Girl 17, Shot Dead by Police
According to the information provided,
“The video captures most of the incident at a considerable distance and contains no audio but does raise questions about whether police had an opportunity to defuse the situation prior to the shooting.”
I think I will wait for some real facts before speculating.
America was founded on the murder of innocents,slavery, and thievery. It is no surprise that police kill with impunity. This is their heritage. The only difference between now and 50 years ago is that more incidents of brutality are being reported today. Unfortunately, within a capitalist, materialistic society, this evil will continue to be ever present. A cancer cannot be eradicated or appeased by feeding it. The solution for many Americans will be to increase their degree of denial: sing their patriotic songs a little louder, drink more beer, and watch more football games.
Good evening and thank you for another sanctimonious comment, Mr. Wrenchbiscuit.
Have you murdered anyone lately? How many innocent people have you transported from their homes to a life in slavery? According to the reasoning displayed in your comments, we should expect you to be as bloodthirsty and cruel as were your own ancestors. After all, that is your heritage.
Before the influx of “evil” Europeans, raiding parties to steal horses and women from other tribes were as common as full-scale wars. Are you inclined to be a rapist and a horse thief, wB? I do not think so. Strange, is it not, how your thinking differs from mine.
I can apply the same irrational arguments you use to some of history’s other atrocities. This would make them your atrocities through your lineage.
In August 1873, more than a thousand Sioux ambushed 350 Pawnee men, women and children on their summer buffalo hunt in Nebraska. Acting Assistant Surgeon David Franklin Powell with B Company, 3rd Cavalry, wrote about the savagery and brutality he observed after the Battle of Massacre Canyon:
“It was a horrible sight. Dead braves with bows still tightly grasped in dead and
stiffened fingers; sucking infants pinned to their mothers' breasts with arrows; bowels protruding from openings made by fiendish knives; heads scalped with red blood glazed upon them - a stinking mass, many already fly-blown and scorched with heat.” {1}
I was amazed to read in your comment: “America was founded on the murder of innocents, slavery, and thievery.” This recurring indictment from you never includes yourself, I see. However, the frequent accusation about slavery is particularly interesting. Not only is the murder of innocents a predominant part of your own heritage, but so is the establishment and the spread of slavery.
“The Dutch were the first,” Piero Scaruffi writes, “to import black slaves into North America.” {2} Dutch involvement with the Atlantic slave trade spans three centuries. By the end of the 17th Century, the Dutch had controlling interest in all of the slaves imported into the Spanish colonies. The extent of Dutch participation in the Atlantic slave trade is estimated to include some 550,000-600,000 Africans. Furthermore, The Netherlands was one of the last European countries to abolish slavery. That happen in 1863, the same year President Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. {3}
Historians have said many things that might be twisted and made to apply today to Americans of Dutch heritage:
“Although slavery was illegal inside the Netherlands it flourished in the Dutch Empire, and helped support the economy.” {4}
“By 1650 the Dutch had the pre-eminent slave trade in Europe.”{5}
I found the premise that police kill with impunity due to their heritage to be more than absurd. It is delusional. I found your suggestion that the alleged atrocities following the arrival of Columbus are carried forward and manifested in today’s society by “40,000 killed each year in auto accident's” to also be an insult, not to my intelligence, but to yours. {6}
If Americans are supposed to assume guilt for the travesties committed many generations ago then, by your faulty logic that would include you as well. Welcome to the fantasy world found only in your own mind.
{1} http://www.nebraskahistory.org/publish/ … e_Cnyn.pdf
{2} http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/slavetra.html
{3} http://www.ascleiden.nl/content/webdoss … tion#dutch
{4} Johannes Postma, The Dutch in the Atlantic Slave Trade, 1600-1815 (2008)
{5}
P. C. Emmer, Chris Emery, "The Dutch Slave Trade, 1500-1850" (2006) p. 3
{6} http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2657596Hi, Wilderness. Always a pleasure to chat with you.
You are correct. Horses, at least the species brought here by Columbus’ second voyage in 1493 and those introduced later in Mexico by the Conquistadors around 1519, were not indigenous to the Western Hemisphere.
Stealing horses did not become a prominent part of Mr. Wrenchbiscuit’s heritage until much later. {1}
{1} http://www.indians.org/articles/horse-breeding.html
As usual, you have missed the point entirely. Let me slow it down a bit: Of course, every illegal European immigrant who has come to this continent since 1492 has not been a thief,rapist,or a murderer. I challenge you to show me where I have made such assertions. I have no control over how you might interpret my comments, as that depends solely on your own education and understanding, or lack thereof.
