it's simple, of course they exist, otherwise how else would we so readily know what they are, if they didn't exist we wouldn't know about them to argue of the existence of them
also, if you think of God(s) as the force, that makes things be, then they exist, otherwise, things wouldn't exist
What is/are this/these "god" things you are writing about proving the existence of?
If you are going to just offer an opinion as "proof,"of this/these "god" things, don't bother.
like i said, it's the force that makes things be, i didn't say they were a conciousness, just a forge
what is gravity, you can't see it, it's just a force
...and you don't read well either.
I said if all you have to offer is opinion in ref to what this/these "god" thing/things are, don't bother.
I'd suggest a class in 2nd grade English for ya.
Well speaking of second grade English, you may wish to find a dictionary.
That way you will quickly learn that "you" is not spelled "ya"
Some people are incredibly retarded
but what i am getting at is not an opinion, it is a fact, there must have be a force that created
even if you believe in the big bang theory, what created the big bang, soem particles rubbing together, what created the particles, a force, there must have been a force that created this chain reaction
in my theory, God was that force, the very prove of our existance is proof of that force
that is my proof
First of all if your begining statement was true then smurfs also exist, and they do, as an idea someone thought up. Your second argument is a little better. Only because its harder to argue because it makes so little sense. You could substitute anything for god and make the same case. I could say "bananas are that force".
Lycan nobody bothered you. You simply decided to jump in with your 2 cents worh of belittling others and doubt. Listen up kid, God exists! If he didn't neither would you.
That's quite a 'belittling' response, Dave.
Beelzedad: if you feel belittled by the truth, than so be it. God's truth will not be quietened, just because someone gets offended in what He has to say.
In other words, you can say whatever you want to anyone and then defend it as the "truth".
Let's try to remember Dave, that it isn't your god speaking those words, it is YOU!
If as you say God does not exist and if as you say the words I type here are my words? Explain this to me. How did the words I speak or write enter into my mind before I speak or type them? Who or What and How are the thoughts and word responses formed for me to type. I believe that God's Holy Spirit gives me the thoughts, the words and I use my fingers to type the letters to form words and sentences and thought.
From the bible? Or, your own version of biblical scripture.
The brain, of course, unless you are denying you are in possession of one.
Yes, and under that contrived guise you assume full freedom to say whatever you want and never have to take responsibility for it. Yes, god told me to do it. We've seen the results of that kind of belief. Airplanes into skyscrapers sort of thingy. Remember.
Beelzedad: I asked you how did the words,thoughts, enter my mind before I even speak them or type them. Not where did they come from. I have not quoted scripture from the bible to you.
Of course I have a brain but how are the thoughts arriving in my brain if not placed there by God's Holy Spirit?
Please do not compare me to some fanatic crashing planes. Granted they claim that they are doing it in the name of their god, but I know of no god that would direct someone to do such a horendous thing and claim it in his name. My God would never ever ask such a thing of me or anyone else.
There is no question, Dave, you read them from your holy book and are not repeating what you read. Of course, you can make up any ridiculous excuse that they were "placed" there by your god but that isn't going to fly with anyone. You are simply not taking responsibility for your own actions.
We really don't that Dave. With your words above that you believe your god is planting thoughts in your mind and you are carrying out those thoughts, we can only consider how dangerous such a situation could turn out.
Exactly, "your god", everyone elses is wrong. Its silly for those other idiots to believe in their stupid god, everyone knows my god is the only true one. did your god tell you he hates fags? how about to burn books? or ignore the fact that the world was round till 100 years ago. did your god tell king richard to kill all those people during the crusades?
Thanks for your comment Dave
but actually, some body did bother me, they went on about how he could prove God didn't exist by going on about electrical gates and binary language as though this was a defining answer
granted his statement was well in depth, but, stating something just because you believe in is daft, just as i stated i could prove God just to strike back at the argument.
Hey qwark. It's hard to pin down a definition because he changes so much. Last time I saw him he was about 6'2" with (and I know this sound odd) dreadlocks. They looked really good on him. I think he was posing as Hawaiian, or something.
