Is the existance of God Logical?
theredpill:
If you will define this god thing you speak of, in a form other than "opinion," I'd be glad to consider your question and discuss it with you.
Think ya can do that?
If you can't, what's the goal/purpose of your question?
Why would anyone think it'd be worth responding to?
Qwark
:Pure nonsense. If you actually see gods everywhere you look, especially the mirror, get your eyes checked.
Lol! Yes, I'm blinded by reality. However, it appears crystal clear in my vision. Is it a blur for you?
A figment of imagination?
Yes well, this "particle" is interested in learning everything there is to know about the world around us; ie. reality.
Sorry, that you feel your opinion doesn't matter.
Thanks Ranzi, I like that I can always count on you to understand what I am talking about.
Since I don't consider myself religious, I loathe to wade into these kind of discussions.. But hey, we both know how hard that is to (not) do on HubPages lool.
Some people speak from direct experience, and others speak from the way they imagine things to be. I can only talk about what I have experienced directly in my life, and have found to be true for me.
This is not to detract from what others believe, and in a way we are all 'right', since whatever we seek in the world we will find - regardless of whether it is love, hate, God, Satan.. or even Thetans!
I love how you say that none of our opinions will matter in the end. Once we lose everything, there will be only what is real - regardless of what we think it will be. It's nice to speculate at times, but we also need to just enjoy each moment and cross that bridge when we come to it.
After all - We will all have the answer one day, and no amount of debate is going to prevent any of us from having to take that final(?) step!
haha
How do you know that you’re not part of our crazy dream? Maybe we’re your God
Hi Ranzi:
This god concept was created by man to alleviate primitive fears.
No one "finds" (to discover or obtain) whatever this god thing is except as they imagine it.
I "belittle" their faith simply because it is based soley upon hope and conjecture. Only a fool would guide their lives on such sillyness.
There are no atheists!
My mind is "opened wide" for this god thing to be defined so that I can stop wondering why the "abstract concept:" god. can so easily fool and lead the fearful and superstitious sheep.
Again, to those of you who use this word: "god" so often, if you have realized something I haven't and ya can back it up in a form other than "opinion" based upon logic and reason, pls offer it!
I've been asking this question for 45 yrs and haven't received a credible response yet.
I'm about to give up and conclude that this god thing falls into the same category as Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the "Sandman," the toothfairy et al....:
QwarkPlease don't give up qwark! I will explain it to you.
Once upon a time a god made himself out of nothing from nowhere, became his own son, then killed himself so that you could be as free as all the religious people are!
Women are just spare ribs really, and the three bears and little red riding hood lived happily ever after!
I know that may seem a bit disjointed, but hey who am I to argue with the "word"
There ya go!
That was logical wasn't it?Hey Quark,
Who said that insanity was always destructive? There are mentally ill people who have lost a whole family in a tragedy, and believe that their wife and kids visit them once a week in a mental hospital. They are so happy and content within their own illusions. So perhaps loosing their mind was the only way they were able to survive the reality of their tragedy. And for some people believing in a God is a way to survive the threat of their immortality.
So perhaps the illusion of a god serves a better purpose in some peoples mind. Maybe these “fearful and superstitious sheep” that you describe, have found more peace here on earth than you and I. Because you yourself have been searching for the answer of “who the hell is this god that most people know? Why the hell doesn’t he talk to me?” for the last 45 years, while these sheep have harmony thinking that they know God.
And perhaps these “fearful and superstitious sheep” will die and there may be no God, but at least they have lived a life filled with hope, faith and purpose. Because a life without purpose, could at times be cruel. A life without hope could leave people feeling mediocre.
I’m actually envious of these sheep, and hope some day I could find this God, the same god that makes these believers eyes shine when they talk about him/her/it…who whether fantasy or reality….it doesn’t matter.
I’m not suggesting that you live your life in illusion, or that you become a submissive sheep, but just be aware that imagination and fairy tales are what at many times give people hope.
I like your point btw and agree with you in many ways
The Big Bang produced a sea of hot dense radiation that eventually cooled and formed into atoms and molecules (gases) some hundreds of thousands of years later.
