Do Atheists Prove there is a God by saying they don't believe in One?
Atheism is like I am god which is correct. You have both om namo shiva and shiva ho hum.
I am god and I bow to god.
I was an atheist-didn't believe in god would always say I am god since I was a kid.
Today after having seen the light or god I say both I am god and I bow to god.
God is within you , is actually your inner most core, deeper than blood we are made of this fine light,love tissue which is supremely intelligent and pervades the entire cosmos .I was an atheist since a very young age .Came from a good school, a good background,had many pretty girl friends,ate in five star hotels a lot and then joined the Merchant Navy where I had a great time.Never had something terrible happen to me and then became an atheist. Today I not only believe but preach god and thats a different story.
Hi Mo
You seem to be very happy with where you are, spiritually. Good stuff.
Personally, I cannot understand this need to 'pray' for "unbelievers'" souls, or try to convert them to my way of thinking. If everybody thought like me, it would soon become too crowded, and I hate crowds!Hey sufi,
your understanding and tolerance is beautiful.I wish more were like you- live and let live.
God was the biggest shock in my life but today yes I am content .Initial years were a nightmare after enlightenment with family,friends everyone calling me mad but then I have god with me and he is sorting all that out.I do my part and he does his .
Many atheists I know listen and believe me simply because I was one of them.They say out of all the people in the world -you- we know you wouldn't lie to us.
Then this understanding has to come from within.
Don't remember asking you any questions, King.
There is no GOD - deal with it.
Or is there?
There isn't, and we did. So here I am.
Ramen
Oh - and I have unilaterally decided that the holey spirit is Barbera D'Asti Superiore - 5 years minimum age.The coffers are flush at the moment. Why not go for the 8 year?
Good to see you still fighting the good fightMy coffers are not as flush as they were
- Janettaposted 14 years ago
0 "A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or truth."
According to Wikipedia, atheism isn't a religion
My personal thought is that atheists choose not to believe in a higher power. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just like because a religion believes in a higher power it doesn't mean it does exist.
There can be a unified group of people who believe in something. It doesn't make the belief a religion. My friends and I love 311. We wouldn't say we practiced 311-ism.Religion is a system of beliefs built around the worship of something, moral ideas, or philosophical beliefs (websters)--
I hate to burst your bubbles, but atheism is just as a much a religion as buddhism (which is a philosophy just like atheism), taoism, christianity, islam, darwinism or any other system of beliefs that helps a person make sense of life and themselves.
Every athiest has a god as well, they just either won't acknowledge it or they fail to see it-- a god is not just something that is openly worshiped and professed by the worshiper, it is also something that a person devotes his/her life to, and in effect "relies" on for their source of life. So the god of an athiest may be either money, nature, humanity or their own self. Most commonly atheists regard themselves as the highest being in the order (therefore they believe they are the supreme being).
Your idea of atheists not being able to exist because they say god doesn't exist is a strange philosophy-- there are alot of groups who say God exists, and alot of groups who say God doesn't exist. Whether God exists or not is not up to people to decide, but up to none other than.... God existing or not!
Believe in God, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain... when you die, if God doesn't exist then you're no different than the atheists or other religions and it won't matter anyway-- but if God does exist then you'll be very happy you believed in Him.- Leta Sposted 14 years ago0
Insurance policies are good for something huh?
I'd personally rather enjoy the ride the way it was intended
the food chain theory reminds me of my biology teacher-- he was real abusive with his teachings. He made me want to bury my head in the ground and hide until this pathetic puny existence withered away to dust... perhaps the wind will blow me away and some other fortunate soul will find a gold treasure awaiting.I get what you were saying previously--atheists may be unaware of actually believing..or even preaching what they believ. Get what atheists here are saying, too. Essentially, they have no need for a deity as previously established to live a decent and meaningful (or even not) life. Morality/ethics, ie, is separate from belief in God.
A nicer 'insurance' policy would be that any true God would forgive their disbelief/or even, reasoning.
This whole 'argument' is nothing but a game of words that both intend to use as presented thus far.
- \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago0
So - now you have stopped telling me what I should believe and are now telling me that what I don't believe is a religion.
And you wonder why people are reacting against you?
The only ones who say atheism is a religion are the ones who cannot conceive of life without a religion.
Much like keep on repeating that there is a god - this will not make it magically come true.Religions are based on prophets or the enlightened ones teachings on the Light.Atheist do not have a prophet or guru as such so it cannot be labeled as a religion.
I am telling you and the whole world.
So, I am a Christian who believes in evolution. Does that mean that I have two religions? Is that like dual nationality or something? By supporting evolution, I am saying that there is no god: By being a theist, I am saying that there is. My brain hurts.
Getting very perplexed by the whole thing.
