg.

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        just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        You sound like a kindred spirit. Do you see any way to get past all the stereotypes? I look at everyone as interesting. Even people that say they don't belief in anything. I don't get all the hatred in the religiuos forums.

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        1. Angel709 profile image61
          Angel709posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Getting past the stereotypes:  It takes a person getting to know me for me. I don't "announce" my confession of faith, and so people think I'm "just a nice person", or there's "something different".  I even get that from fellow Christians.  Only until they inquire further does my faith gain its "label". And even then, the attention is always redirected back to truth and daily application, not any religious aspects.

          The more I stepped away from the stereotypical lifestyle, the more I was accepted for being a person of faith beyond church affiliation, and the like.
          I went against some of the man-induced dogma, and began searching for truth myself.  It was scary and forbidden, but it has made all the difference in my personal relationship with God. How liberating to find God EVERYWHERE, not just in the stained-glass cathedral.

          I'm glad to hear you don't get the hatred here on the forum. I agree, I find all people interesting.  And I'm very glad to meet you.
          ~Blessings

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          1. Ms Dee profile image87
            Ms Deeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            This is refreshing to me, as well, to hear the perspectives of you both smile

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            1. Angel709 profile image61
              Angel709posted 12 years agoin reply to this

              Thank you Ms. Dee, and thanks for linking up with me.  I'm very new here, but anticipate writing tons of interesting articles very soon.  I believe I'm finally clearing away writers block...yay!
              ~Blessings

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    3. the pink umbrella profile image76
      the pink umbrellaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      i think the biggest thing that sticks out in my mind is that the christians will say the non believers attack them, and are mean to them. In reality the non believers are defending themselves. When a christian person says condecending things like "jesus loves athiests too" or "ill pray for you" or other such things like they felel sorry for those who havnt been called by god or who havnt found jesus yet. They also say things like you cannot have a full life or tru knowledge of love without god. Those things feel like an attack to someone whos thinking "wait a minute, i have a life, i have love, what are they talking about." Then, you have a remark from a believer stating that they feel sorry for those who havnt found the light.

      I dont appreciate being felt sorry for, being that i have a life, i have love, and i feel as though i am complete.

      So, thats what i think the biggest misconception is about those who dont believe. That our lives arent just as full as a believer, or that were swimming in a sea of darkness and we just dont know it. Its not fair to assume that.

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        just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I agree with you, in that everyone shouldn't feel like they are being forced down someone else's path. Variety is the spice of life.

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    4. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      "WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER TO BE THE BIGGEST THING THAT OTHERS GET WRONG ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS?
      My "beliefs" in what?
      Qwark

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        just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I was actually talking to Christians, but you can play too. I guess it's an open field for you. Tell us your deepest thoughts, or not. Somehow I don't think you'll surprise me. Just kidding.

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        1. qwark profile image60
          qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I am a literalist.

          When you ask a question I expect you to be "specific: i.e. your question should have read: "CHRISTIANS, WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER TO BE THE BIGGEST THING THAT OTHERS GET WRONG ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS?

          "Tell us your deepest thoughts, or not."

          My "deepest" thoughts?

          If you mean  my very difficult to penetrate or understand; learned or intellectual thoughts, I ask again, in ref. to what?

          Just_curious, you must "think" before you post!   smile:

          Qwark

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          1. the pink umbrella profile image76
            the pink umbrellaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            RELIGEOUS OR SPIRITUAL BELIEFS....THIS IS THE RELIGEOUS FORUM, IS IT NOT? jEEZ. Way to nit pic, though. A+ on being anal compulsive.

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            1. qwark profile image60
              qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              Hahaha...
              Golly Pink!
              This one must have really irritated ya!

              You are screaming at me!!

              Now settle down. Get those nerves under control. Take a deep breath and let it out slowyly counting to 100...lol  smile:

              I am being entertained in the forums by folks who discuss everything...including religion.

              Yes this is a subject posted in the "religion and philosophy" section.

              Did you overlook the word "Philosophy" when you responded to me?

              I can "assume" what someone wants, but yer right, I am "anal!"

              I expect a very precise question so that when I give a very precise answer there can be no question as to the meaning of my response.

              No coffee for about an hour "PINK."

