What would a truly omnipotent omnipresent omniscient god be like?

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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
After all the claims made by biblical religionists that the biblical god is all of the above, none of this god's actions seems to fit these lofty roles.

For example, the biblical god has to be worshiped, which hardly seems to be an omni-anything trait and not worthy of any leader of men.
I decided a may try to write a hub that illuminates these very super-human abilities.
I need some help from the creative minds here in seeing what actions such a powerful entity would or would not do, how it would work and where this would lead. Any ideas welcome.
Thank you.
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  canadawest99posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How many people in the world own a microbe farm cause thats how far apart we are from a all powerful creator. Even we humans have sense enough to seek companionship with near equal species (dogs, cats). So why would a god make something dear to him so far beneath him. Doesn't make sense.
  
  Now lots of people experiment with microbes so maybe thats what we are to the creator. Some kick in the universal sand while he went on his way and never came back to check.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  size has nothing to do with it. Do we have to be 600 feet tall for God to think anything of us? Does our planet have to be the biggest in the cosmos? This size equals importance is a human idea. Humans think that bigger is better and size is important. The man with the biggest gun doesn't always win.
  Our size and our planets size is perfect for God to do his work
  hanging out has an excellent hub on this topic
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You need to read that thread again.
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  Baileybearposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  promoting hanging out again - because you are hanging out
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You know the Gnostics believe humans are divine, and that God very much lives among us and around us everyday. They have a Zeus like perception of God, while their perception of humans is closely related to the role of a Demigod. I personally like this way of thinking. It addresses the issues with the God idea that you bring up here. Well I should say it does for me.
  
  Hey Earnst, I love this question. I think it is probably the best religious forum question to breech the HubPages mainframe in a long, long, long while. Really great question!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks IE, a know a little about the "knowers". Their beliefs terrified the catholics apparently who rounded them up and burnt them.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Who didn't the Catholics torch? They must have love marshmellows! HA That puts a whole new meaning on "campfires."
  
  I'm curious as to what your opinion of a truly omnipotent God would be like. I'm running to fan- can't miss this one. As you know, I'm pretty harsh about a few things- especially when us religious folk are ignorant to our own religion....., that gets my goat everytime- but I think soooooooo much can be learned from opposing views and alternative views. I think it truly is the only way to bridge the gap of arrogance and misunderstanding, shared by every group when there is a lost of knowledge and understanding. So I'm pretty curious to read what you have to write.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks.
  
  I am wondering what everybody else's opinion is on this, especially those who understand the breadth of the problems. It is already fun, and I have only finished one text capsule.
  
  I am happy to take on any views that can stay within the parameters, or educate the discussion.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would say your title is somewhat self explanatory. He could do whatever, whenever and however he chose. I suppose if he wanted to be in charge of things, he'd send just the right amount of rain on every square inch of arable soil so we could grow enough food to feed the world. He'd make all disease disappear. He'd be able to tap you on the shoulder and comment when you were less than up to par morally. He'd probably get to throw the first pitch at the world series, I would think. And, I suppose he could travel through time and rewrite history every time anyone decided they didn't think how it went down was fair, or wanted historical evidence that they had been persecuted, too. So much power. So little space to point out the possibilities.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks JC, I agree, omni sorta means ALL powerful rather than a little bit powerful sometimes.
  Nice input.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes but.
  We forget that humankind started out that way. In a garden, lovely and lush without disease, sickness or any of the sins that depricate society. Then adam and eve started to do their own thing and God had to kick them out of the garden (the reason why is irrelevant here this is a summary, so try to dis this using some other ammo) Then while adam and eve had babies their babies had babies who had babies and so on throughout the history of the earth until here we are, outside the garden, living in a world we created because God will not force us to follow him. Hanging out has a wonderful hub on the atheist says show yourself God. God living among us will not make us any happier unless he becomes our slave to our every whim. This is not love. Love is the epitome of all that God is. Now before you say, yah but he lets people die without knowing him so they can be saved. I have to say, does he really... If he knows each heart, he can approach each person as they need to be approached and perhaps some he will see hardened hearts that will simply not believe. We cannot judge what God should do we can only believe what He has done without criticism.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No. We don't have to 'believe' anything. And as long as you fantasize and attempt to convince others that your fantasy is bigger and badder than the next guy's you will create problems. Your concept of god is appalling to me. The concept wasn't meant to be that way, but you don't seem to care.
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  Baileybearposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm a much better parent than god was. My son makes mistakes & I don't torture him for eternity
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i thought you learned there is not torture for eternity.
  If new truths do not replace old wrong teachings you will never get beyond the place you are at. The reason you are so bitter is because you say you don't believe but then you post something like the above which is really a belief in the catholic teaching of hell. IF hell doesn't exist to you and there is no torture for eternity then embrace God and let him finish writing the book of your life. Some where down the road he will teach you truths because you very much know both what not to do and what not to believe in. And when God shows you there is no hell and torture forever you will be ever so happier.
  But to purport things that you don't believe in by stating the thing you don't believe shows you believe in it to the point of belief that it has stopped you in your tracks.
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is making a statement! very very funny!
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  All-Praise belongs to the the Creator-God Allah YHWH; so He would do what does not have a blemish on His attributes.
  
  [1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
  [1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … r.php?ch=1
  
  [2:270] He grants wisdom to whom He pleases, and whoever is granted wisdom has indeed been granted abundant good; and none would be reminded except those endowed with understanding.
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=269
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The saying god works in mysterious ways is true, as humans are minds are to puny to understand such a supreme intelligence and its ways.
  Simple example we look ate death as something bad , its nothing for god a timeless being, with no beginning and no end.Man doesnt understand death something which happens to everyone.
  A intelligence which can make our planet spin and rotate with such accuracy is beyond the grasp of the human intellect . This is just a tiny part of this cosmos ,controlling this entire cosmos , creating , destroying etc such a supreme entity is beyond human comprehension.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't find it beyond comprehension, I find it well beyond belief though!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  These guys are so funny. On the one hand they say humans are too puny to understand - then in the next breath they try and explain it to you. Because they understand.
  
  And they don't see how funny this is.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do!
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  because you asked.
  We cannot comprehend all about God but if you were to ask an gemologist about a diamond he would be best suited to give you an answer. Since there is so much to God and much false teachings about God i would say you get the best of everyones understanding. I truly admire people who believe there was a snake in the garden possessed by satan and they go on loving God.
  Having all the answers is not a qualification for being a good christian.
  We dont all study the same scriptures of the bible at the same time and do not have the same knowledge. Its like a puzzle that one person works on the upper left corner and another on the lower right corner.. someone is putting the edges together..... but in each life it is their own personal walk with jesus christ and should most importantly be satisfying to themselves.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Since you seek to know these types of answers and are unqualified to know them yourselves i suggest you leave off with questions like this. Each person has tried to answer your question as honestly as they can if you cannot respect that then you cannot respect yourselves and your lack of respect leaves others not respecting you. Your loftiness is cast down by the actions of your own hubriety.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, is this to be taken as an open apology? Since you are responding to yourself? Consider it forgotten, if you follow this apology up with changed behavior.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  apology????????????? lol
  
  my my, how you read into things explains a lot
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oddly, since you posted a reply to yourself it only appeared logical to assume you were addressing yourself. If you were speaking to another why wouldn't you post a reply to them? You must have accidentally hit the wrong reply to button.
  
  But thank you for clearing up a miscommunication caused by your mistake. This alternative answer seems more in line with reality.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  your interpretation has lead you to another wrong conclusion. I did not hit the button by mistake, i was elaborating on the comment i made previously and i was aiming that post at no particular person.
  
  no mistake
  no apology
  have a nice day
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  man doesn't even know how many species exist o this planet, our intelligence is very, very limited .
  
  Well its beyond my comprehension, to start with I dont know how many planets are there forget putting them together with such precision.
  
  "Mind blowing are the sounds, the colors you create,
  An artist can only try to imitate."
  
  "If you can see the miracle in juts one flower your life will change drastically " Buddha
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Religion is nonsense!
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And what I wrote ? is it also nonsense?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mohit, read what Paraglider has said above and you will see that things can be understood by man, where it gets tricky is when myth is introduced as truth.
  
  There is not a chance in hell that the biblical psychopath is a god.
  The meaning of the words are lost on religionists who cannot, or choose not to understand what they mean. There is nothing all knowing or always present about the biblical god or the god of the quoran. The text in both contradicts the possibility.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You mean below? Paraglider is a very intelligent human and so are you as well as Mark. But you guys are trying to answer a question which relates to the whole of this cosmos and can only be really understood by the experience called enlightenment.
  
