Is this the level of intelligence of Atheists?
I agree. I was simply saying that it was not the original intention of marriage, to then divorce. I also believe, and have seen, people who love God which believe in the holiness of marriage enough to stay even through the pain of a cheating spouse(not constant cheating, but an incident) I can't believe that God wouldn't reward that person likewise, and be pleased with them for working so hard to uphold the marriage to please Him. After all, God does make all things new.
This is what I meant. Not that God held it against you. I surely am aware of His compassion for His mercy endureth forever, as king David puts it in the Psalms.
Absolutely! My mom told me that last night, funny enough.
There are some people who can still make a marriage work even one of the spouses have cheated. I believe that it is important to know why the spouse cheated and what is wrong with marriage. Marriage counselling is a great thing.
I didn't mean to imply that I am a divorcee. I was speaking in general.Oh dear Claire, lol.. I wasn't pointing in about anything personal with you. no no.
That is your business. God knows and you know.
Tell your mom thank you for me.. lol j/kidnI'll tell my mom!
Still making up nonsense as you go along and calling it common sense. Hilarious.
Considering how high the divorce rate is amongst Christians, there is either a whole lot of murdering going on or a whole lot of common sense abounding.Still basing your arguement on claims I see.
We see your thought processes are full of short circuits.
Speaking of common sense, someone lacks the sense to do their research..
Jesus Christ said many shall call on His name and be rejected because they were liars using the name of Christianity as a comfort method or a social empowerment method. Hypocrites listening to prosperity preachers like Joel Olsteen and the like..
Your accusations are worthless and baseless because you have no knowledge to base it on.
A midget can claim NBA professional, guess your gullible enough to suck that lie up your uninformed straw too...
Goodness you people are more annoying than flies with the SAME posts as last year from other atheists..
How mant times do I have to disprove the SAME ridiculous accusations that MAKE NO SENSE WHATSOEVER? lol
That group of midgets telling you their dunks are getting better sure is going to leave everyone laughing at your newsflash....
Claims are claims, nots facts genius.. lol
We see who's making up nonsense.
Wonderful attempt though, but so not original......
Ugh, I need a fly swatter bad.
Yes, and I suppose the facts don't line up with the thousands of years of previous writing in the same regard..
That is a child like comparison, as if the whole world went nuts over a midget basketball team who could dunk, you would call them all liars.
The truth is it's the truth, because if it weren't true all the Christians wouldn't have been convinced because the witnesses they questioned wouldn't have anything to tell.
Paul writes of 500 people seeing the resurected Christ, and wrote it in a LETTER telling them to go ask the 500 people that seen.
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY BELIEVED THEM THENN??? They asked 500 people about it...
He didn't write a book title it Jesus the life changer and expect to get rich.
Like I said your ridiculous and grasping at straws..
Get over it. The facts are against you and your getting quite annoying.
Attacking me on a seperate post with completely different context is pathetic, but nice attempt.
Maybe your overlooking how gullible you are to yourself overlooking you having not done your research either little buddy.
And I said a FULL TEAM of ABSOLUTE GENETIC midgets.. not short people
Way to attempt changing how things look, goodness your methods are ANNOYING...- There are well over 500 documented cases of people being abducted by aliens, too. Over 500 cases of people seeing Bigfoot.
Your argument is nothing more than an Appeal to Belief.
Believers have nothing else but claims to their beliefs, hence they are the only things that can be argued.
Another unfounded claim. So what?
Like, the God knowledge you possess?
Gibberish.Back to no arguement?
It's cool, I know it's hard to admit even when you have the advantage of making anything up while I have to stick to pre-written words.
And you still have nothing, save babbling to conclude with laughy faces and nothing to laugh at.
Guess you don't think the universe follows laws and rules and patterns with structure TO THE T every time without a hiccup either do you?
How about it captain gibberish? What say you to the fact?You mean your gibberish is actually pre-written?
- Hilairious. It's as if those type of scenarios happen everyday to common folk and they must be prepared at all times to know exactly what to do based on Gods word.
In touch with the real world, indeed.
I have heard, believe myself, and still use that phrase in quotations above, ego has nothing to do with religion still being around and sounds quite unreasonable placed directly underneath the very quote I would reply to you with, but seems you know yet disregard..