              Qwark   smile:

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            just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Hey qwark, you're soooo good looking. And thanks for the tips. I'm new here.i thought we were supposed to expandon the question in the forum. I didn't realize I could have written all of that in the title. I'll try harder next time.

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            1. qwark profile image60
              qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              I know, I know, I'm good looking! smile:

              A little more attention to the subject matter is helpful and I'm a helpful guy trying to offer helpful suggestions to one who seems to need a little helpful guidance. I Hope I'm doing it in a helpful way...smile:

              Qwark

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                just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Helpful is good.thank you for being helpful. you are too kind. Really.

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                1. qwark profile image60
                  qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  smile: I'm good looking, helpful and kind...lol
                  ...and you have a good sense of humor.   smile:
                  Qwark

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                  1. Cagsil profile image75
                    Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    The sense of humor might be a stretch. lol tongue

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            just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Oh, and the pink umbrella brought up a very good topic of discussion, so let's use that. Do you believe there is a cure for anal retentiveness, or do you believe it to be a quality that should be nurtured?

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    5. A.Villarasa profile image60
      A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      @JustCurious:

      Don't get too discouraged... you are not alone in thinking that the "non-believing world " just does not understand what makes you(us) tick.  Until such time that non-believers understand and accept  the concept that is so dear  to our hearts (i.e. physical/material and spiritual/ethereal  nature of man and the universe that sorrounds him), the possibility of us getting into some kind of a  mutually beneficial co-existence is nil. And so the conflict goes on.... which is not entirely a bad thing... as you know life without conflict would be so unassailably boring.

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      1. Mark Knowles profile image58
        Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        So - I take it you believe that the conflict you love causing continues in the after life then? sad

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          just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          LOL. Do you really think you don't contribute to the conflict? You're a funny guy.

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          1. Mark Knowles profile image58
            Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I see - so it is OK that you go around causing conflict, and when others ask you to stop - they are contributing to the conflict? No wonder your religion causes so many fights. sad

            Tell you what - you stop going on about an Invisible Super Being - I will stop asking you to keep it to yourself and telling you what a silly idea it is.

            Deal? wink

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              just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              Hey, that's not it at all. If the Super Being concept is so distasteful, it does seem odd to me that you're all over the forum, but I like odd. I just don't understand why you are mad about it. You should be having fun. You don't sound like you're having fun. I just wish everybody would lighten up. Hearing opposing opinions should be an enjoyable thing, not an in your face,i think you're an idiot because you don't agrre with me tread mill

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              1. Mark Knowles profile image58
                Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Well - how about you stop being so condescending instead?

                I am not a government agent either. LOLOLO That was funny.

                So - you do not agree that my opinion - that the Invisible Super Being concept is a "bad thing" that causes ignorance and fights - is a valid opinion? Or do you just think it is odd that I wish to express this opinion?

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                  just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Bad is subjective. And lumps everyone who believes there is something more into a very tight category. I agree that there are those who I would like to see open up their minds a little. But that's those at both ends of the spectrum. Discussion is good. I have read some very insightful points posted be people who advocate atheism, and I have read things that just appear to be baiting, which is the right of the poster and I endeavor to take in stride.

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                  1. Mark Knowles profile image58
                    Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    Of course bad is subjective. You think pretending that all you believe is that there is "something more" when what you actually do is follow a religion is "good."?

                    Accepting religious garbage as being real is not being "open minded," - it is in fact quite the reverse. I wish you were capable of actually opening your mind instead of pigeon holing every one else. I am not baiting you - I think your beliefs are nonsensical and cause a fight - and always will.

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        2. A.Villarasa profile image60
          A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          @Mark Knowles:

          Hey Mr. Knowles... I did not know that you believe in the afterlife. Another Eureka moment for you I'm sure.

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            just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Too funny. I didn't notice that when he said it. Good catch.

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          2. Mark Knowles profile image58
            Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I do not believe in that particular oxymoron - no.

            But you do - so I asked. Which is it? Will you be there causing conflict to make it interesting - or do you expect an eternity of boredom?

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            1. A.Villarasa profile image60
              A.Villarasaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              @Mr. Knowles:

              I  have caught you several times  savoring these  Eureka moments... one more and I  am nominating you to be  the poster boy for  spritualists/religionists on HubPages.

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                just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                You're funny. We need more people like you around. Some of the posts, I won't point fingers too obviously, but from the at-sts,can get a little stodgy.