  Its like you say you had an outer body experience , I believe you but dont you think there will be many who will say all crap, nonsense, not possible, not scientific? the experience of god is similar a very personal experience.The same way you can share your experience with me only by words I can do the same, i cannot give you tangible proof.
  
  Paraglider is calling god the cosmos something I do all the time.There is no difference .
  
  Also its common knowledge that these books have been re written over time with the only aim of propagating their own prophet.. God does not need to threaten you Jesus said "I tell you ye are all gods" this essence of the light which permeates everything permeates you as well, omnipresent.
  
  How can your essence threaten you? God is your source your very being is the message of the prophets, he is not someone or something you have no connection to.
  
  I was also an atheist an hated being threatened of consequences if I dont belive in Jesus or whatever. This teaching is wrong.
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  Baileybearposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  will be curious to see what hub you come up with.
  If god was all-knowing, then why create satan, hell, (which some don't believe in anymore), for a first mistake in the garden, for curses like sicknesses, for a human sacrifice to attempt to make it all right?
  A god that has an ego so big that needs ego stoked reminds me of hitler
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with all of this. Omnipotent? I don't think so!
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  so then how do prophecies occur? the telling of future events. Did you know the prophet isaiah mentions cyrus as a ruler who lets israel rebuild the temple, 150yrs before cyrus was even born? To deny the powerful supernaturality of the bible is just to turn a blind eye. Omnipotent.. i think so!
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  Baileybearposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  so where is the prophesy of Enoch mentioned in Jude 1:14?
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  kirstenblogposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  May hap She would set into motion a string of events that would allow for creatures to develop and evolve physically and spiritually, be sure to make this a really really really long process because eternity is way longer then that by far! Take a nap, and wake up to see if any equals have evolved yet to go play cosmic golf with. If an unknown element is required to make all this actually stimulating then being totally hands off and making room for error and instead making lots of planets capable of life to see which one actually makes it would be method of operation
  
  It must be soooo boring, being the only immortal beingwith a large intellect and what not
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ahhh the string of motion.
  We think of time and life as being linear.
  The hebrew did not think that way, they were in tune with nature that moves in cycles. Is it a surprise that the bible ends the same way as it started? With man living on earth in a paradise situation.
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Build-a-god? When you stop wasting your time on what man says of god, and what the truth really is, then give me a call. I got some leggos we could use.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  OK, I'll call on you and the leggo if I need more help. Be hard to mess up more than the previous efforts I've seen.
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  yolanda yvetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He would be Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent. Plain and simple.
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Spittin' image.
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  If it is so Plain and Simple, then why don't you explain how somehting can be all of those things, yet contradicts all of these traits? Just read your bible. The God of the bible is not omnipotent, omniscient or omnipresent, but merely a poorly human concoction of a superspoiled brat.
  
  How can one be omniscient and omnipotent, yet be jealous? Please tell me what He would be jealous of, since nothing comes close to his abilities?
  
  How can one be omniscient, yet give man free will, then become angry about the outcome, as if not KNOWING at all what the outcome would be? It's dumbfounding!
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  actually, it's a surprise party. You're just a bah humbug kinda guy, aren't you? You're gonna spoil the darn surprise!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Show me how they apply to your god.
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  galleryofgraceposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Look in the mirror. I have to go by what I saw during an NDE, no one can change my mind.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Pardon? Near death experience eh? So what did you see?
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  galleryofgraceposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A man in an startling white robe but a face I could not discern. It was a human body form. He did not speak I knew what was being said mentally.NDE was documented years ago by a world famous researcher, Atwater.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I have read this along with the scientific information that debunks it.
  I can speak from personal experience when it comes to NDE, but mine is just one experience, and I would not consider that evidence of anything other than the chemical response to loss of brain oxygen.
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The presence of an intelligent something was revealed to me. No joke. Not NDE. Whatever it was, had to know what I was THINKING. It was meant specifically for me. Not a UFO either. No explanation possible. And no, I won't go into it, simply because you would have to take my word for it, and it would do nothing to convince anyone else.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your NDE had to know what you were thinking? Let me get this straight, an experience you had, within your mind was definately real because the experience, within your mind, knew what you were thinking?
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Read it again dip. Said it was NOT an NDE. I was awake, walkin' down the street, mindin' my own business, when a series of events caused me to look up at the sky. I saw something there, and my life hasn't been the same since. This happened in nineteen eighty (1980)
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Thanks canadawest that is a nice contribution, which I will include with acknowledgment if I write the hub.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  make sure you include all the replies you agree with and keep an open mind. I'd hate to have to read another hub that is one sided and full of biblical misrepresentations.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Anyone else care to contribute?
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  recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would make that god just like me in every way, vicious, morally retarded, sexist, and you would have to kneel down to me regularly or I would rain on your birthday - and a little smelly in hot weather.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I dunno what I can do with that other than enjoy it.
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Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago
Earnest, this is a tough one, given the nature and saturation of general theology. But my take would be this:

a truly omnipotent omnipresent omniscient being would be everything the universe is, all inclusive. So, the objects within the universe would be expressions of that. Take light for example, it is highly omnipresent, also omnipotent and certainly omniscient, as it is information and carries information "to and fro" from one star to the next. The items between are effects or reflections of those character properties.

Of course, you know, my take on the ideology of gods and how, even though they are subjective humanism, are still bits of said reflections.

...a tough hub to write, my friend, a tough hub indeed.

James.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It does look tough, which is why I thought to get some assistance.
  It would certainly not be limited to the surly, even psychotic responses in the OT.
  
  Thank you for the input, as I said I will include useful responses and credit them accordingly.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Earnest.
  
  On a side bar: one of the toughies in explaining such an entity would be to do so without the assistance of any text or preconceived notions --apart from pure thought. I would definitely be a subscriber to that hub.
  
  James.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I had intended to develop this god by rolling out the meanings of the omni's in relation to actions and structures that would ensue.
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wildernessposted 13 years ago
In a word, bored. Life if full of challenges of many types; it is often what makes life worth living. An omnipotent God can have no challenges as everything is possible to him. Personally, I love learning, but even that is denied to a creature that is everywhere, knows everything and can do anything.

An omniscient god can never be surprised and can never look forward to something as it has "already" happened in his memory. Anticipation is a meaningless word to him.

Massive boredom. Likely he will sit and contemplate his navel for eternity. There is nothing else of interest, not even the antics of the sub-god creatures he created knowing full well everything they would ever do.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you wilderness, an intelligent take on what it would be like for the god itself.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  challenges are not important to God. He started out giving us all and we lost it. So now he spends all his time bringing us back to him. He doesnt want a challenge he wants results without twisting peoples arms or smacking their knuckles every time they sinned. Love is what God wants and what is happening on this planet brings love to God.. i love God and so do many others. Love breeds relationship. How can we love if we are under law?
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Disappearingheadposted 13 years ago
We've already got one Ernest.

Omniscient and omnipresent aren't traits of God that people generally argue about. They seem to be givens that all seem to accept as valid concepts for God.

From what I can tell from forumland, what appears to cause the most controversy is the omnipotent aspect. How does the world reconcile this with free will and choice; the screwed up nature of the world with all the suffering, despotic tyrants, natural disasters and car crash American TV?

Here's my view, take what you want, and throw the rest. God always wanted a partnership with man to transform His world. Adam is a gardener, later on thrown out of the family home to work the soil, and his descendants told to spread across the Earth. God wants to share his creation with man by sending him to populate the uninhabited places. God gives man the choice to follow or not to follow. Loves it when they do, is sad when they don't. Whatever man does in this world, man has to carry the responsibility of. God appears to normally have a non-interventionist policy, choosing to work through individuals in partnership when wanting to effect change.

God could just by some means forcibly make man do His bidding, but where's the fun in that? he'd rather have willing children than children under compulsion. His relationship with man is as a Father to child. I don't know if you have kids, but if you do, think of your relationship with them, your desires for them to live good upright successful independent lives, and then you'll see what God wants. Unfortunately Church is like the nanny state that tries to control your kids and tell you how to bring them up.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No. Nonsensical drivel like this is what causes the "controversy."
  