I have two religions- hindu and parsee
best of both worlds Hey Sulfi- how does believing in evolution mean that there is no God? Maybe God created evolution to keep our world inhabitable. There is some truth to some ideas of evolution- However, human beings carry a special uniqueness about them that separates them from all of the other creatures on the planet (or in the universe, if you believe in aliens).
Mark I have never ever told you what you should believe.
You are coming to these Religion forums on your own free will.
Personally Mark I think you just like being called the high priest of atheism.
Mo mentioned another deity called shiva ho hum. Maybe you would prefer Mark ho hum?All is Shiva , Mark, you and ever human. If you understand god you will understand the meaning of shiva ho hum- I am shiva- I am god- truth which every human will understand .
Jesus- I am the Light = shiva ho hum- same thing.
I understand one thing be nice to Mark and he is nice to you, threaten him and he defends himself just like me, I hate being ordered or threatened.In that case only the enlightened ones should be allowed as they are the only ones to have come across god.
May be but you will definitely be disqualified
Ranked over the Bible and not allowed, who will be allowed? I guess only Jesus :)Actually in this case even he will be disqualified
Sure I guess your militant atheism has a right on these religion forums, in fact the HubPages administration has deemed your form of attack not to be attacks. You know similar to the League of the Militant Godless in communist Russia. But don't deny your form of militant atheism is not a religion. You even try to evangelize. In fact you even proselytize for the FSM.
LOL
So - how many times have you complained about me saying your beliefs are irrational and wrong?
Oh - I am sorry - attacking you.
Actually no I don't know anything about the Catholic insurgency masquerading as communists in an effort to wipe out the orthodox church.Wow you sure do have an active imagination Mark. You should start a religion, a second atheist denomination.
Some do.
They all do
Looks like that - I tend to believe insiders, Mike is no exception
Well that makes me wanna sign up right away
Sorry Mike, I just don't get what you're saying. Relating atheism to religion is just annoying. You know that. You can think what you want. Just like you not believing your religion is a "cult", atheists (and non) don't think they belong to a religion. We're not gonna get anywhere.- Ana Louisposted 14 years ago0
I totally agree-This argument is almost entirely meaningless.
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- you are just too good
Agreed - I am not an atheist, but it makes absolutely no difference to my life if somebody else is. Much more important things to worry about, like deciding what colour to paint the front room.
Maybe you could point out where I said that in this post UW.
Actually I have never posted in the health or family forums and I just posted my first post in the science forum about a half an hour ago.Raven, but not for everyone. Saying that God is love, source of life, fun and cool... is what He is to you. Mark was stating that Butterfly was raised to not ask questions. I think that anyone who does not question is just assuming the answer. I don't choose to live my life that way.
My response was too long. So now I'm writing a Hub.What a shame. No one can disprove a negative. So it must be true huh?
Don't want to bother you with any facts or anything.
Not a sinner here. But you believe you are worthless and need forgiveness if you want.
I posted a Hub. If anyone cares. I didn't go into too much detail. If I get lame comments like the ones in this forum I'm going to deny them, so don't even try me
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- Leta Sposted 14 years ago0
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Not all rational liberalists are atheists, necessarily, MM,
. Or see their political leanings as a failed belief system--they just file it in a certain place. There is a discussion on reading a certain playwright vs. climbing a set of stairs in there, I think...
The thing with the above screed is that it should not be taken as absolutist, or portions of it out of context, either. It is only asking questions....which I see as a good thing.
I have to.
My bottom line: I have no issue with those who have truly examined their life/mind/beliefs and come up with atheism or agnosticism. I'm not going to speak for God, (can't), but any idea I have of a God would see clearly enough not to have an issue with them, either. - Leta Sposted 14 years ago0
These kinds of posts can go on forever and typically turn nasty- it's the way of the world I guess...
There are a few things that can't be denied, no matter what your system of values/beliefs/philosophies/religions or gods tell you---- and that is the fact that we all die and we really don't fully understand the why's, what's and how's of life.
Trying to make sense of this life is where everyone has different conclusions based on previous experiences, teachers, mentors, ideals, traumatic events, spiritual enlightenments..blah-blah-blah-- and for reasons unknown, those conclusions are highly problematic to others who don't agree with them or who have had different experiences.
Since no person can really know what happens when you die (other than your body becoming a stinky pile of bacteria)- We are left with few options regarding "after-life":
1. We choose to ignore it and resign to the fate.
2. We form our own personal beliefs and hope for the best.
3. We follow the advice of others who seem to know a few things (usually our parents or wise professors).
4. We search and test different ideals/religions for suitability (which usually means reading books and having a "spiritual leader")
5. We beg gods (usually any god that would listen) to give us the answer/guidance/knowledge/protection or whatever, usually by means of self inflicted isolation, hunger-strikes (fasting) or desecrating ones self in an effort to gain enlightenment, or during traumatic events.
