Would a christian worship Hitler?

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   nonto21posted 12 years ago

   God is a genicidal maniac and his record makes Hitler look like a saint.
   
   Now I'm not trying to start a haulocaust debate, I'm just comparing one maniac to another. God killed way more people than any human ever could, yet Hitler is worse?

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      ptosisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The belief is that before you die, if you accept JC into you life, blah blah blah that you have an automatic ticket to heaven. So after Hitler shot himself, perhaps in his last few dying seconds he did all that in his small black heart of his - then a Christian would say - yes he is in heaven.
      
      This idea of forgiveness is the cause all of the nasty things people do yet are able to still sleep at night. Native Hawaiians didn't have a word for 'thank you', or 'I'm sorry'. Words don't cut it, actions do.
      
      (BTW mahalo does not mean garbage nor 'thank you', it means "I admire you")
      
      

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   Emile Rposted 12 years ago

   Would an atheist worship Stalin? He was, after all, a very well known atheist, and killed more people than Hitler.
   
   Or, perhaps, you'd like a trinity. How about Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot? I think, combined, they killed more people than God.

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      nonto21posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The entire population of earth, except a few individuals? Stalin mao and hitler never wanted to kill everyone, they just wanted people to see it their way. Much like the popes of the past and any other christian leader, before and after the dark ages.

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         Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I would agree that those three were no different from any other blood thirsty, power hungry, individual. But that wasn't the question.
         
         I was curious if an atheist would worship them.

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            nonto21posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Not today's atheists.

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               Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               That implies you think atheists in the past might have. Interesting.
               
               So, why would you think a Christian would worship Hitler? Don't you think Christians find man's inhumanity toward man as appalling as you do?

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                  nonto21posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Atheists aren't even called atheists anymore, now their called humanists. It's mostly because of the inhumanities, spurned by theological differences. So maybe a communist atheist might agree with those monsters but, today there are laws that inhibit such behavior. So, todays atheists  would have nothing to with them.

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                  ptosisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't know, all I know is that not swearing, not drinking, and not eating meat does not make you a good person, (Hitler) - just as going to church doesn't, (traitor Robert Hanssen was in Opus Dei)
                  
                  The church priests were part of the state oppression in East Germany, U.S.S.R, Argentina and the Pope himself. Personally I find it disgusting that an entire edifice of pedophiles can excuse themselves of despicable betrayals by faith.
                  
                  

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                     Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I respect Catholics, but I don't understand them. I have no respect for the Catholic church, or the office of the Pope and can't fathom why anyone would; after everything that has been revealed of the cover ups and willful abuse of the children.

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         Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         And, now you have me curious- How many people do you think were killed? There's no written record of how many people were actually on the planet at the time. So comparing that time with Hitler or Stalin or anything else is absurd.

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            nonto21posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Comparing God with reality is equally ludacris.

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               Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Yes it is, so why are you doing it?

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                  nonto21posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm asking a simple question;
                  
                  How is the theological, egomaniacal God any different from hitler?
                  
                  Worship me or die?
                  
                  Who would worship hitler?
                  
                  That's the idea anyway.

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                     pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     A few differences spring to mind. Hitler was a man and there seems to be physical evidence that he existed. God exists for some even though there is no physical evidence. For many others God does not exist because of this lack of evidence.
                     
                     If you believe God does not exist God cannot be an egomaniac.
                     If one believes God does exist egomaniac then would be subject to how one perceives God to exist.
                     
                     Even though Hitler existed he alone did not kill the many millions.
                     Same can be said about God...Depends....

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                     imkoinoniaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     First, God is not ego-maniacal.  He is a loving God who created you and wants a relationship with you.  He gives you the choice of whether you want a relationship with him through his Son Jesus Christ.  He does not force you to choose Him.  However, if you do not choose Him then you will not receive the gift of everlasting life with him after you complete your time here on earth.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        In other words when most people do not choose JC as their ultimate love. They will either burn or worst die in Hell forever
                        
                        Isn't free will in both those choice coming from an all loving God?

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                           imkoinoniaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm saying they choose not to spend their time with God.  I do not claim to know or understand where that is or what that will be like.  However, if the place doesn't have God's influence, then I don't believe it will be a place I would enjoy.  Whether there will be a lake of fire or be hot as hell as described is really a mystery.  We don't know if what is described in Revelations is a metaphor for the emptiness felt by its occupants who live without God or if the descriptions are real.  I know I will never find that out, and I pray you and those who read this never find out, either.