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    6. ediggity profile image61
      ediggityposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think that the biggest thing people get wrong about my belief is that it's a result of being raised that way.  The majority of people who believe that were once themselves raised that way, or grew up in an area where people were raised a certain way.

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      1. Woman Of Courage profile image60
        Woman Of Courageposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        eddigity, I can agree with you. Just because some people were raised that way doen't mean all believers were. It's odd how one can falsely assume things about someone's life as if they have known that person for years.

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    7. Claire Evans profile image65
      Claire Evansposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The one thing I don't like about these Christians forums is the way non believers accuse Christians of being all the same.  They make gross assumptions.  Not all Christians believe the earth is only 6000 years old.  Not all believe the Bible is the infallible word of God and is literal in all senses. Not all are Christians merely because they were brought up that way.  Many come to the Christian faith later in life.

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      1. Jerami profile image59
        Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Ms Claire  Couldn't have been said any better.

           Maybe we should coppy and paste that at least once a day before we begin our discussions.

           And NOT every discussion has to become a knock down drag out debate.

        No one is keeping score anyway

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        1. Claire Evans profile image65
          Claire Evansposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I suppose in the past I have made assumptions about atheists but the most vocal ones are the ones who belittle.  The same can be said about Christians.  The ones who are in your face are the ones who condemn.

          I think so much more progress could be made if we all started on a clean slate with one another.  First hear what the beliefs are before pouncing on someone.

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          1. Jerami profile image59
            Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yes,  we all have a propensity to act when our beliefs are being threatened, But with becoming civilized we are supposed to learn how to restrain ourselves.

              But it is difficult to not stand up when someone tells to shut up.   
              I carry a couple of scars for doing that.

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              just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              I feel for you. I've seen some very emotional in your face posts on this site.

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          2. Beelzedad profile image58
            Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            That's funny, we've been hearing those beliefs for the last couple thousand years. Where ya been? LOL!

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            1. Claire Evans profile image65
              Claire Evansposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              Beelzedad, I meant first hear the beliefs of a certain Christian because not all are the same.  Some believe the Bible is infallible, others not.  Some think Jesus isn't the son of God.  They call themselves deist Christians.  Some are Gnostic Christians who believe that Jesus taught us how to become a god.  Some don't take the Bible literally throughout. 

              Come on, you know what I mean.  You know there are different beliefs when the Christian religion.

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              1. Beelzedad profile image58
                Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, I understand the hypocrisy and contradictions of Christian beliefs, how they shove biblical verses in our faces while cherry picking the bible. It's all about do as I say, not as I do.  Thanks. smile

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      2. Beelzedad profile image58
        Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        So, who decides what is and what isn't the infallible word of god? You? smile

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          just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Well I'd vote for her over you. if you were in charge we'd have nothing to talk about on the religious forums. Shes interesting. At last I think so.

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          1. Beelzedad profile image58
            Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Funny how your god doesn't even get a mention here. smile

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              just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              sometimes you seem to have a sense of humor, other times, not so much.

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              1. Beelzedad profile image58
                Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Sometimes you appear to get it, other times, not. smile

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                  just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  That's why I anxiously await your posts. Confusing is just as much fun as funny. I guess since the journey to the punchline is longer. I like to travel.

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      DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      the biggest thing others get wrong about my beliefs..... that my beliefs are any of their business.

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        just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Good to know. I will endeavor to remember you, and not ask you what you think.

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          DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          smile ahah Im sorry, I do not mind being asked what I think, as long as the asker really only wants to know what I think, not tell me I am wrong and they need to "fix" me. I suppose that came out a bit harsher than I intended.

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            just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            For future reference, I am always interested when I ask. And I'm like you.i don't think if I disagree with anything it means i need to be fixed. I wonder sometimes why people post, if they're just going to get mad at the answer.  Since most answers are opposing views.

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              DoorMattnomoreposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              who knows. some people like to fight, for any reason. I don't get that, I hate fighting, but I know many people enjoy a "heated disscusion."

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                just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                I like debate, but I find myself trying to diffuse things quickly when people seem to be getting testy about it. In the final analysis, it's just an opinion. Nobody is going to change anyone's mind in this place.