My statement simply suggests that the apple has not fallen far from the tree, and after all, they do fall from trees, and not out of the clear blue sky. Just as it has always been since the founding of America, the common man is not quick to act against tyranny,injustice, and inhumanity. The historical record shows that it took nearly 500 years to end the institution of slavery on this continent. And what were all of the good God-fearing European immigrants doing in the meantime? The answer is painfully obvious:
They were looking out for "number one" and conveniently looking the other way; pretending not to see the hopeless stare of the African slave stripped naked upon the auction block, or the exodus of the Five Civilized Tribes as they were forcibly removed from 20 million acres of prime real estate below the Mason-Dixon line. Ironically in the latter case, once the land had been "legally" stolen through the "Indian Removal Act of 1830", churches sprang up all across the South. We can easily understand that
the good Americans were not praying to Jesus that the land and riches they now enjoyed would soon be returned to the previous caretakers. But these are only a few examples.
We see the same apathy today when we consider police brutality, the excessive use of lethal force, and an ever expanding police state. In certain cases like Ferguson Missouri there has been a public outcry against police brutality, but overall the average citizen does nothing. As long as the brutality does not appear to directly impact their own well being they are content to look the other way. But under U.S. law, an individual does not have to actively participate in a crime in order to be held responsible as an accomplice, or the architect of a particular crime or diabolical act. In many cases, those who help to facilitate and perpetuate criminal acts are considered just as culpable, and sometimes moreso than the actual perpetrators. It has been said that "Silence is Golden", but in the year 2015 I have the distinction of stating: "Silence is Deadly".
Now, to address the matter of my heritage and my own culpability. An individuals heritage, or ethnicity, may be useful when seeking to expedite an argument, or to make a point, but otherwise, if taken too seriously it only amounts to a trivial pursuit. The Pawnee, or the Sioux, or the Haudenosaunee have nothing to do with the present state of affairs in the United States. Atrocities and injustices committed by a particular tribe or nation against another prior to the European Invasion has no bearing on this argument; no more than the issue of Sharia Law! If the Pawnee had been running the U.S. government for the last 200+ years my vitriol would be aimed in their direction, but as even you are aware, this is not the case. Once again, you have gone into left field, created a fiction, and now attempt to name me as the author! The "peanut gallery" may be distracted by such pedestrian machinations, but I assure you that I have come to expect nothing less. How can one defend the indefensible? What can an apologist for evil do but ... well, apologize?
Mr. Qulligrapher, had America accepted the truth 25,50,100,or even 500 years ago, innocent people would not presently be dying at the hands of rogue police throughout the United States. My words and ideas have been clearly stated in various essays and Forum posts on this site, as well as others. I do not accept evil, regardless of how popular or profitable that evil may be. It is you who live in a fantasy world. I have long ago stepped away from the lie, and have lost cadence with the goat herd, and so I do not carry the evil and the apathy of the past into the future. I no longer wear the shoe because the shoe no longer fits. Concerning this particular matter, I am above reproach, and I do not share responsibility for these crimes against humanity that I have so loudly, and so steadfastly protested against.
My previous statement is as follows: "In certain cases like Ferguson Missouri there has been a public outcry against police brutality ...". Now you have attempted to "spin" my comment into this: " I particularly like that you hold up the riots and destruction in Ferguson as a plus action against reasonable and necessary police action." Clearly, anyone can see that my comment doesn't glorify or justify any violent act, or riotous behavior.
Contrary to what you would have us believe, everyone who spoke out and protested against police brutality in Ferguson was not committing, promoting, or sanctioning violent acts against an obviously hostile, and violent police force.
As usual, you have no reasonable argument so you create a fiction and then attack me based on what amounts to a gross distortion of the truth: what some would interpret as a lie.
Words and ideas may be clearly stated and still be illogical, Mr. Wrenchbiscuit. Your words and ideas are very provocative and I suspect that you designed them to be so. They are sterling examples of how to manipulate indisputable historical facts to justify an irrational leap to an illogical conclusion.
The extraordinary claims found among your lengthy remarks include:
“It is no surprise that police kill with impunity. This is their heritage.”{1}
“the evil [that followed Columbus’ arrival] was carried forward and manifested in ways that also affected…40,000 killed each year in auto accident's,”{2}
“You are knowingly, or unwittingly carrying an old misery into the future.” {3}
“Colonial barbarism also plays a significant role in current events.” {4}
“But the list of evil I have provided here is irrefutable empirical evidence that one thing does lead to another;” {5}
As everyone but you can see, these claims contain no science, no logical framework, and certainly no authority. Each is the result of one person’s flawed reasoning. Not one includes a tangible, causal link that logically proves how one of these events was the direct result of another.
