Mormon's Christ Vs. The Christian's Christ

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   passingthewordposted 11 years ago

   "In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).
   
   
   The Traditional Christian Christ            The Mormon Christ
   
   Eternally God                        Not always God, Became a God
   
   Creator of all Things                Was created: Spirit Brother of Lucifer
   
   Begotten miraculously, of the Holy Spirit    Begotten sexually, by God the Father   
   
   Not married                        Married with Children (Al Bundy)
   
   Atoned for sin by death on the Cross        Atoned by sweating Blood in Gethsemane
   
   Justifies the Ungodly                Requires Godliness before justification
   
   Offers Full salvation unconditionally        offers full salvation only on conditions
   
   How can the Lds say that they are Christians when they believe in a another person to be their Christ?

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      LewSethicsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Passingtheword, why are you here?  You haven't published any hubs at all, your score is 11.  Are you here only to proselytize your religious views?

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         passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         no, not to proselytize. Just to share what i have learned.
         I didn't know that the score is such a big issue. It sounds like the only friends you have are on the hub.  thats ok though.
         I hope that answers your question.

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            LewSethicsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            That friends on the hub comment was cute.  You get a star.
            Scores aren't the reason we're here, writing is.
            I just come to the forum to mess with people like you.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Good question.
      Thanks for the info.

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      rbe0posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      This thread title reeks of prejudice. They aren't Mormons they are Latter-Day Saints (LDS). The LDS are also included in the category of Christian Religions and therefore you cannot distinguish between their god and a christian god because he is the same god.

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         passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         No prejudice. just sharing what i have learned while i was a part of the Mormon faith.
         The LDS Church are the ones saying they believe in a different christ, not me.
         
         In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).

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            Mark O Richardsonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Why did you leave? Did someone offend you?

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      goldenpathposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Not a different person just a different deeper viewpoint of Jesus Christ.  Eternal progression and expansion is a doctrine almost exclusive to our LDS faith.  All glory will and shall always be unto the Eternal Father yet if we are worthy scripture tells us we can inherit powers, knowledge and joys necessary for that endless growth.  This can only be done through and by the Lord Jesus Christ.
      
      The Father and the Son are both separate yet distinct tangible persons.  Together with the Holy Ghost they work as one for the progress and salvation of man.

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         passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Are you a prophet like Hinckley was? He said "different" Don't change what he taught.

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   davidkalugeposted 11 years ago

   I remember one chat I had with some people. The fact is that we speak as if know the truth but the truth we actually know is what we are meant to know and belief so it is wrong for anyone to claim to know the actual truth because none of us were there over 2000 yrs ago when Christ was said to lived. Therefore, if you do not share same view with Mamorn do not mean you or they are right. It means that is what you belief to be right while they belief differently. We do not even know the real Christains.

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      daughtersonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Regardless of the belief in Christ as Christians see Christ I can only say the Mormans I have known have been the kindest most generous people I have ever met.

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         passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         you don't have other friends that are generous or kind?

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            daughtersonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I should have said some of the kindest and most generous -- I stand corrected.

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               passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Ok, good because i know a lot of kind and most generous atheist, Catholics, Pentecostal etc.

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   MelissaBarrettposted 11 years ago

   Funny how your ideas of the "Traditional Christian Church" aren't the ideas of all members of that Church.  Maybe that should tell you something...
   
   
   (Something about a log and a mote maybe)

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      passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      ok

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   Perspycaciousposted 11 years ago

   Kindness and generosity are both positives.  Christ himself defined how people could know that his followers/disciples were Christians, when he said:  "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, that ye have love one for another."  He also said, "If a man love me, he will keep my commandments, and my father which is in heaven will love him and we will come and make our abode with him."  "Christian" is not a title, or even a church, it is a belief in Christ which is visible to others, be they Christians or not, for its clear evidence of charitable love for others (and  pure love for God.)

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      passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      what i am trying to share are the differences of the lds faith that they wont tell you when they are trying to convert someone. We are told to tell people the the book of Mormon is just another testament of Jesus Christ. We don't tell them that the book of Mormon forces them to believe things the contradict what the bible says and take you on a hole different riot.

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         MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Neither the book of Mormon nor any other religious tome forces anyone to believe anything.
         
         This mission to condemn an entire faith is not only obvious but really pretty sad.  Christianity has lots of different beliefs, that's why there are different denominations.  Go find another to write diatribes on... if for no other reason than variety.

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            passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            You are not a Mormon  unless you believe what they believe.
            Do think this is sad.
            (Regarding Joseph Smith's alleged first vision where celestial personages appeared to him.) . . .) "My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right — and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt . . ." (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 5-6).
            
            So you think this is sad.

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               MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               LMAO, that's hardly exclusive to Mormons.  I am apparently not a Christian because I don't believe what they believe. 
               
               So write a thread about how horrible fundamental Christians are.
               
               Surely you have enough resentment that you can spread it around...
               
               As for whether or not the quote is sad... no sadder than I've seen from any number of religions.

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                  passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Mormons are not Christians.
                  Ill stick with Mormonism.
                  
                  Would you like to share with me what you don't believe in the bible.