Anyway there's your proof.
Do not question this concept again.
When someone tells me not to do something, The "lil kid" in me says "I'm gonna do it!" lol
The last time I saw "him," "it" was a bald, female, Mauri with alota facial and body tatoo's.
Is this damned "god" thing a "shapeshifter?"
I'm so confused...:
The existence of God cannot be proven from one mind to another...
Each requires it own proof...and what soever that man believes.. then to him he has created a god for himself by himself.
And the nature of his God determines his nature and outlook of Life... or death as each case might be...
And that god can be aything from nothing unto all things...
Nevertheless There is one God of Truth which is cheif among all Gods...not because he has exalted himself among the others but becaause he has humbled himself unto Truth and Truth alone...
Thus his exaltation comes, not by other but Truth itself...
and just as He is so Am I...
I know what Fairies are...and have discussed them in detail with friends on various occasions. I also know what Unicorns are, I have even watched movies with both of these beings in them as key players of the plots...does that make them real things? Beliefs are just that...beliefs...you cannot prove that god does or does not exist...however the form in which some gods are claimed to exist can be proven wrong.
an interesting point, i've never seen fairies, but lack of evidence for their existance isn't the same as evidence of their none existance
maybe they do exist, i'll let other's decide that one
No need to prove God exists, this is truth and we have to accept it, like we cant see air but we can feel it same way we cant see God is he is incorporeal same like us, as our real identity is soul, and we have taken this coutume (body) to play a role on this earth. And we can see God with thrid eye that is knowledge of eye.
God implies infinite intelligence. Energy isn't intelligent. Therefore any use of labeling "energy" as god is absurd.
Energy isn't intelligent. Intelligence is derived from consciousness. Without consciousness, intelligence doesn't exist.
What is consciousness? Is that not energy?
No, it's not. Consciousness has no classification. It was something that came from an expansion of the mindspace. It's not super-natural either.
Yes agree it is not super natural nor does it have a classification because it uses the brain and the only way they can measure it is through the brain. Outside the brain it cannot be measured. Does not mean it is not energy because it cannot be measured.
It's not energy. It's mind space. Increase capacity of storage and use of storage.
Can you explain what mind space is? ?What does it store?
Capacity for learning. I thought you would know that.
What does one see? What does one learn? What does one experience? Your mind space is the brain(the capacity of your brain). The brain works on impulses(energy). How your mind space is used is up to you. Once you understand. It's like a harddrive, store and retrieve, information/knowledge/pictures/experiences.
In that case, I want at least a 20 Terabyte capacity or even greater
Oh yes I think I am getting what you are pointing out. Lets see? So mind space only exists in the brain or out of the brain too? Space is nothing so where does it begin and end. Nowhere right? The brain is the conduit by which nothing learns, experiences etc.
Mind space doesn't exist outside of the brain. Mind space only describes the capacity of the brain.
This statement is just nonsense. Mind space is NOT Space such as outer space. Think woman. You comprehend better than this and I know it. The brain learns everything, even if you don't realize it.
It's just a matter of what capacity of your brain you use. From what I gather no one uses their brain to their full power. Imagine what life would be like if every one could and did?
I know this. Why are you posting to my post? Hmmm....
I was explaining to Penny. And, you would be correct, humans use very little of their capacity. Chosen ignorance is why it happens. Those who have an outright refusal to learn, grow and expand their minds, are the problem.
It's unfortunate that doesn't speak much for 2/3 of the population who believe in a god of some sort.
And people say religion isn't a problem. People complain because there isn't enough love in the world, yet 2/3 of the population of the world supposedly lives by a god's command to love themselves and love thy neighbor...yet fail to do so.
And, people have the nerve to say that religion isn't the cause for all the problems in the world- it might not be, but whatever politics doesn't have a hand in, then religion does.
Haha, yes agree. The capacity to learn how to fire the neurons that gives perception to more of what already exists.
I am posting to your post to learn more of what you have to say (:You're very intelligent in some areas, though very close minded in others. There never seems to be a middle means to meet on such subjects with anyone. I'm not arguing against your disbeliefs, I simply don't understand why everyone has to have an ultimately closed end deal on every single area of life. (:
You and I know that what you're saying is not that accurate.
