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What Is Wrong With The Human Heart and does Atheism have the answers?

  1. Thinkaboutit77 profile image79
    Thinkaboutit77posted 9 years ago

    What is wrong with the human heart (and not the physical organ) and does the religion of Atheism and other man-made solutions have the answers?

    1. aka-dj profile image76
      aka-djposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I think, based on posts by atheists, right here in these hub pages, they would say there is nothing wrong with the human heart, so there's no need to "fix" it!

      1. Thinkaboutit77 profile image79
        Thinkaboutit77posted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Any Atheists who can pick up the newspaper or get the news on radio or tv and sees all teh violence that is not just committed by poor underprivileged people and says there's nothing wrong with the human heart needs to have their head examined. They are living in denial and denial doesn't address the issue, it just perpuates the problem.

        1. profile image0
          sandra rinckposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Just get to the point. what? What is wrong with the human heart?  Let me guess, not accepting Jesus...right?

          Oh wiat excuse me, I mean being a Christian acting in the proper Christain behavior, and only studying the Bible and spreading the good word until we all become robots.  The very same robots you say is the very reason we have free will.

      2. AEvans profile image79
        AEvansposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        I am not Athiest I am Chrisitan however I am very open minded about all religions.smile
        God certainly would no want me to be judgemental and I have read the Qur'aan and have friends who are Muslim so with respect I am far from Athiest I certainly do believe in GOD:)

    2. Paraglider profile image93
      Paragliderposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I'm sure we've been here before, but Atheism is not a religion.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        I think dontthinkaboutit is of the opinion that of you say something often enough and loud enough, eventually people will start to think it is true. I see that a lot from certain quarters smile

        1. Paraglider profile image93
          Paragliderposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          OK, well in that case let's try it - ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION!!

  2. weblog profile image55
    weblogposted 9 years ago

    Just curious...Is there any chemical organ of that existing? wink

    1. sukkran profile image66
      sukkranposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      don't be curious. just ask that beautiful snekha.

      sukkran

  3. AEvans profile image79
    AEvansposted 9 years ago

    Our hearts are an organ and they do not think, it is the mind process that can get us into trouble. Feelings and emotions come from the brain which stimulates everything else. I do not necessarily believe that Atheism and man-made solutions have all ofthe answers however we should all keep an open mind and learn from each other about this interesting process.

  4. daeemomin profile image56
    daeemominposted 9 years ago

    read my posts on Islam. you will find the solution for all your problems...

  5. dingdong profile image60
    dingdongposted 9 years ago

    I don't see anthing wrong with human heart by all means wink

    1. Paraglider profile image93
      Paragliderposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Then why are you hiding yours behind a large 77?

      1. dingdong profile image60
        dingdongposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Simple! HP won't allow me to show... big_smile

        1. Paraglider profile image93
          Paragliderposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          True, but if you left/right reversed the image the score wouldn't cover your 'heart' wink

          1. dingdong profile image60
            dingdongposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            You can see the big heart clearly in my profile page, I mean the 200 x 200 px wink

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              It's true.

              Although I doubt that is "her" heart big_smile

              ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION!!

              1. aka-dj profile image76
                aka-djposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                Of course not! It's SCIENCE! lol

                1. Paraglider profile image93
                  Paragliderposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  No, if it were, we wouldn't need both words. So, we have:

                  Atheism is Atheism
                  Science is Science
                  Religion is Religion

                  Now, that wasn't difficult, was it?

                  1. mohitmisra profile image60
                    mohitmisraposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    lol  lol

                  2. quicksand profile image80
                    quicksandposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    If you will permit me to say so, atheism is a conclusion ... reversible of course ... ego stands in the way of manipulating the reverse gear. With all due respects to all, this is just my opinion.