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                1. Castlepaloma profile image76
                  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  The word argument is well over used here and at a lot of other sites too, argument meaning angry discussion

                  Angry is inefficient, discussion I enjoy no matter how much I might disagree

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  2. Cagsil profile image75
    Cagsilposted 12 years ago

    My beliefs have nothing to do with this topic, because I hold no beliefs in or of or on this topic.

    On another hand, my beliefs are my beliefs and I do as I should, and keep them to myself.

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      just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Apparently not. But thanks for playing.

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      1. Cagsil profile image75
        Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Apparently you lack too much to explain. hmm

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          just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Apparently, because that went over my head. but I see your a big cat.im just a little one, so it's understandable.

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            just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Oh,rufe means rude in Swype. Which is odd. Is rufe even a word?

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          just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Hey Cagsil, someone posted that they thought I was rufe to you in this forum. It was not my intent and I hope you will accept my apology. Would have done it sooner, but you changed your avatar and I am easily confused.

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          1. Cagsil profile image75
            Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            If I thought you were rude, don't you think I am outspoken enough to let you know? hmm Secondly, what other people think? I don't care what people think. Most cannot form one complete thought, much less wrap any sort of understanding about life, within their mind.

            However, with Hubpages forum and the rules that apply, other people can subjectively report, what appears to be rudeness.

            No apologies necessary. wink

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  3. Jerami profile image59
    Jeramiposted 12 years ago

    getitrite wrote  ....
    You have no right to stand in judgment of my dad's religion,

    ---  ===   - = - = --- ___

       That right belongs omly to you.  ...  We get it !

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      just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I thought that too, but I was afraid to say it. His posts get kind of testy. I can't quite get a take on where he's coming from.

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      1. Jerami profile image59
        Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        He reminds me of a guy I used to know that enjoyed argueing so much that he would argue with himself when no one else was around.

          He was once accused of putting up a sign at the street corner, just so he could argue with it.

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          just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          That's hilarious.

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          1. Woman Of Courage profile image60
            Woman Of Courageposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Very funny big_smile

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          2. the pink umbrella profile image76
            the pink umbrellaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Cagsil has his own opinions, and not always wants to sit there and break them down only to have to argue. I see it wuite planely that he decided not to argue, and therefore stated that he would not be paradeing his beliefs around at that moment. As he clearly stated, his beliefs are his own. Nuff said. I think your response to his statement is far more agressive personally than he was generally.

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              just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              I was joking with the guy. If either of you took offense,i apologize. I have been described as acerbic, so I'll trust your judgment on this one.

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              1. the pink umbrella profile image76
                the pink umbrellaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                no need to apologise to me, i just know em is all, and hes not puttin out what your pickin up is all. why am i talking like that? lol.

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                  just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Well,i did apologize to him too. Please let him know it was sincere. I hate to be at odds with anyone.

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                  1. the pink umbrella profile image76
                    the pink umbrellaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    oh, im sure he knows. I know he can seem like he's being a certain way, but truthfully, thats just the way he talks. You know those people that you arent sure where they are comming from until you get to know them, and then you dont really notice that they are comming off a certain way until you have to explain it to someone else? lmao, im prob not describing it right, but yea, the little black cat face just doesnt look malicious to me, so im sure he can tell your cincere, hahaha.

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  4. TahoeDoc profile image80
    TahoeDocposted 12 years ago

    I'm an agnostic and atheist. I have no knowledge of nor a belief in a god or gods.

    I am not angry, missing anything, arrogant, a worshiper of science or anything else. I do not know the answers to the great questions of how we are here, or why, or if there is a why. I do not ascribe those things I do not know to a god.

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      just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Completely understandable. You make a good point. There are stereotypes all around.

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    2. the pink umbrella profile image76
      the pink umbrellaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      TahoeDoc- im completely with you on the "not missing anything" part. I hate being told that im missing out on having a better life experience because im not in church 3 times a week. No disrespect to those who are, im just saying. Stop pitying us because were not tything!!!!! smile

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  5. SpanStar profile image60
    SpanStarposted 12 years ago

    I believe if one isn’t a believer in God then they will not understand the hand of or the mind of God which is to say that God gives the believer the ability to understand some of him and what he can do.

    What a waist to simply live for the here and now with no greater purpose then to die, Like dust blowing in the wind.