Where is the proof --hard evidence- of this?
Sigh, just more scientific ( = post theistic ) woo-woo la-la.
Not very rational or logical for that 'matter'.
JamesFunny how you ask that question and then claim to have some sort of minor degree in... what was it again?
I am asking YOU the question. So, bugger me if you can't answer?
What my education has to do with you ACTUALLY responding with information (proof) is beyond me. Based on your usual, general, but nonetheless genuine drivel, I personally do not think you can answer that question. Which proves far more than I can say here, fella. Thanks, enjoy your rejection.
James.
Where would you get that ridiculous notion? Do you actually know anything about the Big Bang or are you just guessing? It would be beneficial for you to understand the theory rather than just making silly remarks about chickens and eggs.
If you can explain that without running around in circles and double talking with no proof of origin just like most of you claim religious people to do, then I will stand on your side. The ball is in your court my friend.
ps, that is because the BBT was finally compiled by a Belgian Catholic Priest. In essence, it is the exact same construct as "And [God] said". Only difference, science says it went BANG!
James.In other words, everything you understand about the theory is zilch and you're just guessing. You have no clue, right?
Most scientific theory such as gravity, are not I repeat "are not" confirmed facts. If you don't believe me ask a scientist or doctor. They are theories that make sense and have no other possible explanations, 'yet'. I suggest you do some research too my friend.
I recently watched the doco about the three missing gospels of Peter Mary Magdalene and some other dude. After doing more research, I see there are 20 missing gospels.
That;s like a workshop manual with all the engine and transmission data ripped out!
Any wonder it is a mishmash of indecipherable rhubarb!
logic = "sound mind".
righteousness = "right thinking" aka a "sound mind", aka "logical" aka "rational faith",
not aloof, here-thee-and-anywhere haphazard woop-woop I gotta word...
If you think Creator and we his creations aren't supposed to use our brains, logic, youare sadly misinformed.
James.Incorrect, the mind/brain is to regulate the light of the spirit to the body and vice versa. The brain is a tool, a mechanic to manifest/process/filter that Light. It is the place all knowledge necessary for man to live in Free Will/Grace was placed, so he would not be captive to it nor ruled by it. The knowledge was sufficient for him to be a perfect being -walking with Creator, understanding the unseen and seen.
James.
He just 'knows'... He, like every other religious zealot, feels it to be true and therefore he 'believes' it is true and his belief is all that is necessary for it to be proclaimed an 'absolute truth'. Anyone who can't see the obvious truth in it is simply lacking in mental clarity and to be pitied.
theredpill:
Then your question is silly.
It can't be answered in any form but opinion.
There are as many opinions as there are people: 6.7 billion?
C'mon theredpill get real...:
QwarkJust getting back in here, if you haven't already noticed look around, I explained why my question is not a silly one. No question that causes the type of reaction that this one has can be a silly question. The "End Game' is knowledge to all in this room. Everyone has something to teach someone else.
- : therdpill:
You don't seem to be able to grasp the reason I refer to your question as being silly.
You seem to think that because so many respond, they have something intrinsic and credible to offer and they don't...nor do you or I.
The first thing you presume, which is silly,:...is this god thing your question refers to.
That question is "IMPOSSIBLE" to answer except in terms of OPINION ...as is your reference to the "big bang."
No "thinker" would consider answering your question until this "god" thing you refer to can be defined in other than opinion and if and once that has been done, trying to figure out if it exists could be considered to "logical" to those who are interested.
The abstract "concept" god, itself, is just a "fairytale" and exists only in the imaginations of the "hopeful"... until proved otherwise.
The "premise" of your question, "god" is silly (Exhibiting a lack of wisdom or good sense) one.
Why would you ask such a question?
Do you think you have defined this god thing "factually" and are now seeking to KNOW "it" in reality?
If you have, pls share your "knowledge" with the rest of us because you have acquired that which none of us has been able to.
QwarkYou said:
The abstract "concept" god, itself, is just a "fairytale" and exists only in the imaginations of the "hopeful"... until proved otherwise.
I say: So is The Big Bang Theory
Or, maybe there are just explanations YOU personally don't understand.