                    Well, you may ask, if this is a conclusion, how come it is reversible? It blasts the concept of conclusion into smithereens. Well in my opinion, that's the way atheism is designed to work. smilesmilesmile

      2. AEvans profile image79
        AEvansposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        oh my smile

        1. Paraglider profile image93
          Paragliderposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          I thought it was time to inject a lighter note, as this thread clearly wasn't going anywhere useful wink

          1. AEvans profile image79
            AEvansposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Make sense big_smile if they only knew about mine smile

  6. quicksand profile image80
    quicksandposted 9 years ago

    The versatility of language is the only thing that supports atheism.

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      awesome line smile

      1. Jewels profile image84
        Jewelsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        And it seems that the versatility of language is the only thing that attempts to support a belief system propped up by a badly translated book hmm

        1. Paraglider profile image93
          Paragliderposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Now, now, Mohit's book's not a translation. He wrote it himself. wink

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            lol  lol  wink

      2. quicksand profile image80
        quicksandposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Thanks Mohit! smile

  7. quicksand profile image80
    quicksandposted 9 years ago

    The right combination of words can either prove or disprove almost anything. The existence of language only blunts our logic.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      OK, I challenge you to prove or disprove the existence of god. With words. smile

      1. profile image0
        sandra rinckposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        I think the better challenge would be to define God.  smile

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Why? There is no such thing.

          1. profile image0
            sandra rinckposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            lol, maybe if we knew what it was, then maybe there would be a better chance at proving whether it exist or not.  lol smile

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              I know what it is and it does not exist. You can dress it up all you like; add some stuff about christ consciousness, turn it round and say, well what I really meant was this that and the other; call it some other word.

              Everyone knows what god means. All-powerful. Greater than you. In charge. Responsible. You know - god smile

              The SODDIT defence. big_smile

              1. profile image0
                sandra rinckposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                And you are possitive that that is what God is or means?  Can't say that I know that that is true.  I heard too many different meanings.  What is SODDIT defence?

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Some Other Dude Did It smile

                  1. profile image0
                    sandra rinckposted 9 years agoin reply to this



                    ROTFLMAO smile

      2. quicksand profile image80
        quicksandposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Lol! First of all your mischievous smile makes me totally nervous!!!smile

        Secondly, I would say that scientists have not found any evidence of the non-existence of GOD. Right throughout, scientists have been able to prove every theory that they have put forward, using mathematics and logical inference.

        The track record of scientists itself is sufficient to establish their credibly and accept what they say as true. By the same token to accept what they don't say as untrue.

        Quite apart from that, you believe in a GOD that you believe does not exist.

        I believe in a GOD since I cannot find evidence of his non-existence! smile

        1. Misha profile image76
          Mishaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          I see the science track record quite differently - science keeps disproving itself all the time. smile

          In fact, it is designed this way. Try to dig for Paraglider's posts on that matter, he explained it several times much better than I possibly can smile

          1. quicksand profile image80
            quicksandposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Well, the various fields in science would stand on separate feet. I see what you mean. The fact remains that thanks to science and technology we are living a far more comfortable life than our predecessors did. How's that for credibility?

            There may be instances in medical science where definite mathematical proof of any discovery cannot be established. This fact alone will create a requirement for continuous investigation.

            Well ... I am deviating from the topic, am I not? smile

            1. Paraglider profile image93
              Paragliderposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              To save you the labour of digging  http://hubpages.com/hub/Freedom-from-Belief  is my hub on the nature of scientific and nonscientific knowledge. Thanks Misha!

              1. quicksand profile image80
                quicksandposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                Thanks for planting that link right here, Paraglider. I arrived "safely" at your hub and got back here mentally exhausted. But it was worth it. Lol! So the culprit is actually "energy!" after all!!!
                Not GOD! smile

        2. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          smile

          I believe in no such god.

          The track record of scientists? What you mean the scientist who's work is allowing you to communicate with me over the internet?

          I believe in no such god.

          Why can you not grasp the simple principal that not believing in something you find laughable - is not a belief?

          I am quite prepared to accept the complete lack of evidence or proof of god as good enough for me.