Your opinion is NOT proof that current events and the myriad of attitudes found in modern society are the direct and logical result of colonial barbarism (about which we all agree). You are free to cling to this belief even thought you can not prove it. Moreover, your posts do not survive scrutiny in the real world. Not one of your claims cites an established psychologist, historian, academic or other professional authority that agrees with you. I think it is fair to expect these citations would have been included in your posts if you had any. It is your responsibility to corroborate your claims, otherwise, a reasonable observer has no other choice but to conclude they are only your perceptions and yours alone. You can not shift responsibility for providing a recognized authority off to others. It is your responsibility and I will be pleased to discover you are up to the task.
{1} http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2702950
{2} http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2657596
{3} http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2703965
{4} http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2703763
{5} http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2657596
Proof? Citations? Scientific Evidence? Causal Links? The absurdity of your comments is staggering! It begs the question: Are you really living on the "Big Rock Candy Mountain", with the buzzin' of the bees in the cigarette trees and the soda water fountain where the lemonade springs and the bluebird sings? Where do I begin? The proof is all around us here in the modern world. Furthermore, the historical record has well documented the last 500 years on this continent. The journal of Columbus is a good place to start. The Christian Bible is another good source of information:
Matthew 7:17 :So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.
Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.
Luke 17:2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.
These three biblical verses alone provide that every social ill of today can be directly linked to America's past, beginning in 1492.
We can also look to the American family to further substantiate my claims. The American family is a microcosm of the greater society, and it teaches a valuable lesson:
The good parent will discipline their children; they will teach and guide them; they will attempt to "bend the sapling while it is young"; they will warn against drug abuse, and caution against hanging out with unsavory characters. Why? Because the adult knows that even the most intelligent and loving child can be led astray and easily brought to ruin if sent out into the world unprepared. But what can we say of the irresponsible parent who has allowed their children to grow up like wild weeds with no good purpose or direction? What can we know about the parent who encourages their children to commit vile, selfish, criminal acts that enrich the parent through material gain , but to the detriment of the child?
Of course, we can know that the parent possesses an evil nature, but we can also understand that the actions of the child are directly linked to years of behavioral conditioning by the parent. This is not to say that a child is a mere robot whose behavior is completely controlled by the parent, but with few exceptions, we can understand that as a rule children who lack proper parenting are more likely to fall by the wayside, or at the very least they lack the necessary means to reach their full potential.
In a greater sense, the ruler, or the government of a nation serves as a "parent" to the masses. So we must ask ourselves: What has America taught her children? Has she taught them to be thoughtful and kind? Has she taught them to be disappointed at the end of the day if they have helped themselves but no one less fortunate? Has America taught her children that love is greater than a dollar bill? Does the American beat his chest and say," Our forefathers have defiled the image of God! We have participated in Genocide and Slavery, and now we must make a payment, because payment is long overdue. We must return , as best we can, what has been stolen, and we must make generous amends to the descendents of those who felt the sting of the lash; those who for a lifetime were forced to live with the shame and humility of giving pleasure to the rapist and the pedophile! Has America taught her children to say: "I have no time to go to a football game, the shopping mall, or the disco, because there is much work yet to be done."? Of course, these are rhetorical questions, and the answer to all of the above is a resounding "No!"
America has led her children down the path of materialism. Here in America, selfishness and greed are considered to be virtues, and it is no surprise that many Christian churches have become even more perverted, preaching a gospel of prosperity, when Jesus himself cautioned against the laying up of riches on these shifting sands, where all is corrupted in the end. It is no wonder that citizens are being murdered with impunity by rogue cops, and it is not surprising that government intrusion into the lives of American citizens is steadily on the increase. Anyone who cannot see the direct link between this current state of affairs and an old misery simply does not have eyes to see. Evil can only beget evil, which of course, is elementary. America was founded upon evil and so continues on that path.
You have predictably questioned my authority and asked for proof of my assertions from "recognized" authorities. Of course, such proofs abound throughout the world wide web, in the public libraries, and and at universities across the United States. It is quite arrogant of you to expect that I would be your "Step and Fetch It" and put everything in a nice neat little bundle for your perusal. Your vociferous and derogatory comments, designed to undermine my character have simply confirmed your subordinate status. I have nothing to "prove" to you whatsoever. I am an authority. My words when applied to the real world, that which is seen and unseen, speak of my credentials. The fact that you expect that I must be "recognized" by a simian institution in order to be "legitimate" is laughable. A monkey reads a book, memorizes key elements, and then repeats what he has learned, in word or deed. What kind of a creature seeks the approval of a monkey?
Osiyo!