And no, I have come to understand plenty that I don't know much of anything and admit it easily, but that gives me a capability you overlook, which is to go beyond and to learn more than is generally accepted that one is able.
Not only this, BUT, you are a single perspective in a world of not trillions of perspectives, but countless perspectives, for we may attempt to number humanity's impact in numbers all we like, yet scientists refuse to admit that their astronomical number approximations are astronomically innacurate.
I have experiences in my mind still fresh, and others do as well I'm more than certain, that changed their life which is the cause of the effect of their boldness to, irregardless of the countless ways they are formed to look ignorant and stupid which should say tons to anyone with sensibilities, profess with their mouths that God is real, due to their OWN experiences which they cannot pass into your mind, especially those minds which REFUSE to hear as you portray Kikilari above.
Athiests have NO experience with God being real.
Theists HAVE experiences with God being real.
You have NOTHING to tell SAVE your general knowledge of things you CAN'T see.
I have PLENTY to tell INCLUDING my general knowledge of things I CAN see.
Also, friend, advice seems to be seldom practiced it seems by those who boldly employ it.That's an honest reply, thank you.
If you were truly saved, then your current situation will not be a problem, as your 'sins' (including rejecting Christ in your 'confusion') were forgiven.
I have had my dark moments of the soul, when I have doubted my belief, we all have, but mine have always been driven away by the Holy Spirit falling on me at some point, or from witnessing Gods intervention in my life.
I also had the advantage of starting off in adult non belief and slowly coming to faith, via working for the other team, which made my decision less emotive based, more formed from necessitation.
Like I often say, I was a defector, not a convert!
OK, can see that now, here is what you ended up saying:
Which in itself is a reasonable statement, and which I replied as follows:
So, having spent some time on the Ex Christians website, I agree, they are now firmly convinced that whatever they experienced it was a delusion, and having reached that conclusion now live comfortably with their unbelief, and that's fine by me, because as in all things, scripture told us that this would happen in the end times:
2 Thessalonians 2 1:17
BUT RELATIVE to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah) and our gathering together to [meet] Him, we beg you, brethren,
Not to allow your minds to be quickly unsettled or disturbed or kept excited or alarmed, whether it be by some [pretended] revelation of [the] Spirit or by word or by letter [alleged to be] from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has [already] arrived and is here.
Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come] , and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition),
Who opposes and exalts himself so proudly and insolently against and over all that is called God or that is worshiped, [even to his actually] taking his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.
Do you not recollect that when I was still with you, I told you these things?
And now you know what is restraining him [from being revealed at this time]; it is so that he may be manifested (revealed) in his own [appointed] time.
For the mystery of lawlessness (that hidden principle of rebellion against constituted authority) is already at work in the world, [but it is] restrained only until he who restrains is taken out of the way.
And then the lawless one (the antichrist) will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by His appearing at His coming.
The coming [of the lawless one, the antichrist] is through the activity and working of Satan and will be attended by great power and with all sorts of [pretended] miracles and signs and delusive marvels--[all of them] lying wonders--
And by unlimited seduction to evil and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing (going to perdition) because they did not welcome the Truth but refused to love it that they might be saved.
Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false, in order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe in [who refused to adhere to, trust in, and rely on] the Truth, but [instead] took pleasure in unrighteousness.
But we, brethren beloved by the Lord, ought and are obligated [as those who are in debt] to give thanks always to God for you, because God chose you from the beginning as His firstfruits (first converts) for salvation through the sanctifying work of the [Holy] Spirit and [your] belief in (adherence to, trust in, and reliance on) the Truth.
[It was] to this end that He called you through our Gospel, so that you may obtain and share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah).
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions and instructions which you were taught by us, whether by our word of mouth or by letter.
Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, Who loved us and gave us everlasting consolation and encouragement and well-founded hope through [His] grace (unmerited favor),
Comfort and encourage your hearts and strengthen them [make them steadfast and keep them unswerving] in every good work and word.
---------------
Taking this into account, believers welcome the apostasy (which) comes first [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come]
It's encouraging to see scripture confirmed and know that as believers our redemption draws near.