          Any time you are ready to prove or dis-prove god I will be waiting.

          Any time you are prepared to back up your original statement in some way, I am all ears. smile

          1. profile image0
            Zarm Nefilinposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            He believes in his "God" because he hasn't found any evidence not to yet there is evidence all around him.  The trick I have learned to dealing with such people is to realize that no proof will suffice to turn them away from "God", which ironically is the same accusation they make towards atheists when they bust out historical arguments or try to show believers the patterns of deception present in organized religion.

            If I literally believed in Santa Claus and turned it into a Multiple Out they couldn't disprove me either.  Matter of fact I might just construct such an argument so that I can pull it out and humiliate these kinds of people when they start talking.

            1. quicksand profile image80
              quicksandposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              Cool it. I never brought religion into this. I was only discussing a belief.

          2. quicksand profile image80
            quicksandposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Well, Mark, the only statement I made was that language is versatile, I believe I can sort of prove that.

            As for proving the existence of GOD, if I succeed in doing what millions have tried hard to, and failed, I would be star of the century! I cannot. No one can. That does not mean he does not exist either.

            Likewise, if you can prove that he does not exist, you too will rise to fame. You cannot. No one can! That does not mean he does exists either. smile

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              No, you made several statements:



              This makes no sense other than to show that you believe atheism is wrong. You then went on and said:


              Which also makes no sense, unless you substitute the word "logic," for "belief." But you did state this and have not attempted to prove anything. You then stated:



              Which I assume to mean you believe in everything that has not been dis-proven. Since it is a logical impossibility to prove the non-existence of something that does not exist?

              So it seems to me, the only thing that supports your belief is the versatility of language........

              smile

      3. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        GOD


        Who is god?
        He, she and it is god. God is, has, was, will.

        Where is god?
        Everywhere is god, nowhere is god.

        What sort of a thing is god?
        Everything is god.
        God is love, god is the light.

        When does god come?
        When the madness stops, when death becomes.

        How do I see god?
        With your eyes closed and with your eyes open.

        What have I to do with god?
        You are his creation, you are a part of him.

        When do I see, meet god?
        Whenever you really decide to,
        When you want nothing.

        smile wink

        1. quicksand profile image80
          quicksandposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          MY GOD! You are right! smile

          1. aka-dj profile image76
            aka-djposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            How can you say "you are right", without proof?
            If he is right, we are all right, and, we are all wrong.
            Who can say? ? ?

  8. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 9 years ago

    If the delightful thing about God were whatever ya make it, then no definitive concept of God would be helpful.

  9. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 9 years ago

    To some god means all and everything, the whole. The whole can be considered equal to the part, in that the part is equally necessary to the whole.

  10. Mark Knowles profile image60
    Mark Knowlesposted 9 years ago

    Yet you ask this question in your poem:



    And I was just trying to help, by explaining that it is your autonomic nervous system smile

    The first step in Yoga is learning mastery of your body. Until you can do this, you are at the whim of your body and subsequently ego. It is the first step in controlling the rest and allowing the internal dialog to be quieted.

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      autonomic nervous system--note the word autonomic-.happens by itself.
      Yes I agree with you yoga does require control of the body and mind for allowing the internal dialogue.But more than controlling any part of your body it requires one pointed concentration.Absolute or perfect concentration smile

      Am I really in control? I say NO.

      So what is control­ling everything besides me?


      The same force or entity or power controls.

      I have never been in control.

      At the same time I must have been in control. wink

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Cryptic, yet at the same time meaningless and lacking in inner significance wink

        Autonomic means "Involuntarily," or "spontaneously." Not "happens by itself."

        And it is possible to override this. Which means you have power over this "force or entity." wink

        1. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Autonomic =Involuntarily =happens by itself=same thing=different words.

          Total significance smile

          You are the force or enity. smile or god or cosmos or holy spirt or great spirit smile

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Me and my father are One- Jesus Christ smile

 
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