The notion of God implies infinite all right, which means faith.
And that is no subject for discussion. Point.
About energy being the source of intelligence or that energy is derived from consciouseness, that's pure rethorics. And it leads nowhere.
The universe has an intelligence of it's own and we are but mere subjects.
Someone said that we (humans) are the consciouseness of the universe.
So we are the consciouseness of the intelligence of the universe.
Ain't it good for the end of the evening ?
Still rethorics, but in a somewhat more positive way.
Anyway, it's better that saying that our god is petrol.
And that we invest colossal sums on its behalf.
God implies worship/beliefe, not intelligence, it's very easy to believe in an energy that created
God is Light..
To the carnal mind light is the highest form of energy...
But God is beyond Light and is consciousness, which is the sum total of all knowledge, intelligence...
Consciouness/Intelligence is all knowledge streamlined to work in harmony with each other...This is Life.
It contrast it self with death. where all is in disorder, chaos darkness, unconsciousness...
The Mind is this consciousness and is beyond the brain...
in the carnal man this consciousness is divided... thus we see, we hear, we feel...but all these experiences are merely part of the whole, which is knowledge...consciousness.
The carnal mind takes the divided consciousness and put it to work against itself rather than in harmony with itself...this goes against Life thus it is death.
So if a man continues to live only for the fleshly experiences, he dies because he works against his own self and he has created death for himself by himself.,
When a man comes to the knowledge of Truth which is Life.. he now understands the way Life works... and rather than working against it he works in harmony with it...
To achieve this he must change the way he thinks...he will quit following the divided sensations of the body..but follow the one principle upon which Life exist...
that is "Love your neighbor as yourself"....this is a way of thinking from which all actions flow....and this one can do no evil because what so ever he has done flow from the correct mindset......
Hope this clarifies some of the confusion..
Agree consciousness as far as the finite mind understands is beyond any description we have. Consciousness for me is an energy that cannot be described but energy is the closest logical description we have available.
Once you consider your mind as finite.. then you close it....
The mind is infinite...it is always so... to those who believes it is finite..they make it so of themselves and for themselves....
Yes it is infinite I do agree. That isn't what I was saying however. I said as far as a finite mind (closed mind in your description) understands consciousness is beyond description. So in order to communicate with finite minds way of perceiving one needs to speak in language that is understood. Which is logic. There are many who advocate the infiniteness of consciousness then there are those that don't.
mind is infinite?
what is mind made of, for it to be finite or infinite?
How does the finite mind contain the infinite thoughts??
again upsided down thinking.....repentance to adust
Infinity is a concept. It does not exist in reality. Therefore you can hold an infinite number of concepts in a finite mind.
You are the one thinking upside down.
So to restate...
infinity is a concept of the mind....
concepts of the mind are thoughts and also infinite...
but the mind itself is finite....
I say those who thinks so dies....because their thinking is upsided down...
what do you say?
I say you are using semantics to justify an irrational belief.
The mind is physically finite, but can hold an infinite concept. I suspect the mind is conceptually finite also, based on my observations - I see many people having difficulty grasping certain concepts which leads me also to suspect that all minds are not equal.
As always - your point is lost amidst your absurd claims and need for validation. If you believe what you claim to believe - you would utterly not need to even discuss the matter.
Thus your thinking is upside down and you are already dead.
It would have been more succinct, and I think more polite, to simply say I disagree. Just a thought.
Perhaps - but then we would never understand each other. Probably would have been polite for you to have kept your judgment to yourself also. But then you are clearly a "do as I say, not as I do," type of person, which is what the Christian religion teaches you to be.
Just a thought.
In any case - he asked me what I thought and knows full well I am honest and will tel it as I see it. No one asked you anything - yet here you are casting judgments.
Lighten up Mark. I'm simply searching for the reasons atheists are so serious about a topic I would think should be a joke to them.
Yes, if we refused tolerance for every concept that spawns a fanatic, we'd certainly be better off, but over legislated I'm sure.