IT doesn't hold any weight. Because it is not what brings me to a religious forum.
Confront the irrational and unwarranted need for a belief in a god's existence. It must be addressed.
There IS NOT an actual need for a god to exist. Every single person on the planet can make their own decisions, based on free will thought, which brings choices. Everyone has choice and are aware of their own existence. They know how THEY came to be, through child birth. No god required.
Once they create their own purpose, which creates meaning for their life, then you will have a self-guided individual, who understand their own life. Purpose of life is not to be given or granted, it is to be created. You taking the steps to fulfill that purpose, brings out your meaning of life, for all to see.
But, I digress. I'm done. I have too many hubs that address all the different areas. You might be able to benefit from my latest one. It might actually be helpful, in some way.
IF This Life is all you want then fine. People accepting God every single day does not instill in you one bit that the need for God is real, inherent in each one of us? Some choose to accept it, but my guess is others too selfish of their own wants and desires, refuse it.
Child birth... what are the odds of a big bang occurring in a female and she now has the ability to give birth? What are the odds of the male having the necessary material to complete insemination? Yes its all some weird coincidence like the big bang theory that started it all.
I would have no doubt you would disagree. It's been hashed out before and you're correct, you do not need to repeat yourself.
I must say, you do have intellectual honesty. You know when futile when you see it and that's not hard to respect.
I guess that's a compliment? Thank you.
Futile? If you're referring to the topic at hand? It's not actually not futile, because it can be a learning experience for both sides. If you were referring to our past conversation about this topic, is where you are correct, you don't have to repeat yourself, with regards to me. I know your position.
But, I appreciate your awareness.
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Yes, my misunderstanding. I can even understand and agree with this.
theredpill:
How on earth did'ja get the idea that I said god and the big bang are impossible to explain?
Until this god thing can be defined in other than opinion and until the "big bang theory" can be figured out, they just exist as opinions. I didn't say they are not able to be explained.
I said that, PRESENTLY, the concept god and the theory of the "big bang" are beyond mans ability to understand.
Take a little more time in reading my comments...ok?
I'm gonna have a cuppa coffee.:
Qwark
- You've certainly got that right!
Logic drives philo (wisdom); reason are they processes within logic, the neural network.
Where Logic says, Reason "asks". That is its purpose -to transmit information within itself. Reason does not require engagement of it to understand anything.
"It is not necessary to consider a quest(ion) for knowing, nor its opposite an answer; both are interchangeable parallels within reason (the Need To Know Syndication )." ~ Quantus Philo
James.Sure.
Q & A are identical constructs.
Where = What!
What = Where?
Where is The Empire State Building
Where = The Empire State Building
??? = Answer
`tis elementary my dear Watson, (element)ary. Or is it rudimentary, I can never get those two straight. either way, it sure is lots of fun!
"Either way, how did the original something come to be!"
God struck a match and lit the fuse. That is that! The only LOGICAL explanation to creation and evolution.
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- brotheryochananposted 12 years ago0
In other words, all the answers in the universe have not been made readily available to you so you will invoke and embrace magic, myth and superstition as your answers until they have been made readily available.
Will you change your mind then or keep believing in myths?I do not believe in God through FAITH, I believe in God through LOGIC. Nothing else makes sense at this point. Even neither science nor religion can prove or disprove the existence of God the belief in him has stood the test of time. And the amount of believers is still huge. In other words if the Earth wasn't round we would know by now. get it?
Hey Dean. No offense taken. I do like that quip "mental masturbation"
says it all perfectly. How are things down south?"CheapTrick, I partly agree with your mental masturbation comparison, but we do have the inspired word of God, B.I.B.L.E. which has held for over 2000 years as truth while being opposed by many without success. "
Indeed the bible has stood for some 1700 years (not 2000) as truth by anyone that wishes to believe it regardless of what it says. On the other hand readers that question and actually read it and study it very quickly find it to be mostly nonsense and contradictions. Very little actual truth there.
Thank you.
I will post a longer one next month, when I manage to be done with forums for a few weeks. it is really a black hole of time. Like I was supposed to call two doctors...so right now. I have to stop the habit of checking responses advertised in my email
Emile:
OK,
But what's this god thing?