  I prefer the word "conflict," myself.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do have kids and grandkids, six of them in fact, but I don't treat them like this supposedly omnipotent god does. I have a much more sophisticated way of dealing with them. I love them without conditions, never threaten them or try to make them like me. Nothing omnipotent about getting followers with threats of damnation.
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  Disappearingheadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Who said anything about damnation? oh yes the Church. I don't actually believe it myself.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  he will be treating his grandteens much differently
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If that was aimed at me, I have two teenage girls and a 21 year old son, and two older children.
  They have all been treated the same, and are fun loving beautiful kids.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Havent you warned you kids say for example - "dont play with fire or you will get burned "
  
  Here we are talking spirituality- regarding the spirit ,the words may have a lot of depth and taking it literally is wrong and will mislead you as its doing so now.
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  This dimension we are in is hell, this is damnation .
  There is anothe dimension of the Light, you are this Light, its absolute bliss this dimension and when you dont have any more desires you will go back home to this light or god.
  
  Earnesthub do understand many prophets like Jesus said " I tell ye you are all gods"
  If you are god then how can you threaten yourself.
  
  You put of an outer body experience by justifying to yourself that science says because it was lack of oxygen, are you truly satisfied with this answer? was your experience not real?
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Paragliderposted 13 years ago
Omnipresence, ostensibly the simplest of the three 'omni' concepts, actually presents the greatest difficulty.
For something to be omnipresent, it isn't enough for it just to be hanging around near that stapler on my desk. It has to pervade every molecule, atom and subatomic particle of the stapler. However closely you look, any observable space between 'it' and anything else is a negation of omnipresence. Therefore God can't simply see my stapler. He has to be the very essence of the stapler.
The stapler, of course, is not unique. The argument extends to the whole Cosmos.
The problem then arises that God is indistinguishable from the Cosmos. At this point, the need for the God concept disappears. It is sufficient to say that we have the Cosmos.
All questions about the nature of God are logically questions about the nature of the Cosmos. And throughout history, the questions that have yielded fruit have been the ones based on observations or attempting to explain the observable. Such questions evolved into scientific inquiry.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for the input, very good!
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The problem then arises that God is indistinguishable from the Cosmo.
  Not really a problem call it god, call it the cosmos ,same thing.
  God is the cosmos, the cosmos is god.
  
  The basic fabric of this universe is a very fine light, love tissue, with supreme intelligence what is called god.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wow - And there you were saying it is beyond human comprehension because our minds are so puny.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hahahaha missed our sense of humor, you are too much
  
  Yes and I gave you example ,we as humans dont know how many species exist on this planet we have been inhabiting for so long.
  We have absolute no idea how many stars or planets exist in this cosmos, out intelligence is puny , compared to the intelligence of the cosmos.
  
  When you are trying to rationalize with your mind it is beyond, only the experience can reveal this knowledge to you.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are the one rationalizing nonsense Mohit. I am not claiming an understanding and making statements about things we cannot and do not know - you are. You are the one telling me you know something I do not - and you are full of it.
  
  LOLOLOL That you think your understanding is better than mine. This would be why belief in a god always causes conflicts. Always.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I am a knower of god, or Brahmin,-knower of Brahma and enlightened one cant help it.
  
  If my understanding was not good I wouldn't e a poet whos books is ranked 1 till date in Inspirational and Religious poetry- common sense.
  
  You will not be able to put down your knowledge on paper and get ranked 1 in religious poetry and you know it or for that matter highly in spirituality or religious philosophy
  
  Infact if all you atheist on hubpages get together you all still wont be able to put a book and get ranked higher simply because all of you put together lack the knowledge required.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nooooooooooooooooooooo! Not with the I know and you don't cos I'm a poet thing again.
  
  Get some real self worth, and you won't need to make these ridiculous statements that say "I'm better and smarter than everyone else." It smacks of an inferiority complex.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You atheists have this complex.
  
  Its the truth you dont have the knowledge.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No. it is your opinion that I don't have the knowledge, and what your opinion of me is........... none of my business.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Isnt it the truth, why else wold you be an atheist?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're showing your lack of knowledge and understanding. Oops!
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry but all atheists lack god knowledge and thats the reason they are atheists.
  
  I dont think you are looking for an answer earnesthub.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  First off, I am not Earnest.
  
  Secondly, god knowledge? You're too funny.
  
  Thirdly, Earnest isn't an Atheist.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Was replying to both.
  
  Atheist Oxford Dictionary
  http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entr … _gb0977070
  a person who does not believe in the existence of God or gods:
  
  In India the term is Brahmin- for a knower of Brahma, one who has gone into a state of samadhi , enlightenment , satori, fanaa etc
  examples Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Guru Nanak etc
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Using logic and critical thinking skills could lead one to being an atheist.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes nothing wrong in that then again the human belong to various categories of consciousness levels, the higher your consciousness the more you will become aware of god using logic.
  
  Example a believer will say look at all this around you, there has to be a superior intelligent life- logical thinking for him- similar to the thinking of a great scientist like Einstein.
  
  The atheist- its just came into being- logical for him
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong again Mohit. You do not have a higher level of consciousness than I do. Odd you don't understand that making claims of superiority like this is where all the conflicts arise. Therefor you are not very enlightened - are you?
  
  Logically speaking.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Same old stuff. Others could be as enlightened as you are if they just believe what you do.
  Same old religious "I'm better cos I have a god" deal eh?
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is nonsense, levels of consciousness are about responding to external stimuli from our environment or could be altered as a result of a chemical imbalance.
  
  What are you talking about?
  
  That is a result of religious indoctrination and shows sheer ignorance about the world around us.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry Mark but its life, the atheist feels he i smarter than the believer and the believer knows he is smarter
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do not think I am smarter than you. What makes you think I think that?
  
  You are the one claiming to know something that I cannot understand. Hence the conflicts.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No ones forcing you to believe. earnesthub , just trying to have an intelligent debate. Showing you two sides of a coin, both exist.
  
  Both believe they are right and are being logical.
  
  Earnesthub I am talking about spiritual enlightenment , if you are enlightened you cannot be an atheist.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Beelzledad I am talking spirituality, knowledge of the spirit.
  Beyond the grasp of science as yet.
  
  The ancient text the Holy Vedas which means science is poetry written by the sages, they claim that there are roughly 9 lakh species out of which there are some 3,000 human species depending on their consciousness levels.
  
  This is what I mean you guys are ignorant of these spiritual truths which exist and man has been talking about it for eons.
  
  I was an atheist , a science graduate who gained enlightenment, no religious indoctrination for me.My father is Hindu and Mom Parsee
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, you are talking religious fantasies brought on from indoctrination, beyond the grasp of reality.
  
  Yes, pure superstitious nonsense in the light of reality.
  
  That's nice. Please feel free to talk about that which men talked about eons ago. Of course, men talked about many other things as well, like how the wind was created from a god sleeping in a cave far to the north, or how gods were showing their anger when lightning and thunder appeared.
  
  Do you still believe and talk about those superstitions, as well?
  
  I seriously doubt that, especially from observing some of the the other things you have posted here.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Mark I do say I have gained knowledge of the spirit, I say the Light exists ,
  it permeates all things, have written a book on God.
  You are this Light or God.
  Then again the only way to understand me properly is by getting enlightened yourself.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah - I know. It is nonsense.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hahahahahah
  
  "Day to dawn makes no sense,
  What does we call nonsense."
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you are going to use prose, please don't murder the language in doing so. It looks like your dog wrote it.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I repeat I was an atheist beezledad, so there is no indoctrination involved.
  
  You will understand me with time.
  
  The light has been called God b all religions.Try to understand what man meant by the Light or God.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now lets look at one of the greatest scientific minds and his logic-
  Albert Einstein
  
  All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree.
  
  God does not play dice.
  
  He who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed.
  I want to know all Gods thoughts; all the rest are just details.
  
  My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wonder what the fascination is with believers and Einstein? They don't discuss relativity or the photoelectric effect, which won Einstein the Nobel Prize in Physics.
  
  They always seem to only bring up comments he made to others or to the media, and do little more than misunderstand the comments and somehow manage to pigeon hole them into their belief systems. Hilarious.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I understand you fine right now, thanks.
  
  Yes, I do understand what is meant by light and god, thanks.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Great ,so its not nonsense
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So do you believe Einstein logic of there being a superior intelligence is nonsense? Do you find his logic hilarious?
  
  Some atheists like to quote science for asserting their claims so I am showing you that the greatest of scientists believed in a higher intelligence by observation he came to this conclusion, very logical for him.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mohit, you should read more about Albert, he is not and never was a religionist, but he was hunted by religious fanatics trying to find something that he said that "sounded religious" and then often distorted it.
  The same has happened to many great scientists, some afraid for their lives from the religiously insane.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I find believers who are misinformed about Einstein hilarious.
  