I understand that it is fashionable to use the term "rant" to describe any post that is more than 20 words. I guess for those who might struggle with anything over 500 words, my well written and thought provoking comments may be intimidating. However, I feel that with a little practice many of you could greatly improve your writing skills. I am sure that there are many Hubpages "intellectuals" who would consider the Gettysburg Address,Martin Luther King's " I Have A Dream" speech and "The Sermon On The Mount" to also be rants. It is no wonder that all three of these men were killed by illiterates. But trust and believe my friend, I shall live on!
I thank you, Mr. Wrenchbiscuit, for your comments. I am disappointed to read that you are unwilling (I suspect unable) to provide a single recognized authority that corroborates your repeated assertions. Consequently, you have failed to establish a real and tangible connection between members and attitudes in today’s society and those of immigrants arriving in 1492. One day, perhaps, you may come to understand that the lack of rational proofs is what makes your conclusions logically invalid. Logically invalid does not mean they are unbelievable because, obviously, you believe them. They are logically invalid because you have not proven they are true. Posts filled with heaps of meaningless rhetoric will never bury this one simple fact.
Let us review again the claims you made as a self-proclaimed authority that you never justified with any rational data or logical proofs:
"It is no surprise that police kill with impunity. This is their heritage."{1}
"the evil [that followed Columbus' arrival] was carried forward and manifested in ways that also affected…40,000 killed each year in auto accident's,"{2}
"You are knowingly, or unwittingly carrying an old misery into the future." {3}
"Colonial barbarism also plays a significant role in current events." {4}
"But the list of evil I have provided here is irrefutable empirical evidence that one thing does lead to another;" {5}
We have all read that you believe these claims are factual. Now we are waiting for you to produce some proof they are true.
As we have all seen, when asked to justify these statements with some verifiable collaboration, you ramped up your rhetoric and denied your responsibility to supply any logical explanations.
"I have nothing to "prove" to you whatsoever. I am an authority. My words when applied to the real world, that which is seen and unseen, speak of my credentials.” Okay. Now can we see some proof?
As the poster making the claims, it is your responsibility. However, shirking responsibility has become a trademark especially when others point out how your extreme perspectives are logically flawed.
For example, “You have predictably questioned my authority and asked for proof of my assertions from "recognized" authorities. Of course, such proofs abound throughout the world wide web, in the public libraries, and at universities across the United States.” Okay. Maybe now you will provide some proof?
Again, whose responsibility is it to support and prove your conclusions? This is your responsibility as the claimant. Refusing to meet this responsibility is a good reason not to take your posts seriously. Without referencing one authority, a single academic, scientist or qualified professional, who endorses your conclusions, your bluster becomes intellectually bankrupt.
Instead, you declare yourself an authority, you ignore all conventions calling for proofs or collaboration and, in the end, you pretend to validate your conclusions with nothing but your personal proclamation. When the flaws in your conclusions are aired, you respond with personal attacks instead of with citations and references.
“Your vociferous and derogatory comments, designed to undermine my character have simply confirmed your subordinate status.”
My subordinate status exists only in your mind. I do not have a comparative status to you nor do I have a need or a desire to undermine anyone’s character. I am just a reader in a public forum trying to learn why you have been abusively attacking 300 million of your fellow-Americans over the last four months with lies like this:
“The historical record shows that it took nearly 500 years to end the institution of slavery on this continent. And what were all of the good God-fearing European immigrants doing in the meantime? The answer is painfully obvious: They were looking out for "number one" and conveniently looking the other way; pretending not to see the hopeless stare of the African slave stripped naked upon the auction block, or the exodus of the Five Civilized Tribes as they were forcibly removed from 20 million acres of prime real estate below the Mason-Dixon line.” {6} [Bold emphasis added.]
How convenient of you not to acknowledge the Underground Railroad, the Abolitionist Movement, the Emancipation Proclamation, the Quaker Anti-slavery Movement in Pennsylvania and the Delaware Valley, Chapters of the Committee of Vigilance from coast to coast, or the Supreme Court’s ruling in Worchester v. Georgia, 1832. {7}
In fact, it must be convenient amnesia since this Supreme Court decision was brought to your attention in this very forum last September. {8}
Again, Mr. wrenchBiscuit, I thank you for your contributions in this thread. Unfortunately, the only thing you proved is that you are not an authority on this topic.
{1} http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2702950
{2} http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2657596
{3} http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2703965
{4} http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2703763
{5} http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2657596
{6} http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2703125
{7} http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jac … an_removal
{8} http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2630361
Thank you for your comment.
It is not so important that we agree. What really matters is that we are allowed to disagree.
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