John
many Christians are former atheists..
suppose thats 'different' though huh? lol
your point is invalid friend. they attest themselves 'no God' therefore validating what i have wrote by their own testimony.In other words, they knew they were lying to themselves if they claimed to have had "experienced Christ and the Holy Spirit"
Falling prey to honesty leaves one empty and disillusioned? Obviously, one's mind would have to be so empty already if all it contained was dishonesty in the first place.
- AKA Winstonposted 13 years ago
0Blah, blah, blah...
Have you no other route to explanation than questioning?
This mirage of mess is redundant which you use, as the methods leave you unaccountable for anything.
Why, also, do you feel the need to poke at one?? Are there not plenty here who believe in what your questions are in regard to?
Seriously?
What are YOUR claims, and where is YOUR evidence?
Where lies the reasoning and logic to spend alllll your days trying to write on reeds and animals skins with charcoal and water in a feather in order to lie to a world you dare not see in 20 or forty years??
What in the world could his motivation be to tell these things but they are true?
Insanity?? Oh, well I suppose there was a disease floating around that just hit those with writing capabilities, which weren't common in that time, and that were intellectual enough to explain things consistently and kindly, umm, even though he were insane?
Your attacks on the credibility are getting ridiculous, and your logic is severely flawed.. ridiculous is more what it generally is as your sarcasm shows lack of thought or reasoning, and lack of anything to write at all, save your imagination's productions.
Making anyone out to be a liar is easy, keep going with your posts doing it and I'll give you an example. If you ask nicely.i guess majority of the world is 'delusional' just because you've never seen anything beyond your hand? lol
the things gone unseen for decades and denied for years by most are now admitted to.
radio waves were once denied in a court of law as true, now we know that was asinine.
YOU are the court, I am the man protesting radio wave existence.
now, you can continue your denial without further interuption, including denial of my statements facts for lack of knowledge of the occurance in historical recorded documents.
by all means, continue.
No God? But everything follows rules?
Why, people can't get their computers to run consistently with all their might and effort and INTELLIGENCE, yet nothing in the universe ever breaks a rule, save people and their devices..
I suppose there are no laws either that govern existence and the physical materials therein? Or rules that govern the patterns within substances which create the structure thereof?
Or protocols which dictate in what way one element of the system acts in relation to the other with accurate and precise consistency?
What say you almighty dictator of truth?
Without the past, you had no future.
You didn't create the past, and you only experience the future.
The world will still spin, the stars have nowhere to fall, but the mystery of God, will stay mystery to those who know it all.
Thoughts for food.
People do not want to accept the teachings or faith of Jesus Christ,because in order to do so they must also accept they are a sinner and that they need Christs forgiveness.
The biggest lie that Satan has ever told is that God doesnt exist and he can use whatever means he wants to perpetrate that lie.
Intellects are a pushover because he uses ego combined with a few facts and before you know it many intellectuals are now virtual scientific professors
Get rid of pride and ego,replace it with humilty and grace , then one would be amazed at just how insignificant one is in the great scheme of things.Very well stated Kiwi. Humility is the first step in accepting the Lord as our personal savior.
You would first have to show there is such a thing a "spiritually alive"
<--- coveted double laughie award
Said the pot to the kettle.
If believers did think, they wouldn't be believers. Unfortunately, what they believe and say affects others, societies and mankind, negatively.
Of course, I understand believers wish to spread the Gospel unfettered, negatively impacting others in order to fulfill their selfish needs. And, that is precisely why you would rather we just go away.
- Chasukposted 13 years ago0
To closed minded individuals who claim 'everything' is a pretense.
One finger pointing forward, three pointing backwards and the thumb holding them there!!!!
Well thank you Trouble! Gotta love you!
- Believers and their personal insults.
They must really, really, really feel intelligent.That is their problem, not mine.
And, I do understand why their ire's are raised, it is because believers are unable to distinguish their ideals and beliefs from their arms and legs. To them, they are one and the same, but of course, that is an obvious logical fallacy.
If I were to call someone fat, ugly or and idiot, I am insulting them "personally" but if I were to say their beliefs and statements were irrational, dishonest, false or utterly ridiculous, I am criticizing and mocking those beliefs and statements, which have nothing to do with them personally.That's too bad, isn't it? Of course, believers could care less if they tell others they will burn in hell for an eternity, or tell us that having abortions or using contraceptives is blasphemous, or deriding homosexuals... the list goes on and on as to what believers find acceptable, but if anyone criticizes their irrational beliefs that drive them to tell us those things, it's highly offensive.