I don't believe I said anything about anything being "wrong?"
Right and wrong are relatives. (I don't mean "kin": )
Now, lets get back to the question.
Why would one believe in something that can only be imagined and differs in definition in as many ways as there are those who believe in it...and all those definitions exist as but opinions without any factual foundation?
What really blows my mind, is that people actually guide their lives by what they imagine to be "true!"
It's worth saying again that we humans are easiy fooled and led.
Why do you say I'm "scoffing" at learning?
My goodness, I'm, just like my ancestors, I'm asking for someone to define this abstract concept of a god thing in a form other than just opinion! "Where's the beef?"
I'm curious and want to know too.
To use the terms god and logic in the same sentence is an oxymoron i.e. "giant shrimp."
Go for it!:
Qwark
Very nice, except it insults all the other posters!
I wouldn't take it to heart. I believe the comment was offered as tongue in cheek sarcasm.
Edit: haha. I'm slow. I realize you were saying my comment was insulting. I apologize. I respect the intelligence of others, but I'm inclined to agree with qwark. Any debate on the subject is silly. It is all opinion.
If you say so James.
I would also point out that the commandments are just that. Commanded.
I saw no gods in the mirror, what exactly am I looking for there?
Actually, it wasn't just a random act of nature, that is not what evolution states.
Again, I see nothing in a snow flake or a human cell that would indicate gods were at work. And, while you say the universe is "random" it also follows laws that explain snowflakes and human cells.
From where would you get that notion?
Since you have not made any connections or provided any explanations to your conclusions of so-called proof of your god, we can assume you're speaking from a faith based position of belief and not reality.
Yes well, if the facts are all there, why haven't you presented any? Perhaps, the pretending is on your part that they are there. Usually, people don't pretend things aren't there when they obviously are.Marlansitter,
yeah I'm going to try and put all of those things together and forget man, I'm going to create Superman! Faster than a speeding bullet..........
Right on Earn!
It's called a "vestigial remnant."
In time, it will disappear.
Wouldn't it be amazing if others'd do their homework?
Qwark
PS...If they'd check, they'd find the vestigial remnant of a "tail" too. It's called a coccyx.:
Hilarious. You appear to have some completely different concept to what comprises, "looking" at something. Yes, I can look at those things and not see any indication of gods whatsoever.
Are you referring to a label stamped on them that says, "Made By God"?
You are asking questions and offering fallacious answers. Try understanding what it is you're talking about first because clearly it appears you have no clue.
Once again, your ignorance of evolution is abundantly obvious. Your example is silly and has nothing to do with evolution.
How can you change anyone's mind when you haven't a clue what you're talking about. It is ridiculous to state that one cannot see flowers in the middle of a field of flowers.
I see only nature and no gods whatsoever. Yes, you are speaking entirely from a faith based position. Our reality does not show gods. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Funny how you would say that when nothing I've said proves anything you've said. No one dictated the laws, that's just completely ridiculous.But, there aren't any labels, there is just nature and nature reveals evolution and not gods.
Yes, you are, entirely and completely.
True, but you could remain ignorant and instead use a faith based position to fabricate stories about it.
No, that wouldn't be thinking, that would be a lack of thinking.
I agree, you are providing nothing of substance whatsoever and are just stringing words together.
No, you are fabricating such things based on your religious indoctrination.
No need, your imaginative "picture" simply isn't there.
No one wrote them, they were discovered.
Like you for example? Why do you ignore reality and fabricate things that simply are not there?
Logical eh?
Apparently instead of accepting what we do know, and seeing it as progressive knowledge, it makes more logical sense to believe that an invisible entity made itself, came back as it's own son, then killed itself to correct the mistakes IT made.
Sure, that's a logical improvement on scientific method!earnsthub,
I 'think' God exists I do not 'know.' No matter how much faith anyone has no one knows for sure. As far as the bible story goes I don't really believe it, the bible was made by man. Could be just a great novel that has stood the test of time. Makes sense because there are a more plot holes than "Transformer 2". But believing that gases created planets, life evolved in essence from those gases, and we now have the brain power to question and study the origins of our own existence is sooooo logical as well. For my next trick I will be turning water into wine!