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                              nonto21posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              First of all, there are four versions of hell.
                              
                              1) The Hebrew version.
                              
                              2) The greek version.
                              
                              3) The Roman version.
                              
                              4) And the nation we actually got the name "hell" from; Norway.
                              
                              I believe Paul of Tarsus was an uneducated, babbling moron, just like his barbaric anscestors. He had his own idea of what hell was and he put it on, as the greatest lie ever told.
                              
                              That's right. I said it. Paul and every church leader, reaching into modern times, have propagated lies. The fact that most people tend to believe what they read, has severely damaged routes of human interaction.

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                                 Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Yes, Hell is the greatest BS story ever told and look how well it worked in fearing Members into joining their one and only Religious group.

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                                    nonto21posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    As if that's not enough, I'm automatically judged as bad for believing different. Christians really know how to share the love.

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                                    pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    Fear of the unknown is common but illogical.

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                                       Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       Yes! make love, not fear
                                       
                                       after that
                                       
                                       Make love, not debt

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                                          pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                          Haha yep

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      ptosisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That's a silly comparison - atheists don't worship - An atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church

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      Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Emile R
      How about Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot? I think, combined, they killed more people than God.
      
      More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason.  Consider 85- 90% believe in God throughout 5000 years course of human history of the world in which approx 80 billion or more people who ever lived and died while believing or thinking that God existed. You would fight too if you were brainwashed into an one over ego group of your Religion, which was your only society out lite you knew in your entire life.

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         Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I think you are overstating. You have to look at the underlying causes of war to determine if most are fighting for religion. Just because people profess a faith doesn't mean that it is that faith that made them pick up arms. And, the OP isn't speaking of religious folk. He's talking about God.
         
         I'm still unsure of the number of deaths God may be responsible for. The flood (if you assume it is true) may have been as few as several hundred. The rest? Were any numbers given? None that I'm aware of. There are ancient stories of secular wars so bloody that fires in raised hearths were extinguished by the rivers of blood flowing. That's a whole lot of dead bodies. So, death for death, it appears as if man was holding his own throughout history. Until now. The scales appear to be tipped now heavily to our disadvantage if we are seeking a moral high ground.
         
         I still think think the big three mentioned killed more than religious folk. Give it a few years, and a few more nukes, and those figures might change.

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            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Atheist bark is much worst than their bite. The Atheist history of great men is lame along with their war record in the pass 5000 years,
            
            The 3% atheist could not compared to 85% religious people war record today or the pass. If an Atheist war record was worst than religious groups, it would make an atheist person per ca-pita 28 times more dangerous than religious person.

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               Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Well, I suppose if you put it that way, atheists are very dangerous. But, non religious war, to me, is no different from a religious one; so I have no problem with atheism.
               
               Japanese kamikaze pilots certainly proved that it doesn't take a god to commit suicide to further the influence of their war machine. The Spartans made a name for themselves dying for the glory of it all. Samurai warriors committed sepuku (? Spelling?) for reasons of honor that, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't involve a deity.
               
               I see no reason to blame religious people for doing what appears to come naturally to humanity as a whole. It almost feels hypocritical.

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Emile, you really have to stop being so damned sensible.    It gunks up the gears of the religious arguments.

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                     Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I'm no different from anyone else. The futility of it all does tend to make me want to lash out. Which I have done.
                     
                     But, sooner or later we'll have to accept what we are; and work together to change it.

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                        Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        I think we've all done our share of lashing out - emotion runs high when we discuss things that are so important to many of us.  Interestingly enough, once we start to agree on things, we're much more able to see each other as fellow human beings rather than simply sparring partners.  And, once we realize that ultimately, we're all in the same boat as citizens of a universe that contains more than we can ever hope to know, we sort of even becomes friends.
                        
                        

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 12 years ago

   I'm really tired of all these "Hitler" threads.....

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   stclairjackposted 12 years ago

   at least if we're going to post a hitler thread,... make it interesting,... state as fact that he sired an illigitimate love child and she lives in detroit under an assumed name,... raisning tghe new master race of master rappers,... white master rappers,... that all have an extra toe on thier right foot,... so that the world might know them by the mark,.. of thier feet.
   
   come on,... get creative people.

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