Hilarious hypocrisy.
Yes, you are free to ridicule any belief I hold, that is, if you can actually find one. But, that would just mean you're ridiculing reality and understanding.
But hey, feel free to do so.
- CJ Sledgehammerposted 13 years ago0
Here, reply to me.
There is a creator.
Your wrong.
Bam. See I can do i too. lol
I recently was told to 'let the little children come'.
no mention of headstrong......
This adds to some of my studies on logic and full account as well.
you certainly dropped a sledgehammer.
Thank you.Yes, those who imagine gods and demons swirling round their heads within the thin air considers others who understand the world around them as fools.
How else to better serve their superiority and defend their irrational beliefs?Should I collect the objective lacking insults just from this thread alone and see just how big the post is when I'm done?
- Of course, magical thinking makes anything possible within ones imagination, but not beyond it.
A tired, old argument long refuted with very simple arguments.- Earnest could have taken two Ex-Lax and cr*pped a better argument than you've ever spewed in your attempts at rationalizing the existence of your invisible, imaginary, boogeyman.
And many of us are extremely happy not to have your mindset!
No one is enslaved but you and your fellow fundies. End of story.
You mean guilty before proven innocent?
Thought the way the court seen it was the right way?
Innocent until proven guilty.
Yeah, that's the problem.
You distrust first, because your kind is distrustful.
Your too used to everyone lying so everything must be a lie.
Politicians, Presidents, Drama Shows.
Who DOESN'T lie right?
God.
You pick it apart before you ever understand it, because you treat everything as lie lie lie.
So how then can you ever distinguish what is true? You haven't got anything to analyze but the amazing facts of the story that you 'just can't believe' and you think YOUR verdict is right?
Play chess against a super computer. You will lose.
Why? Because it will take into account every move. Full account.
And will conclude correctly on it's choice on that basis alone against you, and will provide you with the conclusion your choices were incorrect.
Why? Because your account was Partial and not a Full Account. Therefore your analysis incomplete. As well, your Conclusion.
Incomplete Conclusions are Conclusions lacking Details. Details which alter the Relative Information you do have.
But you can't see the Relative Connections because you don't even have all of the Details...
You didn't obtain a full account, you lost the chess game, and you are blind to the fact that you are blind.
Why ask any questions? If it doesn't fit 'seeable' or 'touchable' it's already a lie.
And therefore you will dismiss it and continue to build your 'empty' account of 'nothing' that you built out of 'some' of the details....
Whatever Winston.
You must be joking me...
No. I think I know exactly why you deny it.
Me too CJ, just ignore the trolls and only comment where there are signs of intelligence, except when you want to wind up a troll!
You just said in an above post "What made you assume a beginning for matter?"
::ahem:: - Correction: lol
No one agrees with you, and they all think it's 'illogical' that matter has no beginning.
Big Bang - Creation = Either way you go you're screwed. lol
There IS a beginning. And you didn't use 'reason' or 'logic' to conclude otherwise.
Humanity is against you friend. Give up.lol
Let me help..
Time: is a tool - A 'measuring' tool.
'Measurements' have: a Beginning and an End.
There. Confusing made simple. - oh dear- lol
Events.......
Don't worry, it gets even deeper than that. Want the sub-categories??
You going to act like you were aware of that now?
You give ME the sub-categories! LOL [they aren't on wiki either]
I like how you act like you're teaching me something..
You're alright Jomine. A little nutty, but I can deal.
You crack me up....
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I'm just a human buddy. That's your excuse?
The standard is Jesus Christ. Not me.
You people crack me up.. I could die laughing at your high school postings....
Reminds me of the kid that said 'well jimmy done it first!'...
No.. That's called an excuse. I'm sure YOUR perfect though right?
And yes, my name is vector7.
Three clone posts.. what a waste of thread space..
No, I get agitated.. Anyone see why? Ohh looky.. Useless finger pointers without a neuron of perspective on the OP.. lol
Peace blackart.
Hi there.
It is people like you that I was hoping to attract to this thread.
Please tell us why we should become atheists.
Or, present arguments that actually give us content, value and meaningful discussion, instead of the likes of the OP.
(Sincere request
)
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