  No, you aren't, you're showing just how misinformed you are about Einstein.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Einstein believed in a higher intelligence,he was being logical.
  Is he logical or is he talking nonsense Earnesthub?
  He was a great scientist intelligent and honest enough to say his intelligence was very limited but some of you atheists believe you are better scientists ,more knowledgeable ha.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Quote einstein saying he believed in a god. All the quotes I have seen seem to be him mocking christianity and the bible as childish.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Hippy, most people fail to realize that Einstein was actually a very humble person. He didn't even consider himself intelligent. It is everyone else who considered him extremely intelligent and use his own words to perpetuate the "god" concept.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Like they say, true knowledge is knowing you know nothing at all.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would disagree. Knowledge is nothing more than the collective of what you've learned and experience. The wisdom is the discerned truth of knowledge. Understanding the truth that you know more than you realize is better than falsely deceiving yourself that you know nothing at all.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, he didn't believe in a higher intelligence, that is a lie.
  
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Beelzledad I just put a few of his quotes, there is not misinformation but facts and he hated it when atheists would twist his words to suit their needs and say he didn't believe in a superior intelligence, creator of these laws.
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  superwagsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
  
  Albert Einstein (1954)
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now, you are fabricating lies. Terrible behavior for a so-called "enlightened" believer.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus was a hippy- go up a few posts you will see some of his quotes I posted.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you know what a Pantheist is?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do not believe in a PERSONAL GOD.
  
  I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein) He believed in a higher intelligence that has created this universe .
  
  My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
  
  "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
  
  "I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."
  
  can give you many more:)
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you care if a famous guy believed in a god or not?
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  superwagsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think Einstein had a religious bone in his body - I'd have described him as irreligious - he just didn't care one way or another.
  
  It's also worth bearing in mind that Einsten was born in 1879 and lived through the first part of the 20th century where the default view of even scientists was of religiousity. It's easy to be revisionist now.
  
  Einstein voiced regret about having used "god" to describe unknowables as it was used as a religious stick with which to beat him later from both sides. I read a piece where Steven Hawking voiced a similar regret after his famous "mind of god" line in Brief History of Time.
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Like this one:
  
  "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus was a hippy- I am trying to show some atheist that some of the greatest of scientists logical conclusion was that there has to be a superior intelligence -god, this cosmos and planet is to intelligent to have come about by accident or chance.
  so he also quoted " God does not play dice "
  
  Also please stop quoting science for anything and everything since none of you are scientists of his caliber.
  
  Science today is spending billions in order to find the building blocks of this universe, we as humans dont even know what we and this universe are made of .
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, what you are showing is that you have absolutely no understanding of that quote or any others you present of Einstein.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  superwags- please read some of his quotes i posted above.
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  superwagsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think Einstein had a religious bone in his body - I'd have described him as irreligious - he just didn't care one way or another.
  
  It's also worth bearing in mind that Einsten was born in 1879 and lived through the first part of the 20th century where the default view of even scientists was of religiousity. It's easy to be revisionist now.
  
  Einstein voiced regret about having used "god" to describe unknowables as it was used as a religious stick with which to beat him later from both sides. I read a piece where Steven Hawking voiced a similar regret after his famous "mind of god" line in Brief History of Time.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  getitrite- lets leave the Bible aside for now.
  
  Einstein , "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So the cosmos brought slaves out of egypt. And the cosmos sacrificed a son on a cross? and the cosmos created the book of revelation.
  I guess i dont need to say i don't buy this idea.
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wormdoposted 13 years ago
I think he would potter about happily watching us like Sims until one of us asked "Could God make a rock so heavy he himself could not lift it?" and then he would say "Well gee, I don't know" (which would be quite interesting in itself as he knows everything) and spend the rest of eternity making heavy rocks.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have heard the rock idea before, but this is a different take on it.
  I have to ask. What type of bird is that on your profile?
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  there is always a scenario that can be invented to dispute every situation.
  Can he run so fast that he can outrun himself
  can he make water, wetter than it is already.
  
  These are stupid questions to ask.
  Lets say the queen of england has total power over england is there anything that she can't do. Yep. raise taxes to 200%, tell the army to kill everyone who wears glasses.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your drivel is becoming almost unintelligible cousin - probably time for bed. Still - better than having a drink huh?
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  dingdondingdonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well actually, if the Queen had total power she could tell the army to do that.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes but what are the ramifications if she does? Therefore i submitted that in light of reason conclusions should come to the assessment that she wouldn't.
  
  Mark... maybe you should have another drink
  btw... i haven't drank alcohol since my college days and for the record i have not the slightest inclination for alcoholic beverages.
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BobbiRantposted 13 years ago
I think it is haughty and way too lofty of humans to try and out guess any god. But then, humans like to 'play' God enough here on earth. People will believe as they choose. With the world systems in the mess they are in I can see people thinking that a Creator, if there is one, has abandoned humans. But then 'humans' created This present, failing system, not a god. If one Does believe the Bible then the saying 'the love of the greater number will cool off' is absolutely true. Not love of a god, but love for our fellow humans which is just how people act today. No regard for anyone but themselves. So a hub on this would be a human 'guess' at best.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would have thought the argument for an omnipotent god is all done. Nothing omnipotent about the biblical god.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  omnipotent.. having infinte power.
  if you are going to discuss bible topics you have to use the bible. I can't refute mathematics with geometry. Using the bible can you refute omnipotency? no.
  end of negative hub.
  so you're right the argument for an omnipotent God is all done.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
That is funny Mohit, I was a religionist who decided it was all a pile of rhubarb after studying it.
If you read what Paraglider said, you will see he is not in agreement with you.

I quote.
"At this point, the need for the God concept disappears. It is sufficient to say that we have the Cosmos."
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can keep reading all your life but will not understand god or and spiritual books unless you gain enlightenment.
  
  Paraglider is saying its the cosmos which is ominpresent and i am saying yes he is right , but there is really no difference between the cosmos or god.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is silly Mohit. You know my background, we have had this discussion before.
  What was different about my "enlightenment" to yours? I was a full blown born again like you are.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you are enlightenment how can you say the Light doesnt exist and is not omnipresent ?
  Enlightenment is the experience where you understand you are the Light.
  
  I have seen the light emanating from all objects many times.
  
  Born again is to die become the Light or god, the source and come back to this human existence.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't say I was enlightened, I indicated that I believed that I was, a very different kettle of fish!
  I am a lot more enlightened these days.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i don't see enlightenment. i see you bullying your way to a hub designed to purport your already preconceived notions of a nonexistent God.
  enlightenment: to give intellectual or spiritual light to.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Funny you should say that, the man who thinks his god is responsible for the demise of Japan with his control of the elements. Now that is NOT enlightenment!
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  too bad you didn't come back here and correct this statement of yours so i will have to do it.
  
  NO i don't think God is responsible for japans trouble.
  God does however believe in SOLAR power
  Do i need to repeat myself on this?
  i hope not.
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "God does however believe in SOLAR power smile"
  
  Youdont need to repeat yourself but please do elaborate.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  the sun
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Who you are is here for all to see, and your constant bleating even to yourself when you can't get an audience makes your guilty conscience obvious.
  
  I may be blunt at times, but sadly you have gotten yourself all frantic trying to wiggle out from your statement that god controls the elements and it is showing all over the thread.
  
  You must be seething by now. Did you get any sleep,
  
  Now waddle off if you have nothing amusing or informative to add to the clearly intentioned thread.
  
  Want me to put what you said about your god controlling the elements up again?
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  However you want to interpret what is say is as always out in left field.
  God does control elements but i did not connect this to the japan incident, you did, another inference by you.
  The japan incident is what ever it is. I do not have direct revelation from God to be able to say, yep god dunnit, therefore i do not say that God dunnit. Obviously man built the reactor, obviously a tsunami hit it, but i do and have never stated that God pushed the waves.
  As for seething... lol.. as if.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your latest excuse is?
  
  "God does control elements but i did not connect this to the japan incident, you did, another inference by you."
  
  Your words as above I believe.
  
  I would like to know how you disconnect your god's control of the elements when it suits your argument?
  Does he or doesn't he control the elements?
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  does he or doesn't he control the elements?
  sometimes he does and sometimes he doesn't.
  Youll have to reread your bible again, earnest, this is christianity 101.
  My original statement stands, i do not connect the two events.
  
  If people die at the foot of a volcano because it erupts then its probably because they did not see the "do not build houses in the vicinity of this volcano" sign.
  If a nuclear reactor get swamped by a tsunami its probably because they didn't read the "don't build close to the shore line" sign.
  If the nuclear reactor was not affected negatively at all, nobody would be thinking of God at all.
  Darned if ya do and darned if ya don't.
  
