We have had a Catholic president, a black president, and a fat president (Taft got stuck in the bathtub at the White House). Women have at least made it on the ticket as VP.
But what about an atheist?
Nope...And with the thinking in this country...We probably never will, no matter how good of a platform one might would have.
What do you mean by "the thinking in this country" I might ask.
Russia has had atheists in charge.
Why not the United States?
Everyone thinks this country is based on christianity and isn't secular. I would doubt very seriously if a proclaimed Atheist would ever be voted into office.
Not true, only 84% of Americans think that America is a Christian nation, according to latest figures...
I agree, why should the majority have an right to affect who runs the country?
The majority does say who gets elected...Part of how this wonderful country works...But a personal belief or lack there of doesn't make one a better leader than another...
Leading a country is similar to leading a business...It is either successful and profits or it fails and bankrupts...There are rules in place to ensure that a business is successful and runs smoothly for ALL employees involved...and the same should be done with a country... No religious beliefs required...
There is also the right of the employer NOT to employ anyone they feel will act contrary to the best interests of their business.... just saying.
Does a persons religious beliefs have an affect on a company success in the business world? What about their actions and/or knowledge?
I think the actions and knowledge play a huge role in the success of a company and what a person does religiously on their own time means little to my companies success. But if that belief is brought to the work place and impedes work being completed (for any reason)...Then it becomes a problem for my company.
Well I guess that would depend on the persons belief.
If someone wanted to insist that ALL employees must salute the flag and join in communal prayer, they would be very wrong, but equally if a number of employees wanted to do just that, but a small number, maybe just one, wanted to ban that from the workplace, then they would also be wrong.
I know of Christian run company's who do pray before starting work, they employ non believers (how else could those folk be shown how Christ works?) and if those non believers wanted to not pray, no problem, as long as they don't try to insist that nobody prays.
I don't care how or what people do, as long as it isn't made a requirement for me to do if I don't agree...
But we see alot of this happening...
Because a majority don't agree with Gay marriage...We can't have Gay marriage...Why not make it legal...And those who wish to do it...do it and those who don't....don't...
Same with Abortions and a number of other "touchy" topics...
It comes down to a person's rights...I often think we are blocking some peoples rights in support of our own personal beliefs...
(I don't agree with abortions and a bunch of other things, but I just don't do them and leave it up for others to decide those things for themselves)
Agreed, what anyone believes has no bearing on what the world wants to do with their laws and customs.
The world is separated from the Kingdom, and will always be, folk can step from one to the other, but they can never mix one with the other, at least not successfully, and not in Gods eyes.
If believers expect freedom to worship, they need also to accept that the world can do as it wants.
Not condone it, but not try to stop it either, except maybe by persuasion, not force or legislation.
Maybe one day we will figure it all out...
We can always hope and teach our children respect for all and maybe one day it will actually change.
...and there lies the rub, when I was left alone to raise my son, the only sound advice I found was in Proverbs 22:6
"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."
He's a youth pastor in NYC now, working with deprived kids.
Does he threaten them with hell if they don't believe what you believe and tell them they will bend their knee to Jesus as Lord when he returns?
Are they real scared of Jesus coming back?
When is that again? I know "time is short people!" You better get believing or else!
Is he as self righteous as you are?
So - time is not short people?
Awww - is he a liar like you as well? Color me confused. Is time short before Jesus comes back or not? Will He make us bend our knees and accept him as Lord or not? Will us unbelievers who blaspheme the Holy Spirit be burned or not?
Tell me what to do Daddy!
I could tell you what to do Mark, but unless you are extremely well hung you would not be able to accomplish it.
As for answers to your 'questions' read my hubs, the answers you seek are there.
Now pop down to your local cafe and have a strong coffee and maybe a French ciggie and calm down, then go ask for you meds to be rebalanced.
Nice - veiled insults. You must be a Christian - right? Love the passive/aggresive stuff you guys put out. Reminds me why I rejected your hypocrtical religion in the first place. Thanks.
Me calm down? Odd - you are the one warning us that time is short and Jesus is coming back to judge us!
This is why your beliefs cause so much ill will. Sorry if the truth hurts so badly you choose to ignore it and deny what I say.
Must really hit the spot huh?
I have read the twaddle in your hubs. Scare mongering does not work on me, Daddy. Plus your hubristic self righteousness is rather difficult to swallow - I certainly will not be trying to re-read them.
Mark, my insults were only veiled so that you could not report me for using foul language.
You seem to have made it your life's work to stalk me in forums and attack whenever you can, so be it, I take it as a compliment that the 'enemy' who pulls your strings views me as such a threat, good we seem to be getting on target.
Your readings of my hubs will not be missed, my reads speak for themselves, and as I do not produce commercial hubs designed to make profit, it's good enough for me that my readers enjoy and are edified by what I write.
Actually I don't write for you or any secularist to read and enjoy, most of my reads come from all over the world and are from people of faith who agree with and/or are challenged by what I write.
Now you are welcome to continue stalking me and producing the same lame old remarks, but why waste your life?, nobody bothers to agree with you and since most of your 'tag team' have either left HubPages or died, you are the voice of one whining in the wilderness.
In thinking about it, please carry on, my stats improve when I get folk like you attacking me!
I don'y recall attacking you. All I did was ask you a kwestion. You are the one attacking unbelievers and threatening them.