No one suggested anything about refusing to tolerate anything. We are just talking and you said you wanted to know why I had an opinion on religion - turns out you did not want an answer after all. Religion is in class of its own when it comes to spawning violent fanatics. You rarely see chess fanatics rioting to get their irrational beliefs recognized by law.
Not a big fan of the commandments after all I see.
You need not worry...
all men were once ignorant...
but those who dies in it are those who established themselves as it.
This they do when they try to cover their ignorance with a braggadocios show of arrogance....
Why? because they need to be somebody in the eyes of everyone else..
therefore Life will judge between me and you...
and who are you to judge the things that I should or should not do....
have you given me the breath of Life, have you ordered my steps in this world?
I have to do the things that I must do...
and you must do the same...
The difference between me and you is that I understand perfectly well the things that I do and even the things that you do..
While you forever question yourself and others ...I am at peace.
I do not think you understand me at all, because you clearly do not understand yourself. Nor are you capable of reading what I wrote it seems.
I never said a word about what you "should" do - why would you think I said anything about what you should or should not do?
What I said was - if you believed what you claim - you would not need to even discuss the matter. I do not share your high opinion of your understanding.
But you have hit the nail on the head as to where we differ. You think you have all the answers - I am constantly looking and refining my knowledge - even to the point of needing to discard certain things I thought were for sure. I am always looking, always seeking, always exploring, questioning. You know it all. I would die of boredom - as you are doing.
That would your personal description not exactly shared by those who understand biology.
Biology only understands within the limits of language. "closest" is like 'accurate' in the world of physics.
If its not energy for you. Don't worry, it can be anything you want it to be.
And you are above biology? You are able to go beyond the "limits of language"? Tell us more.
Unlike yourself, I observe and understand the world around me as it is, not like I want it to be. I do understand why believers want the world to be a certain way rather than what it really is, but the problem is that there are so many believers with so many different versions of the same reality. You appear to have come up with your own version and your own definitions of words to describe that version, as well.
No neither have I claimed to be.
Oh you mean make it up just as science does? If so ok if you say so.
An interesting way to mock something you don't understand. I really thought you were beyond that Penny. Science doesn't make up things. It discovers things or creates new things.
I many not be a scholar but I do understand science. Yes I don't deny that Science discovers things (or part thereof) and creates things that are useful to humankind. There are no absolutes however and the joy of discovery is an ongoing process. To claim that a theists defines their own understanding within the limitations of the language we have available to us is no different to what science does when they make new discoveries. Simply because no words exist to describe the process or whatever it is they have discovered.
So if it is good for the scientist. Why is not good for believers? A planck did not exist till they discovered it. Much of what some experience cannot be explained with the language we have available. Yet we do not make up new words to fit our understanding. We try to fit it in with existing words.
Perhaps that is why in the days of old drawings that were symbolic for the things it represented were drawn. Even then language failed to convey the experience.
This post is a failed attempt to explain what you know. I guess, I expected more from you. Maybe too much. Oh well.
Yet, all of your posts show significantly and emphatically you don't understand science at all. Many things have been pointed out to you as being quite wrong. Why would say you do understand science when it is clear you don't?
Oh my, dear me. At this point, Penny, it is no longer viable to carry on a discussion about science. I mean, just look at what you said.
Is that what you honestly believe? Oh my, dear me.
what is god?
consciousness is self awareness a function of brain..
even if you use 100% of your brain how can mind, a thing that does not exist(which is only a function of brain-a concept) be finite or infinite?
Those are classic examples of logical fallacies. Replace your god with anything conjured from the imagination and the statements bear equally.
What you are trying to prove is that "god" = Serendipity.
I can buy that. :
you're slightly over stretching the boundries of serendipity, but yes, this has been my notion since the start, the God in which i refer doesn't need to be believed or worshipped, it doesn't know what these things are, it's just a force with the ability to bring about existence
but thanks for your comments, they've been fun
oh, i've put some final notes at the bottom of this if you wanna check them out
Yes - the word "God," has traditionally been used to fill in the gaps in our knowledge, which is what you have just done. Glad to hear it didn't write a Holy Book for you though.