- This is my last response to this
thread" unless someone can DEFINE THIS DANGED GOD THING YA'LL ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IN A FORM OTHER THAN OPINION!
If ya can't, yer just guessing, hoping dreaming and wishin' and "it" can't considered to be anything but an imagined abstract concept which isn't worth considering.
Qwark ...
"Believer's'll have an answer for ya. Be ready for unreasoned and illogical responses by the dozen...:
Qwarkqwark admit it you can't stay away from here? This forum calls you!! Just like magic, or something else that can't be explained!!! Either that or you are starting to question your own theories, hmmm. I'm going to go with the latter especially with James in here standing his ground and making more since than I ever could. Cheers.
qwark I agree with this statement from you and I really like it:
"You and I are members of a young and immature species of life which has evolved an anomaly we call "consciousness," THAT makes us unique amongst all life."
After this last reply I can honestly say that I think that we are very similar in theory and belief with one of the biggest differences being ironically what you accused me of 'bigotry'. I challenge you to show me proof of any bigotry in any of my forum post, that includes the original question. I respect everyones opinion while also trying to get mine across. You on the other hand make cynical comments in an attempt to belittle anyone in here who has a different opinion than your own. Please challenge me to prove it, all I have to do is copy and paste any one of your replies. qwark at the end of the day all that you have shown me with this latest post is that my initial impression of you was correct. You are angry about something that happened in your life, here is where you confirm my theory:
"I'm ALWAYS questioning my theories. I'm always asking questions hoping that I'll get a logical and well reasoned response, that I can consider, that MIGHT seriously challenge my beliefs."
"But it never happens."
qwark, your anger and frustration is forcing you to turn your otherwise in my opinion, intelligent rebuttals into constant contradictions. I, like yourself am also a realist looking for answers, and yes I am young but, my mind is advanced beyond the comprehension of many people who have walked this planet longer than me. Point blank what I am saying is, this last post has shown me that your not an idiot, in fact it has shown me that we think alike. Stop being so angry with people in here (especially me) and listen. There is a strong possibility that if you stop looking at some of your questions with angry eyes, you might be able to find what your looking for. It's like when you lose your keys and get so angry about it you stop looking in rational places and start checking places that make no sense. This sets your search off course and prolongs the realization of the possibility that they are probably in your pocket.Ahhh, theredpill, my young friend, you mistake my "disgust" in mankind for anger.
I can understand that. So many do.
I doubt that you have read my "profile."
Reading it might, if you are interested, give you a better understanding of the "human creature" you are chatting with.
Anger?
Having been raised as a foster kid and having no one to advise/guide my life, I've had to do it the "hard way."
I learned many years ago, in my youth, that anger is detrimental to success in life.
I harbor no anger, it has been replaced by "disgust."
Evidently that disgust is radiated to a reader in my choice of words and the way I compose them.
Those words are offered honestly and bluntly and based soley upon that which I view as being reality and that reality has been my guide in life. It has served me well.
Yes I used the word "bigot" to describe your fervent attempts to convince others that there is a god thing to be considered i.e.
"Friendlyword wrote:
"Either way, how did the original something come to be!"
God struck a match and lit the fuse. That is that! The only LOGICAL explanation to creation and evolution.
theredpill wrote in response:
Friendlyword, what you said in your reply is basically the whole reason I started this forum. I feel the same way. It does seem like that is the only LOGICAL explanation.
I do not believe in God through FAITH, I believe in God through LOGIC. Nothing else makes sense at this point. Even neither science nor religion can prove or disprove the existence of God the belief in him has stood the test of time."
Until you can define this, incorporeal, unknowable, metaphysical "god thing," in terms other than in your highly abstract opinion, which you claim to be based on "logic," this "god thing" exists only as an abstract concept in the mind of the fool.
The intent of your "thread" question is silly.
Yes! You got this right. I can't stay away from these forum threads.
