Hizb ut-Tahrir Leader Calls for Muslim Armies to Unite conquer America

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   TMMasonposted 13 years ago

   People wonder what Islam is doing in America... watch these four videos of Hizb ut-Tahrir America’s, June 26Th Khilafah Conference 2011, in Ill., and they tell you straight out what they are doing... taking America and ridding the world of American Imperialism.
   
   Simple.
   
   And the American Left is willingly helping them in this endeavor, in the attempt to impliment their own Maxist bred re-structuring of America.
   
   And these are not some no-name Muslims, they all have followings and are respected within the Ummah. These are not some clowns on the corner chanting, repent the end is near... these people are truly dangerous.
   
   ---"In the first one Muhammed Abu called for Sharia Law to the chants of “Allah Akbar”. In this video we see Abu Attallah call for the Muslim armies to unite. Also calling for an Islamic dress code and no free mixing between men and women. At one point he mentions “Sheikh Obama”. He probably meant Sheikh Osama, but that is some slip up. Why would he have Obama on his mind during an Islamic conference? This part can be viewed at the 5:50 mark. But please take the time to watch this very important video. These people are out to destroy America as we know it, and our government is allowing them to plot in our backyard. If it were up to me they would be charged with treason, locked up, and deported if possible.
   
   http://loganswarning.com/2011/07/15/usa … ama-video/
   
   Nothing to see here though people... move along... move along...

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      jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know why the muslims waste their time, when the Americans themselves are doing their best to destroy America. May be, that is their only hobby.

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   mikelongposted 13 years ago

   Leave it to Mason to follow in the failed footsteps of McCarthy....
   
   
   Boogedy boogedy bbogedy....
   
   
   Your ongoing portrayal of Islam as a monolithic force demonstrates your lack of knowledge.....
   
   Your statements concerning deportation show how flimsy your support of the Constitution actually is...  It is a good thing you will never be anywhere near the levers of power...
   
   
   What Mason doesn't understand is that it is his own recklessness, ignorance, and arrogance that makes the perfect propaganda pieces for the very groups he seeks to demonize....
   
   But, as with his avatar, he doesn't think about big picture issues like this.....

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      thooghunposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I understand what you're saying Mike. Really, I do. I consider myself something of a polyglot, having had the fortune of being raised in a multi-ethnic environment. Despite that, I find that the portrayal of Islam as a monolithic force has some merit, despite its obvious lack of charm and  xenophobic bluntness.
      
      Let's take my country of birth as an example, sunny England where thanks to the arbitration act of 1996 a plethora of Sharia courts operate today. And to quip from Wikipedia, it seems they have the authority to rule issues such as:
      
      "that no Muslim woman may marry a non-Muslim man unless he converts to Islam and that any children of a woman who does should be taken from her until she marries a Muslim".
      approval of "polygamous marriage"
      "a male child belongs to the father after the age of seven, regardless of circumstances".
      
      Sure, we're not talking the dreaded cutting of limbs. But despite the apparent relative moderation, we're still talking about the implementation of a system that is leaps and bounds out of sync with contemporary values of pretty much any civilized society.
      
      To me, despite how terse and bigoted I may seem in saying so, it is a question of time. And ultimately I feel that a line will need to be drawn.

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   Emile Rposted 13 years ago

   Mr. Mason, this scares me no more than the actions of the religious right in their attempt to hijack our freedom.  It'll be OK. The American people aren't going to let either group railroad us with their archaic belief system.

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   knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

   Not that many years ago it was the monolithic communist takeover of the world. The Military Industrial Complex made out big on that one as well.

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      thooghunposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It really depends on which angle you take. Sure, McCarthyism and the red scare was a propaganda machine like no other. On the other hand however, ask eastern European countries if NATO's push eastwards and whether their fight to free themselves from communism was worth the blood and tears it was. To name a few; Poland, Ukraine or Romania.
      
      To some, it was a very real threat -- to others, a reality.

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   mikelongposted 13 years ago

   Thooghun....
   
   Are all Muslims represented by these courts?  Are they Sunni? Are they Shia?  Are they Sufi?
   
   If Sunni, based off which of the four schools of Islamic Law are they based?  Are they all the same?
   
   What about non-practicing Muslims?  Or those overall who, like so many, came to Britain or the United States to escape theocracy?  I know too many Muslims who fall into these diverse categories to get sucked into (again) the monolithic constructions that Mason and so many others brandy about...
   
   Concerning the "fears of Communism", what nonsense...."those Soviets"....garbage...
   
   Smoke and mirrors...paper tigers, all fear mongering to boost government defense budgets and to win elections.....

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      thooghunposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Smoke and mirrors they may be, but with very real, historically documented side effects. You could try convincing a Romanian who was alive in '67 that  soviet encroachment was somehow illusion. That Nicolae Ceaușescu did not, in fact, brutally massacre his own people. It took a popular revolution to take him out. I could list the names of many others, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
      
      Regarding Muslim sharia courts, you actually make my point. To illustrate my point:
      
      "Law in Action produced evidence yesterday that it was being used by some Muslims as an alternative to English criminal law. "
      
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … wanes.html
      
      The point is that it pays no heed to distinction. The fact that it aims to supersede British law is what I'm worried about. It matters not what, or who you are. Today, its effects are negligible, its tomorrow that I worry about. Yesterday there were no sharia courts, today there are. If that monumental step can be made, why not the rest?