  Are you inferring that God is to blame because man built close to the waters edge?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I will not comment. Other than to say I can't improve on your comment.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, with the end results aligning perfectly with the same results if no gods were present at all.
  
  Yes, and all those events can indeed occur whether or not your god exists.
  
  In other words, you have made the decision to believe that one occurrence of an event trumps another as having been guided by your god. No other indications other than your belief are detected.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you are enlightened you know it, its too big an experience to dismiss.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't dismiss it at the time.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  funny you stated being catholic at one point. I guess i missed that thread where you studied as a born again. I suspect this is just more of your misinformation because all the doctrine you state is catholic. You don't honestly know why God sacrificed his son? Thats not a born again problem at all.
  really earnest.
  seems you are pulling a hitler, using the pretense of christian belief to sway the masses.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You don't read very well do you? I was never a Catholic, and my history with religion is common knowledge here. None of my doctrine is religious.
  I'm still waiting for you to explain how your god controls the elements that bought Japan to it's knees.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and i read very well... comprehension and context seems to be your hangup however.
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Earnest. Think of a top. You put it in motion, and it spins. The idea is to NOT interfere any more than is necessary to keep the top spinning, but, you must let the top run it's course. We live on a dynamic planet, this is a living world, subject to great upheavals. That is how it was designed. Do it differently, and our survival here would not have been as it was. All things in nature can be attributed to a creator god(and the beauty of America is, is you can choose what you believe) or to other means. The shark was made to be a shark, and this planet, regardless of how we got here, was made dynamic. Know any string theory?
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  Ah yes, the choice to believe what you want to believe, a freedom one would never want to be prohibited from practicing. A freedom that stands right alongside the freedom to express oneself.
  
  Together, these two freedoms make up who we are as individuals as well as members of a group, collective or society. They are the foundation of acknowledging and representing basic human rights.
  
  And, no matter how much a believer will demand these freedoms, nowhere in their scriptures will they ever find words from their gods allowing them to practice such freedoms.
  
  Instead, they have been given commands and orders to believe what they are supposed to believe and to say what they are supposed to say, with the only alternative being an eternal pit of fire and damnation. Hallelujah.
  
  Hence, when we choose to believe that "All things in nature can be attributed to a creator god and the shark was made to be a shark" we are to also believe that god needed to create ravenous killing and eating machines to roam the oceans with that being it's one and only sole purpose.
  
  And, the mosquitoes sole purpose is to suck blood.
  
  Cancers sole purpose is to kill people.
  
  The brains sole purpose is to believe.
  
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "the beauty of America is, is you can choose what you believe"
  
  How do you choose to believe something? Forgive me if I am wrong here, but you can't choose to believe in santa can you?
  
  Surely you can't choose to believe that santa is real?
  
  How can belief be a choice and why would your location by country affect that?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm still dealing with string theory, so I would say I know very little.
  I don't know why you would think I saw it any other way .... except for the bit about creation.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Japan? I'm still waiting.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The answer is nope and until i get the word directly from God, i will purport no as the answer.
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Bucks hereposted 13 years ago
Well you got two lessons here. Find out for yourself while one is alive. OR wait for God to reveal himself when its too late to find out, after giving the a chance.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry Bucks, I have no idea what you meant to say.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Translation - "I know better than you and god is gonna hurt you real bad when you is ded ifn you don't get with the Jesus program."
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yep! That looks like a good translation.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yep it does.
  Doesn't worry me though.
  All i have to do is be a good as you guys say you are and say hi to jesus occasionally and i am in. (partial sarcasm)
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's hilarious. Typical christian bs. All I have to do is say hi to Jesus occasionally. Don't have to understand the meaning. Don't have to internalize the message. Just throw up a hand and say hey occasionally and I'm magically better than the rest of the world. Quite sad that you don't see the foolishness of such a remark.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  sarcasm eludes you i see
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not as much as reality eludes you I fear.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As thinking eludes you I see.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  if i thought you saw anything beyond your own self i might take that seriously.
  Thanks for the slander. Its one thing to miss sarcasm but another to miss thinking.
  I am sorry i cannot talk low enough for you to grasp what i say.
  I think you think to highly of yourself to be truthful with yourself or others. The pit you have dug for yourself has become your trap.
  I will have to be done with you again.
  over and out
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL! You actually don't believe you slandered, first?
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  sound of the buzzer!
  
  when i first came to these forums my tone was different than it is now. Since i have discovered that some are only here for their own intentions and are not interested in hearing the word or learning my stance has become somewhat sterner, and somewhat belligerent. Earnest however, had already been here for some time with 9,000+ posts, his style is still the same so if you had thought about this before you typed you may well have come to the same conclusion - nope. First is not even the question by the way, first is actually irrelevant.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Such an unhealthy obsession with buzzers, have you seen a therapist for that problem?
  
  After reading some of your first posts here, I would disagree your tone has changed. You were tossing out ad homs almost immediately.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  oh what's the matter, no billy goats?
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why am i not surprised
  
  enjoy the day
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  Bucks hereposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am sure you do, one usually doesn't admit when one is Dumb
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So now you are calling me a liar? Nice!
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  Bucks hereposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You did that all by yourself, explain that to yourself
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Twisting meaning doesn't work on me. Go try it on one of your religious mates, they will miss what I picked up on.
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  Bucks hereposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I doubt it, I stick to my second comment in this then. still confused
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
The incest explains some of the religionists, but what about the rest of us?
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billgaedeposted 13 years ago
"What would a truly omnipotent omnipresent omniscient god be like?"
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The proponent is saddled with the burden of establishing first whether God is a physical object or an abstract concept. If HIS God is an abstract concept -- Love, Intelligence, Grace, Justice -- then God would be very much like nothing. Concepts have no shape. Who can draw Love, Intelligence, Energy, or 'the' Spirit?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you have any suggestions?
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  billgaedeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. The suggestion is that the proponent must tell the audience whether HIS God is a concept or an object. If God is an object (e.g., human-like, cow, Moon), God has shape and the proponent has no excuse to avoid drawing what he is proposing. We can all now see WHAT he is talking about.
  
  If, on the other hand, God is put forth as a concept (Love, Justice, Grace, Intelligence, Wind, Energy), for sure the proponent cannot illustrate WHAT he is talking about, much less claim that his God exists. Only objects may be said to exist.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  OK, thank you for that. I need this type of input for the hub if I decide to proceed in writing it. I do realize it will need a lot of input.
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Niteriterposted 13 years ago
What would a truly omnipotent omnipresent omniscient god be like? Well, except for the omnipotent part (which has a really scary sound for a guy approaching age 60) I'd say he'd be a lot like Mark Knowles. Mark is everywhere there's a discussion of this nature and he knows everything about everything. I found this information in the "Gospel According To Mark" so it must be true. (How come Mark's not making his presence known here, by the way?)

It's good to see you continuing your life's work of keeping the religious fires burning, friend Earnest. I hope you're well. Cheers.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am well, thank you I hope you are likewise.
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aka-djposted 13 years ago
I don't envy you on this self imposed project. It's tantamount to rewriting the entire Bible. It contains just about as much as is humanly possible to write a "description" of Him. You've already dismissed that as a viable source.
But, further to that, no matter how closely, or accurately you think you may have come, you will not have even "scratched the surface" when you have finished. Least of all in a hub of 400-800 words. (approximately).
To answer paraglider's post re the cosmos being all we need, and that God cannot even see the stapler, I have written a hub myself called God between the proton and the electron, where I state my case in this matter. I only mention it as it's relevant to topic, & not at all trying to self promote.

This,I believe is the very root of the religion problem. People trying to put God in some kind of box (aka hub), and He just will not be contained. Never has been. The Israelites built Him a temple, but He broke out of that at the moment of the crucifixion.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Aka I am not trying to put any god in a box, I am trying to tease out the relationship between potency and reality.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That may be so, but the potency, as you put it, is already evident to just about every believer.
  For a nonbeliever, it will either never make sense, or seem foolish. I have seen it time and again.
  
  Bring the "truth" to people, and they only get so much and then the whole thing unravels for them. I can't even get to that point with many hardened atheists, because they are so ANTI, they reject everything at the mention of anything God related.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  aka it may be evident to believers, but I have never seen any religionist who even understand what they are saying about potency. Omnipresent alone is an impossibility for the biblical god as far as I can see, but if you have any hard facts, I will listen to them.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for admitting it. "As far as I can see".
  That's exactly my point. You can only go as far as "you can see".
  I can only take you as far as you are willing to go. Leading the horse to water etc...
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Assumptive and arrogant reply aka, I have never seen your superior knowledge in any thread so far.
  