There is a far, far simpler alternative to "something has to create everything."
thanks for this post, i also believe in god i am full faith of god.
I also know what a fairy is, a Jedi, an elf, Bigfoot, a wizard, a troll, an ogre, an orc. I know what all those things are. I know what superman is too. Yet I don't believe any of those things actually exist. Are you suggesting that human beings couldn't have come up with the concept of God without one existing? That's absurd in the highest degree.
Things do not exist just because we can imagine them.
I can imagine a lot of things.
But I am not going to lie about them and tell that they are real.
Though some people do that too.
many htings exist because people imagined them, why not gods
I agree, a good example of this would be electricity.
Thales of Miletus was the first known researcher of electricity, many people thought he was insane for thinking electricity could be used in such a way as we use it now.
His imagination gave light to many of the things we take for granted now.
Similar Funny arguments -
MORAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) In my younger days I was a cursing, drinking, smoking, gambling, child-molesting, thieving, murdering, bed-wetting bastard.
(2) That all changed once I became religious.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
Describes my past life to a T.
Sadly, I now find my Pastor groping & fondling me after Sunday service
Well, I think there must be a God. If there weren't, why would be talking about him so much?
...'cause we're "children" in the playpen trying to make sense outa everything in the room.
It's probably a calendar thingy or something like that. Belief in gods is a year round, 24/7 subject. I'm sure if Santa Claus came down our chimneys everyday of the year, he too would be a regular topic for discussion.
I don't wanna explain more openly because it's wrong to say things by ourselves according to and about my religion......
I would say to understand the "God", go over the religious' books where you can find something interesting which might inspire you about something.. There are things that we didn't know until the modern age but were written in holy books.
There was my friend who was unbeliever and he once asked me why? and also, he said "everything is the system" when i said that everything made by God. so i gave him a example such as " yes everything works as a system, but there has to be someone who created it and is controlling it"
You can apply the Newton's law, "Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it."
If still have more questions, research on it by reading different religious books, anything else.
Ask yourselves why nonbelievers become religious after researching on religious books, What thing there is that changes their whole life.
But Why? Hm?
"You cant change something unless you have intentions"
....and that is pure, unadulterated, trite, ignorant sillyness!
the only ignorance being shown is the disbeliefe that there was a creating force that created life
i think what is happening here is my message is being taken out of contexts,
i'm only arguing to prove the existence of a force that created existence, i call this force god
i'm not arguing to prove the existence of a robed man with a beard with some divine plan that defines our fate
if you can not beleive the simple fact that there was a force that created existence, then you may aswell believe that you don't exist
like i mentioned before, your existence is the proof that this force exists, if it didn't exist, we wouldn't exist
Of course there was a creator. "It" was serendipity!
Your forum title is:
"I can prove god/s exist."
Your first sentence should define "god/s" as you refer to "It/them" in this message.
Before I can consider this forum subject, I must know what you mean when you say "god/s.
As you presented it, all that you offer seems to me to be trite religious BS which proves nothing.
You clearly do not read any of the comments properly.
He has clearly stated that he is an atheist, and did define what "god" is, the definition being the force behind all creation.
The forum is not here to express "god" as any kind of religious being/entity, but merely defines the aspect of some higher power.
This does not mean some concious being, merely a force similar to that of gravity, unseen, unconcious and natural.
You can "prove" anything to anyone all you want, the fact of life is, though, that you can not make them believe it. They must decide on their own whether they want to or not. Personally I don't see any harm in believing. The harm that is often pointed out is that caused by these so-called "prophets" (false prophets) that take the very weak minded and manage to make them believe some crazy thing about religion that's very untrue. Most of these are called cults. The religious wars going on, that is because of small difference, be it the belief in a different type of god, or no belief it all. Atheism isn't free from this ongoing battle. They are a big part of it, because of their arguments that there is no god of any sort. Because of people with that belief that there is none, it sparks a little flame in various religions that do believe and causes anger, just as any disagreement among people would cause, and in turn, causes arguments, which lead to fights, which lead to battles, and finally wars. It's all about choice, and in America especially, people hold their "written freedoms" so dearly they would rather die fighting for them than live accepting some limitations must exist.