Yes - I understand you insult and attack me - like wot your religion says to do.
Thanks once again for validating my opinion of you and your beliefs.
I am not challenged by what you write. Offended and insulted? I suppose so. The only challenge is swallowing your self righteousness. That is always hard to get down.
Reading this, it appears you believe any who disagree with you are guided by Satan. How sad. You must have spent too much time in Claire's threads.
Get some coffee. Clear your head.
And, just a note. It's you who pointed out you had the right to comment when someone posted thoughts contrary to your own. I doubt you, or anyone, thinks you are stalking.
Your whole post to Mark garners an in the grand scheme of hubbing.
No, not any, most are just disagreeing, no problem with that, it's why we are here, to discuss points and agree or disagree, but there are some who are clearly motivated beyond mere disagreement, and Mark is chief amongst them in his persistent and inanely boring repetitions, which serve no purpose.
Self righteous, believe me I know my faults, and like a friend of mine just put on FB:
"I'm not going to get there (heaven) because I'm good, and I'm not going to not get there because I'm bad"
I'm going because of Jesus!"
Mark just plays the same old worn out record, and frankly I don;t bother hearing what he says anymore, he ran out of credibility ages ago.
Maybe because when I reply, I actually address the issues being discussed?
Though I make an exception for Mark and that other guy (may have been one and the same) Troubled man, who seems to have disappeared since Mark resumed his post as the atheist in residence.
When they post nothing but some inane crack with smileys , I agree that sadly I reply in like manner, maybe I will just ignore them in future.
If you say so... must be right!
We agree on one point. The pointless, in your face, get irritating.
Then we are finally content to agree on SOMETHING
I also find the use of bad grammar and 'ghetto' spelling tiresome and futile.
Well, that high horse is as.pointless as any. But, I assume it is just a tool in the arsenal. I preferred him as evolution guy. The whole persona fit better with that avatar. The guy kept me rolling on the floor.
Wait a minute. Claire said all world leaders are Satan worshipers. I don't think atheists believe in Satan, so they probably don't have a shot at the oval office.
Ahh yes... And there is this point as well...
Wow! So, God appoints Satan Worshippers into positions of leadership?!? Counterproductive, much?
Romans 13: vs1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
vs2 Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
Damn, well we better obey these Satan Worshippers!
Mostly folk do.
Mostly folk deny that the enemy exists, makes for easy pickings!
We get the government we deserve, when we turn from God (which mostly we have) we get duff governments, but we still need to obey them UNTIL they countermand the words of God, then we have the ability to do no more than 'humour' them.
I'm thinking of putting a hub out about being an 'outlaw' which will cover this aspect.
Sounds like a good hub to me, about being an "outlaw" I mean.
Why isn't disbelief a significant unifying factor for atheists? They could start a revolution.
Like atheist Denis Diderot said, "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."
Well, who would atheists want to be president? The atheists on this forum, for example, who belittle Christians. I mean, would they really want someone who professes to be Christian as president?
There are prominent atheists who have served in public office who have expressed an interest in running for president. Take Jesse "The Body" Ventura, the former governor. He convinced his backers wrestling is real. I could see the atheists on this forum supporting him for the presidency.
It's a little difficult to categorize atheists as a voting bloc, as we're a rather diverse bunch. The only thing that really unites us is a disbelief, and the rest of our philosophies don't necessarily bunch up anywhere. A bit like herding cats, really. Different things about different candidates are likely to appeal to different atheists. Some things may, on a limited number of topics, find us in a consensus, but otherwise, atheists tend to be all over the continuum.
Glad to hear that!
Sounds a mite like Churchianity, 38,000 branches agreed in their basic belief but all over the place when it comes to unity of action or thoughts.
Guess the politicos are safe for a while longer, but imagine if there could be common consensus based purely upon who was THE best candidate to 'serve' the people.... believers and non believers putting aside their differences to ensure that government was actually controlled by the people, in the best interests of ALL.
Nah... just a dream!
Since most US presidents are sociopaths then it would be quite easy to pretend to hold Christian beliefs. For example Mitt Romney who is a Mormon, who says he is Christian.
Prophecy #5 says that the US is to be overthrown by Mormoms. The early LDS kept moving west outside the US - partly because they were ran out, partly because they felt the US was evil.
http://www.quora.com/Which-US-President … tendencies
BTW during the birth of the US nation, "the founders had a deep respect for the spiritual urge in man. They believed that religious experience was an intensely personal one, and they were historically mindful of the ease with which religious tended to be arrayed against each other, often at the expense of religion itself." - Norman Cousins, editor, In God We Trust, p. 9.
I thought prophecy #5 was that Joseph Smith said the Mormons would find treasure in Salem, and #3 was that the US would be overthrown by Mormons in a few years. That was over 150 years ago. No matter, different people probably number them differently, although it doesn't appear that they came to pass.
Good thing the prophecies about Jesus contained in the Bible have been spot on.
The perception that religiosity count in order for one to become President - this is not backed up by research/data. People are more intelligent than that
(I hope am right). Actions and lip service are not congruent most of the times.
To answer the question about an athiest president, my answer would be Thomas Jefferson and there's evidence suggesting that Lincoln was to.
"When religious people quarrel about religion, or hungry people about their victuals, it looks as if they had not much of either about them" (Works, Vol. vii., p. 438). - Benjamin Franklin
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