  Your vision is more limited than you think. For starters, you don't seem to be able to think for yourself about this, you just repeat what you have been indoctrinated in to believing.
  
  On the other hand, I would become religious in a heartbeat if there was any truth in any of it. Show me proof and I change my opinion as I am so accustomed to doing in my life. Live, change, grow.
  As new and proven information arrives, I change my beliefs in any area of my life. You are simply stuck in religion.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What was arrogant about what I said?
  
  You can't see it the way I and thousands of believer see it. I simply pointed out the obvious, and that makes me arrogant. Lets not be so touchy, please.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "I can only take you as far as you are willing to go. Leading the horse to water etc."
  I find that to be arrogant and assumptive OK?
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wasn't calling you a horse. if that's your gripe!
  Dear o dear.
  
  Suppose you hate chinese food. I tell you it's great, you gotta try it. I even take you to a chinese restaurant, but you refuse to go in. Is that my fault? Can I force you to eat it? NO.
  
  That was my point.
  
  Being emotional about it won't help anything.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your explanation is insulting as well!
  
  Why would I think you called me a horse? Do you think I'm stupid, or did you just want to take a cheap shot.
  
  You implied that you understand the situation and I don't. You implied I did not understand but you do, you tried to put me down, (and again this time,) and I called you on it. Have the goolies to admit it. You do not have superior understanding or knowledge of the subject, yet that is exactly what you implied.
  
  Don't try to play with minds that understand the psychology behind what you say, you will get burned every time.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your a mechanic or something, right?
  
  Why should I take offence if you said to me I am ignorant of all things mechanical, if I am? Is that offensive to you?
  Is it therefore offensive to you that I (may)know more than you about anything? Give me a break.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am a motor engineer, but I can live with "mechanic or something" I am a long term student of psychology, a father, a grandfather and a decent human being who has maintained good relationships with all my staff over 35 years.
  I also have a strong knowledge of religion which should also be obvious.
  Have you any bible studies in your arsenal? I do. I also have 30 odd years of religious knowledge gained through psychology which uses many of the religious structures in understanding Psychosis and other mental illness.
  Don't come the raw prawn with me. I will eat you for breakfast.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for the summary.
  I have no doubt that you are what you say you are.
  BUT, you also are a non believer, and oft-times obnoxious about it. You have written a lot of nasty stuff just looking for an argument with me and lots of others. But I take no personal offense to any of it, because that's who you are. You will give account for your actions, (and words)not me.
  I know God, you don't.
  That kinda simplifies it, doesn't it?
  I have no doubt you could eat me for lunch, and room to spare for dessert, on every topic you listed, yet you don't KNOW Him.
  This is not in a tone of being argumentative, or trying to be offensive, but we don't see eye to eye, so no need to browbeat me with all your qualifcations.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It was you who made the assumptions, I just filled you in on what you appear to have overlooked in your assessment. I only reply to what I see as abuse or lies, I have never started any attack, I am a responder not an attacker. You tell me that your god runs my life and I kick your ass simple really.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Headline reads "MR NICE GUY KICKS BUTT"..
  You don't attack, only respond....I like that!
  
  No, God does not run your life earnest. YOU run your life.
  If what I believe happens, you will give account of every word to Him.
  If I'm wrong, hey, it's all ok, we had fun, right? Everyone's happy!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No it is not alright. Your god does not exist, and you are making another threat that is too thinly disguised to miss.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I threaten not.
  It's in the Book.
  Please don't shoot the messenger.
  Read the Book.It's in the Book.
  If I don't relay the massage, another one will.
  It's the "religion forum". We are allowed to post religious words.
  
  aka-dj DOES NOT THREATEN anyone.
  (He's too afraid to get his butt kicked)
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes it's in the book. reminds me of the retelling of the little bo peep story that is called "It's in the book".
  
  You may know it.
  "Little bo peep has lost her sheep, and doesn't know where to find them.
  "Well if she lost them, she wouldn't no where to find them would she?"
  Leave them alone.
  "If she couldn't find them, she would have to leave them alone wouldn't she?
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, actually I don't.
  I was a little kid in Europe.
  I came here as a ten year old, so I missed all these nursery rhymes.
  
  Deprived childhood. Sad, sad.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  II am showing my age. I am Australian, I think it was American or English. It was on an old 78 record I had, and is very old and narrated in a religious tone and quite funny as I recall. It does the whole bo peep thing over. Sorry, thought it may have been more mainstream than it is.
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  dingdondingdonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's not so much a matter of being anti as simply not believing. It isn't as if an atheist can suddenly turn on a religious switch in their brain and start believing, it just isn't as simple as that.
  
  For us it's the same as if you started talking about the truth and scale of the Easter Bunny. It's difficult to really take it as truth.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Whosoever will, may come.
  He that comes to Me, I will in no wise cast out.
  Come to me all ye who are heavy laden and I will give you rest.
  
  I'm sure it's not too difficult for you to believe your mother loves you. I'm sure you don't need hard evidence, facts or scientific theories to come to her for help/comfort/whatever.
  
  There have been countless professed atheists that genuinely came to Him, and discovered for themselves that which no man can prove or explain. It's not that hard, believe me!
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  dingdondingdonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's not difficult to believe, but then I believe my mother exists. Because I have met her. Because I have touched her. Because I have spoken to her.
  
  And though I won't deny there are lots of atheists who have become Christian, there are also lots of Christians who have become atheists. You are speaking to one right now.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Same principle applies.
  The word says, Hebrews 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
  You may not see Him, or touch Him, like you can your mother, but nevertheless, He is there, waiting for people to come to Him.
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  dingdondingdonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's very nice, but reading it in the Bible doesn't make it true for me. I kind of need something more substantial, else I could just say:
  
  dingdondingdon 11:6: Human women are capable of laying eggs.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I guess you are not a "he", nor a "whosoever", because the Word calls only those who "come". It IS true for you, IF you "come" to Him.
  Conversely, IF, you choose not to come to Him, it will prove to be untrue for you.
  I "came" and it was (and still is) true for me. And I am not alone. We ALL must come the same way. There are no privileged ones. NONE.
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superwagsposted 13 years ago
Well it's a contradcition in terms isn't it!?
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
I think you need to read the etymology of the word atheist.

It originated from religionists who tried to force people to believe their rot by implying they were many things they were not.
The word itself is a religious construct, and a word used to describe any person who will not believe what they are told to.

Like me.

It is simply an insult.
My understanding of religion is not in question here.
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frogdroppingposted 13 years ago
"What would a truly omnipotent omnipresent omniscient god be like?"

I reckon he'd be like Hugh Jackman, have an answer for everything and everywhere I looked I'd be able to stare at him.

What else would a god do if he was all that
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  logic,commonsenseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Geez froggy, you girls have a one track mind!
  How about if he had blonde hair?
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  frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Omnipotent ... omnipresent ... omniscient
  
  Because Hugh doesn't have blonde hair.
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  logic,commonsenseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Omnipotent...omnipresent...omniscient.... that describes half the women on hubpages!
  ....but what if he did?
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  frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It wouldn't. I know that you know what the Triple Ohhhh really means. An entity with that kind of awesomeness wouldn't bother being anything else.
  
  Hugh Jackman.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  + 1
  
  and Daniel Day Lewis next!!
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Can we tease out omnipotent next? Or is this to go in the "too hard basket" for a while longer?

Although I have gained some wonderful insights from your contributions so far, I don't want to rewrite the Bible Torah or Koran! I am hopeful we could arrive at what a truly omnipotent entity could achieve, would aspire to do, (I like one reply that considers this)
Thank you very much to contributors so far, I seriously believe we can answer at least some of these questions, as it is 2011, and we have the greatest minds in the world to consult from books we have read and a library that the world could not even comprehend the capacity of twenty years ago.
I have optimistically started the hub.
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A truly all powerful god already had the bugs worked out and a perfect plan in place before he turned on the lights. Gotcha comin', Gotcha goin
  He lives inside of his creations, secretly and quietly, just so the illusion of free will isn't compromised, and he can hear, see, feel, speak, w/o anyone being the wiser.Then, he creates an adversary which he ultimately controls, to tease the creation in false directions until the creation figures things out (of course, w/ alittle push here, a little push there, just so he can be sure that the creation has the true path to follow, learning from their mistakes, until they one day arrive, intelligence wise, right where the creator wanted them to end up. Kinda like baking the perfect cake!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good analogy DD.
  If you took the invisible extremely improbable magic entity out of the equation, you would be left with reams of clearly written empirical evidence from Jungian understandings to support your ideas.
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Emveme7posted 13 years ago
without form or gender and pure energy. Said to know all and sees all but in order to be these things must be in a constant state of learning. Loves above all the greatest gift created. The Soul. Constantly moving forward and experiencing, without that it would become stagnate. Stagnation being the death of any life that is aware.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Paraglider wrote:

"The argument extends to the whole Cosmos.
The problem then arises that God is indistinguishable from the Cosmos. At this point, the need for the God concept disappears. It is sufficient to say that we have the Cosmos"

Omnipresent seems to create a dilemma for a god who would not need to exist, if omnipresence was present! LOL

This is going to be harder than I thought. I cannot argue with Paraglider's reasoning and others have pointed to other problems with the omni's. I need more coffee.