I find it so humorous that some people are desperated that someone prove the existence of God. Just Prove God Exist and to what end? It wouldn't Matter One Tiny Bit if one could prove God's existence-Faced With That Fact THEY WOULDN'T CHANGE ONE THING ABOUT THEIR OUTLOOK ON LIFE. It's not about proving the existence of God it's about having things my own way and with the existence of a righteous God means we can't live any kind of life.
it's amusing, im not desperate to prove the existence of God, i just had some spare time
but you're absolutely right, it's not about proving God exist, it's the influence on that person that that knowledges has, for instance, i could very easily prove the son exists, but that doesn't mean we have to sit around believing it and praying to it, we just know it exist and carry on with our lives
in my argument all i'm saying is God is that force that created things, i'm not saying it's a concious though that panned anything, or has a divine plan, just a force to exist
God loves you all and wants you to experience peace and life,
abundant and eternal. And yes God do exist. There is one God,
the true living God. The Bible says, "we have peace with God
through our Lord Jesus Christ. "Romans 5:1.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have ever
lasting life." John 3:16
Jesus said, "I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly." John 10:10
God created us in His own image to have an abundant life. He
did not make us as robots to automatically love and obey Him, but gave us a will and a freedom or choice.
We chose to disobey God and go our own willful way. We still
make this choice today. This results in separation from God.
The Bible Says, "For all have sinned and fall short of the
glory of God." Romans 3:23
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal
life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23
Actually Habee, what you and any other paranormal experiencer ever had was a "right-brain" experience. But, good to know. Thank you for sharing.
if you here voices without a body be careful!!
if you are not insane then it is the first sign of temporal lobe tumour
just saying amen because everyone else is, is this the end or something......
Do atoms and molecules think for themselves?
How did they know they had to become certain things? Like billions of atoms bonded together and became a liver, a pancreas etc. Were they programed to do it? If they were, who programed it all?
How did the trillions of atoms in the digestive system know of the gravitational force that the Earth exerts on everything? How did the digestive system place mouth on a higher level and intestine at a lower level facilitating the passage of food downwards, for, downwards the must go with gravity pulling the it down. Why was anus at the bottom most level? Did it know that excreta had to make its exit through it and the Earth's gravity will always be pulling the excreta down and so it (anus) had to be where it is?
Did all this all happen by the process of evolution? If evolution is the way, how was this digestive system perfect from day one and did not evolve over time?
Lots of questions that do have answers, and if you spent the time to seek them out, you'd have a better understanding.
Thanks to everyone that's contributed in this forum blog, even qwark, lol
I know the message isn't quite clear in my first statement, but i wanted to leave room for doubt, so thta people would get stuck in and involved, if the message was clear form the start no one would have replied, well, not as many
so my final notes on this are
God is the force that created, it is not a conscious being with a divine plan for us all, but a natural force, such as gravity.
It does not care if you believe or disbelieve in it, as it doesn't even know what beliefe is, but it will keep on exist regardlessly
Even if you are an atheist and believe in the Big bang theory, there is still room for doubt, such as, what caused the big bang, a need for existance must have been present, a force that caused it all to happen, in my claims, i have called this Force God, for as, what better name could you give an energy that has the protential to bring everything into existance,
unless you have stronger evidence to disprove this theory then there is no real reason to disbelieve in it
as Midnight11 has quite clearly stated, I am an atheist, i don't follow any religion, but, to completely disregard the fact that something had to create everything is completely ignarant,
So for myself, I have created a way that I can know a God figure created, but not believe in a Robed man in the sky, I am an atheist, yet i respect the fact that there are religious people out there
"it's simple, of course they exist, otherwise how else would we so readily know what they are"
Because humans created the idea of gods, and the idea has remained in many cultures for thousands of years. That's how.
"also, if you think of God(s) as the force, that makes things be, then they exist, otherwise, things wouldn't exist"
Of course everyone is free to define God or gods in any way they wish. If I choose to define God as an apple pie, then it's obvious that God exists.