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         Mark O Richardsonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Passingtheword-
         Many of the criticisms that come up are esoteric things that are twisted by haters. Contradictions are in your opinion. Why don't you focus on what you believe instead of attacking others? How can you say that someone is not Christian? I would never tell someone who believes in Jesus that they are not Christian.

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   Druid Dudeposted 11 years ago

   AND there's a reason they left NY, and Ohio. There's a reson why they ended up where they are. There may be a good reason why they dressed up like indians to massacre a wagon train of "unwelcome outsiders" I sure would like to hear it.

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      Cranfordjsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      +1

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   Lady_Eposted 11 years ago

   Mormons are not Christians. Punto.

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   Perspycaciousposted 11 years ago

   I would rather have a world of Mormons that behave themselves as Christians, than a world of  "Christians" who don't even behave themselves as such.  It is not just what someone says they are.  It will be nice when, and if, the day comes when you can't tell the real Christians from all the other Christians simply because everyone behaves as Christians should.  To many today, Christ still says: "Neither do I condemn thee.  Go and sin no more." (Matthew 7:3 and Luke 6:41 are in perfect harmony and still apply to all of us who complain about what is the matter with other children of a loving Heavenly Father.)

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      passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      you can say the same thing about Mormons. People my act a curtain way in public and act different. Like several of my friends parents hate each other and don't even sleep in the same bed. But the lds church don't even know, not even the bishop.

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      Mark O Richardsonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Perspycacious-
      Amen brother.
      Passingtheword-
      Nobody is perfect.

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   MyDailyBreadposted 11 years ago

   A true story. One of the elders of the Mormon church was watchin TV one day with his son who is a high profile sportsperson here in our country. The movie they were watching was a about a murder investigation over in England years ago.
   How they murdered this person was they open his up and took everything out
   through his stomach. They could not find any clue or anything as to this case
   because it was so professionally done. The person who investigate this murder
   couldn't put his finger on anything to help solve this case. Finally he decided to look back in history in all the murder cases that had occured then to see if he can find a similar case and see how it was solved. Sure enough he found one
   case excatly the same and it was traced back to the free mason. The father and son then looked at one another and realised that this is the same oath that they  are made to keep inside the LDS temple.From then they have turn from the Mormon church and are sharing their testimony all over the world. So it is not
   what you look at in the outside that matters it is what goes behind the scene that makes this kind of belief unchristian and scary.

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   MyDailyBreadposted 11 years ago

   If you truly want to know more about the Mormon church.
   Google "Edward Decker Mormon" to read what he has to say.
   He is an ex Mormon who was very high up in this cult.

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      Mark O Richardsonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Ed Decker was kicked out of the church multiple times for fornication/adultery.

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    MyDailyBreadposted 11 years ago

    I found this Quote from the History of Free Masonry.
    " To the public the Freemasons appear to be a fraternal organization that does good deeds, caring for children and orphans, including the Shriners who sponsor and support Children’s hospitals. I have a copy of a Masonic Scholarship Award one of our Bible School students received from the lodge in her hometown.  Now that all seems to be very noble doesn’t it? Sadly, the reason behind their good works is based on one of the biggest and most deceptive lies of Freemasonry, which is; “Man is not sinful but merely imperfect, and therefore can redeem himself through good works.” Therefore negating the redemptive work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. "

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       Mark O Richardsonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

       James teaches that faith without works is dead.
       The book of Revelation teaches that we will be judged by our works.

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    NiaLeeposted 11 years ago

    Do you ever think that all those rivalry and details may be Satan's work to distract people from God.Frankly, I have heard every kind of differences from people of different denomination and churches! Who's work is it to divide???
    I believe in God, I believe in Jesus Christ who said I am the son, my father...so he is the son and not God according to the Bible... now everybody has a different version. Why all that confusion? Is it the reason why so many remained Jewish??? Is it the reason so many ran to Islam??? Apparently there is a lot of contradiction. We can all quote our Bible, but the fruits tell about the tree. Frankly, I have read and studied a lot, a lot religions. We need not to keep on arguing and confusing people. No hard feelings I hope, I am just trying to put a point across, all this arguing is very confusing.
    Why would we believe in one prophet and not another one? Who has real concrete proofs that it was not a man's vision or delusion but God's message? Nobody. We all keep on interpreting and believing. Confusion as I said.

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       passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       If  people would read the bible and only the bible they would be fine. But people get stuck and try and find different ways to interpret what it means. If you would just sit and continue to read (further in the versus, chapter or book) you will find what it is really getting at. You need to read and not take what people tell you to believe.
       I don't know if that will make sence to you?

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       Mark O Richardsonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

       NiaLee-
       I agree. We need to focus on what we have in common, not our differences. ESPECIALLY in how politics are right now.

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    paarsurreyposted 11 years ago

    Mormon's Christ Vs. The Christian's Christ
    
    Both the Mormon Christians and the rest of the Christians believe in the mythical Jesus not the real Jesus.

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       passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Who is the real christ to you?

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          paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Jesus the man, a prophet messenger of the Creator God whose real life accounts are mentioned in Quran.

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             passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             ooooh, your Muslim. The peaceful one? Or the other one? no offense intended.

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                paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                   passingthewordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                   I am not sure but I thought you believed Jesus was just an ordinary man?

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