C'mon, I know hubpages has some edumacaitified people who will be able to throw some light on the idea of Omniness!
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly! BUT we needed to EVOLVE our thinking to the point that we have only reached within the past few generations. There ARE things that are in the bible that have no business being there. I long considered the possibility that somebody had a damn time machine and we just haven't arrived at that point in time. Things were purposely muddied, a large group of people (christians) were purposely led down a dead end, left with only a modicum of the truth, close minded, close eared...they couldn't find a messiah to save their souls. Bible is full of things w/ more than one meaning...intentionally. Heard about the Bible Code? It's real.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Have you read anything of an opposing view to the bible code?
  
  I read about the code 30 years ago and found it fascinating, however I later read a debunking that showed the same conclusions could be drawn from reading anything at all and making it fit. The Jews spent an inordinate amount of time getting the Torah to fit many codes.
  
  Well debunked as you would expect from such a belief.
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  superwagsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's real!!!!!
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk3VgQgxiqE
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As it shows, the same can be done with "War and peace" to provide the same outcome.
  This is not code, it is rhubarb! Good link!
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
What would a truly omnipotent omnipresent omniscient god be like?

Jesus is not the omnipotent omnipresent omniscient god ; never did he ever claim to be omnipotent omnipresent omniscient .

[5:117] And when Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, ‘Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?’”, he will answer, “Holy art Thou. I could never say that to which I had no right. If I had said it, Thou wouldst have surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. It is only Thou Who art the Knower of hidden things.
[5:118] “I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me — ‘Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them; and Thou art Witness over all things.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=116
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The bible is interpreted by many to say that jesus is god, and certainly claim supernatural abilities for him.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Bible does not use the attributes of omnipotent omnipresent omniscient for Jesus; these attributes must have been coined by the misleading Church at a later time; Jesus never knew about these attributes about him.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are so certain, I feel sure you must have been there and saw it yourself then. How would you know? Do you have super powers as well as your no show entity?
  
  JC didn't happen. All a myth like the quoran.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  :Matthew 28:18
  
  And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (KJV)
  
  And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. (NASB)
  
  Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. (NIV)
  
  And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. (NWT)
  
  Are you sure about that?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What is your point there?
  
  It is the scribes not Jesus saying himself that the Creator-God has given him all authority of heaven and earth.
  
  When scribes concocted the story and made Jesus god or son of god; they had to state that Jesus had all the powers which he never had.
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prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago
Matt Damon - the Jason Bourne next to Hugh Jackman and Daniel Day...the three gods..
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Jesus was a hippyposted 13 years ago
Oh ok dip
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proteinshakesposted 13 years ago
Tt could be sensed with one's feeling, everything around would feel perfectly harmonious and abundant.

I was going to use the word "gauge" but that's too limiting.
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Greek Oneposted 13 years ago
He would be much like this, I imagine...

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zampanoposted 13 years ago
What would a truly omnipotent omnipresent omniscient god be like?

Undescribable.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
Hey Earnest,

If god is in everything and makes up everything and cannot be in no place or there is no place in which he/she/it cannot be, then what would be the point of Life?

It would defeat all choice, will and everything else. Right?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That seems right to me Cags!
  Does this mean, the omnipresent bit is busted?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I presented that to my mother who was a Catholic(born and raised), and she said I don't believe it.
  
  She said- if god was in every atom, particle and molecule, then it would make absolutely no sense.
  
  I told her that I was only repeating what other people continue to claim god is and she said it's BS.
  
  I told her- believing in a god is BS. Her reply was- nothing.
  
  And, yes it would blow apart the ideology of a god being omnipresent.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Catholic mother too I see. My mom was not so much devout as simply brainwashed by her convent education.
  She dumped religion in her 70's.
  
  I learned something of emotions when she was dying.
  
  I suddenly decided at her bedside to paint a joyful looking landscape for her, which was ridiculous as I don't paint!
  
  I painted it in water colours in a few minutes, yet it was very involved and quite beautiful.
  
  I have often been fascinated by what the subconscious can produce when we are feeling deeply.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know exactly when my mother stopped believing, but I am sure she no longer believes.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now I think about it, I'm not sure when my mom stopped believing either.
  One thing I do think is that as men, few of us escape religion of the mother. Lots of nonbelievers from the fathers side.
  Boys carry their moms values strongly even while idolizing the father.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I never idolized my father. I did look up to him, because of his wisdom, which was greater than his total sum of knowledge, but idolize...naw.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Glad to here it. Many boys do though.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Come to think of it Earnest. I've never idolized any one individual or thing.
  
  I guess, no one has ever impressed me enough to make me even contemplate idolization of them.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think that's a sane outlook.
  
  Self love and self respect should enable us to avoid such projections.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What is death? where did your mom go? What happened to her?
  
  My mom expired a few months back and I told her death is something good and not bad, you will be going home to th light, where you came from.
  
  Sorry earnesthub but you haven't learned.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know exactly where my mom went. Yes death can be good, my mom was very unwell when she died, and that was the end of her suffering.
  I will become worm food. That is also a good thing.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where did she go earnesthub?
  
  The rest you have written is correct.
  This dimension is one of suffering, no one escapes, the escape is in death- oneness with the Light.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My mother went back in the mix Mohit, the same as we all will. Feed the worms I say!
  
  Here is just one site that belongs to a friend in England, you can spend 2 years reading full time there as I have, then argue my point.
  
  That seems fair, as I spent many years studying religion to arrive at my capacity to have an informed opinion here and have read extensively on the subject you wish to discuss.
  
  http://www.hedweb.com/confile.htm
  
  If you care to read all of it you will be able to take a much broader look at the human condition than the single path of religious doctrine and mythical beliefs you now follow as truth.
  Then come back and explain to me how ignorant I am again.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am asking about the energy, which animated her, the essence, the life force, prana?
  
  The body was always made of earth and space and will become dust again.Is this it??
  
  Do you believe you are more qualified than me on the subject of spirituality,?
  
  You can keep reading books for the rest of your life but you will not understand god or the meaning of those books unless you have the experience which like many things in life is the only teacher.
  
  Books should be used as guides, they are left by those who have crossed over to show others the way to paradise, god the Light.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I saw no energy, I saw a dead body.
  
  You are the one claiming to have spiritual knowledge, not me.
  
  I have dome a helluva lot more than read a few books Mohit, I have lived a full and eventful life despite having been where you are know with religion at one time when younger.
  
  As you get older you may regain your self worth enough to gain control over your life rather than handing it over to ancient myths to attend.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Speaking of the religiously insane, for those who love him, by popular demand. Here's Benny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI
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  Paragliderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Think I prefer Benny Hill
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq1t1iFmsv0
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Paraglider, very enjoyable and better still, I had not seen it before!
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Finding the Creator-God Allah YHWH is not a subject of science; science as a human tool is never designed for this purpose; a scientist therefor cannot speak on this subject being a spokemperson of science.

The Creator-God is manifest everywhere though; not physically or spiritually but with his attributes mentioned in the Truthful Word revealed.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
What would a truly omnipotent omnipresent omniscient god be like?

The Creator-God who is omnipotent omnipresent omniscient is manifest everywhere ; not physically or spiritually but with his attributes mentioned in the Truthful Word revealed.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Would you care to test that omnipresent god against the case put by Paraglider?
  
  You do not understand what you are claiming apparently.
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  dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ok...to me it would actually be the universe as we know it. surrounding us encompassing us, changing and adapting as we change moving learning and adapting. Multi-dimentional
  
  No destruction, just preservation of the energy and re-making of the self.
  
  and absolutely nothing like a so called just and omniscent God described in the represive and psychotic O.T.
  
  but a real functioning universe nurturing constant life. it could act no other way because of its ability to create. Form cell structure. more biological and physical no imaginary spirit or so called soul....just real functioning matter.
  
  not like a God of human conventional thought at all
  
  or to put it more simply, nothing beter than the universe as we know it, nothing can be that perfect, there is no place it would be, or fit. Like Cag said above.
  
  just thoughts nothing more intended
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree that the universe is top of the tree when it comes to functioning matter.
  What an amazing process! I watch as much of it as I can get from the many science shows that abound these days.
  
