Many say that the Bible predictions have been fulfilled, have they? Is the 2012 just another Y2K or is it just the end of a calender or the world?
I take any dated endings with due suspicion.
Christians are told of an imminent return by Christ for the Church, so, in a sense, we coud be gone tomorrow (I doubt it though).
So, for Mayans to get it right is a bit far fetched, but it makes for a great script for a movie.
(Didn't really enjoy that one much!)
Watching world events and trends, however, seems to point to us living well and truly in the last of the last days.
What makes the Christian "knowledge" superior to that of the Mayans? Particularly as they have been saying the end is imminent for a thousand years?
At least the Mayans haven't been proven wrong once each year for two millennia.
Who said it was superior?
Read my post. If an opinion is sought by the OP, that's what I gave.
It's no life transforming doctrine, just my way of viewing the idea of the end of days.
Sorry - I read it as the Christians have an idea of Christ coming back so the Mayan idea is far fetched as it doesn't take that into account, but would make a great fictional story.
Yes it would (make a good fictional story), but then it would become a true story AFTER it happens!
What do you mean "much like".
That's exactly what I was saying.
My apologies - as happens too often, I have misinterpreted your words and did not catch that you were treating the bible as the same kind of fiction the mayans presented.
Sometimes these things go right over my head for some reason and this was one of them.
According to the Christians it's supposed to be unknown. Revelation says that Jesus too doesn't know when it's going to happen and only God The Father knows it.
The 21st december 2012 nonsense is a misinterpretation of a mayan calender. It didn't come from the bible.
Seriously dude, do you have a comprehension problem, or maybe you are dyslexic?
The post never claimed 2012 was from Christian teaching!
So why are the bible prophecies mentioned? Do YOU have a comprehension problem or are you just an insulting arse?
Sorry, I can't help you.
Perhaps you should get sober first, re read the post (op), and you will see that Christian views and 2012 Mayan calendar are NOT related, other than by their commonality of the end of the world.
If you new anything about Bible prophecy, eschatology and doctrine, you would know that we are neither able nor permitted to "name the date and time" of the end.
PS, please tone down the name calling!
It's the end of the long count calendar. Or, who knows. Maybe the end of the world. Either way, we might as well continue on...business as usual. What could possibly be gained by fretting over it?
I'd be surprised if monotheists found a way to buy into the Mayan prophecy, though. Imagine a culture that believed in human sacrifice accurately predicting the end of the world. It would tend to imply that believers in Y-H and Allah were less informed than another ancient religion, on a cosmic scale.
Yes, of course. The earth, and mankind, still exist and that is all that necessary for the possibility of end times.
In addition, though, all the prophecies of both the bible and Nostradamus have been fulfilled; all one has to do to clearly see this is interpret them properly. Change the meaning of the words from what they say to what fits the facts of history.
We are doomed!
Those prophesy which Jesus spoke of being fulfilled were those which had already been written at that time
And Then ... John wrote the book of Rev. which spoke of those prophesy which he had witnessed being fulfilled and he wrote of those things which were being fulfilled at that time .. and then he wrote of things which were to happen in the future.
Many of those prophesy which is said to be of future events (back in 96 AD) are now in our past.
I can not imagine it being any other way.
Think about it. How many times is it written that when one of these prophetic events happened that "They didn't repent” and then God sent the next event".
How can 21 judgments (seals, trumpets and bowls) all happen within 3 1/2 years on earth; and we be able to tell when one ended and another began?
Not to mention, having enough time to repent between them.
Point being .. I think the end of days as Jesus represented them did in fact come to fulfillment around 138 AD,
And the last days of indignation as foretold in the book of Revelation Chapter 16 are upon us. The first bowl was poured out in the 14th century when the bubinic plague kills 1/2 to 2/3s of the population of Europe and Asia. Some theologians believe that WWI marks the time of the sixth bowl being poured out.
Sorry about that.
The OP was about the "end of times" so I guess I presumed ?
It is my belief that the 42 months of the Beast in Rev. C 13 calculates as being finished around that time.
Oh i didnt mean you, i was asking the one who started this thread
That's OK .. I thought you were and that would have been an appropriate question.
I think that 42 months began approx. 1644 years ago and will be coming to an end in the next few years. Maybe the poster is thinging along those lines whether they applied the calculations or not.
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