    I believe the God that I know is greater then any man could imagine.  I believe I have not seen the limit to God’s power, as amazing we are as humans this doesn’t mean that this is the best he can do and since the bible says man was made a little lower then angels who knows what kinds of futures a being that could create all this can do in the future?

    I believe my God allows the rain to fall on the righteous and the unrighteous.  I believe we have not felt real joy because with sin in this world real joy his hindered.

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    1. Cagsil profile image75
      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You want to tell me how you can wrap your mind around an infinite being/entity/spirit? When no one on the planet can understand anything that runs or exists in an infinite structure?
      No greater purpose then to die? Talk about not understanding life.
      I'll give you everything you said, except for the god thing. Jesus' 'god' concept was about self mastery, not some higher power.
      No god required for that to happen. It will naturally occur.
      Do away with religion and see real joy come about.

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      1. SpanStar profile image60
        SpanStarposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Cagsil,

            Well I appreciate you giving me something but thanks I don't need you to give me anything.  You are free to believe as you like and the topic is about what "Do You Believe?"

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    2. getitrite profile image74
      getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      What a wonderful fantasy.

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        just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Hey getitrite. We decided everybody could play. Share your thing that people get wrong about you.

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    3. Beelzedad profile image58
      Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      How very unfortunate it is that believers have had the ability  and capacity to find purpose in their lives wiped out from their religious indoctrinations and replaced with the embracing of myths and superstitions from the Bronze age. Such a waste of human resources.  smile

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      1. SpanStar profile image60
        SpanStarposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Some of you people must really have miserable life to spend so much of your time trying to bring others down that don't think you do!\

              So Sad.

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        just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Way to cubby hole a vast group of individuals. Wow, do you really think believers have no purpose in their lives? That's kind of sad you're so narrow minded. Thanks for sharing.

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  6. Cagsil profile image75
    Cagsilposted 12 years ago

    Interesting you say, my post had something to do with my belief? When in fact it didn't. Enjoy.

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      just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Cagsil.  You're a pretty smart guy.  I like the thing you said about being unable to wrap your head around the concept.  I agree completely.  Sometimes i think we're like dogs, arguing over the benefit of rice in our diets.  It's completely over our heads.  But i find it very interesting to hear others points.  I look forward to reading yours on the forums.

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    mosirigwaposted 12 years ago

    i have gone through your website and i was pleased with your teachings i request to work together hear in Kenya,
    hope to her from you my friends
    yours brother mosirigwa.

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    1. profile image0
      just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hi mosirigwa. I'm new here too. Welcome to the madhouse.

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      1. Castlepaloma profile image76
        Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Its worst in the real world, here you can talk about it rather than talking to a mental doctor. Being an artist some people may  think I have a screw loose.

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          china manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          If you don't have a few loose screws you probably arenot an artist !  How else could artists see into the present the way they do big_smile

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          1. Castlepaloma profile image76
            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            For me it's being a little crazy, keeps me from going insane, just a messenger; don't kill the messenger,

            Maybe artist are the number one enemies for politician

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            1. Castlepaloma profile image76
              Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              just-curious

              I find you one the most open minded Christian on this site, Maybe a bit of a optialcoholic an invented word of optimistic/alcoholic, meaning trying to turn as much of negatives into a positive like myself. I'm not interested in questioning your good intensions, just your source of good intension mainly the Bible. I guess you see the big business of organized Religion can be tooled into war and greed easily.

              The Bible has the most contradiction of any book I have ever read, where large groups of people often try to practice. The second most written spiritually book ever written, that was wrote was 500 years before the Bible,is Taoism. I can't find any clear contradiction in the book of Taoism, why is that? just curious.

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                just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                I don't know. Off the cuff, maybe it was written by one guy. The Bible spans so many hundreds of years, I guess the train of thought gets disjointed when you try to follow it. I'm glad you brought that up. I don't know a thing about Taoism. It will be something to read about. If it's at the library. I'm incredibly cheap. I'd hate to have to buy it.

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                1. Castlepaloma profile image76
                  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  You can find it in the library, if you’re looking for peace of mind that is where it is at. At least, the most beautiful words that flows nature with man.

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                  1. profile image0
                    just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    Ok, as long as it isn't all poetic and mysterious. I get lost in that. I will definitely hit the library tomorrow.

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