  Science is about to make another leap into the past with a new telescope soon I understand.
  
  Seeing times past is very exciting, as we learn more with each amplification.
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  dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am also waiting for the new equipment. Nova and Blue Planet are my fav. shows. Facinating to me.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The human mind is almost as amazing in being able to learn as much as we have about the universe.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Some of His others attributes are mentioned below:
  
  [2:256] Allah — there is no God but He, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that will intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them; and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He pleases. His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth; and the care of them burdens Him not; and He is the High, the Great.
  [2:257] There should be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
  [2:258] Allah is the friend of those who believe: He brings them out of every kind of darkness into light. And those who disbelieve, their friends are the transgressors who bring them out of light into every kind of darkness. These are the inmates of the Fire; therein shall they abide.
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=255
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why does your Quran threaten us with your god if your religion is peaceful?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The question that has been asked often but never answered truthfully even once.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
More hollow threats from your super being?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I give no threats
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  [2:258] Allah is the friend of those who believe: He brings them out of every kind of darkness into light. And those who disbelieve, their friends are the transgressors who bring them out of light into every kind of darkness. These are the inmates of the Fire; therein shall they abide.
  
  That is a threat.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hese are the inmates of the Fire; therein shall they abide.
  It means one will stay in this world .
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Have you re-interpeted the quoran as well?
  It says what it means to say.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its spirituality, it has depth ,this is where you are going wrong.
  
  I repeat you will not be able to understand such passages unless you have the experience of the Light, spiritual experience.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Same. as the bible, it says what it says, and no amount of interpretation improve the situation at all.
  
  The quoran I read is a book of hate used by loony religious nuts to justify killing, hate of non believers and installs fear in it's followers.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you know the meaning of parables?? DONT TAKE IT LITERALLY
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There you go again, explaining the bloomin obvious like I am the ESL here!
  
  Don't tell me, tell the fanatics who kill in it's name.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I tell them what the meaning is as well.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
There is none fanatic more than the atheists, in my opinion; they eulogize science and science does not prove that the Creator-God does not exist; they are lurking in the darkness.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, muslim extremists are lurking in that darkness, full of hate for themselves and mankind, impatient to die and go to "heaven"
  Many of them trained to hate infidels by their primary school teachers using the qhoran as a guide.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Attacking the atheists again? It would appear your lashing out is your frustration and desperation showing again.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
I think I answered.

Quran threatens nobody. It is the atheists’ guilty conscience that jolts them.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You still haven't been able to see the words on the page is the problem. The majic quoran is filled with the threats that are then taught to children in muslim schools.
  
  Nice stuff like kill all non believers.
  
  Your book is chocka full of hate filled threats displaying your god's phychosis no matter what "context" you try to stuff it in to.
  
  Just like the other book, but with a few more hate passages.
  How many other religionists do you know who carry signs that say kill the infidels, death to America.
  The funniest one I saw describes the beliefs perfectly/
  
  Kill those who say Islam is violent!
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Donna Suthardposted 13 years ago
The experience that I had with God directly, resulted as a forgiveness lesson, in which I forgave someone, that I had considered as a enemy.. I thought the thought, that I would buy her some flowers without her knowing it was me..After that thought.. I was hit with the unconditional love, which went on all night..Every cell of my body, was filled with ecstasy..I have known such unconditional Love...there's no way to describe it..Sex is nothing compared to God! God is only LOVE!!!!!!!
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Bible's first lesson is not to forgive unless one first kills one's son. God-the-Father-of-the-Christians could not forgive sins of the human, having no authority for that; unless he first kills Christian-Son-of-God.
  
  How could you forgive one's sin unless you first kill your son or daughter for it if you are following your religion?
  
  You can be a good human being but not a good christian.
  
  Am I right?
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Every cell of your body?

How much MDMA did you take?
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have felt the bliss of god as well, keep telling you that.
  Many humans talk about union with god the light being the ultimate bliss.
  Its what religions and spirituality are based on.
  Try meditation drop the MDMA
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  as I keep telling you, I have been there, it is illusion.
  You can know how it works if you want to.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hahahah this dimension is the illusion ,temporary.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  From the point of view of individual consciousness it is all temporary.
  When you die, the part of the brain that produces your belief and mine ceases.
  No brain, no god myth. I can produce hard evidence for that.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Death comes to you in the middle of the night,
  Or sweeps you away in broad daylight.
  
  This being mans biggest doubt,
  Death is not to be talked about.
  
  Where he comes from where he goes?
  We have no tangible proof that shows.
  
  What happens to that energy that animates the body. Energy can neither be created not be destroyed.There is no finishing with death and this is what many philosophers Greek ,Hindus etc spoke off.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The energy you speak of is reduced to what we are made of and can be measured accurately.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is reduced to what we are made of ? It changes correct ?
  We are that energy.
  Ernesthub many humans have talked about god the immortality of the soul, I too have had the experience, its the truth. You will only understand it properly by experiencing it yourself.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, and coincidentally we hear the mentally disordered telling their doctors the very same thing.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its what the prophets ,poets ,sages and philosophers taught man.
  Spiritual knowledge, not in your grasp currently.
  
  Once you know death, have knowledge of death you will understand me.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We have yet to distinguish prophets from the mentally disordered as they seem to get glorified when they are long dead, but wind up in padded cells when they are alive.
  
  Not in my reality, as well, evidently.
  
  Then, if that is my choice, I would prefer not to understand you.
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  mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yup you cannot distinguish a prophet from a mentally disordered person
  since your understanding of spirituality is so poor.
  
  Then again you can keep calling the saints and sages foul names, they will remain as saints and sages respected by many .
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Human body.
  
  1. Oxygen (65%)
  2. Carbon (18%)
  3. Hydrogen (10%)
  4. Nitrogen (3%)
  5. Calcium (1.5%)
  6. Phosphorus (1.0%)
  7. Potassium (0.35%)
  8. Sulfur (0.25%)
  9. Sodium (0.15%)
  10. Magnesium (0.05%)
  11. Copper, Zinc, Selenium, Molybdenum, Fluorine, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Cobalt, Iron (0.70%)
  12. Lithium, Strontium, Aluminum, Silicon, Lead, Vanadium, Arsenic, Bromine (trace amounts)
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Death is final and then we smell
Nothing moves no more to tell

Our life is now to be enjoyed
without the fear your god employed

You can write prose till your hands scar,
You will never say but who you are.
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W.R. Shinnposted 13 years ago
If you are serious in finding out an answer to your question, simply take the time to read The book of John, the book of The Acts, and the book of Romans , in the New Testement of the Bible. God says that if you draw closer to Him, He will draw closer to you. If it is just a joke to you and you are not serious, then don't bother reading or trying to find out. If you truly work at finding Him, He'll show up.
Honestly,
W.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In truth, god does not exist, no proof, no show, no god.
  
  All we have is a bunch of psychotic nonsense written by a few bone ignorant sexist goat herders with an obvious agenda.
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W.R. Shinnposted 13 years ago
Guess you're not serious.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't mind it; the atheists say such words in frustration and doubt.
  
  Scienc does not prove that the Creator-God does not exist.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No science does not prove that bananaman does not exists either.
  Science must be weak.
  We Australians believe in bananaman, as we have to accept the evidence.
  
  Have you seen how revered bananas are?
  
  The price of bananas has soared in my country, so a bananaman revival is inevitable.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Very serious, and don't tell me to read things I spent years studying as if I had never heard of them. I have some light reading for religionists, but they never read anything that frightens the horses.
  Too afraid that their fifth rate myths will be exposed for what they are.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
What would a truly omnipotent omnipresent omniscient god be like?

It would be just like mentioned in these verses of Quran:

[59:23] He is Allah, and there is no God beside Him, the Knower of the unseen and the seen. He is the Gracious, the Merciful.
[59:24] He is Allah, and there is no God beside Him, the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace, the Bestower of Security, the Protector, the Mighty, the Subduer, the Exalted. Holy is Allah far above that which they associate with Him.
[59:25] He is Allah, the Creator, the Maker, the Fashioner. His are the most beautiful names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Him, and He is the Mighty, the Wise.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=23
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and his words have guided Islamists to kill 270 million people.
  ... but don't worry about "collateral damage" eh?
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jtylerposted 13 years ago
He would probably be very bored.
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ukulele_heroposted 13 years ago
What would a truly omnipotent omnipresent omniscient god be like?

I think he would resemble Emilio Estevez.
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