I AM ADDICTED...DAMNIT...:
QwarkLol, yes qwark it is hard for an opinionated person to resist a debate. Especially in a forum full of plenty different views to choose from. At the end of the day no matter if we get the answers we want or not, the communications, interactions, and conversations with other opinionated human beings will force us to have a reason for being. Since science was birthed by Philosophy, I think it's logical to believe that discussions like the one we're having produced the basis for the scientific theories that you and I hold in high regards right now. With that being said, who knows, maybe someone in this room may come up with a new theory that makes more sense than those we presently have. Just like our lives begin and end the same way, it seems like all questions rather scientific or otherwise, also end up right back at the beginning...Philosophy. "Ashes to ashes, dust to dust."
I believe in God but just like you I don't believe the bible stories, too many plot holes. They should have proof read the novel before they released it to the general public...oh wait they did it's called the King James Version!
Sorry, are you saying raising people from the dead is obvious to everyone and is in design with biology? Seriously?
Are you saying reality is depressing and based on that depression, it's easy and logical to believe in gods?Well, it certainly can't be verified as the bible is the only source. To refute it would be to invoke biology, which would show such an event to be entirely impossible.
Design is just another word for creationism. Of course, design is not obvious at all. If it were, you'd easily be able to verify it.
Sorry to hear that. Have you consulted with professionals on your depression? What is the cause of it?
Funny how you got that turned around the wrong way. To be intellectually honest means to think honestly, not just believe in doctrines of one particular religion.
And of course, you are entirely wrong that to dismiss your god is not to dismiss purpose, love, meaning and anything else this world has to offer. That's just plain silly.
Most likely, your depression is a result of your religious indoctrination. Free yourself from it's shackles and you'll free yourself from depression.
If one lives life as if it matters, then they are most certainly going to base that on an intellectually honest decision about the world around us and not a decision based on indoctrinated religious beliefs.That's quite the vivid imagination you have there, no one is proving your point, though.
No, YOU see design.
No, you mistakenly believe we live in a totally random universe based on your lack of knowledge of the world around us.
Yes, they did just happen, they were not designed. If you actually took the time to understand science and nature, you would understand that, too.
However, at this time, you clearly know very little if nothing about those topics, which show in spades here on these forums. You're far better off trying to argue your beliefs with a bible than you are trying to argue with science and nature.
- Twenty One Daysposted 12 years ago0
You're taking tHErEDpILL's question a step further. We are having enought problems defining his question... (smile) I understand, but we cannot possibly agree on what is logical and what is a belief. We are ALL "defining logic as 'what makes sense to me...'"
I look at the universe, I see intelligent design everywhere, and the next 'logical' step, to me, is to believe in a Force behind intelligent design. Logic to me, subjective belief to someone else. That's why we should NEVER discuss religion, science and politics...Hi Ray!
I do not want to fill the thread with too much, nor go off road, so much of what you asked/mentioned might have to be discussed at length in a different one.
But, for this topic:
The words theological and theory come from the same rootstock. I I mentioned in another thread, I can prove the god of science and religion are the same. A tiny bit of that proof is this:
"theos". Theo or theos is a Greek word meaning God or the Concept of Deities, To rise To Power, also (funny enough) to go Up In Smoke. (this reference generally means that of a fire or the ash from a volcano.). So, the two primal words used to "apply" both science and religion stem from the same thing.
Now, theological history is altogether a different thing than religion, as Torah is. It is a reference to events, leading up to the history of one particular cluster of people --the Hebrews. Yes, I have said this a thousand times, g/Gods do not exist. But g/Gods are not the same as Creator. G/gods stem from the Need To Know, the consciousness, the mind of humans. Take your pick on the thousands of applications of it. Ironically, the historical record points directly to this problem, exemplified by humanity (adam) indulging his consciousness -his Self, "the Knowledge of". In short, he plunged headlong into his own brain. Knowledge, as we are aware, is thinking, reason. Logic exceeds the scope and parameters of reason. Why? As said before, "It is not necessary...(to consider a question nor an answer. Both are relative parallels within the Need To Know Syndication).
Logic has no necessity. Logic is understood. Logic's root is Philos, Wisdom. Again, ironically the historical documents "testify" to this a hundred thousand times.