If we define God as gravity, or energy, or the Big Bang, or the universe itself, then of course God exists. We have ensured that God "exists" by simply making "God" a synonym of something else that is known to exist.
However, this is a disingenuous exercise because God and gods have always been supernatural entities in human beliefs, and have had very unique definitions.
Still waiting for the proof for God.
by definition that would be one heavenly apple pie lol
i like your views, very good views, but the argument has progressed a little since the first statement,
but yes, everything is free to depict God as they wish, i have simple stated that God was the energy that created, not some divine man with a plan for us all, it's all mention above
there is no real proof, but a theory, some force/energy must have sparked everything off, that energy is God, and atheist and religious persons alike can not deny the fact that something have to cause reality, it couldn't have just happened on it's own, or did it, unless any of the fellow hubbers have a time machine we'll never really know, but for now, it's a fun argument
but, on a serious note, you probably dont want to go around saying your apple pie is God, that's just the ravings of a mad man
Indeed. Isn't it interesting that an apple pie God is the ravings of a madman, but claiming a man was born to a virgin woman 2000 years ago, and then died and came back to life, is totally reasonable to most people.
I was responding to your most recent comment as much as to the first. Most of this discussion has been the typical "Amen" stuff of the religious and the snarky zingers of the atheists.
Again I say what you are doing here is disingenuous, to arbitrarily define "God" as something that it has never been defined as. It is no better or worse than arbitrarily defining "God" as an apple pie, just so you can say "it exists... but it's not what you thought."
The energy or force that created the universe is very interesting, but it cannot be God because it does not meet all of the other criteria of "God" as God has been defined. You are referring to something else besides God. Maybe a vague "life force" or "the force" of Star Wars, but not God as it has been conceived by Abrahamic religions and even many non-Abrahamic ones.
i was wondering how long it would take some one to say star wars lol, thank you for doing so
granted, the god i speak of doesn't fit all the criteria that most people would think of when thinking of the term god, such as wise, knowledgeful and so on, but it has the ability to pull things into existance and that's enough for me
for me, i am happy with the knowledge that i exist, i don't need to believe in mor ethan that, i can live, experience thngs, how lovely debates with people, and i can enjoy this knowledge
for some people though, they need soemthing more, which is possibly the reason why a big man in the sky was created, they wanted to know if there was more than what we have already,
whethere there is this god in which religion talks of exists or not may never really be proven, neither atheist or preist can fully prove their point, but the arguement is always fun to see what people say
so again, i thank you for your comment
Naw! I just named the "force" "applepie."
Good enuf for me...:
Your thought should have ended with this comment you just made: "... I know of no god...." Finis!
This was all an incredible waste of time, kind of like reading People magazine, but I enjoyed it somehow.
God exist gods also exist, but God is the supreme. i am an African, a Nigerian to say, in my community, people to consult a sort of god worshipped by our ancestors, to obtain extra-ordinary powers to: prevent bullets from penetrating their bodies,offer them luck in businesses,cause others to die either through sickness or direct death,prevent knife from piercing their bodies, etc, i have witnessed them al happen, not being told it happened. in fact people that bows down to this gods and their powers, do lots of unimagineable things, they also do vanish and reappear at will.
why am i telling you all these stories? to give you a practical proof that God exist. therefore, if such a god that has the power to do such evil and silly things exist, why doubt the existence of its opposite and superior to say, a God?
don't allow yourself to be fooled by peoples' theory and unimagineable facts that God doesn't exist, if you do, i promise you would regret not too far...a philosopher from France was once in this situation, he published a lot of books, articles, booklets, etc proofing how he thought doesn't exist. but on the edge of his death, he was clearly shown that he was so wrong, he cried bitterly, pleading the nurses and relations to please go and withdraw all his money and go back to his publisher to print this word "God exist, forget my former arguments" and he ordered that it be made available to all the places his publications reached for free. please dear friends, stop arguing about this, God truly exist. you can check out a hub i wrote on this topic, it will help answer your question and curiousity. Thank you all!
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