Well- here's more fodder for the folly
Nobody can find God- but you can hide from God, you can also respond to God-
Nobody can prove there is a God but God can prove Himself real to any person-
You'll never know the true meaning of your life until you die- although, you may find along the way that there really is a meaning to life.
I really think that atheists should try to understand those who believe in God just as believers should try to understand those who say their is no God. Similarly, believers of many gods should try to understand believers of one God, and vice-versa--
Everyone is searching for truth. If we all try to understand each other in that quest for truth then there may be a greater chance for the truth to be less hidden... or maybe we'll just have more wars and hatred, because the truth, when it's revealed, can be very, very hard to accept... do you agree?Understanding is sometimes a good reason to continue arguing.
Its called a debate which scholars have been doing for a very ,very long time
Sorry to shatter your argument, Paraglider, but my cat saw the light, shaved his head, and ran off to join the Hare Krishnas. He can now be found outside Athens airport.
This is a lie. Although it is interesting that you think can read all atheists minds and predict the future. Is that one of the free gifts for joining the cult you prefer?
Show me proof that god exists and I will change my tune.
But it has to be actual proof. As opposed to the sort of proof that begs the question, "how does this prove that god exists."Anything.
Glad I have managed to amuse you
I was referring to the highlighted part in MM's post. We posted at approximately the same time so I wasn't actually responding to what you said. I'm perfectly fine with inquiry and most everything you've said that I'm aware of
My point about "value" had to do with that it's impossible to tell what the author means by value without reading either his work or an interpretation of it. He is possibly making a much more nuanced point than the article as quoted by MM is making it out to be. In either case, without clarifying what the word means, we're agreeing that the parameters of something possibly specific considering its book-length don't matter.
I wasn't ever arguing that people who are religious are incapable of complex thought. I read many religious people fairly religiously, hehe. I respect the religious' views and their rights to it unless it distorts or infringes on something I hold dear. I think the Guide For the Perplexed is one of the most interesting complex books ever and it's nothing if not religious.Agreed, mostly.
Ah, it happens.
Tasted like chicken.
Don't make me go to the one with them. I would join up to avoid that.
Goody gumdrops.
Now you will get to spend eternity in heaven, listening to wholesome Christian Rock music for ever. Occasionally, if we feel a little naughty, we play charades and other sinless parlour games. You made the right choiceOf course my son.
Took me a while to find this one:
DUDE !!!!!!!! THATS MY BEAGLE !!!
Look at it this way - at least you know now.
Well - it is fair to say I am not "looking for proof," because I do not believe an external god such as you described as me being "happy" to have believed in when I die exists.
But - I think a burning chariot drawn by four white unicorns would probably do it. Or any of the proofs the bible talks about - moving mountains, bringing the dead back to life - that sort of stuff.
World peace would be nice. Although that is still one of those "how does this prove" ones, I would relent and start groveling or begging for forgiveness or whatever it is I have to do.I like Guru Nanaks quote-everyone is a master or to be master- enlightenment or the ultimate proof of god is bound to happen to every human soul,its a matter of time
Funny thing is that none of those things prove that God exists because a mountain can be moved by volcanic activity, the dead can be brought back to life by CPR and shock pads, and a burning chariot drawn by four white unicorns sounds like a serious mushroom trip to me-
you're not looking for proof is the concept I was talking about earlier to which you said I was a liar.
I can say that God exists but it has to do with my life and therefore it would not be proof to you, and you probably don't really give a rip to know how God has clearly proven Himself to me (and I'm not talking about inner tissues or positive energy) in very real, personable and amazing ways. But that's my experience and it's not scientific proof. If God came in the flesh and said He was God (and it turned out that He was), would you believe Him... I would venture to say not. So physical proof won't work.
I don't belong to a cult, by the way.Well, what you actually said was something entirely different. You said atheists would not accept proof if it was given.
As for the other stuff - why bother asking me what I would accept as proof if you are then going to argue with me. And yes - physical proof would work. Some random stranger coming and telling me he is god? Probably not going to work.
And no - I do not give a rip what occurrence you have decided proves to you a god exists.
As a matter of interest - how old are you?
And I am with Paraglider to a large extent. My mind is not full of fear - but I think fear is a healthy response in certain situations.
I understand you
"Why do I write I do not know,
It is only ink on paper to show."
I wish I could show the light to all.
Then there was this time a person I know was laughing at me and irritating me where it concerns the light, he kept saying you must have seen a tube light-nonsense.
The next moment there was light all around me and he said he will never laugh at me again .There is a reflection on the lens of your glasses in your photo that upon first look appears to be a white patch on your left eye, like the kind you'd get in the Emergency Room.
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