Now, I cannot indulge your request for the full how to restore the connection here, because at the moment, it is 492.5 pages long. and growing.
Yes, as we agree there is no need to believe because a need lacks logic and rational faith. Any necessity does.
3,000 --even 5,000 years ago, life was much different, simpler. Longevity well, longer; population more connected, united than today. I am inclined to believe they were well aware (conscious) to a much greater capacity the dysfunction of their indulgence ( reason, thinking, bombardment of light frequencies in their heads ) which by all terms was a form of madness. What better way to temper that madness than to theorize and design fantastic concepts, design machines, wonder at the stars, build temples, cities and more. anything to distract them from the reality of their own demise. As said before, science and religion were fashioned to temper the senses, temper the reasoning of man --by man.
James.Yes thanks James, a nice run-down.
And anyone who is being honest with themselves to begin with will automatically learn that all questions have answers. You will also learn that not all questions need be answered.
Not to mention, you will also learn that the answer to some questions, is that the questions does not need to be answered.
And, the theist response about an invisible super being waving his magic hand isn't absurd when compared to the theories that support the hard evidence?
Beelzedad ,
One could argue that either one of the theories is absurd, depending on the person. What can not be argued is the fact that neither of the answers is definitive. The scientific explanation just seems more plausible based on our history and relationship to science as human beings. AT the end of the day they are both "theories." Until we know the answer for sure I don't think it's illogical at all to believe either, but if asked to pick one I would go with God> Here is why:
If I am going to go with a theory that takes gases that appeared out of thin air and somehow evolved them into the species that we are today. I'm a going to go with the slightly more supernatural theory over the unexplainable scientific one.Religion is not a theory. It has nothing to do with theory!
Theories have scientific methods applied to them to ensure they hold up against all the other theories across all the sciences.
Religion is a belief that a myth is truth with NO supportive evidence.
The "evidence" offered for religion is offered by the religious tome itself.
God is true because the god book says so is a long way from theory!
No scientific methods is involved in believing that the three bears or the invisible super fairy dunnit, and should form the basis of a life plan!
Mindless contradictory dribble is not theory.It would appear that mrpopo and Earnest here have already explained to you the concept of a theory, so I don't need to go there.
In other words, what you're saying is that you have no understanding of the scientific explanations whatsoever, which is quite evident in your posts, hence you will embrace the magical explanation that has been solidified by indoctrination.
Yeah, I get that.YouI don't get anything I said, it appears that it has gone over your head sir. Your intelligence is being clouded by your bias of religious belief. In other words you are saying that YOU have no understanding of the scientific explanation whatsoever. Do me one favor please I beg you. Without changing the subject or double talking your response, give me a simple YES or NO answer to this question:
Is a scientific explanation a unquestionable, definitive, final answer to a theory?
There is a unquestionable, definitive, final answer to the question I just asked, that I assure you, and if you answer it wrong, you will be exposed as a person who simply has a "beef" with religion and attempts to say what he can to conform those who are weak minded to agree with you. Batter up Beelzdad, I just put you on center stage.
So you came up with the god concept yourself?
All decided to go to bed on this one?
Maybe a nap. This discussion will never be closed until we find out the truth. Until then there will always be new discoveries that will question everyones beliefs. It will never end!!!!
Sorry...touch of gas. Here is an idea. Let's remove the Mar-1 gene and see what we get. There's no science like MAD science!
I disagree. The textual representation of faith states it os this:
The stuff we hope to see and the proof of hat seeing.
Simply said it is seeing it before it happens -like a vision and then manifesting the vision exactly as it was envisioned. No aloofness, blindness included. In fact, through the entire text, nearly 10,000 times, faith is described as rational, not pseudo.
James.Certainly.
Again, precognition is NOT a mystical origin, but is an energy or information transfer. It is often expressed (action of cognition) using senses currently not recognizable or known immediately to the individual. Any dream, vision, idea -any thought really- is "precog". It is then expressed by words, physical action.
In the case of rational faith, the cognition continues, unaltered, unchanged until the exact vision is manifest.
James.
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In what universe?
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