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         thooghunposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Ops, looks like I misread somewhat, I see what you mean regarding there being no consensus. But there is enough, apparently. To establish the framework.
         
         If you got down to it, a "basic code" exists. And I'm sure they could all hold hands and peruse the Qu'ran, Sunnah and Hadith and nail one out.

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            kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            'Cause that's worked so well for the 58278273493726 different Christian sects...
            
            There are not as many different Muslim sects, but the differences between them are just as sharp, and even within the same sect you have different beliefs and different levels of religious fervor, from the fanatic to the Muslim in name only.

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               thooghunposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Well, obviously
               
               I understand what you are both saying, and I also understand that I risk coming across as something of a bigot. Nevertheless, while you are both attempting to convince me that the differences are too sharp, and that a single Koranic system of law would be ill-accepted, it exists at this very moment in England and is legally binding. Despite the differences you rightly point out.
               
               My point is speculation about the divide are rendered moot by the fact that what I am alluding too is already a reality.
               
               Here's more info on the tribunal itself: Muslim Arbitration Tribunal

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                  kerrygposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Just because it exists does not mean that all British Muslims use it, or even that all British Muslims acknowledge its authority.

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   TMMasonposted 13 years ago

   We all know McCarthy was correct in all his assertions... and pinned many a commie and commie lover down... until the American Left and Prgressives jumped in to cover for thier treasonous ilk.
   
   But that is not this thread, is it.
   
   As to the Islams in this nation... they are a threat. They have proved through out history what they use immigration for, and how it is simply another tool of Jihad, and with the American Left and Progressives locked at the hips with them... it will be as easy as 1 2 3.

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   knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

   " On the other hand however, ask eastern European countries if NATO's push eastwards". Think Russia had been invaded three times in what 70 years,
   totally devastated each time, Napoleon, and Germany twice. The eastern satellite states were buffers against another invasion. US propaganda did not and does not allow for such considerations.

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   mikelongposted 13 years ago

   Thooghun....how did I make your point?
   
   You continued with a statement about "some Muslims"....which is again both misleading and vague...not necessarily intentional on your part...
   
   What percentage of Muslims are being discussed here?  What sects do they come from? Do those who come from other types of Islam agree? Or do they want to be left alone?
   
   Mason...
   
   Obviously "we all" don't know....and a person who knew very little was Senator McCarthy....the rabblerouser who had little to no other means to catapult himself into political office...
   
   I suppose you are going to tell me that when Kruschev said "We will bury you" in 1956.....
   
   But, you would be wrong.....
   
   American intelligence, based on its own linguistical incompetance mixed with partisan political warfare for control of high office, twisted and distorted reality in order to keep the American people afraid of the Soviets... Take the 1973 "crisis" in Egypt as an example....
   
   Kissinger blatantly lied about "40,000 Soviet Marines" preparing to "rescue to cut-off and surrounded Egyptian army"....  While portraying the U.S. as the victor when the Russians did not land Marines, the truth was that these Marines never existed....they were never there....but the American people didn't know anything....so out the cheerleaders and "rah rah rah" came...
   
   Fools...
   
   By the 1960's the Russian army was facing a severe manpower shortage... Due to the effects of World War II there weren't enough 19 year olds to fill the depleting ranks...  Desertions ran high.... I know a guy who worked was working for the CIA as a Soviet specialist during the 1970's and '80's...  Regardless of the reports he'd write documenting the military weakness of the Soviets, and their lack of desire to fight against the U.S., he says that the "heads" of the Agency only saw what they wanted to see....  It was more profitable, politically and monetarily, to keep the exaggerated threat alive than to tell the truth....
   
   And this is the sad truth...

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   mikelongposted 13 years ago

   http://www.walter-c-uhler.com/Reviews/Misreading.html

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      thooghunposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      An interesting article Mike, and I do not, and have not, disputed it. I was simply taking a global perspective and contextualizing the threat to the world -- particularly eastern Europe.
      
      With regards to your point about the divisions inherent in Muslim observances, yes I did initally misread your post -- sorry about that. Nevertheless, as I mentioned above, and I quote (myself):
      
      I understand what you are both saying, and I also understand that I risk coming across as something of a bigot. Nevertheless, while you are both attempting to convince me that the differences are too sharp, and that a single Koranic system of law would be ill-accepted, it exists at this very moment in England and is legally binding. Despite the differences you rightly point out.
      
      My point is speculation about the divide are rendered moot by the fact that what I am alluding too is already a reality.

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    Will Apseposted 13 years ago

    Keep checking under the bed. Something will turn up.

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    recommend1posted 13 years ago

    Where are the same reactionary old farts screaming about the western armies actually and currently united against the arab nations and bombing the crap out of them as we speak ?
    
    Another loony toons thread.

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    Cagsilposted 13 years ago

    Another distortion thread by Mr. TMMason. Just his way of sharing whatever deluded thoughts his religious beliefs can bring the forefront of his narrow/closed mind.
    
    Yes, there are times when TMMason has something good to say, but it's not often.

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