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It must be nice

  1. mischeviousme profile image59
    mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago

    It must be nice to believe something, to accept it so innocently, naively.
    Without the burden of proof, the reasoning and rational, that comprize the adult mind. To be as a child is fun, to live as a child must be hell. To never know logic and to only assume truth, based on the writings and words of another, taught by those that only wish to gain a following. It must be nice to never face one's own mortality, to fear an imaginary place and aspire to another. Fear and pride are strange bed fellows, together they lead to suffering, apart, they are only words.

    1. Jason Marovich profile image87
      Jason Marovichposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It was a battle within myself for me to accept Christ.  I hope you don't assume all believers are naive and ready to believe the first thing that comes along.  Mine was a years long process of reading and listening.  My beliefs were more in line with Judaism when I was exposed to Jesus Christ.

      It was a study of His life, His death, and His resurrection, along with accepting that God was here before man, that led me to Him.

      Most people that know me consider me to have a keen mind.  Not an easily trusting sort.  Amazing how God can reach out to anyone at anytime, and win them over to His purpose.

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    Emile Rposted 5 years ago

    Unfortunately, the statement is simply your perception. The question is, why do you feel the need to view it this way? Would it be fair, in your opinion, if others viewed your conclusions with such negativity? If so, why? If not; why not?

    1. mischeviousme profile image59
      mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I prefer any opinion... It is a baiting tactic, the intended purpose of which is to introduce a form of reasoning. I said nothing hateful in the above statement, though I admit it is a bit harsh.

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        Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Right. That makes perfect sense. So, here's my opinion.

        You misunderstand the meaning of the statement in the text where Christ speaks of becoming like children. It has nothing to do with being naive and illogical. Think about the positive attributes of children.

        Children don't judge you. They accept you for who you are. They love you unconditionally. They do take things at face value, when they are positive things. Negative things....they willingly seek to accept a positive spin.  They are not closed to alternative opinions, and willingly learn.

        Imagine if we could do that. Would the world be a better place?

        1. mischeviousme profile image59
          mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I know where I stand... right in the middle. I have no one God, yet I have no gods at all. I see what I believe, as a making of my own imaginings and perceptions.

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            Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            So, what does that have to do with the OP? You belittle other opinions, in order to raise yours up? How are you different from the ones you hope to mock? Can you prove your stance? Are you not as naive as the next person?

        2. jonnycomelately profile image86
          jonnycomelatelyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          "They are not closed to alternative opinions, and willingly learn."

          Wow! Emile!  Would that EACH of us could become as a little child, don't you think?

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            Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Definitely. I'm sure you meant that with sincere sarcasm, but I wholeheartedly agree. What we have to keep in mind is that they are all simply opinions, so the only learning that will take place is a better understanding of each other. Sorry if my 'in your face' style offends you. I dislike hypocrisy. I'll point it out when I see it and apologize when I recognize it in my own posts. smile

        3. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
          Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Im not sure mischevous was referring to christs saying about being like a child.

          I think he was making a comparison with the blind trust and belief because if you look at children, they all have it.

          As for you claiming that he is mocking, he only pointed out that blind belief and trust in anothers words is exaclty what children have.

          You should never be offended by the truth.

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            Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The truth doesn't offend me. smile

            You might read the OP again. It says that those who believe in anything do it without rational or reasonable thought. It lacks logic.

            I simply pointed out that he falls into the same category. As do you and I. What any of us think, on a cosmic scale, is the result of reading the words of others. Coming to conclusions from our thoughts on the words. And why do people bother to share their thoughts in books, seminars or sermons? To convince others. To gain a following. No one can claim truth, except the most egotistical.

            So, tell me. What is truth on the cosmic scale? It's a matter of opinion. And you know what they say about those?

            1. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
              Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I simply say "I dont know". I dont claim to know, I dont claim to hold any truth that I cannot demonstrate to be true.

              Unfortunately, in my experience, and maybe in mischeivous' experience as well, theists tend to ignore plenty of logical and reasonable explanations and favour the assumation that it must all make sense even if they cant understand it because they think they know the truth.

              I am not saying that  all theists are like this, but in my experience, a lot are.

              smile

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                Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Maybe they are. Maybe they aren't. Is it reasonable, logical or rational to say they all are?

                Ask the same question about any philosophical or religious stance you disagree with. Does it make sense to blindly claim any who agree with the person you disagree with is irrational, illogical and naive?

                He's already admitted to baiting. He simply hasn't presented a rational, logical or reasonable explanation as to why he felt the need to do it.

                1. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
                  Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  If someone is ignoring rational and logical reasons then how can you say that they are being logical and rational?

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                    Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You'd have to give me an example of what you consider illogical and unreasonable. I do consider the OP unreasonable, as stated. Illogical to boot.

                  2. Barbara Kay profile image86
                    Barbara Kayposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I think you'd be surprised that many continue in their faith because of the experiences they encounter. They make it the logical and rational thing to believe.

              2. Disappearinghead profile image85
                Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                JWH, you say you don't know and you don't claim to know, and you also imply that theists don't know either. So you both start off from the same place essentially of not knowing. But here you criticise the theist for claiming they know the truth.

                Well the theist is at least having a go even if ultimately they might be wrong. They haven't said they don't know and stopped there. So who do you think is happier, the one that says they don't know and goes no further, or the one who has explored beyond the provable and is content?

                1. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
                  Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Who is happier is totally irrelevant. Why on earth do people insist on bringing emotions on to the debate as if it bears some sort of relevance on the truth?

                  Claiming to hold the truth is not "having a go". Are you saying that because I dont claim to hold the truth I am not "having a go" at finding out?

                  That is a pretty odd assertion.

                  1. Disappearinghead profile image85
                    Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    My observation is that I have seen some agnostics criticise theists for sharing their beliefs whilst they themselves are content to sit on the fence.

                  2. Bob Zermop profile image87
                    Bob Zermopposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Happiness has everything to with it. What is the purpose of religion, or to extend this, the meaning of life? As an atheist, I believe it's simply to find happiness and I respect all religions that don't encroach on indvl rights. For me, atheism is the only thing that makes sense, but if it doesn't make sense to someone else, who am I to judge? Bible thumpers and the atheist equivalent are equally wrong.

  3. Bob Zermop profile image87
    Bob Zermopposted 5 years ago

    Think I see where Emile R is going. Do you mean that at  a certain point, you can't know who's really right? Like whether I just can't see something you can, or I'm misunderstanding, or to really pull it to an extreme, go all Descartes and "I think, therefore I am" and that's it?
    Well personally I believe in truth and reality, and I'm also an atheist, so I don't agree with Christians or Muslms or Buddhists or any other religion. But in gov. and society I respect the rights of everyone to believe as they wish. I'm pretty sure Hitler really, really believed he was right, along with Mao Zedong and Stalin.

 
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