Roadblock to Theism
- just_curiousposted 12 years ago
0Sounds to me as though you are beginning to think logically, and are coming to the only rational conclusion.
As you correctly conclude - a god is logically impossible.
Not sure what you wish to discuss - the theists will claim that their god exists outside of logic and reason, so you cannot expect a "reasonable" rebuttal.
"Majik" is the answer you will receive.
But - good to see all that flailing around claiming unfathomable knowledge has ceased.
Welcome to the dark side, Obi Wan.
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/66856
Saves you some time.See, that's my problem. A little voice told me you'd be the first to respond.
I wandered over to that thread you gave the link and checked it out.
No no no. Under no circumstances will I agree with pcunix. It's against everything I hold dear.
That goes for one or two other prominent nay sayers. You're special though. you recommend excellent reading material.I like this idea. It makes sense. I like the humble yourself comment. I can see that, the worship I was having trouble with. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
When nonsense, magic, insults and threats are all that comes from believers words, ridicule is the only thing that can be offered in light of logic or reason, which is well beyond a believers conceptual capacity to understand.
now ridicule is offered in light of reason or logic.
interesting
sound of the buzzer again on this one.
ridicule is hardly a substitute for logic or reason unless the person offering this is infantile, bored or just out to destroy.
This is where you are in wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy over your head and so many times you are shown to be drowning in limited thought and repetitious jargon.
When christian questions are asked; the limited thinker, the person in the box of reality, the one who has no room for miracles; can only be silent, because to argue with only half the ammo or half the understanding or in other words to be totally unequipped to debate on the christian level is just insanity being insane. For instance i don't go into a thread about quantum physics and ridicule them, even though quantum physics, i think, is still an unproven theory, perhaps i am wrong, the point is, out of respect and i myself realizing i am unequipped to debate in this arena, i stay clear. This makes me a nice(r) person than those who constantly feel of higher moral (in an atheistic manner) to digress and interfere and impute functions of talky talk, where those rude people are both 'bound by duty to do so' and quite inept.
this is proven by the definition of insanity itself: something being done exactly the same way, repeatedly, over and over again, with hope for a different result.
welcome to your world beely
uhoh.. whats that ... the sound of a buzzer. Quick run to Disneyland
Believers invoke magic into their beliefs regardless of what anyone thinks.
That's what we keep trying to tell you but you continue to invoke it, anyways.
It is understandable that believers aren't interested in reality, that is why they continue to invoke magic.
Yes, you invoke magic.
Hilarious. You're claiming it's stupid to not believe in magic.
Notice you said "(as i like to phrase it)" - in other words, you're just making up magic as you go along. Priceless!
The early universe was nothing more than a hot ocean of radiation. When we break this down, we find it is little more than energy, which can be broken down further into two types; Potential (stored energy) and Kinetic (energy at work).
Energy is always conserved, however it can be borrowed from a source but not necessarily has to be returned to the source. It does still have to made accountable. With this simple example, we can formulate theories as to how the universe came about entirely on its own, without the need of a "sentient hand", so to speak.
Energy, borrowed from a source and not returned resulted in our universe.Not an answer to the question, but hey; thanks for playing.
Yes, I understand that reading comprehension and critical thinking are weak while religious indoctrination is strong, hence you are unable to see an answer.
You should follow Eaglekiwi's idea. She's collecting a dollar for donation every time Mark says Christians cause conflict.
No one. But, I do understand your penchant for invoking magical beings where none are required.
well come on now. if something isn't returned it must be for a reason? Where did it go. doesn't physics say that the laws that govern this sort of stuff never vary from their intended trajectory? I am certain that if jupiter were to vanish one day there would have to be reason for it? or would "it just wasn't returned suffice... "
finger on the buzzer......Yes, there must have been a reason for the energy to not return to it's source, however we can find many examples of this phenomenon in nature and many reasons for there occurrence.
It was the energy that became the 'building blocks' of our universe.
Nope. I never heard of such a thing.
Strawman fallacy, and a very silly one at that.
There is a far simpler alternative.
Lets see if you can work it out for yourself.I believe I have. I'm looking for rebuttal. Not condescension at this point. Thanks.
I was not being condescending. I genuinely thought you might be ready to step out of the little box your mind is in and was encouraging you. Oh well.
No - it is not. There is a third alternative you do not seem to have considered.
Enlighten me as to what you consider that to be.
Perhaps, you may not want to use the word 'logical' when referring to your religious beliefs, 'magical' would be more appropriate. Notice how that well that fits, now?
When will you be drowning them in a flood or sending plagues to kill them? Will you smite them and roast them if they don't love and worship you?
Yet, invoking invisible super beings that wave their magic hands is not "hilarious foolishness"?
Indoctrination is strong in this one.I have never invoked magic. I don't believe that the universe could have started in any way other than a way we will be able to determine. In time.
Bailey bear has explained the reasoning behind your belief that the universe has always been. What a cheesy way to look at things. It isn't magical, but it sure is lame. Just give up? That's your answer?Yes, you always invoke magic and are not interested in any other explanations.
There is that reading comprehension issue coming to light again. That is not my "belief" - with science, we don't deal in terms of beliefs, but instead understanding. Huge difference.I read write well. As do you. The difference between you and me is that I don't search for ways to ridicule. You do. Big difference in philosophy.
And I know why you want to shove this ridiculous theory around. I get it. Stop being so scared.
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep...etc
Formless and void,which I guess equates to nothing to man.
To God it was formless and void
Bit of a difference ,albeit a small one on the surface.No self doesnt invoke it.
But is up to self to accept itBelieving in books and understanding books are two different things of which the latter I'm quite sure escapes you.
This is why your unreligion causes so many wars. If don't have anything to say -why bother with this drivel?
If we are bothering you why don't you go watch some tv.
oh the logic and reason of it all.
neener neener neener
I think that there may yet be a rational explanation, but only when the term 'god' is understood differently. People like myself use the word god with a very differnt meaning than fundamentals do. To me, god is the energy behind everything and within everything, not some man in the clouds that sends everyone he's mad at to hell. Under this definition, (energy) god didn't really begin at all because it exists beyond the restraints of time and space...at least as far as I currently believe
This god didn't really 'make' the universe at all so much as it expresses itself through the universe and so there isn't really a beginning or an end but rather a continuous evolution of creativity. Does that make sense to anyone else?JC your still here? I work online, that's my excuse, what's yours?
Poor little puppy! Is he empty now? I could use a coffee myself!
Been a long day! One never knows with a puppy, apparently. I'd offer you a cup, but I fear it would be cold by the time you got here to drink it.
As you can see, I took a minute and belted out a mock cappuccino using the microwave.
That sounds good. Actually, too good. Now I'm thinking about going out to buy a cappuccino. Thanks a lot ernest. It's way too early to be contemplating that much activity.
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